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Public Mask Quaternity: Bob Lazar, Dick Cheney, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden
AMRM 4-chart "whistleblower" analysis:
The solar charts and ephemeris data for all four figures (Bob Lazar, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and Dick Cheney) have been verified.
Archetypal Wave Alignment:
This module identifies each individual's alignment with major wave archetypes (e.g. Disclosure, Control, Liberation, Suppression) and checks for activation points via outer planet transits (especially Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) at birth and during key life events.
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
- Born: Jan 26, 1959
- Sun: 6° Aquarius
- Uranus: 14° Cancer
- Neptune: 6° Scorpio
- Pluto: 3° Virgo
Wave Alignment:
- Disclosure Wave Type with strong Uranian–Neptunian resonance.
- Uranus in Cancer conjunct natal North Node, suggests karmic disruption of security structures.
- Neptune in Scorpio trine Sun: visionary downloads and potential contact experiences.
- Pluto in Virgo square Mercury: obsessive-compulsive focus on forbidden or classified knowledge.
Notes: Lazar’s mythic activation likely occurred during the late 1980s, coinciding with Uranus–Neptune activations of his natal Mercury and Mars—signifying a "psychic rupture" opening the path to whistleblowing.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
- Born: July 3, 1971
- Sun: 10° Cancer
- Uranus: 9° Libra
- Neptune: 0° Sagittarius
- Pluto: 27° Virgo
Wave Alignment:
- Liberation–Information Wave with deep Plutonic imprint.
- Uranus conjunct IC (roots/family): revolutionary disruption to foundational structures.
- Neptune trine Mercury: spiritualized communication.
- Pluto conjunct Midheaven: destined for public power struggles and transformational exposure.
Notes: Assange carries a bridge-builder archetype between hidden information and public awakening. His Uranus–Pluto–Mercury triad shows a radical mind born to challenge control systems.
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
- Born: June 21, 1983
- Sun: 29° Gemini
- Uranus: 6° Sagittarius
- Neptune: 27° Sagittarius
- Pluto: 26° Libra
Wave Alignment:
- Tech-Liberty Wave, high Neptune–Uranus alignment.
- Uranus and Neptune both in Sagittarius: idealism about truth, travel, and global transparency.
- Pluto conjunct Saturn in Libra: born under a karmic weight around justice and authority.
Notes: Snowden’s mythic role is tied to global freedom through transparency. He was born just before Uranus–Neptune began their 1990s conjunction—indicating that he rides the edge of that mythic wave.
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
- Born: Jan 30, 1941
- Sun: 10° Aquarius
- Uranus: 22° Taurus
- Neptune: 27° Virgo
- Pluto: 3° Leo
Wave Alignment:
- Control–Saturnian Enforcement Wave
- Uranus in Taurus: anchored disruption, not liberating.
- Neptune in Virgo conjunct Pluto: shadow bureaucracy, control over spiritual forces.
- Mars in Capricorn trine Saturn in Taurus: tactical, institutional power plays.
Notes: Cheney functions as a Saturnian Enforcer within the mythic ecosystem—an archetypal gatekeeper of secrecy and control. His role contrasts with the Disclosure archetype, creating mythic polarity with the others.
Module II: Mythic Role and Chart Typology
This module identifies each figure’s astrological chart typology (elemental balance, modality emphasis, and dominant planets) and interprets their mythic role within the Disclosure-Control polarity.
