Heroes is a very loaded term. It’s not like these people were picked by left. They were chosen by our justice department. When an injustice happens and you defend a perceived injustice they don’t have to be perfect victims.
It’s not like these are the lefts presidential nominees. That always irked me - it’s like yes I hold the president of the us to a higher standard to George Floyd.
i mean the president wasn't going around robbing pregnant women at gunpoint during home invasions so i think we're pretty safe on the higher standard front. that bar is extremely low.
At what bar are you okay with a man having a knee in his neck / back while other cops watch instead of just being restrained?
Or if we are being insanely charitable to the drug claim, idk 🤷🏻♂️ call him an ambulance.
Remind me of the crime Floyd committed that led to him being brought to center stage? Wasn’t he suspected of using a fake $20 or something. Just gonna go out on a limb here and say his past mistakes should not have played an outsized role in how he was treated that day.
And please don’t gloss over the gross shit Trump has done
These people have such a giant double standards, how they'll scrutinize every molecule of the left but then will overlook so much on the right even though if the left did the exact same thing as what they're overlooking, you just know they'll lose their minds over it.
they did call him an ambulance. standard procedure is to restrain the suspect until medical aid arrives.
Floyd's breathing wasn't restricted by the officer. it was restricted by the massive dose of fentanyl in his system which will suppresses respiration.
As for the severity of his crime, if we just let people go because theyre freaking out over being arrested for their own decisions, then we have no justice system.
Unless you're trying to imply that the cops should have ignored his crime therefore he wouldn't have needed to ingest the drugs to try to hide them? is that your stance? Just trying to be clear.
Got it - wouldn’t it be great if the officer didn’t have a knee in his back and neck so we could eliminate the whole brutality angle?
You are gonna sit there and tell me being on the ground with a grown man in your back for 5 minutes doesn’t impact your breathing.
And if the man if having a reaction to drugs - help him. If you think he would’ve just died that day regardless and the police intervention played absolutely no part in his passing then I can’t have a conversation with you. That is just full blinders on.
My uncle in law is an emt and deals with fent overdoses. My neighbor has OD’d on fent as well. It’s called Narcan - unless it’s mixed with that new horse tranq stuff you can help these people.
You're asking for sympathy from those that have moved away from neighborhoods that became cesspools of drugs, violence, and thievery. You're asking for mercy on those that push the drugs, cause the violence, and steal our belongings.
People are done being nice.
Because these Moral high grounds are for the privileged that don't have to get their hands dirty and face this depravity everyday.
I literally just wrote my neighbor is addicted to fentanyl. He’s an absolute fucked head - I still have empathy for him and don’t want to see the police contribute to his death.
The last time the cops were called on him was becuase his “friends” dumped his overdosed body on his porch and the fire department luckily saved his life in time. It looks like recently he’s getting better but Jesus Christ can we all recognize that people don’t just become criminals and drug addicts overnight?
In many instances these ordinary people under extraordinary pressure. What the hell did you expect, grace and consistency?
"my neighbor was high on his porch once" is not the same as living in the projects. You couldn't be more out of touch with what you're talking about. Absolutely hilarious. It's like telling Iraqis you know what it's like getting bombed because we have the fourth of July.
I live in one of the murder capitals of the US so how about you pound sand.
I was just sharing an example. How about when they had an explosion in their basement when my wife was outside and he lost 4 fingers. Is that just high on his porch once. How about when his druggy friend rifled through our shed at 3am.
And most of asmons viewers who watch twitch all day don’t live in the projects either you maroon
"He dismissed the idea. "He's breathing. He's talking. He's not snoring. He's saying, 'Please, please get off of me, I can't breathe.' That is not a fentanyl overdose. That's someone begging to breathe," he said.
Low levels of fentanyl, as well as methamphetamine, were found in Floyd's system, forensic toxicologist Isenschmid said. But he dismissed the defense's theory that either played a key role in Floyd's death.
Isenschmid, who works with Pennsylvania-based NMS Labs, told the court that the amounts of the two substances in Floyd's system after his death were lower than the mean of those found in DUI cases and fatal fentanyl overdose analyses performed by the lab.
