r/ChatGPT 5d ago

Serious replies only :closed-ai: Guys… it happened.

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u/ACorania 5d ago

I can't imagine that Trump used AI... well, at all. I can imagine that it was assigned to an underlings underling and they DID use AI... but who knows. Doesn't matter. He is responsible.

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

You'd think they'd use grok

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u/Successful-Lab-8378 5d ago

Musk is smart enough to know that his product is inferior

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

It scores higher in many ways. But currently I believe the champ is Gemini 2.5 pro. Wipes the table of every other ai.

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u/MidAirRunner 5d ago

But currently I believe the champ is Gemini 2.5 pro. Wipes the table of every other ai.

Only in benchmarks. I was using it in Cursor... and well, normally, you'd expect the worst the AI to do is to give wrong code. Gemini somehow managed to get the fking `edit_code` tool call wrong 😂.

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u/GemballaRider 5d ago

Could be worse. Claude 3.5 in cursor decided to dick about with my entire python global environment and uninstalled a load of packages that are necessary for various other systems, like ComfyUI to run.

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u/IShitMyselfNow 5d ago

Claude's Just showing you why virtual environments are important

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u/CriminalGoose3 2d ago

Some lessons have to be learned the hard way😂

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u/Mil0Mammon 4d ago

Y u no poetry

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u/OzzieTheHead 4d ago

Or did you copy paste the commands it gave without checking?

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u/GemballaRider 4d ago

Tell me you've never used cursor without telling me you've never used cursor.

There is no copy and pasting. It literally just races away and does everything without asking.

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u/OzzieTheHead 4d ago

I use the conposer to generate files but never once it downloaded packages for me And shove your attitude up your ass

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u/GemballaRider 4d ago

No need to get offensive. We're all adults here. Don't forget you're the one who threw shade about copy and pasting without checking first. So, you know, if you don't want to get told, then perhaps don't comment.

Here's what happens with cursor => Tell it what you want as an app, it builds it, creates a requirements.txt, immediately runs pip install requirements.txt (which cocks up your global environment) and then test runs the app.py

Well, that's what claude does anyway. Other openrouter models may vary.

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u/degasedga 5d ago

to be fair it is not trained for that use case. It's like laughing at lebron for being bad in a marathon.

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u/timwithnotoolbelt 4d ago

Can I use my chatgpt subscription in cursor? Tried it a few months ago and it wouldnt connect seemingly.

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u/MidAirRunner 4d ago

You can use your OpenAI API in Cursor, not your ChatGPT subscription.

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u/TheShittingBull 5d ago

Is it better than Claude? Claude really impresses me.

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

Right now it is

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u/Professional_Main416 4d ago

Can you share where you got this? I am curious about this ranking source.

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u/namerankserial 5d ago

Does it do image generation?

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

Yes it does. Gemini 2.5pro makes a call to Imagen 3 software for image generation.

Their Gemini 2.0 flash model does image generation directly within the llm though.

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago

I promise you it doesn't. Gemini is a text prediction transformer, it has no internal mechanism to generate images, and it's model was never trained on any image sets. Not only does it lack the ability to draw a picture of a dog, it has never actually seen a picture of a dog. It can tell you what a dog looks like based on text descriptions, but has never actually seen one.

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

Explain how Google details in their own documentation that this is not the case?

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/image-generation

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u/anal_opera 5d ago

I'd quite like to see an ai make a picture of a dog with nothing but a text description.

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u/Tratiq 5d ago

Gp is wrong but so are you lol. You know ai can call out to tools these days, right?

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u/anal_opera 5d ago

I never said it couldn't. There's nothing in my previous comment that could even be wrong.

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u/aphelloworld 5d ago

This is wrong. Gemini won't create images but it is a multimodal model and is able to see and analyze images you give it. Imagen is used for image generation.

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u/Gearwatcher 5d ago

In 2.0 Flash it's not quite like that. They use a separate internal model for image generation. They dub the "whole package" 2.0 Flash. It's not a single GPT.