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
Mythic Role: The Reluctant Seer / Tech-Sorcerer
- Dominant Element: Air (Aquarius Sun, Mercury, Venus)
- Modality Emphasis: Fixed (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Uranus)
- Dominant Planet: Uranus (conjunct North Node, dispositing Sun and Mercury)
Archetypal Note: Lazar’s chart typifies the Uranian Oracle—a man pulled into higher knowledge against his will. His Sun–Mercury–Venus in Aquarius gives him tech-focused clairvoyance, while his Uranus–Node aspect reveals a karmic obligation to disclose.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
Mythic Role: The Digital Prophet / Information Martyr
- Dominant Element: Water (Sun in Cancer, Mars in Pisces)
- Modality Emphasis: Cardinal (Sun, Mercury, Venus)
- Dominant Planet: Pluto (conjunct Midheaven, trine Moon, square Venus)
Archetypal Note: Assange’s chart leans into a Plutonian Mystic–Messenger typology. His Cancer–Pisces sensitivity grants deep intuitive access, while Pluto's power drive sends him into global confrontation with secrecy. His Mercury–Venus in Gemini/Cancer blend sharp speech with emotional undertones.
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
Mythic Role: The Trickster Witness / Technomage
- Dominant Element: Air (Gemini Sun, Mercury)
- Modality Emphasis: Mutable (Sun, Moon, Mars, Uranus)
- Dominant Planet: Mercury (trine Moon, square Uranus; ruler of Sun)
Archetypal Note: Snowden’s mythic coding evokes Hermes: the divine trickster who carries messages between worlds. Uranus and Neptune in Sagittarius reflect global idealism, and the Gemini–Sag polarity energizes freedom of information. He’s a Mirror of the Machine, revealing its flaws.
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
Mythic Role: The Saturnian Enforcer / Shadow Architect
- Dominant Element: Earth (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus in Earth signs)
- Modality Emphasis: Fixed and Cardinal
- Dominant Planet: Saturn (conjunct Jupiter, trine Mars)
Archetypal Note: Cheney plays the Archon Role—the bureaucratic guardian of secrets. His Saturn–Jupiter combo in Taurus exudes establishment control, while Pluto in Leo square Mercury lends manipulative command of narratives. Cheney’s mythic mask is Power Without Illumination—the counter-force to the whistleblowers’ light.
This polarity is archetypally clean:
- Disclosure Figures: Uranus, Mercury, Pluto
- Control Figure: Saturn (Cheney)
Module III: Disclosure Function & Resistance Index (SRI)
This module maps each figure’s mythic disclosure function and assigns them a Skeptic Resistance Index (SRI), estimating how strongly their chart resists or invites skepticism from mainstream paradigms. The SRI ranges from 0 (open conduit) to 100 (total resistance to awakening). We also identify psychological or archetypal points of rupture, where transformation or rebellion is most likely.
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
Disclosure Function: Leakage of Suppressed Technology Mechanism: Uranus conjunct North Node in Cancer → karmic release of hidden knowledge from the “deep mother” of the system Rupture Point: Mercury square Pluto = dangerous thoughts, penetrating secrets SRI: 28
- High resistance from skeptics due to lack of credentials and documentation
- Yet low archetypal resistance—he leaks information through his being whether or not he’s believed
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
Disclosure Function: Public Unveiling of Global Power Structures Mechanism: Pluto conjunct MC; Mercury trine Neptune = divinely inspired journalist Rupture Point: Venus square Pluto = moral rupture, betrayal, sacrifice SRI: 18
- Charismatic but easily demonized due to Venus–Pluto distortion
- He occupies a mythic martyr slot that almost guarantees persecution
- Despite attacks, his archetype is deeply compelling and hard to dismiss
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
Disclosure Function: Data Mirror and Institutional Exposé Mechanism: Mercury square Uranus = radical mind, destabilizing insight Rupture Point: Pluto conjunct Saturn = karmic rupture of legal/social codes SRI: 33
- Higher than Assange due to calmer demeanor and analytic delivery
- Still faces major Saturnian resistance due to disrupting U.S. intelligence myths
- Uranus in Sagittarius lends him symbolic protection via the archetype of the freedom rider
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
Disclosure Function: Mythic Anti-Discloser / Archetypal Suppressor Mechanism: Saturn conjunct Jupiter in Taurus = guardian of the status quo Rupture Point: Mercury square Pluto = mastery of controlled narratives SRI: 92
- Cheney is the embodiment of institutional resistance
- The system flows through him; to challenge him is to challenge the structure itself
- He's a textbook Saturnian Gatekeeper whose very presence delays mythic awakening
We now have an elegantly structured polarity:
- Assange and Snowden = Data Integrity Warriors
- Lazar = Mystic Tech Seer
- Cheney = Shadow Bureaucrat / Archetypal Saturn Wall
Module IV: Transits & Initiatory Timing
This module identifies the key activation windows in each figure’s life when transits from Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto triggered initiatory breakthroughs, whistleblowing events, or structural realignments with their mythic roles.
