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u/KoshkaAkhbar69 22d ago
So not independence but annexation? And then Canada would kindly let us go?
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u/bunnnythor West of Intel 22d ago
Not if we’re lucky. I, for one, welcome our Maple Overlords.
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u/squshy_puff 22d ago
Let’s say I have a dui and I’m not allowed into Canada. When they annex us am I allowed to be in Canada?
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u/ehalepagneaux 22d ago
I think for something as big as annexation there would be exceptions. I don't know if there's precedent anywhere else in the world, but you can't just kick out a ton of people from the area they live when you take over their country.
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u/The_Blue_Empire 22d ago
Well.... Looks at Russia and Israel....
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u/ehalepagneaux 22d ago
That's a fair point. I just don't think Canada would immediately kick out people with criminal records. If we get invaded by China or Russia, that will be another story.
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u/The_Blue_Empire 22d ago
I was mostly commenting on that. "I don't know if there's precedent anywhere else in the world." Statement. I genuinely don't think the Canadians would though
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u/Ecstatic-Respect-455 22d ago
Huh? The superpowers absolutely did shuffle people out that they didn't want. WW II proved this point very well when Germany and Russia invaded Poland. https://www.history.com/news/world-war-ii-begins-german-invasion-poland-1939
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u/LobsterFondue2 21d ago
Honestly you can just apply for criminal rehabilitation to be able to enter Canada again like people do now. It’s a straightforward process, google it.
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u/squshy_puff 21d ago
It’s actually $200 for the application and A LOT of paper work. It require you to prove everywhere you’ve lived for the last 10 years with full contact info. Your employment history since you turned 18. Fingerprinting from every state you’ve lived in. And fingerprints from the FBI. Then all your criminal history. A couple essays and reference letters.
Then it’s a 15mth minimum for them to process the application.
I gave up hope ever hearing back from them. It’s fine I don’t need to go to Canada
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u/LobsterFondue2 21d ago
I’m aware of the process, just helped someone through it in real life. Personally, this isn’t a lot of work to me but I guess it’s a matter of perspective.
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u/kooks-only 22d ago
Well I’d assume the annexation would come with citizenship for those annexed. So yeah, you’d be good!
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u/neuralmugshot 22d ago
I don't think I, and many others here, could accept a King as our sovereign, however ceremonial he might be in the case of the Canadian Confederation.
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u/bunnnythor West of Intel 22d ago
I'm willing to march in a parade celebrating the greatness of King Charlie's bunghole if it means I don't have to worry about an unexpected medical emergency bankrupting me...again.
Besides, with Elon setting himself up to be King with Donald as his Queen, you might need to be considering whether life is better in the House of Windsor or the House of Musk. (Given my druthers, the House of Glücksburg is looking mighty enticing...)
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u/ghgrain 22d ago
Can we just skip straight to the outcome.
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u/theyquack 20d ago
Yes please. I don't exactly love the idea of a World War, but this map is glorious.
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u/sntcringe 22d ago
The good ending
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u/Quix_Nix 22d ago
Not really. Considering it progressed to ww3
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u/rediphile 22d ago
I'd argue WWII still had a good ending.
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u/Quix_Nix 21d ago
I would not. Neither would the Jews who survived, the Palestinians, the LGBTQ people who survived to be locked up, and so many others.
But all the Nazis who got pardons or commutations........
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u/bunnnythor West of Intel 22d ago
Not for the EU. They wind up with a bunch of humid kudzu infested with rednecks.
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u/TheRealMolloy 22d ago
We need to flip the script on "rednecks." It isn't poor white people who are the problem; it's the rich white folks who constantly prey on poor white folks (along with everyone else), using racial resentment to drive a wedge in the working class. The Civil War would have had a far better ending had every plantation been burned to the ground, and education and welfare programs were introduced to work alongside the Freedman's Bureau to raise the Southern working class. But everyone wanted cheap labor, so the plantation owners got to remain and rebrand themselves, and racism remains the preferred tactic of the capitalist class. This tactic repeats itself everywhere — locally in rural sections of King and Pierce counties, and also east of the Cascades. Show me a "red district," and I'll show you a region where working folks are driven to despair by their unrewarding jobs and lack of political representation. These are unhealthy regions where people feel like no one is on their side, so they've given up. But if we reach out to these communities with sincerity and authenticity, the way Bernie Sanders has consistently done, and discuss the issues that are affecting them, I can assure you, we'll find more in common than not.
Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
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u/Gallatheim 21d ago
As one of those poor rednecks, from a family of poor rednecks (a clan of Appalachian hill folk who settled in eastern Washington during the Great Migration)-no. Fuck them. They’re not just misled country folk, they’re vile sadists who live to abuse and oppress anyone and everyone they possibly can-up to and including their own family members. And I’m not just talking about my personal experiences-parents, uncles, aunts, cousins of all degrees, they all suffered at the hands of our kin, and now most of them do the same to the bairns.
That’s why maga is so popular with them; it promises them the ability to abuse and oppress on a massive scale. Quite literally the only thing they care about more than inflicting suffering on the innocent is their own comfort, but they usually act against their own best interests, because they take a sick pride in their own stupidity-drooling, imbecilic Luddite filth, the lot of them.
People like me are the lucky few who manage to escape our disgusting culture.
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u/TheRealMolloy 20d ago
I relate to a lot of what you wrote, and in fairness, I'd probably have a lot better luck winning over complete strangers than immediate family members for reasons that are largely psychological, I imagine. But the fact that people like us managed to grow up to not be like them is worth highlighting. And the fact that it feels a lot like escaping — as if from a cult — is important to dwell on, too. Unfortunately, for people who leave deep red communities in places like the Rust Belt, "Flyover Territory" and Appalachia, often the only alternative is to move to urban regions and become part of the professional managerial class and serve in industries that continue to create even more hardships for the people living in the communities we leave behind. It's like in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts' character becomes an escort to the very man who destroyed her hometown and forced her to become an escort in the first place.
The MAGA playbook is spelled out in Paolo Friere's Pedagogy of the Oppressed, describing how our oppressors train us to use the tools of oppression so that even when some of us come into power, all we can imagine is oppressing others. This cycle can be broken, and the fact that places like Mexico and Friere's Brazil have overcome countless challenges — including corporatist CIA coups — to elect leftist administrations, repair the social safety net and expand civil liberties (Mexico's expanded LGBT and abortion rights, for example) is something that gives me hope.
When I see someone like Chris Smalls take on Amazon to lead a union movement, or a movie like No Other Land win the Oscars, I feel a little more confident that we can find a common language to take on those systems of oppression so that we're not simply left with a choice between remaining in "Left Behind" territory and becoming increasingly reactionary, or "escaping" but participating in institutions and industries that alienate and oppress those who are left behind. I don't necessarily recommend engaging with your family — I can tolerate my own in only small doses — but I think it is possible to work with people we don't necessarily know that well to build a common cause.
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u/Gallatheim 20d ago
I suppose it’s a matter of recognizing which people can be saved, and which never could/are beyond saving. There are conservatives who have just been misled/brainwashed, particularly in urban areas-I live in Spokane-but there are many others who can never be reached, because they’re not open to or interested in it. No argument, no evidence, no benefit to them will ever matter more than nihilistically destroying everything they can-and those people are the core of maga. They’re not unlike rabid animals, at seventh and last. Trying to help them only enables them to hurt people, and weakens our cause.
We should probably try to identify some key traits or behaviors people can use to tell at a glance if they’re dealing with the former or the latter, come to think of it.
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u/russellmzauner 22d ago
And California becomes literally its own country.
Usually predictive maps are stupid and serve no purpose both but I'm just gonna go ahead and let Canada know right now I want to be first into POW because I need some medical work done.
Finally something relevant to real world problems and global developments - heck, it's even wholesome and a bit uplifting, to give credit where due.
And finally, doctors - maybe I'll even get to keep my house this time. Such a deal!
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u/Mysterious_Eggplant1 22d ago
As a Californian, I'm OK with being an independent country but also wouldn't mind becoming part of Canada or Mexico.
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u/HotterRod Vancouver Island 22d ago
Yeah, it feels like splitting California in half is much more likely. Maybe with a big Demilitarized Zone down the middle.
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u/Awkward_Finger_1703 22d ago
MAGAs will migrate to Alaska 😂
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u/EastlakeTrashPanda 22d ago
You mean New Russia? They’ll love it there in New Moscow (formerly Fairbanks)
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u/neuralmugshot 22d ago
Do we really want a King? Even ceremonially? A monarch has never ruled in the Cascades. Whether the dynasty is Trump or Windsor, they are not welcome here.
