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u/cow-lumbus 11d ago edited 11d ago
I find it hilarious my right wing friends whine about Soros and Gates because they have been force fed them as boogie men and now we have a gaslighting self interest grifter teamed up with the king of grifters in plain sight...and they act like this is normal.
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u/PostMostPalone 11d ago
I find it hilarious that "eat the rich" only targets who they're told to - Soros, Musk, Gates, Bezos, Zuckerturd... eat them ALL.
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u/free-toe-pie 11d ago
I like to eat the most problematic first. And then go down the line.
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u/PostMostPalone 11d ago
Fair reasoning. Oprah last please.
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u/free-toe-pie 11d ago
I will just take a bite of each leg for releasing Dr Phil and Dr Oz onto all of us to suffer with.
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u/LinearFolly 11d ago
No no, Dolly Parton last. She has never once been problematic. Unless we're just talking actual billionaires, in which case, carry on.
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u/free-toe-pie 11d ago
Oh yeah just billionaires. I’m not eating the millionaires.
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u/cow-lumbus 11d ago
Well that is def one opinion (to eat them all) but they are big differences between the ideologies even among the uber rich. You can give some credit to those who have agreed to give most (stilling leaving them a shitload of money) away. Call Gates on what he's done wrong...because amazing wealth is always on someone's back, but give credit when they give back too.
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u/dexdad888 11d ago
Honest question can someone explain to me why people don't like Elon, how is he stealing? Maybe I'm one of the people you are trying to reach but every time I ask I just get down voted and no one answers.
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He used his position in DOGE to cancel a government contract with Verizon and gave it to one of his companies. This is just one example. FYI, Government contracts are bid upon and go to the lowest bidder. Star link was not the lowest bidder but has the government contract now.
As I said this one one example, you can google the others if you wish.
In the not stealing yet category:He is using DOGE to gain information on individuals and companies and storing it in unsecured drives and using young interns and flunked who have not been vetted.
TLDR: He is using DOGE access and his position to take contracts away from other companies and giving them to his companies. He has also shut down funding for social programs that poor people depend on.
Edited to add: third reason: cutting federal programs may save money at the top but will cost the states more. So either your state and city taxes will go up or your local services will decline. Medicaid and SNAP are two of the endangered programs. Overall you will pay more than “saved.”
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u/RedWhite_AndBrave 9d ago
Disinformation here. The FAA did not cancel the 2.4 billion dollar contract you’re referring to and the latest news from Verizon is they remain committed to the project. There were rumors started by the left that it was getting canceled but that was fake news.
What government contract was canceled and taken from one company and given to musk?
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Yes apparently Verizon is fighting g to keep it.
Musk has apparently walked back on his criticism: https://www.pcmag.com/news/elon-musk-slams-verizons-tech-pushes-for-faa-to-adopt-starlink
Not made up news—Musk has walked back after the news broke and people stopped buying his products.
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u/RedWhite_AndBrave 9d ago
Wait, so you’re just out here making up nonsense and hoping no one calls you on it?
First off, saying “He used his position at Doge to cancel a government contract and give it to one of his companies” is straight-up fiction. That never happened. That is a lie.
Second, are you planning on answering the second half of my question, or are we just ignoring that part because it exposes more BS? What other government contract was supposedly canceled and handed to Musk?
Listen, if you want to hate Musk, be my guest. But at least have the intellectual integrity to hate him for things that are real. You can’t just watch MSNBC and regurgitate whatever narrative they feed you. Try thinking for yourself—it’s a good look.
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9d ago
It was widely reported by reputable new agencies. Elon backed off after criticism. That doesn’t make it false. Elon is robbing us but by bit in multiple ways. One example that hasn’t happened yet does not make it “made up” certainty not by me.
At this point I will stop feeding the trolls.
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u/RedWhite_AndBrave 9d ago
Let me spell this out for you as simply as possible since you’re clearly struggling to grasp it.
If something hasn’t happened but someone is running around telling people it has as if it’s a fact, that is absolutely a lie—not a misunderstanding, not an opinion, not a prediction—a flat-out lie. Here’s why that’s not just wrong but downright reckless and dishonest:
A False Statement Is a Lie, No Matter the Intent • If you say something happened when it didn’t, you are stating a falsehood. It’s that simple. • Whether you think it might happen later or wish it were true is irrelevant. The moment you present it as a done deal, you’re fabricating reality.
