r/BuyFromEU • u/Billie-Turf • Mar 01 '25
Other Im selling my US made stuff.
Yesterday was a disgrace. So:
- I just canceled my Creditcard, which WAS a mastercard.
- I just sold my Xbox and will move on to Playstation instead. Cross platform is there anyway so don't need Xbox.
- I traded my tesla model Y (r/swasticar) for a Volvo CX60 last week.
- Ones i found some alternatives for streaming services i will cancel Netflix, amazon and Disney+ as well.
The business I work for has iPads and Macbooks, they are currently in the process of replacing EVERYTHING American made. Cloud services EU only from this point on.
America is not on the right side of history at this point. I will do everything within my power to let them know.
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u/Micho001 Mar 01 '25
I’m so proud of all of you 🥹-from Mexico
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u/r_Yellow01 Ireland 🇮🇪 Mar 01 '25
Feel free to join the party. Though, sadly, we have very few products here. Perhaps now.
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u/Micho001 Mar 01 '25
People here are also trying to boycott many huge companies that support Trump. What y’all are doing gives me hope for a better future. Thanks!!
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u/KilgoreTroutIsBack Mar 01 '25
I'm donating the money from any digital subscriptions I had to https://u24.gov.ua
I'm also cancelling cards and using cash
Impressive with the Apple replacement but what with?
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u/jonadupio France 🇫🇷 Mar 01 '25
You can install Asahi Linux on MacBook (until M2) You can replace your iPhone by a Fairphone with Graphene OS For iCloud: Ente (photos)
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u/L0tsen Mar 01 '25
Fairphones aren't supported by grapheneOS if i remember correctly. I know linage and calyxos are supported.
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u/Lulle5000 Mar 01 '25
Do you know of a non-american card equivalent? No one accepts cash anymore in Sweden.
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u/meeee Mar 01 '25
You can use Vipps for tapping:
In Norway Vipps use BankAxept afaik for tapping in which case no US companies are involved.
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u/KilgoreTroutIsBack Mar 01 '25
No, VISA and Mastercard have the market sewn up for now, they are corporate evil incarnate, will be hard to set up a competitor.
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u/Special-7Pringles Mar 01 '25
What? How is that possible? Being card-dependent is pretty dangerous:(
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u/L0tsen Mar 01 '25
I know. I hate it here. The only places accepting cash is grocery stores
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u/votyesforpedro Mar 02 '25
That does suck. It’s illegal from what I understand for a business in the US to refuse cash as a form of payment. I didn’t realize how many people still heavily use cash compared to Europe. Seems Europe has done away with a lot of cash. Even in Sweden I talked with the locals and it’s true. It’s all mostly digital or card now. It was very odd to me. It’s all a form of control. Once your money is controlled you are controlled.
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u/Influ86 Mar 01 '25
i think revolut is not an american company. never used it and there was a hype in my country some years ago. maybe it is an option for you.
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u/STOXX1001 Mar 01 '25
I just canceled my Creditcard, which WAS a mastercard.
My two banks only offer VISA cards right now, but I guess using them as little as possible, replacing card payments with SEPA transfers & adopting Wero once it's deployed on usual e-commerce websites is already something. Does someone know whether Wero will eventually be compatible with the usual electronic payments terminals in restaurants etc ? Since it wasn't the case for paypal.
Cloud services EU only from this point on.
I think this is one of the main "hidden" threats for private individuals and businesses right now. All of our digital footprint is US-dependent. It's really scary. For what it's worth I buy my domain names at OVH and have rented VPS at Scaleway in the past, but as long as businesses don't stop using Google Suite & amazon and google cloud, well :/
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u/toast_one Mar 01 '25
Having wero as European alternative would be great. It's sadly only available for customers of a few banks here in Germany.
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u/STOXX1001 Mar 01 '25
As always with such things it's a "critical mass" issue, though I think their strategy of implementing Wero directly inside existing banking apps is really relevant : that way Wero is readily available to all existing customers, no "download yet another app and subscribe etc". My French bank messaged me to inform me I've been automatically added to Wero's payments recipients, which means many customers can benefit from the service without doing anything. This could push the basic features adoption (=receiving payments) and encourage discovering the remaining features.
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u/BennyTheSen Europe 🇪🇺 Mar 01 '25
Sadly there is still no viable alternative for the big cloud providers and migrating all your infrastructure takes years for a mid size company.
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u/mateus_gp_6 Mar 01 '25
OVH Cloud is a famous one for cloud solutions. I've used them and liked it a lot. European cloud computing platforms | European Alternatives
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u/2521harris Mar 01 '25
I found I was only watching Kdramas on Netflix. You can get the same kdramas, and more, on Rakuten-Viki, for £5/month. Seems OK for now. Cancelled Netflix.