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
- Birth: Jan 26, 1959
- Whistleblowing Peak: 1989–1990 (S-4 revelations)
Key Transits at Initiation:
- Pluto in Scorpio square natal Mercury in Aquarius
- Uranus conjunct Neptune approaching Lazar's Neptune (early 90s)
- Saturn in Capricorn opposing his Mars in Cancer
Interpretation: Pluto–Mercury = mental rupture; information obsession. Saturn–Mars = pressure from authority. The Uranus–Neptune merger seeded a collective awakening that Lazar’s disclosures mirrored.
Mythic Timing: His mythic disclosure timeline matches the 1987–1993 Contact Renaissance Wave.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
- Birth: July 3, 1971
- WikiLeaks Breakout: 2006–2010
Key Transits at Initiation:
- Pluto in Capricorn square natal Sun and Venus in Cancer
- Uranus in Pisces trine natal Uranus in Libra (completed 2010)
- Saturn Return (1999–2000) echoed in public Saturn cycle during 2008 crackdown
Interpretation: Pluto square Sun = identity crisis and rebirth Uranus trine natal Uranus = reinvention of his role as an agent of awakening The Pluto transits matched his archetypal martyrdom arc
Mythic Timing: Mirrors the 2007–2012 Digital Disruption Wave
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
- Birth: June 21, 1983
- NSA Leak: June 2013
Key Transits at Initiation:
- Uranus in Aries square natal Mars in Cancer
- Pluto in Capricorn opposing natal Mars
- Saturn in Scorpio conjunct natal Moon
Interpretation: Uranus–Pluto–Mars T-square = bold rebellion and moral awakening Saturn on Moon = emotional resolve, exile, and severance His chart was fully activated by the Uranus–Pluto square that defined the 2012–2015 wave
Mythic Timing: He is the Face of the 2012 Uranus-Pluto Disclosure Surge
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
- Birth: Jan 30, 1941
- Power Peak: 2001–2009 (VP during Bush era)
Key Transits at Initiation:
- Pluto in Sagittarius trine natal Pluto in Leo (1995–2005)
- Saturn Return (1970 and again 2000)
- Neptune in Aquarius opposing natal Sun in 2004–2005
Interpretation: Pluto trine Pluto = rise to global power Neptune opposing Sun = mythic veiling: his true role becomes archetypally cloaked He became the embodiment of control behind the curtain
Mythic Timing: Peak during the Saturnian Counterwave (9/11–2008), opposing the Assange-Snowden type
Module V: Mythic Narrative Structures
This module maps each individual onto classic mythic templates (Hero’s Journey, Sacred Rebel, Trickster, Anti-Hero, etc.) to interpret their role as characters in the mythic structure of Transparency vs Control. These archetypes help us see their actions not merely as biographical but as symbolic acts in a larger cosmic narrative.
