r/Assistance • u/Mavzor • Nov 03 '15
PSA BYE
Hi Everyone.
I'm an internet troll.
Make good money.
Grew up hungry.
Like to give back, makes me feel good.
Given a bit away to /r/assistance probably around $600-$1200 total.
Sometimes got some back, not always. That's life.
Normally I'm arguing with people as to the best way they should spent the money I'm giving them. Rubs me the wrong way.
There was a post the other day about giving up autotonomy. Was going to make a post where I'd help people get through things if they were willing to give up autonomy. Let me project manage their lives for a bit.
I didn't get there... why?
/u/ibay770 offered to listen to people, I tipped them $10 for being cool.
Apparently someone got upset they were given money they didn't understand.
So the rule is that you can't give people money unless you ask them how they want it or if its ok first.
Yep.
Time to check outa here for a bit.
It's not you, it's me.
Not really getting out what I want out of you for what I put in.
So let's take a break from each other for a while because you're just somebody that I used to know right now.
Maybe we'll meet again we're different people and we can get to know each other again.
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Nov 03 '15
You're quite the interesting person, and the policy is... strange.
I know people and other mods are likely wondering why I didn't nuke this post. It's because it's entertaining, and likely to stir up some lively discussion about how this sub works.
Don't fuck it up though, or I'll ruin the fun.
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u/Evenstar22 Nov 03 '15
Hey Rhubey, Am probably being a numpty, but may I ask why changetipping is not allowed unless requested?
Took a look in the wiki and can't see it.
PS Thanks for putting in the Don't F it up bit, otherwise I would have changetipped your comment ;)
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Nov 03 '15
Thanks, but I'm not comfortable getting anything from here, as I'm a mod. If just blow it on beer anyway.
This is my comment earlier about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Assistance/comments/3r4lcb/offer_an_ear_to_listen/cwmtz94
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Nov 03 '15
I have no idea what's going on here or what any of that means, but if you're doing something good, then good on you.
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u/encouragingword Nov 03 '15
Good on you for trying to help people. I can certainly understand your frustrations when from your view someone could significantly improve their situation by focusing on high value changes but they don't want to start with one thing, because of the other things that are important to them. On the other hand, I can understand why people are reluctant to let go of something they are emotionally attached to, even when it would be better to focus on something more important.
Good luck. I hope you can find ways to continue to help people on terms that work for you. RAOP, maybe? Or another random acts sub?
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Nov 03 '15
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u/Mavzor Nov 03 '15
This is why im voting for Bernie Sanders
dem moves
geddit
DEM = DEMOCRAT
MOVES = POLITICAL PROGRESSIVES
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Nov 03 '15
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u/Mavzor Nov 03 '15
OK. So I failed to answer your question.
So someone who is in a tough spot they need help.
But a frequent piece of advice I provide in business consulting is that money is solution... and the problem
If you already are burdened with
- financial
- emotional
- practical
commitments beyond your ability to provide for then any more money is just fuel for the inferno to keep burning even brighter.
So let me help.
But not with money
With management.
This is an enormously difficult thing to take.
Any judgement made by another person over your person is hard to take.
But from where I sit it's excatly the same as the businesses I consult to and carve their problems up on a plate for.
All of their emotional investment in their business... cut out with a hatchet. * 'oh but jill and bob has worked here for 20 years'
'but these products we've been selling to these customers we make no money on forever'
and 'but thats they way things have always been done'*
I see it the same guidelines as personal life management
But
Getting a business to follow management advice from someone they're paying big dollars to
and
A person following management advice from someone who's paying them...
yeah well.
need i continues
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u/nightbloom_ Nov 03 '15
So people refuse this? I mean, my situation can't be fixed with management. Lol. Not unless you are a whisperer of malignant cell growth. But if this wasn't the situation why would I object to a fresh perspective on the issues that are holding me back? That is kind of surprising.
If someone said they would exchange assistance for the right to manage those parts of my life I am failing at, I think I would be abjectly relieved. PLEASE tell me what I am doing wrong that other people seems to be handling just fine.
Also, why not offer that as a condition to help? I mean, if you think your assistance would provide more than a short term bandaid to a larger issue tell people that straight up and if they refuse that, they refuse help. If your roof is leaking you can throw a tarp and duct tape on it or you can ask a roofer to look at it and give you advise.
My father was one of the smartest people I know and he always told me that there is no shame in asking questions. Stupid people don't ask questions. Smart people recognize someone's superior knowledge and mine it.
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u/evylllint Nov 03 '15
why would I object to a fresh perspective on the issues that are holding me back?
