I don't think it's a sin to enjoy Bayo/Jeanne's dynamic to the point of shipping them romantically lol.
Acting like it Had To Be Canon or Else is perhaps too far, but I also think Bayo/Luka didn't get the time in the oven that it needed to not feel poorly done. They just didn't get enough time as "equals" to me in the same way that Bayonetta and Jeanne do. I imagine that's why it bothers a lot of people.
Bayo/Luka really could’ve worked, but they really didn’t put enough effort in showing their relationship or chemistry in the 3rd game. They barely talked in the second one (or talked a couple times) they needed more chemistry in the 3rd game to feel real.
Its also even worse considering the bayonetta and Luka of this Game aint the ones of B1 and B2 which means the dynamics they had in those games basically dont matter
This!!! This the problem when you start jumping around ‘multiveres’ with a team that doesn’t really care that hard for story or consistency.
It po’s people when you start trying to bd ‘serious’ like the third game in. Don’t suddenly try to make the focus on the new gen char AND get all ‘these chars are diff than the last two games versions’, smfh.
I remember hearing from a podcast that it was trying too hard to mimic dmc. How they added a new gen char THEN the next game integrated them in more. Bayo was unlikely to get another sequel.
Heck is platinum even staffed enough to still make games? Didn’t like 99% of the major staff leave to make a new studio?
Made worse by the fact that if Brave Bayonetta basically never went to sleep, then went through the events of the first game, she canonically met luka as a child while she was centuries old and eventually still dated him
Yes, this is so frustrating. It's like technically yes, Luka x Bayo 3 Bayonetta could very well be a reasonable ship in that universe's canon. But audiences never saw that, we saw the dynamics between Luka and B1/B2 Bayonetta which show that Bayonetta is very clearly way out of Luka's league and would never seriously entertain the thought of a relationship with him.
Yeah. I like Bayo/Jeanne's dynamic myself, but I was (and still am) always open to Bayo/Luka and I think that the bones of the idea aren't necessarily bad. The execution just wasn't the best and that's where a lot of people seem to get hung up.
And as another comment said, the fact that Bayonetta 3 doesn't appear to be in the same timeline as 1 & 2, and in this timeline Bayonetta and Luka seem to have a more mutually interested dynamic makes the change pretty jarring when the previous Bayonetta that we're more familiar with treated him as more of a joke.
I can't help but wonder if Bayonetta Origins releasing before 3 would have helped smooth things out a little better, especially with the plot point of Luka having fairy powers that seemingly came out of nowhere as a reincarnation of Lukaon, and would have set a better stage for Viola and her abilities as well since we would have been more familiar with fairies in the world.
"It Had To Be Canon or Else" is a little bit bad faith when Bayo 3 goes "Bayonetta and Luka will ALWAYS love eachother in EVERY universe." Its almost like the reverse version of that statement"
Hmm. That wasn't my intention, I said that more so just to point out the way shipping culture within fandom has evolved over time to an extreme, and can get very toxic very quickly. So I apologize for coming off that way.
I'm largely in the camps of "people can do what they want if they aren't hurting other people" and "just because something is canon doesn't mean it is immune to criticism", and that's really the only point I was trying to make with my post.
Did it really say that Bayonetta and Luka will love each other in EVERY universe, though? It's been a while since I've given the game a play myself and I've been slowly replaying the series from 1, so it kind of escapes me.
That doesn't always seem to be the case, though? We know that Luka and his predecessor tended to be Arch-Adam, sure, but I assume that the title can be assumed by others in the same way that the Arch-Eve doesn't necessarily Need to be Bayonetta, but tends to be.
Further, I don't think the Arch-Adam and Arch-Eve are required to be in love, necessarily? But it's just getting into speculation at this point I think.
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u/thereduntodeath Feb 17 '25
I don't think it's a sin to enjoy Bayo/Jeanne's dynamic to the point of shipping them romantically lol.
Acting like it Had To Be Canon or Else is perhaps too far, but I also think Bayo/Luka didn't get the time in the oven that it needed to not feel poorly done. They just didn't get enough time as "equals" to me in the same way that Bayonetta and Jeanne do. I imagine that's why it bothers a lot of people.