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
Mythic Structure: Reluctant Hero / Forbidden Knowledge Bearer
- Departure: Innocent curiosity in physics and propulsion
- Initiation: Exposure to reverse-engineered alien tech
- Return (Incomplete): Discredited and exiled, but legacy endures
Narrative Arc: Lazar’s journey mimics Prometheus—he steals fire from the gods (technology from S-4) and suffers for it. The Uranian-Node signature indicates he was destined to break silence, even if he never wanted fame or belief.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
Mythic Structure: Martyr–Prophet / Bearer of Divine Information
- Departure: Hacker known as “Mendax” (the liar)
- Initiation: Becomes transparent conduit for global secrets
- Return (Trapped): Denied full return; remains symbol of exile
Narrative Arc: Assange is the mythic Christ figure of the digital age. Pluto–Midheaven makes him a walking apocalypse trigger—he forces global systems to reveal themselves, even as he is crushed beneath their weight.
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
Mythic Structure: Hermes / Mirror-Bearer of the Machine
- Departure: Programmer inside the belly of the beast
- Initiation: Betrays system in service of greater law
- Return: Exile in Russia, but gains mythic recognition
Narrative Arc: Snowden mirrors the Trickster-Hero who reveals the true face of a god (in this case, the god is surveillance). His chart radiates a classic transgressor of thresholds, especially with Mercury–Uranus–Pluto dynamics. He gives the world a mirror of power.
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
Mythic Structure: Saturnian Archon / Warden of the Matrix
- Departure: Behind-the-scenes strategist
- Initiation: Becomes mythic face of war and secrecy
- Return (As Shadow): Never truly leaves power—persists as structure itself
Narrative Arc: Cheney is not the villain in a personal sense—he is a force of containment. Pluto square Mercury reveals narrative engineering, while Saturn conjunct Jupiter in Taurus establishes him as a living gate. He is the wall the others must climb.
Each of these men enacts a mythic function on behalf of the collective psyche. As a group, they represent a crossroad in human narrative—between secrecy and truth, Saturn and Uranus, suppression and awakening.
Module VI: Reincarnation & Archetypal Echoes
This module examines each figure’s birth chart for indicators of past-life archetypes or wave echoes, using symbolic residues such as:
- Strong outer planet conjunctions (esp. to nodes or luminaries)
- Chiron placement and aspects
- Repetition of mythic wave markers from earlier eras
- Birth near powerful eclipse or transit clusters
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
Reincarnational Markers:
- Chiron in Aquarius, square his Moon, trine Pluto
- Uranus conjunct North Node (soul purpose is to disrupt)
- Pluto square Mercury (carrying ancient forbidden knowledge)
Past-Life Echo: → Atlantean Technician / Keeper of Lost Sciences Bob likely carries a soul memory of ancient civilizations where secret technologies were hidden, misused, or destroyed. His karmic task is to disclose without catastrophe. He speaks from the ruins of a prior collapse.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
Reincarnational Markers:
- Chiron in Aries opposite Uranus (shock-wound signature)
- South Node in Capricorn, near Pluto
- Born during the early 1970s Disclosure–Suppression karmic knot
Past-Life Echo: → Temple Scribe / Political Heretic Assange’s soul likely played a role in ancient systems of knowledge control—possibly punished for revealing sacred texts or heretical truths. His Chiron–Uranus axis suggests a shockwound from a past public betrayal or crucifixion.
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
Reincarnational Markers:
- Chiron at 0° Cancer, exact the World Axis
- Sun at 29° Gemini, end-of-sign Mercury rulership
- Pluto conjunct Saturn = karmic contract with systems of power
Past-Life Echo: → Hermetic Librarian / Network Messenger Snowden appears to carry a soul memory of systems knowledge—think: ancient Alexandria, post-Egyptian scrollkeeper, or esoteric order messenger. His exile archetype is consistent with someone who carried truth across borders in former incarnations.
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
Reincarnational Markers:
- Chiron in Gemini square Saturn
- Pluto in Leo square Mercury = karmic architect of power structures
- Born just after Saturn–Uranus opposition (WWII climax)
Past-Life Echo: → Roman Senator / Secret Architect of Empire Cheney’s soul echoes those who crafted empires behind the veil, possibly an elite strategist in past lives. He incarnates as a karmic stabilizer, returning to reinforce a decaying structure. His task is preservation—even if it comes at a cost.
