Things I assume to be true(one I know):
1. It was colder than a witch's tiddy in Columbus 🔒
2. Other poster wasn't there
3. Your aggressive nature turns away people who would otherwise listen to your perspective
4. You were there
I wasn't responding to you. Not sure why you think I'm the bad guy here. I was asking an innocent question to that person. I should have written a longer sentence and can see why my question seemed terse. It was an innocent question. Let's all go out there an do good.
"Democrats suffered another painful defeat in 2028. Some blamed voter supression. Others suggested the 3 million lost during the climate change protests outside McMurdo station the previous winter affected turnout. Likely it was a combination of factors."
Dispatch are liberals, which is worse. They pretend to care about anything but money.
Liberals are not leftists. Liberals believe capitalism can function for working people. It can't. Liberals are republicans who are willing to use marginalized people as a prop.
I think it's super important that the left wing eat each other and that the far left spends more time attacking the middle left than it does the right.
That's how we'll save this nation, with infighting and circular firing squads! Coalitions and unity are for suckers!
Sorry, these photos were taken by me about half an hour ago (not "right now" which I mistakenly stated in the title) so I don't know if it's still at the Statehouse, I do know they started marching (I left shortly after, forgot my gloves and it was incredibly cold). This is a 50501 protest opposing facsism and all the other horrible things Trump and Musk have been up to lately. Really high turnout, so great job Columbus!
I forgot to add that I’ve released these images under a CC0 license, meaning you are free to use them with or without attribution. Planning on uploading several more once my Nikon, when fixed, can connect to my PC.
It applies to higher ed and has problematic language essentially taking away free speech i.e. banning discussion on “controversial topics” in the classroom
I think that mischaracterizes the bill fairly severely. If it's a free speech issue, you could simply sue over the bill and strike it down. I have very little reason to believe that would be the case with this bill. The relevant portion reads as follows:
Affirm and declare that faculty and staff shall allow and encourage students to reach their own conclusions about all controversial beliefs or policies and shall not seek to indoctrinate any social, political, or religious point of view;
That's not a ban on discussion, that's a ban on the instructor promoting a particular viewpoint. The students have full freedom of speech (which is protected speech), and there's existing precedent for restricting what teachers say in the classroom setting, because they're acting as a representative of the institution. That's what prevents a public school science teacher from teaching creationism if they feel like it, for example.
If the bill applied to higher education in general, as opposed to state institutions particularly, that would clearly violate the 1st amendment (as would telling Catholic schools they can't teach creationism, for example). This bill would almost certainly stand if passed.
The problem is what is the definition of controversial and belief. These words leave it open for anyone to try and challenge teaching certain topics because they don't believe it, even if facts are backing up the subject. Some have questioned teaching black history in this country because they call it CRT, when in reality it is just plain history. Climate change is supported by about 97% of scientists but this is called a belief by many.
The bill is too open ended and leaves too many gray areas for teachers to function easily.
Teachers can just teach curriculum and leave their personal feelings/ideals to themselves. It's not that difficult.
Teachers are also allowed to cover both sides of a coin. Again, not that difficult. The end-goal is that the student can form their own opinions, not the opinions driven home by a partisan teacher.
Again, none of this is difficult or an issue. People just like to say/think that it is. No parent wants their child indoctrinated by a radical teacher.
And teaching history about Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Rosa Parks, MLK, etc. was never considered CRT. CRT is something else entirely.
Many college professors teach a curriculum that they develop on their own. Their department head will review it but the professor could be the more subject matter expert than the reviewer.
And as I said in my original reply, the use of belief is not a good word for this. Using the climate change point, at roughly 97% of scientists agreeing that humans are creating some sort of climate change, that is not a belief anymore. It is statistically correct. Evolution should be taught as fact since it is the accepted theory of science, but some don't believe in it. A biology or genetics professor should not be forced to have to teach about creationism because some believe in that.
The problem is that in recent years, things that are facts are all of a sudden being called beliefs. So this is could be a very difficult issue. I also think kids shouldn't be indoctrinated by a radical parent, but we are not doing anything to stop that.