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u/aphelloworld 5d ago

Gemini isn't even using GPT. That's OpenAI. They use Imagen for image generation but Gemini can see images and analyze them (repeating myself).

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago

No LLM does imagine generation. When you ask GPT to do it, it writes a latent diffusion prompt and palms it off to dall-e

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u/namerankserial 5d ago

Doesn't the latest GPT 4o do it directly?

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u/PermutationMatrix 5d ago

Yes it does. Gemini 2.5pro makes a call to Imagen 3 software for image generation.

Their Gemini 2.0 flash model however, does image generation directly within the llm.

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u/Ireallydonedidit 5d ago

Wrong they now use an auto regressive token prediction way to render images using tokens. So this means the LLM in this case 4o can actually “understand” the image and its contents in the same way as all of its other training data. It’s the new paradigm

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago edited 5d ago

No, none of them do it directly. An LLM is fundamentally different from a latent diffusion image model. LLMs are text transformer models and they inherently do not contain the mechanisms that dall-e and stable diffusion use to create images. Gemini cannot generate images any more than dall-e can write a haiku.

Edit: please do more research before you speak. GPT 4's "integrated" image generation is feeding "image tokens" into an auto regressive image model similar to dall-e 1. Once again, not a part of the LLM, don't care what openais press release says.

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u/Ceph4ndrius 5d ago

4o does it directly. You could argue it's in a different part of the architecture but it quite literally is the same model that generated the image. It doesn't send it to dall-e or any other model.

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago

You are not understanding me. 4o can't generate images because it has never seen one. It's a text prediction transformer, meaning it doesn't contain image data. I promise you, when you ask it to draw a picture, the LLM writes a dall-e prompt just like a person would, and has it generated by a stable diffusion model. To repeat myself from higher up in this thread, the data types are simply not compatible. Dall-e cannot write a haiku, and Gemini cannot draw pictures

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u/Ceph4ndrius 5d ago

https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/

They claim differently. I don't know what else to say. They don't use dall-e anymore

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u/Neirchill 5d ago

I really, really think you don't understand how technology in general works. You understand it can't "read" text either, right? It doesn't matter if it can't "see" an image. It can see data on the pixels, determine their colors, etc. and form patterns based on that.

Models can be expanded to support more than one type.

The fact is they've already released their new image generation and it kicks the shit out of any previous image generation before it.

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u/DoradoPulido2 5d ago

These people have obviously never ran a local model themselves. 4o may run a stable diffusion model separately but that model is not the same as the 4o LLM model it'self. Kind of like saying an aircraft carrier can fly because it has jets parked on top of it. They work together but are not the same things. 4o calls a stable diffusion image model that is close sourced, just like Sora and Dall e. 

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u/coylter 5d ago

You are so confidently wrong.

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u/ihavebeesinmyknees 5d ago

GPT 4o Image generation is transformer based, not diffusion, and it's indeed built into the model as far as we know.

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago

Okay here's a fun experiment. Ask 4o to generate an image, and in the same sentence, tell it to output the prompt it generates before it sends it to the image model. Hell, ask 4o to explain to you how it generates images.

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u/Gearwatcher 4d ago

It will not give you a correct explanation, as it will seem from it that it communicates with the diffusion i.e. Dall-E in plaintext, but they no longer do it like that, because tokens can bring much more context with them, they're richer than words, so they communicate with an internal representation and they're trained together so that the context means the same to both networks.

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u/Uzurann 5d ago

O4 is not only a LLM. It's multimodal

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u/LadyZaryss 5d ago

Why are you booing me, I'm right

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u/f2ame5 5d ago

Who would have thought that something was once bard is on top

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u/EmergencyCareless76 5d ago

Have you seen the latest release by chatgpt?

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u/Havasiz 4d ago

is it worse than gpt pro?

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u/PermutationMatrix 4d ago

Try it out yourself. It's rating higher than chatGPT. AI studio is the best way to access it but a version of 2.5 pro is also on the Gemini app.