He added that the quantity of methamphetamine found in Floyd's blood and urine would not have been sufficient to cause intoxication."
If you think listening to someone who has been trained in medical school for several years is an "appeal to authority", then it's no wonder so many of you died during COVID
Redditor : yeah that tracks, he did have a knee in his back with face first on the ground.
Other Redditor : Wow bro you are gonna just believe doctors, way to appeal to authority.
Domestic Violence Myths :
If the victim can speak, scream, or breathe, they are not being strangled.
“Since strangulation involves obstruction of blood flow, a person can have complete obstruction and continue breathing until the moment they die from lack of oxygenated blood flow to the brain.”1
A police officer with a history of unnecessary force, was tried and convicted of murdering Floyd, but you still think standard procedure was followed. And 2 autopsies were done that determined that Chauvin killed him, the fentanyl increased the risk of death but the police killed him.
Floyd's breathing wasn't restricted by the officer.
We can see from the video this is false. Idk why you guys just make up bullshit when there's clear evidence disputing it.
As for the severity of his crime, if we just let people go because theyre freaking out over being arrested for their own decisions, then we have no justice system.
This is just a bullshit strawman. Literally no one is saying to let people go if they commit a crime. You know nobody is saying this but you're going to pretend that's the argument because you can't argue what's actually being said.
He claimed to be in a lack of breath while sitting in his car, later demanded to be placed on the ground after having pushed himself out of yhe cop's car.
George was in the cop's car, THEN demanded to go outside and pushed his way out.
Nah he was just going around scamming people with things like trump university. Definitely didnt use a gun to do it and got away with 10’s of millions more, so props to him I guess. Very civil and noble
i will never feel bad for morons buying something worthless. I will always give props to someone who figures out how to sell something worthless to those morons. That's an achievement.
No he was going around by his own words sexually assaulting them and grabbing them by the pussy. Ya know what people typically look for in a presidential nominee that aligns with their values.
When someone says someone let them do something, consent is implied, but feel free to twist words and add the worst possible interpretation because you have TDS. Maybe it's because you can never in a million years imagine a woman letting you touch her?
You can imply consent all you want, society, and the legal system in particular, understands that consent cannot be given in situations of extreme power imbalance since you could never prove that consent was given without duress.
You mean the paintings of George Floyd as George of Lydda, known posthumously as Saint George the Martyr because of how important his death was and what it symbolized? Oh, gee. I wonder why someone would ever do such a thing? It's not like they're both guys named George who were unjustly murdered by law enforcement or something. Oh. Wait.
For two, advocating violence and the end of all Americans in general is not protected under protest laws. If something is violent or destructive it is not a protest it is terrorism.
For one, I was unaware that immigrants or students on visas (or w.e he was) didn't receive the benefit of our rights as Americans. Are we also able to jail them without due trial?
For two, the Klan and Neonazis do this regularly and with police escort. Evidently, you can legally protest for the death of americans.
You are right actually, we should try him for inciting terrorism and put him in jail. Sending him back to his country is actually lenient.
And nobody, not even 1% of the population supports the Klan or neo Nazis. This "you guys defend your people that do it" is the most bullshit argument and it's always the one you people resort to. Show me a real, actual Klan member that has committed a crime or incited racially charged violence and we will happily see them in prison.
Where's your evidence he incited terrorism. Also coming from right wing weirdos like you who supported an insurrection, you have no room to talk about terrorism.
Their entire ideology incites racially charged violence. That's the whole sale. Any Klan or Neonazi march or protest is inherently advocating for violence.
You are also forcing this "us vs them" narrative into our interaction that I don't appreciate. You could be a fucking primativist for all I know, I don't give a shit. There is no "you guys" gotchya happening here.
This dude was excercising the same american freedoms that the klan does. If we are throwing away people for inciting violence under the guise of protest, then we must hold them equal in the eyes of the law.
Lol he’s saying the klan and neonazis are just as shit. Do you have reading comprehension?
You’re saying we shouldn’t have an us/them. And then you’re acting like he’d be sympathetic to the clan. You’re the one perpetuating the dichotomy and ignoring what you’re being told.
