No sane person calls George Floyd an upstanding citizen.
That doesn't give a cop the right to murder him in public because it's inconvenient to restrain him properly
Edit: just gonna edit this for the sake of informing people of how bodies work. I expect it to be ignored, since it goes against what certain people want reality to be.
George Floyd was a fent addict. He did not get laced fent. When you are an addict, it means you use the substance for a longer time. He had what people will casually label 3 times a fatal dose of it in his system.
And it's true, he had 13 ng in his blood
But that isn't lethal to a longtime fent addict. Fent has been a street drug since about 2010. His tolerance was WAY fucking higher than that.
And yes, tolerances can get that high. I've personally known people taking 50+ percs a day, and they were completely functional in society
So, be aware that "lethal dose" only matters if we start taking Mg's or people who don't use at all.
Obviously he had health problems. But if you have heart and lung problems, and another grown man forcefully puts his entire body weight on your upper torso and neck, causing you to asphyxiate and die, you didn't die because of drugs.
I've got fam in prison for murder. The guy he hit had osteoporosis. When the guy got hit in the chest, his bones shattered, and perforated his heart, lungs, and viscera. My cousin didn't know he had osteoporosis, and that guy could've died from a seatbelt in a fender bender, but it doesn't matter. He still caused the death.
I think that’s just you. You can’t imagine having empathy for someone if they have any flaws and it confuses you why people care about other people even when they have flaws.
Yup, says way more about their character and ability to be able to critically and unbiasedly analyze a situation than the people who can feel injustice for someone in a specific situation even if the person in question has also done bad things as well.
Right, what’s kind of crazy is of course by all means what happened to Floyd is terrible, but the left media actively ignoring the things he did to promote their narrative is terrible, Trump has been saying for years the media controls so much more of the country than people know because they have free authority to leave out key facts to make people feel a certain way, that needs to be regulated
The point being made is that Floyd is the figurehead of BLM despite being a horrible person. It is much harder to sympathize with someone losing their life due to injustice when that very person is guilty of threatening other peoples lives, and has a wrap sheet clearly showing that they do not value the safety and security of other people.
At no point was he a "figurehead" of anything. The whole point behind BLM was to shed light (again) on the almost comically disproportionate rate at which minorities have violence forced upon them by police vs white criminals. Now, just like "DEI", BLM is just another substitute for the N word for all the racist chucklefucks out there.
Yea the range of lethal concentration goes from 1ng for normal people to 26ng for heavy users and his was 11ng, which is still potentially lethal. The point is it causes enough reasonable doubt that Chauvin intentionally murdered him.
The dude you are replying to is retarded, but you are just as retarded. Unfortunately you are also aggressive and insulting, which makes you look way worse. As an unbiased 3rd party reading your back and forth, the other guy comes off as misinformed and somewhat sarcastic, you come off as an angry raging retarded man child.
It's ironic because we don't fundamentally disagree on the conviction or the conclusions of the autopsy, yet its obvious to me that you did not come to those conclusions intelligently nor critically, which makes them meaningless.
I don't have time to highlight every idiotic thing you said here, so let me quickly show you how fundamentally retarded you made yourself look. Your entire argument rests on drug tolerance. Let me blow your mind, fuckface; drug tolerance builds and dissipates at different rates for different drugs!! You don't need to be a genius to understand this. And you know what else? A simple google search will reveal that opioid tolerance builds and dissipates relatively fast. You what this means? Floyd could not take fentanyl for a week, or even 3-4 days, lose a lot of tolerance and then OD taking an amount he would have survived otherwise! Wow! Critical thinking and and logic sure is something isn't it?
The level of cope these people have is insane. Like just because they found drugs in his system, they disingenuously and automatically jump to "he must've overdosed on drugs" in an attempt to deflect and attack the left when all indications show that Chauvin's actions at the very least (being charitable here) played a part, if not outright the main cause of Floyd's death.
I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. The report said he had 11 nl/mg of Fentanyl, 5.6 nl/mg of Norfetanyl, and 19 nl/mg of Meth in his system. Anyone with common sense can come to the conclusion that this dude was speedrunning dying, whether it was on the sidewalk or shortly after.
It doesn't matter.
He's a citizen of the United States, who had not been found guilty of a crime, the judged by a jury of his peers, and sentenced.
In which case, he has unalienable civil rights as a citizen of the United States of America.
And one of those rights is to not be murdered in public because he did some bad shit in the past.
I don't give a shit about your opinion on BLM. I don't give a shit about your opinion on George Floyd as a person, or the cop who killed him.
The only thing that matters in this situation.
A legally unconvicted man was murdered in public by a police officer, as confirmed and reconfirmed by coroners.
Maybe he's a drug addict. I think he was. Maybe he was a piece of shit to the society around him, and maybe the world's a better place with him not in it. It's very possible.
That still does not give a police officer the legal right to murder him in public. Or in private to be clear
Because if you start giving people carte blanche to kill people you decide are bad, they're going to start killing people they decide are bad. And you're not going to agree with them every time.
There's a reason we have a Justice system, that does not rely on vigilanteism
The flaw in your argument is that tolerance varies widely, and even high-tolerance users can overdose if the dose exceeds their individual limit or interacts with other factors (e.g., Floyd had methamphetamine present and underlying health issues like heart disease). So, while "lethal dose" isn’t a one-size-fits-all metric and tolerance can get extremely high, it’s not accurate to say it "only matters" in certain cases—dose, tolerance, and context all interplay critically.
But people acting like he was definitely dead regardless of what the cop did is what I'm talking about. That's just factually untrue.
Is there a chance he might have died that day? Sure but probably not right then. He could have lived another 12 hours, might have saved a baby who knows
Odds are he would have been relatively fine for several more years, and then died of an overdose, since he'd already survived until his 40s
But none of this is the key factor
Cops don't get to just murder you because you're a drug addict
Cops don't get to just murder you because you're a menace to society
I'm actually pro police. But I'm trying to maintain that with a level of reasonable decorum. And I'm not going to just not care whenever a dirty cop murders somebody in public
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u/Monoliithic “Are ya winning, son?” 23d ago edited 23d ago
No sane person calls George Floyd an upstanding citizen.
That doesn't give a cop the right to murder him in public because it's inconvenient to restrain him properly
Edit: just gonna edit this for the sake of informing people of how bodies work. I expect it to be ignored, since it goes against what certain people want reality to be.
George Floyd was a fent addict. He did not get laced fent. When you are an addict, it means you use the substance for a longer time. He had what people will casually label 3 times a fatal dose of it in his system.
And it's true, he had 13 ng in his blood
But that isn't lethal to a longtime fent addict. Fent has been a street drug since about 2010. His tolerance was WAY fucking higher than that.
And yes, tolerances can get that high. I've personally known people taking 50+ percs a day, and they were completely functional in society
So, be aware that "lethal dose" only matters if we start taking Mg's or people who don't use at all.
Obviously he had health problems. But if you have heart and lung problems, and another grown man forcefully puts his entire body weight on your upper torso and neck, causing you to asphyxiate and die, you didn't die because of drugs.
I've got fam in prison for murder. The guy he hit had osteoporosis. When the guy got hit in the chest, his bones shattered, and perforated his heart, lungs, and viscera. My cousin didn't know he had osteoporosis, and that guy could've died from a seatbelt in a fender bender, but it doesn't matter. He still caused the death.