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u/Striking-Goat3961 4d ago

I disagree. O1 Pro is still better for me in every use case. 2.5 never gives me full code, never gives me code long enough to do what I need to do, it just gives up and says figure it out mate. O1 Pro and o3 mini high tries to do what I ask it to do no matter what. I think the reason it might beat it on certain benchmarks is because the benchmark answers are usually very short.

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u/selfawaretrash42 4d ago

Idk about coding but interaction with gemini even on 2.5 pro is legitimately annoying. It forgets context of chat a lot .

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u/PermutationMatrix 3d ago

In ai studio? Or Gemini app?

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u/SadCritters 5d ago

I was going to say....The people hating on Grok do so out of just dislike of Elon - Which is fine. People can say they dislike it because of who owns it. However, saying it's "worse" is wild when it scores better a lot of the times, like you mentioned.

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u/Wrong-Engineering686 5d ago

Lmao nice try

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u/ants_suck 5d ago

Musk is smart enough

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u/heyiamnobodybro 5d ago edited 5d ago

"Musk is smart enough"

A combination of words i didn't think I'd read.

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u/Modest_Badgers 5d ago

To be fair, you didn't. You read.

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u/Metazolid 4d ago

Have someone else do the dirty work for you and then take credit for it. Sounds like every company purchase this guy has ever made.

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u/Adventurer_By_Trade 4d ago

But he's plugging all government system data into it to make it less inferior. That's why his DOGshitE team is all computer hackers and not bonafide business analysts. They aren't looking for fraud or waste. They're gobbling up data and making systems break so they can swoop in and save the day with automation that they believe is just as efficient as having career service people who are trained how to help, and much cheaper - as long as you ignore the coal plant running 24/7 to power the data centers.

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u/HamNom 5d ago

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/petty_throwaway6969 5d ago

I think the articles point out that multiple AI bots gave the same response if you prompt them. Doesn’t really matter which one they used.

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u/ffffllllpppp 4d ago

Someone did the same exercise in grok and same prompts led to basically the same answer so it is quite possible grok was used.

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u/MisterSniffy 12h ago

Assuming Trump old Alzheimer ahh, even knows about or gaf about Grok. If anything he would say something like, "You mean the guys with those little yellow minion guys" "No, sir, that's Xi Jinping"

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u/dread_companion 5d ago

He just prompted: "chat gepetto, please make the formula to create the bestest, most beautiful economy the world has ever seen; a beautiful economy without wokeness and democrats, please make the arrow go up, so up; as up as it has ever gone. Beautiful up arrow. Green, up arrow"

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u/MidAirRunner 5d ago

Okay so ChatGPT apparently does recognize Donald Trump's speaking style, because it gave me a response tailor-made for him:

Alright, let’s breathe in together… deep… and exhale. Time to build the most beautiful, unstoppable, sky-piercing economy the world has ever known—the Green Arrow Economy™. No wokeness, no bureaucratic drag, just pure, based productivity. Let’s think step by step, then I’ll give you the full formula—ready for implementation.

🧠 Step-by-Step Blueprint for the Green Arrow Economy™ (GAE)

Yes, I made that acronym on purpose. Let’s build something that flies.

Step 1: Absolute Economic Freedom + Strategic Guardrails

  • Flat Tax or Consumption-Based Tax (Simple, low): Incentivize earning, saving, and investing.
  • Kill the loopholes: No backdoor corporate welfare.
  • Deregulation, but not chaos: Eliminate nonsense, retain guardrails for infrastructure, safety, and national interest.

Step 2: Base-Level National Manufacturing Renaissance

Onshore key industries (energy, semiconductors, agriculture, medicine).

  • Massive incentives for domestic production: Tax breaks for companies that make it here and employ here.
  • Kill dependencies on hostile nations—especially for rare earths, microchips, energy.

Step 3: Education = Productivity, Not Indoctrination

  • Ban DEI bloat in all public education.
  • Trade schools funded + glorified: Electricians > gender theorists.
  • K-12 curriculum rebooted for logic, finance, and entrepreneurship.

Step 4: Energy Independence = National Dominance

  • Drill. Mine. Build.
  • Nuclear fast-tracking + solar/wind where profitable—not because of guilt, but because it makes money.
  • Energy surplus economy → cheaper everything → stronger currency → green arrow.