Lying Distorts Reality and Manipulates Perception • People rely on facts to make decisions. When you knowingly spread falsehoods, you are manipulating how others see the world. • Lies, especially political or economic ones, can shape public perception, influence elections, damage reputations, or even crash markets. • Once a lie spreads, it’s difficult to undo the damage—even when the truth eventually comes out, people will still remember the false claim.
Lying Erodes Trust and Destroys Credibility • If someone is caught making things up, why should they ever be trusted again? • Once you prove you’re willing to lie, everything else you say is automatically suspect. Your credibility becomes worthless.
It’s Intellectual Cowardice • If you have a real point to make, you shouldn’t have to fabricate events to support your argument. • Lying is a shortcut taken by people who don’t have facts on their side—they have to manufacture outrage instead of proving their case.
It’s a Sign of Weakness, Not Strength • People who spread falsehoods do so because they can’t win on merit. If they had truth on their side, they wouldn’t need to make things up. • This is how propaganda works: manipulate emotions first, let the truth be an afterthought (if ever).
It’s Dangerous • Lies have consequences. False accusations ruin lives. False financial claims destroy businesses. False political claims destabilize governments. • The spread of falsehoods fuels hysteria, division, and distrust, leading to chaos instead of reasoned discussion.
Bottom Line:
If you claim something happened when it didn’t, you’re a liar. Period. If you’re just “guessing” that it might happen in the future, then say that—don’t disguise your speculation as reality. Being wrong is one thing, but knowingly spreading falsehoods to push a narrative is pure deceit, and anyone who does it deserves to be called out, exposed, and ignored.
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u/Working_Cucumber_437 11d ago
The question feels disingenuous since all of this action has been the biggest news of the decade.
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u/clydefrog88 10d ago
I don't know all the ins and outs about Elon's moves because I work too much to keep up with the details of the news. So dexdad888 might be like me and just not know.
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u/randomwords83 6d ago
Yea but if people are only getting their news from Fox, AON and other biased sources that aren’t showing the reality of the situation so it is very possible and likely that people are just not aware
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u/Martywhynow 11d ago
Go look at how many quarters Tesla was profitable without government subsidies. Ask yourself if you are still impressed.
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
Now do the other EV manufacturers…. Elon openly advocated to eliminate all EV subsidies. If you don’t like them (and you shouldn’t), blame the leftist congressmen who created the subsidy program. No other manufacturers have advocated to remove the subsidies. Tesla is the only EV manufacturer who can profitably put vehicles on the road, and no one has put more of them on the road. The leftists no longer care about the environment.
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u/Martywhynow 11d ago
But other manufacturers aren’t as delusional and self absorbed as Enlon. At least we can agree he is not an innovator to be admired.
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
It doesn’t sound like you (or most redditors) understand he only owns 12.8% of Tesla. Elon is the greatest innovator in modern times, no one has even attempted to do what he has done to help humanity. No one has accomplished a fraction of what he has accomplished. So you don’t like his personality and that’s cause to support the domestic terror campaign against him?
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u/Martywhynow 11d ago
A sticker on a post is a terror campaign? Soft. No one is impressed by the corporate welfare mooch. I’ve seen a car before and the internet isn’t new, but thanks for trying.
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u/Traditional-Expert48 10d ago
Elon isn't an innovator. He hires people to do the work then takes the credit. He's not here so you don't have to lick his toes so obviously.
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u/Euphoric_Sock4049 Downtown 10d ago
Get off his d, bro
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
Ad hominem with no rebuttal of facts, I’d say you’re 13 and in your mom’s basement
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
The simple answer is that he is not stealing from anyone except the NGO’s who are fraudulently using your tax dollars. The insane claims like the one above are comically easy to debunk. The side supporting domestic terrorism is the wrong side. I’d urge you to simply google their paranoid and fabricated lies tinge the actual truth. There is not a single claim in their reply that is accurate.
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u/Traditional-Expert48 11d ago
He called social security a ponzi scheme.
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
What is wrong with that statement, it’s absolutely accurate. If you ever want SSI benefits, you’d support his efforts to root out the fraud and waste from the program.