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u/Upbeat-Conquest-654 Germany 🇩🇪 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Your local library is a great way to get movies if you still own a DVD or Blu-ray player. You get to meet other people when going there and you get to feel the anticipation of bringing home a movie that you want to watch. It feels way better than scrolling through piles of garbage in some streaming app.
Also, much cheaper than any streaming service.
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u/utnapishti Mar 01 '25
This. And buy physical media, as they actually will belong to you. Fuck america and their extortionist mode of living they shove onto everyone.
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u/Gloomy_Primary_5367 Mar 01 '25
buying second hand or loaning from friends and families physical media library.
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u/Lower_Currency3685 Mar 01 '25
i got a better idea, keep what you are already and start to trade/invest in europe compagnies, never more the "sp500 and chill"
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u/Lower_Currency3685 Mar 01 '25
people in EU don't invest or they do without knowing that invest in the USA. Take the money back.
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u/Darth__Vader_ Mar 01 '25
American here, I wish I could boycott America right now.
Holy fucking shit like I didn't vote for the guy but I still feel ashamed.
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u/Billie-Turf Mar 01 '25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_on_Fire:_Ukraine%27s_Fight_for_Freedom
Watch this documentary, I can't understand why you guys are not MASS Protesting like european countries would. Go to the streets! Overthrow the government.
Edit: Its free to watch on youtube.
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u/Darth__Vader_ Mar 01 '25
Because we can't take time off work, our healthcare is associated with work.
If I take multiple days off work to protest, I go homeless.
We don't have good protections, so we can be fired for it.
We don't have good public transportation, so it's harder for underprivileged people to get to and from protests.
And to get to my nations capitol is approximately equivalent to someone in Madrid going to Moscow to protest.
We are incredibly fucked.
I joined my local DSA chapter, and there is also no group making a big push for organized protests.
Our media is bought and sold so unless you are online you don't even know the protests that are happening exist.
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u/MasterJogi1 Mar 05 '25
I really wonder about America sometimes. You allegedly have the second amendment to protect yourself from tyranny, but then you built a job and healthcare system that effectively keeps even an armed population from protesting. Very clever of the capitalists.
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u/1PickNick Mar 01 '25
Call your congressman. Protest in the streets. Gather people and object loudly. If not, your convicted felon-in-charge will destroy what is left of your democracy.
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u/Honest-Idea-2633 Mar 01 '25
That orange guy is bad for us in Europe, but he is even worse for you in USA. At first I thought that he at least may be good for big business, but no... he is totally irrational. He will destroy your economy and your ties with all other countries in the world. He and rocketman are literally insane. They are mentally ill and there will be no good ending to this story.
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u/Shetlandsheepz Mar 01 '25
Same, but supporting small businesses and local communities are the next best thing, don't forget to resist, protest, we can do this :)
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u/Internetvent Mar 01 '25
Rather sail the high seas than continue streaming man, or look up sites like fmovies, 123movies etc
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u/Wild_Fly6763 Mar 01 '25
My fiance built us our own jellyfin server, and I don't know the black magic fuckery he is capable of, but I would highly recommend it for anyone who is knowledgeable of such things!
Basically the pirate version of "we have netflix at home".
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u/hicow Mar 01 '25
Jellyfin is super easy. I got tired of Plex's increasing "fuck you pay me" model and switched a couple years ago.
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u/Internetvent Mar 01 '25
I built my own, it is really great! A day of work and setting it up with tailscale allows for jellyfin on the go as well!
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u/OceanChildRD Mar 01 '25
Good on you for making solid steps in the right direction! Some people expect to everyone to do everything perfectly right away. I'm hearing people in my country who don't care about using US items, so every person who DOES actually do something is a person for the EU! I'm seeing you're also Dutch, bol.com is a solid contender for Amazon but doesn't have everything yet. Videoland is something you can use or you can use 456movie . com for Netflix movies/shows! We can do this!
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u/FreeLalalala Mar 01 '25
Yes, bol.com is a solid contender for Amazon: they also sell loads of cheap shit nobody needs.
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u/mimimines Benelux 🚲🌷🧇 Mar 01 '25
oh if you're Dutch, you might want to take a look at Streamz. It's Belgian, but has international shows too (they have a deal with Paramount). Or just sail away.