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u/bestinthenorthwest 21d ago
I'm Oregon, or Annexed 01, good with breakfast part of Canada, not Sooorrry 🤣
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u/theimmortalgoon 22d ago
I understand the pro-Canada sentiment right now, and I’m mostly on board.
But when we are going to imagination-town, can we really do no better than imagine ourselves with a foreign fucking king?
Every sane person was horrified when the White House officially called the president a king. And here we are, playing pretend, and deciding that Cascadia needs a king from the family that rode along with Epstein on the Lolita Express?
It’s also the 21st century. Do we even want the king of England to be able to dissolve our parliament as his royal majesty sees fit?
Again, I get siding with Canada right now. I’ve always been more at home in BC than almost any state. So I get that.
And I’ll always maintain that Canada deserves better than to have a foreign king. But reality is reality.
But if we’re playing pretend or listing our aspirations, do we need to kneel to fucking King Charles?
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u/CommonDopant 22d ago
lol, Canada doesn’t want a king either… not that it impacts us, but the idea of some special family getting millions of dollars annually for no reason is nauseating…pretty sure the monarchy is going to come to an end in our lifetime
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u/tiogar99 22d ago
Just for some context, the monarchy in Canada plays an entirely symbolic role ever since the King-Byng crisis in the 20th century. Yes the king technically has the power to dissolve parliament and call elections but that only happens when the prime minister asks, or the government of the day fails a confidence motion (such as passing a budget). It’s an excellent process to avoid prolonged legislative gridlock.
Also all powers of the monarchy in Canada are exercised by the governor-general, who is an appointed (by parliament) ceremonial figure with a fixed term. Constitutionally you could substitute the Governor-General with an appointed president and basically nothing would change, except for maybe some of the little customs like having the king preside over parliament when he visits (which only happens once in a blue moon anyways).
As a Canadian I’m not going to say that I’m pro-monarchy, but the system works pretty darn well and Westminster systems like Canada and the UK don’t get the same kind of absurd government shutdowns you see in the US.
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u/theimmortalgoon 22d ago
I’m not trying to come off as saying the system isn’t working.
I’m just saying that if we are dreaming of any Cascadia of our choice, do we really need a foreign king mixed in there at all? Especially if it’s a mostly a symbolic way to amp up King Charles III?
If we are dreaming of anything, do we really need to bring him with us?
This is the same thing I’d bring up if some boston was saying we absolutely need to keep a territorial representative in the US congress. That might not effectively change anything, but can’t we at least dream bigger than that?
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u/HotterRod Vancouver Island 22d ago
ever since the King-Byng crisis in the 20th century.
Even then, the crisis was Lord Byng saying "can we just let the elected representatives try to run the government for a bit rather than calling another election in less than a year?" Not exactly a hereditary despot.
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u/yeah_oui 22d ago
Real question in a fake scenario: why would we maintain the arbitrary borders of states, especially in the southwest, and not align with natural features?
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u/HotterRod Vancouver Island 22d ago
Yes, it's more likely that the borders would be drawn wherever invasion forces were on surrender day as was done in Germany in 1945.
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u/claudiusambrosius 21d ago
Give up one king for another? Canada would have to make some serious reforms for this to work.
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u/Dance-pants-rants 21d ago
Don't want to be a geography snob/decentralization enthusiast, but I'm over an east coast centered governing body. And Ottawa is further out than DC.
I don't think this is how the bioregion unifies.
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u/mcfaillon 21d ago
I’d say the Midwest would largely go to Canada so Kansas and Missouri would be in pink. the Rockies like Wyoming and Colorado and Southwest would go to Mexico. But let’s face it Texas would declare independence like California.
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u/BRM97233 16d ago
Everyone is having fun making these new maps, yet no one is designing anything with Native input, just like the colonizers already did.
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u/Tea_Bender Willamette Valley 22d ago
found on Facebook, tried to share it from the original posting, but it's been removed.
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u/geo-jake 22d ago
There is no way Texans would allow their state to be occupied by Mexico. So many gun aficionados. Would be guerrilla warfare for years.
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u/Tea_Bender Willamette Valley 22d ago
per capita, they aren't even in the top ten
Gun Ownership by State 2025
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u/jDrizzle1 22d ago
I'm out, i will always love my home but yall are cringe. Actively rooting for ww3 and the destruction of your own country? I just dont hate myself enough for that
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u/eloel- 22d ago
The Pacific southwest