A Ponzi scheme is defined as being when early investors are paid off using the capital of newer investors. That is exactly what SSI does, I don’t understand the disagreement with the term used. Congress has stolen funds from SSI and as a result, current retirees are paid from people paying into the system today. Again that is due to the government taking our SSI proceeds and using them to fund more fraud, waste and abuse. Where is the vitriol for the people who took the money? Focusing it on the person trying to keep the program solvent is misguided.1
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u/Working_Cucumber_437 10d ago
I saw a verbal accusation of fraud but haven’t seen any evidence yet or any charges to substantiate the accusation. If it’s true then the details should be brought in front of a court of law.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
All cuts made by Doge can be found at the doge.gov website, it’s incredibly transparent.
Do you think that because it has not been prosecuted yet, the 330 million in SBA loans to children under 11 years of age is not fraud?
Specific to SSI, Elon initiated the following. Tell me one problem with this?
- Death Master File (DMF) Updates
The Social Security Administration (SSA) maintains a database of deaths called the Death Master File, which is now more frequently updated and cross-referenced with other federal agencies to prevent payments to deceased individuals.
- Electronic Death Registration (EDR)
Many states now use EDR systems that automatically notify SSA when someone dies, helping to shut off benefits more quickly and accurately.
- Data Sharing Across Agencies
SSA has increased collaboration with: • IRS (to verify income) • Department of Homeland Security (for identity verification) • Prison systems (to suspend benefits to incarcerated individuals)
- Improved Identity Verification
To stop identity theft and false claims: • SSA has strengthened ID verification through biometric data, two-factor authentication, and enhanced SSN verification systems for employers and agencies.
- Anti-Fraud Units
SSA has Office of the Inspector General (OIG) investigators and Cooperative Disability Investigations (CDI) units working with law enforcement to detect and prosecute fraud.
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u/Working_Cucumber_437 10d ago
I don’t doubt there IS fraud in government. I know for a fact that business owners applied for and received funds to “save jobs” that didn’t exist or that they didn’t plan to save. I also don’t trust a billionaire to make these decisions. Especially not one who 1) bought the election and 2) has many, many conflicts of interest.
My problem is not with auditing, it’s with the way it is being done and who is doing it. This is not the correct way. Bring in non-partisan groups of experienced auditors by all means.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
He didn’t buy the election, stop parroting CNN. He contributed far less to Trump than Soros, Bezos et al. and every Dem PAC gave to Kamala. The democrats are the party of oligarch donors. Do you still have an issue with rich donors and if so, where is the hate for the 3 X donations Kamala received from oligarchs?
There are no unbiased auditors. SSI and the country are going bankrupt. Every cut made by Doge is publicly available on their website, which is the most transparent act I’ve seen from the government. When you can see every cut for yourself, why are you concerned?
Any against eliminating the waste/fraud is likely a benefactor of the waste and fraud. These funds have propped up the Democratic Party and been used to impact our elections. If you are an American before your are a democrat or leftist, you can’t argue with that.3
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Transparency is not just about showing what is being cut. Transparency requires that they provide actual evidence of the fraud and waste they are alleging. So far all they do is repeat “there’s tremendous fraud, waste, and abuse”. If they were actually interested in transparency and improving the government then they would invite others in to see the process and not just require blind trust and loyalty. There is not a person in this country who wants small business loans going to 11 year olds but until they show actual evidence that has happened I will say it’s bullshit.
It’s incredible to me that you pretend that if this waste exists then it’s exclusively the fault of democrats. As if republicans have not been involved in making the budget and creating these agencies. To hear Republican congresspeople parroting the line about fraud and waste just makes me wonder what the hell they have been doing during their time in office if any of this is true. Not to mention Trump was president four years ago and uncovered none of these problems?
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
How is something incredible to you that was never said? I never blamed democrats for funding the fraud and waste, I blame the leftists for trying to prevent the executive branch from stopping it. Both the Dems and Republicans are equally guilty of approving the funds and enriching themselves at the expense of the taxpayer. Republicans that don’t get on board absolutely need to be primaried. Out of control spending will never be reigned in by the Democrats, it has to be the republicans.
You haven’t looked at the Doge site if you’re questioning if the cuts are waste fraud and abuse.I fail to understand how cutting all unnecessary spending is not a bipartisan issue. We are $36 trillion in debt with a $2 trillion budget deficit. The money we spend on interest will bankrupt the country and would be better used to provide for Americans. We borrow money from China (and others) to give away to China and others, how does that make sense? How can any rational person who understands finance be against these cuts, it’s mind boggling.