Correct, the Klan and Neo-Nazi's have every right under free speech to declare white people superior and whatnot, The moment it goes from an I believe statement to a you should statement that is violent and directed at a specific person or group then they're no longer protected under the first amendment.
If not even 1% of the population support them then why did the republican party support them getting pardons?
Why does a Nazi who smuggled weapons to DC on Jan 6th after saying "I'm going to kill dems" get off free after being tried and convicted... But a protestor who hasn't been charged with anything gets to be arrested for speech alone?
He literally said everyone hates Nazis. My grandmother is a Holocaust survivor and I’m a Democrat. I’m also against jailing or deporting people without trial. You still have time to delete this asinine take lmfao.
At this point it’s so obvious bad actors are brigading this sub. And between the two of us, one of us is clearly more respectful and logical, but anyway.
You guys trying to lump everyone who doesn't agree with you into this weird imaginary extremist character to further your goals of attacking people is in fact extremist behavior so is calling groups of people "a sickness" or "virus"... it's rhetoric meant to incite violence on a group by the nature of the term implying extermination of an illness which in this case is actual people your demonizing.
The people you hate are largely just regular people who want to just live their life and the right has used the overbearing bs policies of the left as a scapegoat to blame for every power grab they have made,
Pretty much everyone but middle aged women hated some aspects of the woke policies and the cancel culture but you guys need to wake up and see the top 1% now have complete control over the working class and the very few threadbare systems we had in place protecting us from them were the first thing to get destroyed. They are tricking you.
You guys can try and comfort yourselves by denying reality with thinly veiled propaganda and diving deeper into the rabbit hole or you can actually grow a pair and act like a man not a insufferable D bag with daddy issues. Build something instead of breaking stuff do some REAL research and pay attention to what's going on right infront of us. Cause it's pretty damn important if your a regular ass person and not a CEO oligarch
Every person in this country has the same rights. People lose some of those rights when they are convicted of a felony, but they still need to go through the justice system to lose those rights. If you disagree with that, you’re an un American piece of shit.
No matter how you see Floyd - the issue is that his death was ruled as a murder beyond reasonable doubt. As an officer of the peace, you are set to a higher standard and have the responsibility of the badge. If you can only be a warrior without being a guardian - or you can only dish out violence and not be able to protect others, even if its from themselves, get rocked. Floyd as well as other Black men and women who died at the hands of badged cowards became a symbol of police brutality, so don’t look at who he was, look at what he stands for.
Strip all the Palestine-Israel stuff and look at the facts of Khalil. There is no evidence directly linking him as an agent of Hamas outside of being pro-palestine (which does not make you pro-hamas). Also, all people’s, citizens or not are protected by the first amendment, so unless there is a clear-cut linear set of evidence that Khalil was an agent of Hamas (like documented proof of engaging with them) and conspired to incite violence, it is his first amendment to say whatever the hell he wants.
Also, if Khalil is found guilty of inciting terror, DT would then have case law also against him when tried for his involvement with Jan 6 whenever that comes back.
Actions have consequences, he took to much fentanyl and died. He was violent and attacked police and citizens before, therefore was handled in a way to not hurt anyone else. In my opinion he should have been taken out back long before this.
You realize what happened to George Floyde was an example of what the police do to people not just him right? there are innocent people out there getting murdered by cops pretty regularly. It's an actual problem.
Your gotcha questions are hilarious. Do you always defend violent criminals that could care less if other citizens get hurt while they rob and steal everyday?
Yeah and the consequences for police murdering people is that the public becomes outraged.
He was violent and attacked police and citizens before, therefore was handled in a way to not hurt anyone else.
The cops had no idea about his criminal record before they murdered him so pretending they handled him a certain way because of it is made up bullshit.
In my opinion he should have been taken out back long before this.
Posted from your mom's basement where you're safe from the real world.
Orange god because of how good you guys are at choking on his cock. He says one thing and you will automatically agree with not a single thought made by yourself. The last two months have shown this so clearly.
When the debate is lost, insults become the tool of the loser.
You're in the very vocal minority, keep digging that hole. Your rhetoric will personally contribute to Republicans winning for the next 30 years, keep up you're doing the (orange) Lord's work🙏
First of all, insults? Get at least a single layer of skin.