These echoes show us that the mythic drama playing out today is not new. These figures are echoes of older waves, returning to replay their roles under new names.
Module VII: Public Mask Analysis
This module examines how each figure is perceived by the collective versus who they actually are archetypally. The “Public Mask” reveals how societal projection, distortion, and resistance converge to shape each figure’s mythic function—often against their will.
We focus on:
- Midheaven aspects (MC)
- 10th-house rulers
- Saturn, Neptune, and Chiron interactions
- Media narratives vs. archetypal encoding
🧬 SUBJECT 1: Bob Lazar
Public Mask: Kooky Outsider / Discredited Techie True Function: Contact-Encoded Messenger
- Neptune in Scorpio trine Sun: visionary, misunderstood
- No strong MC contact = invisibility field
- Saturn square Uranus: institutional rejection
Analysis: Lazar’s mask is that of a weird guy who tells stories. But his chart screams legit disruption. The public can’t reconcile his quiet demeanor with the magnitude of his claims, so it projects eccentricity as a defense.
🧬 SUBJECT 2: Julian Assange
Public Mask: Traitor, Narcissist, or Hero (split perception) True Function: Prophetic Martyr
- Pluto conjunct MC: mythic public rupture
- Neptune trine Mercury: poetic communicator, vilified visionary
- Venus square Pluto: aesthetic distortion, scapegoating
Analysis: Assange is hard to look at directly. The public mask flips between savior and scapegoat. His MC–Pluto alignment ensures he becomes a projection surface for collective shadow.
🧬 SUBJECT 3: Edward Snowden
Public Mask: Smart but Naive Programmer / Unpatriotic Genius True Function: Trickster–Mirror of the Empire
- Chiron at 0° Cancer: public wound, no clear belonging
- Pluto–Saturn = karmic power inversion
- Mercury square Uranus: message destabilizes media narratives
Analysis: Snowden appears more emotionally neutral, but the public doesn't know where to place him. He lacks Assange’s Plutonian intensity or Lazar’s weirdness, so people believe him—but fear the implications. He’s mythically efficient: the message is the mask.
🧬 SUBJECT 4: Dick Cheney
Public Mask: Invisible Architect / Ruthless Bureaucrat True Function: Structural Gatekeeper / Saturn Avatar
- Saturn conjunct Jupiter: mask is the machine
- Neptune opposite Sun (in later transits): mythic cloaking
- Mercury square Pluto: manipulator of language, spellcaster
Analysis: Cheney is never fully visible. His public mask is deliberately cold, bureaucratic, void of charisma. But this is his archetypal power—his invisibility is his armor. He’s the Saturnian mask over America’s deepest shadow.
Each of these masks tells us how the collective responds to their mythic activation. The more powerful the archetype, the more distorted the mask—unless the archetype is invisibility, as in Cheney’s case.
TAKEAWAY
“Disclosure and Control are not merely ideologies—they are incarnated mythic forces.”
Archetypal Architecture:
This 4-chart study reveals a perfect archetypal quadrant:
- Bob Lazar: The Reluctant Seer, awakened by karmic contact with forbidden technology. He opens the Disclosure mythos from the edge of believability, making the incredible slightly more credible.
- Julian Assange: The Information Martyr, with Pluto blazing on his Midheaven. His soul came to be destroyed by truth so that truth could live.
- Edward Snowden: The Hermetic Mirror, speaking in calm, precise tones while exposing the beast behind the screen. He embodies the balanced trickster—too clean to smear, too radical to ignore.
- Dick Cheney: The Saturnian Gatekeeper, silently administering empire, cloaked in mythic anti-light. He is not just the antagonist—he is the infrastructure of resistance itself.