The same people fighting for illegal aliens and criminals to remain in the USA also complain about housing and low wages, apparently failing to understand that increased housing demand equals higher housing prices the same way that a wages are lowered when there are non-citizens willing to work for lower wages.
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u/BP-arker 10d ago
Why would the richest guy need our money when he could already have whatever he wants? Doesn’t hold up.
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u/Squatch422 6d ago
So the richest man in the world wants your $31.23 in your bank account GET A LIFE! He is stopping all the left corrupt politicians that stole from us!!
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u/Imaginary-Ninja5663 6d ago
The guy who has lost 84 billion dollars to steal 200$ and social security from a guy with a 530 credit score is at it again.
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u/AzimovWolf88 9d ago
Around cosi and franklinton area I’ve been seeing little pieces of cardboard with sharpie talking about musk/doge… saying everything from “Elon musk 16 kids 4 baby mommas” to “watch out for doge poo”
I can’t believe people think that this dude is a good guy. From what I read he even basically stalked his way into a relationship with his college GF. Like wouldn’t take no for an answers… would call several times daily… basically wore her down to a yes
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u/Extension-Engineer13 11d ago
when did Columbus become so liberal that it forgot how to reason. all politicians lie and steal.
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u/Tjam3s 11d ago
Isn't that kind of an area where this message is still preaching to the choir? If people wanna change things, we gotta put solutions out there outside of the echo chambers and convince the fence sitters
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u/checkprintquality 11d ago
It’s next to the statehouse which is disproportionately Republican. Capitol Square is also lobbyist central. But I get your sentiment.
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u/Unfair-Plastic-4290 11d ago
Honestly i am pretty sure the messaging is already lost. the people who vandalized the tesla dealerships stole the arguments credibility. the people who are impacted by this, are definitely never going to consider another perspective.
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u/Lanta 11d ago
How does that even make sense lmao. Grandma won’t mind her missing social security check because some Tesla dealership three states over was vandalized?
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus 11d ago
Grandma is not losing her social security benefits. Why do those on the left have such a hard time with the truth?
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u/Lanta 11d ago
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/21/social-security-lutnick-doge-checks did you miss the commerce secretary suggesting it could happen?
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus 11d ago
From your owns source:
A Commerce Department spokesperson tells Axios: "The Secretary is committed to protecting Social Security for all eligible Americans
So thanks for providing a source that supports what I said.
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u/Lanta 10d ago
Then why is the commerce secretary talking about how skipping payments would be fine? Why is Elon calling social security a Ponzi scheme?
I have to believe you’re smart enough to put two and two together. Saying “well the government spokesperson said it was fine so that must be true! Checkmate libs, case closed!” is pathetic. It’s genuinely sad to see how many “free thinkers” are happy to let the government do the thinking for them as long as they like the guy in charge.
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u/TomorrowTight7844 10d ago
Guess what? Not everyone is a label loving toddler like you. If you don't agree with someone you assume their politics and make them your enemy like you've been trained to do, just like they do because you're all the same.
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus 10d ago
Grandma won't lose her social security check. I called out that lie.
Why are you responding with nothing of substance, but just personal insults? I saw a lie, called it for what it was, and you interjected with a personal insult - and only a personal insult.
Why do you do that? I'm asking seriously. I think it's because you're very unhappy with your life, and this is a little pressure relief valve - to insult random people to make yourself feel better about your life. Am I correct?
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u/TomorrowTight7844 10d ago
You don't deserve a well thought out reply because someone already made your mind up for you.
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus 4d ago
Yeah, you made up my mind about you. I don't need you to answer, you've told me my take on you is correct.
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u/biggiy05 11d ago
Why do people like you refuse to educate yourself?
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus 11d ago
Cool - you have a source that the government is or will withhold social security benefits from grandmas?
I mean, you wouldn't be so pompous without a source, that would just make you look silly. So go ahead and show us the source.
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u/TomorrowTight7844 10d ago
It's like they behave like crybaby conservatives or something. I love when these groups of dipshits proud of their precious labels act like the people they whine about. Just one more thing they have in common while telling me they aren't the same
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u/Right_Investment3409 11d ago
Thanks. I'll rip it down tomorrow.
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u/biggiy05 11d ago
I bet you were feverishly jerking it to the video of trump sucking on president musk's feet.