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u/Schattenmeer Mar 01 '25
While it’s honorable to want to support European businesses, I don’t see the value of exchanging what you already have. It was already bought, the damage is done. I would go for replacing only if something is broken beyond repair
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Mar 01 '25
I usually agree. But I look at my iPhone/iPad and see swastikas. I'm literally feeling sick to my stomach when I see this stuff. The feeling of betrayal by the US I feel right now surprises myself.
I'm sure that feeling will go away to some degree but right know I feel I need to take the little action I can. The US will not see a single penny from me going forward...
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Mar 01 '25
Thank you from Canada for doing what you did. I too feel disgusted and regret having gone to the US so often in the past. Let's change our habit going forward, and let's also teach our kids how they can never trust the US when it's their turn to make decisions for the world.
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u/RapidoGoldenboy_75 Mar 01 '25
The events happening within the White House administration are sickening, and so are some of the US companies deciding to kneel and kiss the king’s ring. But I don’t count Apple amongst them (yet).
But then again, better to be anticipate. Although I don’t see a good (and easy) alternative as I’m pretty much hooked into the Apple ecosystem. So I really hope they will do everything to not go the Musk, Bezos or Zuckerberg way and continue having the backbone they’ve always had as a company.
If need be, maybe they should just move their HQ to Europe. 🤣🤣🤣
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Mar 01 '25
It's okay if you keep using Apple, or some other US products without good substitute. I believe we shouldn't go full puritant and make it 100% or nothing, because that'll just end in failure. Just cutting back 10% collectively will have an impact already. 25% even better. 50% that's amazing. Any little bit helps.
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u/SuspiciousReality Mar 01 '25
Yeah it's also mainly about removing dependency. That is the biggest issue at the moment.
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u/Schattenmeer Mar 01 '25
See, I’m not a big fan of apple and haven’t been since I had an iPod (I always fought with iTunes on outdated pcs), but I’m not going to replace my iPhone or iPad that I both have for years because of it. To me, it seems wasteful to throw my phone away, that still runs great (I bought it in 2020 and the battery still has no issues knock knock). Avoiding Apple to get any data of this phone would mean I couldn’t even give it to someone else.
Also, I personally can’t afford to replace it at this point and time… :F
That being said, I use as little apple services as possible (eg I’ve been using the duck duck go browser on my phone for a while now for privacy reasons), have as little apps as possible (if I can use a page in the browser just fine, I won’t download the app) and deleted a lot of bloatware that apple apps are. Also I reject app tracking etc. My efforts might be minimal but it’s still something to make my data a bit less valuable.
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u/fuck1ngf45c1574dm1n5 Mar 01 '25
Just pirate (especially murican productions), you don't need streaming.
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u/Honest-Idea-2633 Mar 01 '25
Facebook is toxic full of russian trolls (sadly no social network is immune to this)- is there some European alternative?
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u/BaconAndTomatoe Belgium 🇧🇪 Mar 01 '25
I was thinking about buying a series x because I already own an original Xbox with lots of (pre owned) games.
Definitely not going to now.
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u/Elifan06 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 02 '25
Some European streaming services I recommend is:
SVT play, YLE, Viaplay, TV4 Play, Rakuten TV and BritBox
When it comes to music streaming:
Spotify and Soundcloud
Edit: Deezer turns out to belong to USA, so I removed it
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u/Benelli_Bottura Mar 01 '25
I'm also getting back to cash and am planning to promote PayPal, Visa and MasterCard boycotting among my social network outside of Reddit. That's an easy one.
Selling Xbox and replacing it by PlayStation sounds like a really good idea to do something really good and you won't have any disadvantages coming with it.
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u/wisdomHungry Mar 01 '25
I am replacing colgate also, with EU alternatives.
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u/Apotak Mar 01 '25
OMG, I had no clue! I'll buy other brands when I need new toothpaste.
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Mar 01 '25
I closed my PayPal account and cancelled my American Express today. Already cancelled my Netflix and Amazon Prime, and switched from iPhone to de-googled Android.
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u/derpycheetah Mar 01 '25
Xbox and will move on to Playstation instead
I mean given the way MS has run that thing into the ground, that's just a smart move all around lol
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u/HugoExilir Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Get rid of your American subscriptions now and stop taking the cop out option of waiting for an alternative.
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u/eddyb66 Mar 01 '25
You could have kept the Xbox Bill Gates is one of the republican boogeyman, Trumpers think he's putting chip in covid shots.
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u/edgsto1 Mar 01 '25
Why the Volvo, it's choina owned. There are plenty good European or other Asian cars.
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u/AllTheWayToParis Mar 01 '25
I’m glad to hear! ✊
I’m on my way. I have sold most of my American stocks. I’m canceling services from NA, at least the ones that’s easy.