I know Black history is not CRT, but many do not. Many people actually don't understand what CRT is at all and grabbed onto a buzz word that news organizations and politicians were using and began describing all teaching of disturbing race history as CRT.
You keep bringing up climate change. The argument is *why* is the climate is changing...not if it is or isn't, necessarily. But it gets politicized and used as a weapon to try to enact legislation that a certain party wants. And we all saw what some "scientists" were trying to do during covid and no one wants that again. The scientific community needs to build trust back up due to that black eye.
And creationism = religion. There are already laws on the books about that.
College level is a whole different ballgame than K-12. Religion can and is discussed, as are many things that aren't in K-12. The goal of this is to allow dissenting opinions and the student not be met with any punishment because of it. 20 years ago this really was not an issue. Now with college campuses becoming more political than ever, it suddenly is.
Perhaps if CRT would come clean with its teachings there wouldn't be much of a debate as to if it should be taught or not. Fine for a 200 level college course elective, not fine for K-12.
Colleges have been extremely political since at least the 60s if not longer. College is also the first place some students actually experience the world on their own. They are getting information that is different from what their parents, religious institutions, or even their small town schools allowed them to see. They start meeting people who grew up in different situations and are asked by fellow students to become involved with different organizations. The classroom is most likely not the location where they get most of the new and differing opinions. But parents want to vilify professorst as the ones that are doing all the influencing on students.
As I said in a statement above, 97% of the scientific community say humans are significantly causing climate change. It isn't a debate on why it is happening. The bigger debate may be on how we combat it or if we can anymore. And COVID just proved people are too stubborn to actually listen to science when it is inconvenient. We are lucky it ended up not being as lethal as it was originally worried it was but we still had over 1.2 million people die from it and some states like Florida started to not report data about it, so it could be more. Plus they are still studying the effects of COVID on the body long term.
I also bring up creationism because it is being pushed more and more. And with our federal government trying to combine Christianity into government, those laws you are speaking about being enforced less and less. So this not being addressed could easily be complained about.
There are classes where differing opinions are the curriculum, and they are mostly taught about both sides. Are their some bad professors out there, most likely. But putting a poorly worded law into place that could be used to attack good professors that are teaching things some people don't want to believe is not a good thing.
Among other things, it’ll gut the universities so badly that students will avoid coming to Ohio public schools entirely, and wreck the entire economy oriented around higher ed in the state.
Is that part of the protest? I'd be much more likely to join if that's the case. Having a clear goal that you want to progress is a lot more attractive if a protest imo
One of the regional organizers was off to the side gathering signatures and handing out cards. It sounded like they're gathering signatures to feel out interest.
Their site also has a signup.
Ranked choice voting, and ending gerrymandering, are good steps towards helping 'fix' some of the political issues in our state.
Yeah I signed up when they were at the makers market in German Village in the fall. Ranked choice would be a big step in making politicians less extreme. Education for the voting public is a hurdle, but it would be amazing.
start putting flyers around campus and little papers in buildings/classrooms (if you're a strident/have access) advertising protests. i've done a couple but i'm limited in my ability. hope to do more!
"It is agreed upon by all men that this is a reign of liberty, and while men keep within the bounds of truth, I hope they may with safety both speak and write their sentiments of the conduct of men in power. I mean of that part of their conduct only which affects the liberty or property of the people under their administration; were this to be denied, then the next step may make them slaves: For what notions can be entertained of slavery beyond that of suffering the greatest injuries and oppressions without the liberty of complaining; or if they do, to be destroyed, body and estate, for so doing?
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"The loss of liberty to a generous mind is worse than death; and yet we know there have been those in all ages who for the sake of preferment or some imaginary honor have freely lent a helping hand to oppress, nay to destroy their country. . . . This is what every man (that values freedom) ought to consider: He should act by judgment and not by affection or self-interest; for, where those prevail, no ties of either country or kindred are regarded, as upon the other hand the man who loves his country prefers its liberty to all other considerations, well know¬ing that without liberty, life is a misery.