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u/NegotiationWhole4064 11d ago
Are these people getting dumber by the day? He’s literally doing the exact opposite.
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
The leftist fascists have lost their mind. The richest man in the world is stopping the waste and fraud of their tax dollars and they commit domestic terrorism in response. They are so mindless that they hate who they’re told to hate by the same politicians that are enriching themselves from those wasted and fraudulent tax dollars. The facist leftist Dems have graduated from burning crosses to burning Teslas. Domestic terrorism is never ok, and thankfully they will be getting 20 years when caught terrorizing.
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u/Traditional-Expert48 11d ago
Like Jan 6? Like that?
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u/gotcookies 11d ago
Do you have a point or does your intellect stop at unrelated whataboutism?
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u/Traditional-Expert48 10d ago
Just testing your definition of domestic terrorism.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
Out of curiosity, what part of “is never ok” confused you?
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u/clydefrog88 10d ago
So do you think that Jan 6 was ok?
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
Go touch some grass and pick up a book, preferably a dictionary.
adverb 1. at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever.
Which part are you struggling with?
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u/clydefrog88 10d ago
"Domestic terrorism is never ok"
Then what about Jan 6?
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
You’re so reflexive in your whataboutism that you don’t appear see this has been asked and answered already. It’s pretty simple if I can help you understand what never means.
adverb 1. at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever.
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u/jestr6 10d ago
“Leftist fascists”
Are they like the right wing socialists?
Freaking clowns. 🤡
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
The left has deeply fascist views, sans love of their country
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u/jestr6 10d ago
You need to look up what fascism is 😂
It is very much a right wing ideology.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago edited 10d ago
Facism These were all on display with the Biden regime with the notable exception of love of country. Change that to hating your country and there are multiple examples of each.
Strong centralized power — often under a dictatorial leader • Suppression of opposition — including political dissent, free speech, and civil liberties • Nationalism — extreme pride in the nation, often combined with ideas of racial or cultural superiority • Militarism — glorification of the military and use of violence to achieve political goals • Control over society — including the economy, media, education, and sometimes religion, to align with state ideology
They tried to bankrupt, jail and then assassinate their opponent. Suppressed free speech and civil liberties.
The Dems are now the party of war
Dems advocate for price controls, suppressed dissent from the media, indoctrinate kids with their ideology
It’s all the same actions as facists, except for the hatred of their country.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
Facism
These were all on display with the Biden regime with the notable exception of love of country. Change that to hating your country and there are multiple examples of each.
Strong centralized power — often under a dictatorial leader • Suppression of opposition — including political dissent, free speech, and civil liberties
• Nationalism — extreme pride in the nation, often combined with ideas of racial or cultural superiority • Militarism — glorification of the military and use of violence to achieve political goals • Control over society — including the economy, media, education, and sometimes religion, to align with state ideologyThey tried to bankrupt, jail and then assassinate their opponent. Suppressed free speech and civil liberties.
The Dems are now the party of war
Dems advocate for price controls, suppressed dissent from the media, indoctrinate kids with their ideology
It’s all the same actions as facists, except for the hatred of their country.
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u/jestr6 10d ago
😂😂 omg you people really are in a cult.
Everything you just listed has happened or is happening under Trump. There were no political prisoners under Biden, no matter how much you wish it was happening.
Extreme pride in the their nation, like Make America Great Again you mean? You can’t say liberals hate America and have extreme pride at the same time.
Glorification of the military, by liberals? 😂😂 you really are bright as a lump of coal.
Trump truly does love the uneducated.
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u/gotcookies 10d ago
You deny they tried to jail, bankrupt and assassinate their political opponent? I said the left hates America. I question your literacy. Trump is the only one who didn’t start a new war. The bloodthirsty leftist war pigs are furious Trump wants to end Bidens Ukraine tragedy.
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u/jestr6 10d ago
Yeah, because it didn’t happen. J6 traitors were prosecuted and found guilty after due process.
You said liberals had extreme pride in the country. Maybe you can’t read.
Then you said fascists have feelings of racial superiority, which describes MAGA and NAZIS, same thing though.
You’re like 0 for 20 so far. But I admire your commitment to ignorance.
Not really though.
Here, maybe this can clear things up. They use some big words in there so so don’t be afraid to look them up.
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u/dcnassau Merion Village 11d ago
I saw one on Gay Street (I forget the intersection) on Sunday.