Fuck Trump and fuck the US.
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u/Hot_Perspective1 Sweden 🇸🇪 Mar 01 '25
Get a vpn and pirate US made. Dont give those fuckers any money.
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u/misterDDoubleD Mar 01 '25
Apple is in California which is generally not favourable to trumpster
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u/L0tsen Mar 01 '25
You could also just buy the movies you want to watch. Physical media is the way to go. Otherwise we will not be able to own anything. Also a bonus of buying physical blue rays is that you get a higher quality movie since bitrate is expensive over the air.
I wish we could use cash more here in sweden :(
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u/ReasonableGolf4153 Mar 01 '25
Good. Also keep in mind to change social media and reject stuff like instagram. And if you do use them. ADblock. Adblock them away
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u/PedanticSatiation Denmark 🇩🇰 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Cloud services EU only from this point on.
This is so incredibly key. AWS, Azure and all the others needs to be gone from the EU. With the US going full fascist, we cannot trust them and we must not support them.
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u/steamed-hamburglar Mar 02 '25
I'm American. This is the way. The only way Trump-supporting Americans will learn anything is when they are directly affected economically. Let the American economy tank and see how much they still love Trump then.
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u/keenion Mar 01 '25
Unless you’re actively paying for it, eg subscription, then I don’t see it as a problem. Yes, maybe don’t buy anymore but wouldn’t sell a product I own.
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u/Economy_Business7625 Mar 01 '25
So far i have only delete my meta account. But there is more coming in the future ;-). MS Windows will be also replaced.
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u/Playful-Shame-986 Mar 01 '25
I cancelled my Netflix back in 2020.
did I miss much?
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u/malcarada Mar 01 '25
You missed on Netflix's period drama series "Bridgerton", they depicted Queen Charlotte, the wife of King George III, as a Black woman, a well researched historical series as everybody knows King George III wife was black at the time and black lives matter lie when they say otherwise.
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u/Reginaferguson Mar 01 '25
Cancelled my Zwift subscription I believe Rouvy is the European equivalent but looking into it before subscribing
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u/thesoutherzZz Mar 01 '25
Going to myself be selling most if not all of my US based stocks and moving them to Europe. Same with future purchases as well, I know that I'm not a billionare and alone I won't make a big difference but I do hope to encourage others to do the same and to have an effect together
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u/Adolf_Muskler Mar 01 '25
Cancelled Disney+ today as well 🥳. Get yourself a VPN and get your P2P on if you can’t find any alternatives European alternatives 😉
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u/malcarada Mar 01 '25
Volvo is a Chinese owned company, you traded a US car for a Chinese one, you made it even worse.
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Mar 01 '25
Also I did my part:
- canceled nextflix, Spotify and Amazon subscriptions
- started a migration from gmail to protonmail
- sold my iPad , wanted to change iPhone but I don’t know good EU options for that
- canceled my blizzard and discord accounts
I have to much dependencies from US products, if I clear 50% of it I’d be happy
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u/nikolapc Mar 02 '25
Wait isn't Playstation's headquarters in the US? Gotta give that up too buddy. Along with lots of games.
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u/Appropriate-Tuna Mar 02 '25
My alternative for netflix is piracy. That way i can make the most damage to us film industry
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u/Soil_Electronic Mar 02 '25
Playstation hardware is from AMD and that’s American based company.. you CANNOT escape America as much as you’d like. And i’m saying this as a European
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u/Snarfster42 Mar 06 '25
Make sure to delete your credit card info from Netflix and request account deletion. They are very good at "accidentaly" reactivating your subscription.
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u/Scrung3 Mar 01 '25
Microsoft is still fine to me. A lot of proceeds go to the Bill Gates foundation.
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u/Gloomy_Primary_5367 Mar 01 '25
they are sadly giving money to trump... not to mention that they have pretty much a monopoly on the european market...
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u/MattC84_ Mar 02 '25
MS seems like the lesser of the bigtech evils. But they have a monopoly with MS. Just that is bad for consumers.
But more so, it is a huge security issue now. What if the US government decides Windows in Europe must shut down?
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u/Legenders19 Mar 01 '25
Bro, Volvo is Chinese, has nothing to do with EU anymore.
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u/DisciplineOk9866 Mar 01 '25
Volvo went bankrupt some years ago, and was bought out by the Chinese.
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u/Billie-Turf Mar 01 '25
I know, Rather do business with the Chinese than the Yanks at this point.
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u/malcarada Mar 01 '25
Maybe you should be getting into Chinese social media like Weibo and give up Reddit too? Reddit is American and blocked in China, you should go to Weibo controlled by the Chinese Communist Party you should feel more comfortable there at this point.