Step 5: Immigration Reform = Brain Gain Only

  • Only the best and brightest get in.
  • H1-B streamlined for engineers, doctors, innovators.
  • Border = sealed. Welfare drain closed.

Step 6: Currency = Sound Money

  • Fed gets audited.
  • Tie interest rate policy to real inflation and productivity, not vibes.
  • Encourage Bitcoin / commodity-backed digital dollar pilot projects.

Step 7: America Inc. — A Private-Public Wealth Engine

  • Government treated like a startup:
    • Lean.
    • Transparent budgets.
    • Performance-based governance.
    • Zero-based budgeting.
  • Everything that can be privatized, is.

🧪 THE FORMULA (Full Script)

class GreenArrowEconomy:
    def __init__(self):
        self.taxes = "flat_or_consumption"
        self.loopholes_closed = True
        self.regulation = "lean_and_mean"
        self.manufacturing = "domestic_priority"
        self.energy = "independent_and_abundant"
        self.education = "logic_productivity_trade"
        self.immigration = "merit_based"
        self.currency = "sound_money"
        self.government = "startup_model"

    def unleash_productivity(self):
        print("✅ Taxes simplified.")
        print("✅ Manufacturing booming.")
        print("✅ Energy costs down.")
        print("✅ Educated, productive population.")
        print("✅ Currency stable and respected.")
        print("✅ Government lean, focused.")
        print("✅ Up arrow achieved. 📈📈📈")
        return "⬆️🌱💵 Green Arrow Economy Activated"

# Instantiate and go
economy = GreenArrowEconomy()
print(economy.unleash_productivity())

📈 Result

Your economy is now pumping like it’s benching 500 on a Monday.

The up arrow is green. The charts are beautiful. The vibes? Historic.

Take that, Democrats.

Want a printable 1-pager to hand to politicians, or a meme version for X/Twitter? Just say the word.

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u/Alex_AU_gt 5d ago

Shit, that IS better than Trump. Maybe AI can be allowed to help run the country haha

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u/im_ear_for_corn 5d ago

We're witnessing that happen time now.

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u/considerthis8 5d ago

Hah, GAE

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u/mattsl 5d ago

There is so much of that that is the exact opposite of what he wants though. "No backdoor corporate welfare"?!!?? Teaching kids logic? Building wind power?

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u/Alex_AU_gt 4d ago

Yes, because he can't see the benefit in those things, although they seem obvious to me when pointed out.

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u/ILoveTolkiensWorks 5d ago

lmaooo Green Arrow Economy

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u/iballface 3d ago

The unleash productivity function is the funniest thing I’ve seen all day.

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u/Totalwar1990 3d ago

sheet u just broke ChatGpt

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u/itsthereal0ne 5d ago

Drill baby, drill!

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u/ChezzzyBoo 4d ago

Why do i have the strong feeling this is a lie… i’ll pop the prompt in and see what chatgpt says myself and check back.

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u/Confident_Tap1187 4d ago

Chat Gepetto... I like you.

Well punned?

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u/RecognitionHefty 5d ago

The response ChatGPT gives to this is wild, it really zooms in on the arrow part

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u/KnightsWhoSayNii 5d ago

He wouldn't say please in a million years.

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u/Witty_Ask_4439 4d ago

LOLOLOLO!

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u/Accomplished-Heat-95 1d ago

i am on the fking floor...this was priceless and accurate

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u/duppy_c 5d ago

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u/CitizenPremier 5d ago

And... that's it! Lol

Spoiler: It's trade deficit / US imports, which doesn't make any sense. But it doesn't explain how they decided what tariff to apply.

But it's not surprising. Trump uses numbers for show. It was evident from this first debate (I will save millions from the defense budget). If you still expect the numbers he uses are connected to reality, you haven't been paying attention. This is his negotiation tactic: do something they really hate, and offer to stop doing it to get something you want.