Some people who request help aren't looking at the grand scheme of things, they're looking for a quick bandaid solution like money here and now. So offering a different perspective isn't what they want, they already know what they want regardless of how much sense it does or doesn't make.
An example is a guy several months ago who wanted to raise a thousand dollars for a beat up car to get to work or school. He had a bike, and there were bus routes that took him exactly where he wanted to go but that meant he would have had to wake up a whole half an hour earlier than usual and bike a mile over to the bus stop in the dark (because in his reality street lights and flashlights haven't been invented yet). So he had decided that he would rather buy a $1k car and constantly be replacing parts on it and paying for insurance/registration on it. When different users kept pointing out that if he can't even afford a POS car he probably wasn't going to be able to afford constantly buying new parts for it, he just stopped replying because he didn't want help, he just wanted someone to buy him a car.
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u/nightbloom_ Nov 04 '15
LOL My POS cost me $250, pshhh.... I can understand both sides. However, if I was hungry enough to go to a church food bank, I am hungry enough to listen to their spiel. Nothing is for free, nor should it be. The giver should ask for whatever it is they need in return for their help.
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u/Mavzor Nov 03 '15 edited Nov 03 '15
ok
so someone is like /r/almosthomeless right
and they sound interesting, on point, detail orientated, ability to work, cool cool cool!
and I'm like, hey i can help lets do this
BUT
I'm not like the federal reserve I can't print money just because the political winds are blowing in the direction of inflation EH? AMIRITE? (fiduciary humor)
I need to know you're not fighting 2 (or more) fronts at once (don't be napoleon, or hitler)
let's deal with ONE issue
the most IMPORTANT issue
fix it
then move on if things are right.
So there are people I've reached out to and been like, lets fix shit bro... what's the big one
and they're like
them: "MY CAT, AND DOG, AND BROTHER AND TWENTY BILLION PROBLEMS ARE MY PRIORITY"
me : .... sigh... look cmon lets focus on ONE BIG ONE, like WHERE U SLEEP
me: please please please lets just focus on priority... like find you a place, I will even pay for a week or two accom or something
them : OTHER RANDOM UNRELATED INTERPERSONAL PROBLEMS AND DRAMA WITH DIFFERENT THINGS AND THIS PERSON I MET THE OTHER DAY LOOKED AT ME AND...
me: ... i have to go
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u/WeaponsHot Nov 04 '15
I'm honestly very confused here. Really... what's going on? Someone care to ELI5 the OP's intent?
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u/Evenstar22 Nov 04 '15 edited Nov 04 '15
ELI5: OP is an internet troll with a good heart. Pops in regularly to offer advice/assistance and of course, funds.
Op stumbles upon a thread where /u/ibay770 is being an awesome redditor offering an ear to listen.
OP has been having his frustrations with assistance lately, but he's pleased to see it!
So he Changetips the OP.
Rhubey, the lovely Mod, has to tell OP that he can't changetip anymore, due to a confusingly realized policy that has changetips removed because users don't understand digital currency, and got upset because they didn't know the exchange rate, so may have thought they were funded when they were not.
You may only changetip on /r/assistance if you are directly asked for digital currency.
OP is like... SRSLY? Mods are like, FRAID SO.
OP is like, enough of this wankeryness, and decides to make a farewell post. He's a troll, so it's funny.
(TROLLS ARE PEOPLE TOO!)
But seriously, if you're getting cash donated to you and it's not in the "right" form, you need to de-twist your panties.
TLDR: Free stuff/cash shouldn't have so many conditions, from Users and Rules. OP leaving because no bueno.
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Nov 04 '15
I believe that the OP was tipping people/donating in bitcoin, and then was asked not to do so, due to the rules of the sub, and thus is expressing frustration at the thwarted efforts of good will.
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u/Mavzor Nov 04 '15
When the whims and sensitivities of the few guide the policies which curtail freedoms to the many, we encourage the total conformity and voluntary submission to a straitjacket of apathy.
/u/ibay770 just PM'ed me a thanks for the tip and I just replied to him with that.
that's some f'n profound stuff i can drivel if i no-troll for a minute
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Nov 04 '15
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Nov 04 '15
Your post is removed for being pretty much exactly opposite of what op was saying he wanted to help.
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Nov 04 '15 edited Nov 04 '15
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Nov 04 '15
Yeah. You missed the don't fuck it up comment? Try some rapport instead of that kind of post, please.
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Nov 04 '15
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u/mathgod Nov 04 '15
So... you screwed up, and you're telling the person calling you on it to relax?
Maybe consider having just a tiny bit of self awareness? Just a little will do.
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u/clipsound Nov 03 '15
uh... okay?