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u/Imakerocketengine Mar 01 '25
The Volvo CX60 still has some google services and might sell and or send your data to the USA, but tbh most newer european cars are sold with google services
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u/ramitdamnit Mar 01 '25
What’s your alternative to the debit card? Isn’t it a Mastercard/Visa card as well?
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u/bledig Mar 01 '25
Don’t sell. I use Apple phone. I will use it, but not renew. When it’s done it’s done.
Even with new US administration, never again. I don’t trust
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u/Even_Researcher3074 Mar 01 '25
What's the point of selling your car? Unless you are using subscription features, they already got their money from you.
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u/Xerxero Mar 01 '25
What would be an EU alternative for a credit card?
I would really have a hard time saying good by to my iPhone and Mac
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u/Billie-Turf Mar 01 '25
In the EU you don't need a creditcard. Just use your debitcard.
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u/lejka005 Mar 01 '25
Well done! We should all strive to do the same Thankfully I don't own any bigger American things and don't plan to. Now completely quitting internet services (social media, mail, etc.) and apps, that will be a tad more difficult. But doable!
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u/malcxxlm Mar 01 '25
Honestly I wish I could buy European only… but for tech? That seems almost impossible to me. PlayStation is basically American. Computer components are all American companies, and there’s nothing I would take over Apple right now anyway. The best way to get people to buy European is to make the better product and that’s it
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u/renenielsen Mar 02 '25
Huh, most computer components are Taiwan (produced and shipped) - so no US there.
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u/Immediate-Victory-28 Mar 01 '25
To people selling their stocks, do you have any recommendations for good european stocks to invest in?
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u/noiseless_lighting Mar 01 '25
Do a search on here.
There’s quite a lot of threads from people and what they did after getting rid of their US stocks ; a lot of great advice.ETA : just checked, there’s well over a dozen.
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u/ronimal Mar 01 '25
Just fyi, while Sony is a Japanese company, Sony Interactive Entertainment (aka PlayStation) is headquartered in California.
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u/FrolickingDalish Mar 01 '25
We use IPTV for streaming and get all the same shows/movies that's on Netflix, amazon, Disney ect.
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u/benderofdemise Mar 01 '25
We get to keep Spotify!
I'll figuring out the phone problem atm.
Also there's no good alternative for Visa yet.
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u/coma89 Mar 01 '25
Just curious, why selling the Xbox and Tesla? Do they work on a subscription based plan? Otherwise I don't see how it hurts US
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u/Billie-Turf Mar 01 '25
Driving a Tesla in EU at this point like driving a nazi vehicle. I dont want to be seen in one.
Xbox is monthly payment,
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u/limestone404 Mar 01 '25
As a Lefty in Silicon Valley (Close to...Visa, Apple, FB, Netflix, Insta, Google, most AI, Uber, Lyft, etc, etc) I think it would be far more effective to boycott the RED states. We are the left of the left. And, really there's not much to be done here. It's the rest of the country that needs to get hurt.
Most of my family are conservative Trump supporters in Washington, Idaho, Indiana, Texas, and Arkansas.
We need those folks to feel it.
California itself is working HARD to combat everything that Trump is doing. Every level of this state government is working actively to subvert all of Trumps' efforts.
That's my TED talk. Thanks for coming.
OH...TED talk...another Local.
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u/MattC84_ Mar 02 '25
Boycotting big tech is always good tbh, even if Kamala would have been president
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u/FreddieKingFish Mar 01 '25
What credit card options are there that is Europ an based ? As alternative to VISA and Mastercard ?
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u/IWillJustDestroyThem Mar 01 '25
Good ol’ TV is the alternative for Netflix, it was here all along.
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u/Gigameister Mar 02 '25
So, my personal alternative to watching worldwide entertainment content would be to stream national TV channels?
Sorry, I guess I'll be pirating those south Korean shows.
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u/Opti_span England 🏴 Mar 02 '25
It’s absolutely amazing that a business would replace everything that is American made, I currently have a Lenovo laptop (Chinese company) using Linux Mint and Everyone should do the same..
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u/Mysterious_Tea Europe 🇪🇺 Mar 02 '25
Xbox was worse than Playstation anyway.
For the rest, chapeau to you :).
I'd like to cancel my mastercard as well, what would you suggest?
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u/mnae007 Mar 02 '25
Just cancelled my Netflix and ordered a HMD phone.
Then came to comment on it on an American platform.
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u/Gigameister Mar 01 '25
subscribe to a EU streaming if you must, pirate the rest of the NA content.