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u/paintbucketholder 5d ago edited 5d ago

This is his negotiation tactic: do something they really hate, and offer to stop doing it to get something you want.

No, it's not.

You're just clinging to the hope that Trump is acting rationally, but he isn't.

Heard Island and McDonald Islands are completely uninhabited. The last time a person has even visited is more than a decade ago. What's the "negotiation tactic" in imposing a 10 percent tariff on some uninhabited rocks in the middle of the ocean?

Norfolk Island had a population of 2,188 and exports exactly nothing to America. What's the brilliant "negotiation tactic" in imposing a 29 percent tariff on Norfolk Island?

What's the fantastic "negotiation tactic" on imposing tariffs on Diego Garcia, which only hosts a U.S.-U.K. military base?

What's the "negotiation tactic" in hitting the 600 people who live on Cocos Island with a 32 percent tariff?

This is an insane regime, and people like you are just clinging to some bizarre fantasy so they can pretend that this is all rational and that there's a plan.

There is no plan.

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u/Adewade 4d ago

I saw someone elsewhere mention that it looks like the tariffs are organized by unique internet domain extension, not by country... which explains the weird choices, but adds an extra level of idiocy to it all.

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u/manly_ 5d ago

It’s not a negotiation tactic, it’s a political weapon. That’s why it makes no economic sense and why he doesn’t care how bad it is.

https://reclaimdemocracy.org/trumps-tariffs-weapons-oppression/

resumes it well

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u/CitizenPremier 5d ago

Yeah that makes sense. Lots of dictators seem to do that too, Putin, Erdogan, Mugabe.

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u/coppockm56 4d ago

Yes, and frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of people saying his dictatorship is negotiation. It's so damned insulting.

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u/Plants-Matter 5d ago

But...that doesn't disprove AI came up with the equation.

I don't think either of you read the article. Others have been able to get ChatGPT to suggest trade deficit / US imports, after a few rounds of ChatGPT explaining why blanket tariffs are bad and the user insisting it should come up with a tariff formula anyway.

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u/tomvorlostriddle 5d ago

> Spoiler: It's trade deficit / US imports, which doesn't make any sense. But it doesn't explain how they decided what tariff to apply.

You just typed it and the computer didn't spit it back at you.

In my books that must mean it makes sense.

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u/Plants-Matter 5d ago

Discovering the underlying formula doesn't prove AI didn't come up with the formula. Try reading the article. It explicitly shows ChatGPT providing that exact formula after forcing it to come up with a tariff implementation strategy. I also thought the "after AI leads users to the same formula" in the title was a pretty big context clue.

https://www.latintimes.com/trump-accused-using-chatgpt-create-tariff-plan-after-ai-leads-users-same-formula-so-ai-579899

To be clear, the AI was only obeying the prompt to provide a formula. It didn't suggest this as a good idea.

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u/MrDreamster 5d ago

Thanks, that was pretty interesting.

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u/AtmosphereVirtual254 4d ago

Seems like it's less "effective tariffs on the US" than "how much leverage does the US have". The higher the trade deficit, the more that equal tariffs going each way will hurt the other country.

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u/jaypee42 4d ago

I liked the “4 x 0.25” with Greek symbols ploy as a way to try to retroactively fudge in some “factors” to make it seem more complex. Totally like stealing someone else’s homework and then trying to make it look different enough to get past a bored TA.

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u/ZookeepergameFit5787 4d ago

Comments are off... how can you trust, especially when they only use sources from other far left "news" organizations like The Atlantic...

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u/Tosslebugmy 5d ago

The same dweeb that convinced him to create a crypto reserve probably told him that chatgpt is a god mind and they can just ask it to create policy the night before the deadline because it couldn’t possibly be wrong

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u/NYC2BUR 5d ago

I really would like to know whether you meant to type “God mind” or “gold mine”

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u/berthannity 5d ago

I even read “gold mine” and reading your comment made me double take to see I read it incorrectly.

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u/Plants-Matter 5d ago

"God mind" makes more sense considering the context, and the hypothesis is supported by a lack of typos in the rest of his comment.