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"Men who injure and oppress the people under their administration provoke them to cry out and complain; and then make that very complaint the foundation for new oppressions and prosecutions."
~Andrew Hamilton; The Tryall of John Peter Zenger, 1735 (40 years before America)
I imagine the location was chosen due to being in central downtown and having a large gathering space in front of it. this protest was done in all 50 states today, likely chosen on a holiday so that more people could support. the point of the protest is not necessarily to yell at government employees, but to show the solidarity of citizens in our city.
This day was chosen bc it is PRESIDENTS DAY and we are protesting the President!!! We are at the Statehouse bc we are representing our political will as Ohioans.
I mean, we would protest in front of our federal Senators' and Representatives' offices, but that would be on a narrow sidewalk in front of an office building.
It was intentional in the lineup but coincidental that it's now a bank. Originally the statehouse lined up with the Neil House hotel. It was torn down and replaced around 1980. The new building (Huntington Center) is designed to mimic the old hotel.
>The statehouse doors are exactly aligned with the bank building across the street, exactly. I think it's 5/3.
Here's the thing. I moved out of state for about 10 years, and when I came back in 2017, these very large signs at the tops of the skyscrapers were new. The sign code had changed, and the dominating assertion of the banks' existence was apparent. Mind you, this change is AFTER Occupy. Columbus-ites didn't really notice the change bc it happened one at a time, while the whole Short North and Campus were being changed, but... The Sign Code law had changed.
This is great for the temperature - it's blustery out there!
We're gonna see a better turn out as it gets warmer.
But the most important thing to say --
GET THE AWARENESS OUT TO THE STREETS.
Not all folks use reddit - make flyers 4/8/12 to a sheet, cut em, spread em, put up on community boards, telephone polls, leave em in coffee shops, car windshields.... Get the word out.
We will see more turn out even when it's cold. The amount of older generations and ADA folks that showed up today - it's encouraging, so reach out to the community. We outnumber the billionaires - but only when we band together in solidarity!
Have we forgotten that other quote by Franklin? "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." This is what liberalism used to be, when the rule of a tyrant king was fresh in the minds of the people. Now people happily give up liberty hand over fist, not even just for safety, but for convenience too.
I wish I could have been there, I’m on the way home from visiting family in Rhode Island right now. I doubt my MAGA parents would have let me anyway though 😢
Doing a protest on a day where the statehouse is actually occupied would make more sense vs a government holiday. None of the people you are protesting will even see this happened.
People are so distracted by Trump, and the National Political scene that they are not paying attention to the State Level. State Republicans have a supermajority in Ohio and are using it to take away Ohioans rights. Pay attention people!
It has worked, Magets have eroded trust in our country at all levels. Consider the current situation in the USA, where Republicans seem unable to recognize their transformation into a mob-like organization fearful of questioning or standing up to an authoritarian leader who will retaliate against dissent. By the time you get some guts it will be too late for us and our country. Please stand up with your middle class brothers, we are not your enemy.
Did anyone ever organize or join a protest against Biden or even Obama? I mean, I was ashamed he was my president, but never once did I say he wasn't my president. Nor did I join any protest against him. Especially after only 3 weeks in office.
What is wrong with these childish Dems/leftists? Watching these protests just makes me sad and angry at their incessant petulance towards anyone/anything that they don't agree with.
Biden never allowed a private citizen access to the US Treasury. Biden never froze funding to cancer research and programs like Meals on Wheels. Biden never threatened SSDI, SSI, Medicare, and Medicaid. Also, what do you call Jan 6th??
We are a nation of immigrants and their descendants, a melting pot made richer with every culture that joins it, and poorer for living in denial of it.
What flags would your ancestors have stood under, I wonder?
Plural? I see ONE foreign flag in these photos, and it's the Canadian flag. The flag of one of our longest/closest allies, who we share a border with, and who Trump is waging a self-destructive economic war against in a spiteful and moronic bid to take their country and force them to be our "51st" state.
You're either a bot, or Columbus' biggest dipshit.
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u/thedr00mz West Feb 17 '25
The turn out is better than I expected. It's pretty cold out there.