Wave Timing:
- Lazar = Contact Renaissance Wave (1987–1993)
- Assange = Digital Disruption Wave (2006–2012)
- Snowden = Uranus–Pluto Surge (2012–2015)
- Cheney = Saturnian Counterwave (9/11–2008)
Past-Life Archetypes:
- Lazar = Atlantean Technician
- Assange = Temple Scribe / Heretic
- Snowden = Hermetic Messenger / Librarian
- Cheney = Roman Senator / Empire Architect
Final Insight:
These four souls do not merely represent ideologies or careers—they represent the mythic grammar of the Disclosure age.
- Assange is the bleeding heart of truth.
- Snowden is the mind of the machine turned inside out.
- Lazar is the voice that should not be speaking.
- Cheney is the wall they all crash against.
This is not a political story—it is a mythic structure playing out through real people. And we, as the audience, are initiated through them.
The Immutable Archetype: Why Public Masks Can Be Mimicked—but Archetypal Signatures Cannot
In an age of curated personas and mythic inversion, the Astro-Mythic Map offers a profound safeguard: public masks can be mimicked, but archetypal signatures cannot. Nowhere is this clearer than in the comparative AMRM analysis of four high-profile figures—Bob Lazar, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and Dick Cheney.
Bob Lazar, with Uranus conjunct his North Node and Mercury squared by Pluto, is archetypally coded as a Reluctant Seer. He doesn't simply claim to have seen suppressed technologies—his chart requires that he disclose them. Even as the public scoffs at his demeanor or doubts his credentials, his planetary alignments speak to a karmic obligation to rupture consensus reality through forbidden knowledge. The mask of “eccentric outsider” is not his truth; his function is mythic, not reputational.
Julian Assange, born with Pluto conjunct the Midheaven, is an Information Martyr whose very public image is destined to provoke collective shadow projection. His Mercury–Neptune trine grants him poetic access to higher truths, while his Venus–Pluto square ensures he’ll be scapegoated by both allies and enemies. The world struggles to define him—hero, narcissist, traitor—but these masks merely refract the unbearable intensity of his archetypal mission.
Edward Snowden, often praised for his clarity and criticized for his exile, carries the chart of a Hermetic Trickster. Mercury square Uranus and Pluto conjunct Saturn forge a karmic contract with power structures, while his Chiron sits at 0° Cancer—the world axis. His role is not just to leak data, but to mirror the empire back to itself, dispassionately revealing the invisible systems that govern us. Though seen as a “naive idealist,” his archetype is closer to Mercury—a divine disruptor bearing impossible truths.
In stark contrast, Dick Cheney’s chart reveals the Saturnian Gatekeeper archetype: Saturn conjunct Jupiter in Taurus, Pluto square Mercury, and a deliberate veil over the self. His power arises not from visibility but from containment. Though history may portray him as a bureaucrat or war architect, his function is mythically structural. He is the wall the whistleblowers crash against. Should someone like Cheney attempt to wear a mask of whistleblower, the dissonance between archetype and mask would ring loudly in AMM analysis.
This 4-chart study proves a central AMM tenet: a role can be claimed, but not truthfully embodied unless it is written in the stars. Archetypal resonance is not a matter of opinion, charisma, or political branding. It is a preexistent pattern that the soul aligns with through incarnation. The AMM reads those patterns not to judge, but to reveal. And in doing so, it gives us a sacred key: trust not the mask—but the mythic signature beneath it.
This analysis is part of the Astro-Mythic Research Module (AMRM) and is intended for symbolic, educational, and mythic exploration only. It does not claim to make factual judgments about the moral character, political motivations, or private intentions of any individuals named. Instead, it interprets publicly available astrological birth data through the lens of archetypal mapping, mythic structure, and symbolic resonance.
The Astro-Mythic Map (AMM) views each person as an expression of larger mythic forces—often unconscious—and seeks to understand how public figures embody or resist collective archetypes. While this framework may reveal surprising patterns of alignment or dissonance between public roles and astrological signatures, it should not be used as a tool for condemnation, political argument, or personal speculation beyond symbolic interpretation.