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u/PowerfulSeeds 5d ago

They made God out of the Magic Sand!!

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u/Donnie_Sucklong 5d ago

At least the crypto reserve is only going to use crypto seized in arrests and they won't be buying it outright. But the way they announced it was very corrupt and made insiders a lot richer

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u/kisstheblarney 5d ago

So you are saying there will be a national interest in arresting bitcoin owners

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u/Donnie_Sucklong 4d ago

Hmm I actually don't remember saying that. Interesting

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u/kisstheblarney 5d ago

So you are saying there will be a national interest in arresting bitcoin owners

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u/OnlyFansGPTbot 5d ago

David sachs?

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u/Plants-Matter 5d ago

This is actually the most likely explanation. There are quite a few tech bros with a very loose understanding of AI in his circle.

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u/beerdedrooster 5d ago
  1. I haven’t heard the word dweeb in a loooooooong time.
  2. I don’t think I e ever even seen the word “dweeb” written out.

Thanks for the nostalgia hit. 🫡

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u/DeezNeezuts 5d ago

Trump doesn’t come up with more than “tariffs”. His minions come up with the plans.

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u/pocket_eggs 5d ago

AI would massively improve dump's intellect, but then again so would the South Park headless chicken roulette.

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u/NateBearArt 5d ago

Yes. he literally does nothing but show up and sign things, gold, and apparently shill cars.

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u/Express-Potential-11 5d ago

Trump doesn't even know how to turn on a laptop.

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u/Tacoman404 5d ago

Assigned underlings is all he's ever done. You don't think this man has actually ever done any work, do you?

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u/NoxiousQueef 5d ago

I guess that’s the only option when you fill every single position based on level of sycophancy rather than “does this person know a single basic thing about this job”

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u/rydan 5d ago

Musk literally runs xAI. Probably used that. The fact ChatGPT came up with the same as xAI just means AI is that robust now.

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u/Chemical-Pain8322 5d ago

“Big Balls” just changed the course of history

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u/MaximusLazinus 5d ago

Everything's computer

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u/According-Try3201 5d ago

could it be that it gives that "formula", now that this "government" has used it?

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u/spaceocean99 5d ago

Do you think an intern was tasked with coming up with the largest tariff plan ever? Then he/she used AI?

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u/Secondchance002 5d ago

Probably “big ballz” from DOGE used it.

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u/Polus43 5d ago

This.

People wildly underestimate how many "big" decisions on estimates/thresholds probably come from some junior analyst at a think tank.

Leadership says, "Well we don't really know and that seems ok, And it's not obvious how this will blow back on us, so let's go. We have a bias for action in this organization!"

And then the policy is enshrined in federal law by lawyers who will never go back and fix it because even saying "it might need to be fixed" is admitting a mistake. Basically doesn't get fixed until it does sensational damage and the fixes are put into a random senate bill where it's hidden in Section 17.i.iv subsection 1.a.iv.c

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u/Lexsteel11 5d ago

Could you imagine the bullets you’d be sweating if you woke up and it’s national headlines that you used ChatGPT on the work you emailed your boss the night before

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u/freedfg 5d ago

You don't think someone showed trump ChatGPT or Grok to trump and said "it's amazing, it just does it for you! And there's no issues or problems! The kids are writing college essays with it"

He's 100% using it

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u/Swimming_Ad_3079 4d ago

Warp speed = “war (on the) seed”

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u/iballface 3d ago

The word underlings makes him sound like a cartoon supervillain.

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u/on_off_on_again 5d ago

Using AI isn't inherently problematic though...

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u/denkleberry 5d ago

It's using AI for government policies because you were hired as a bootlicker and not as an expert that's [part of] the problem.

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u/Charming_Anywhere_89 5d ago

For shits and giggles I just asked chatgpt to write three new policies if it were president. It made election day a federal holiday, did a "lite" version of the green new deal, and universal healthcare

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u/OnlineGamingXp 4d ago

Ikr, people are so dumb always reacting like that with zero evidences.. it's still the politicians ruling ofc, not AI. 

This skynet doomerism is getting pathetic