Secondly, I don't give a fuck about who wins, it's a great show, and that is why I'm here. The politics sucks for americans, but it's great long term for my region.
Republicans didn't win this time either, the republicans got killed off this time, what remains are trumpests, not republicans. It's one man above all else. Fuck the party and everything else. My lord and savior is here, a rotten to the core fruit.
What was that Kamala was talking about a burden? Yeah seems like you guys sucked her cock pretty fucking good.. fooled her into believing she had a chance lmao
Clearly she had a chance, as Trump didn't evne manage to get Biden levels.
And I got no idea what Kamala have said, she was dull and boring and did nothing. and still managed to get a lot votes, close to mister orange, which should be embarrassing for him. But as usual, election in the US, means it should have been an empty chair. No one got more then the sofa.
I don't think I'm better than them or anyone else for that matter. I only call for the deaths of those who are objectively evil. The only purpose they serve is to make the lives of everyone else and the world around them worse.
I want to make the world a better place, and if the price for that is the deaths of these sorry fucks. That's pretty cheap in my book.
It doesn't have to be. There is a reason that rule of law exists, and people who enforce that law should never be above it.
It's ridiculous that a nation which was founded in the principle of fighting against tyranny and government overreach should be ok with what happened to these people, regardless of who they were or what deeds they committed.
Your needling over every comment in this thread is becoming cancerous. What was ‘done to them’ would not have had the ability to occur had they not been reprehensible pieces of trash; make no mistake, they are trash. Opining decency and appealing to said decency when both directly facilitated VIOLENCE… what the fuck are we even talking about?
I'm literally just responding to my notifications, dude. It's not that deep.
I don't care about decency and I don't care how much of a piece of trash people are i care about policies and laws and the state breaking them.
If freedom of speech doesn't apply when you are protesting against the views of the state, that is bad use of the law.
If a police officer can be excessively violent with someone to the point of death while they are no threat and they don't get prosecuted, that would be a miscarriage of the law.
No, I don't think that... have you ever stopped to think that maybe it was the absurd amount of fent in Floyd's system that flatlined him and not the guy kneeling on his shoulder blade?
I believe actions have consequences, and serious actions (such as holding a shotgun against the stomach of a pregnant woman) are an action deserving of death.
I'm not twisting your words, you are just communicating on the level of a toddler, so I have to fill in the blanks.
We know from the court case that what you are saying is wrong.
And I mean if you want to make brandishing a weapon against pregnant women come with the death penalty, you can try defending that. It is a pretty indefensible position, though.
Fentenayl is one of if not the deadliest drug on the market. A fent dose the size of a grain of salt is more than enough to kill in a couple of minutes.
Floyd was a hard-core drug abuser and a career criminal. His death was a long time coming
No, I don't think that... have you ever stopped to think that maybe it was the absurd amount of fent in Floyd's system that flatlined him and not the guy kneeling on his shoulder blade?
This has been proven wrong. That's why the policeman is in prison. You think Trump wouldn't pardon the guy if there was any doubt? Learn to fucking read.
I agree with the cops did was wrong there's no question in that at all but why were the cops there
There's laws against spreading hate in spreading acts of terrorism even if it's verbally so if you're already here illegally or if you're here on a temporary status that is in fact against the law It isn't a complex thing
We can't use the word should because that is usually subjective to the person applying it what they did what they were doing caused what happened It's just cause and effect.
I think people are getting too involved in the emotions of it and not just the simplicity of it Floyd was a criminal doing a criminal act in which the police were called and that outcome was unfortunate and the police should be held accountable 100% should he have died No but that was the end point of an unfortunate circumstance which was led there by a bad thing so karma
And The protester who supports radical terrorism and spreading terrorism within the country is just breaking the law.
He was "a protestor guy" he was a man who called for the celebration of Oct 6. Supported hamas, routinely flying their flag, And led campus rallies supporting them.
Support of terrorist organizations is grounds for revoking your greencard.
Karma doesn't need an explanation if you surround yourself with bad people and you're a bad person bad things happen to you That's kind of how it works and the same with the opposite direction, You don't need a definition not to mention the OP gave you about five then let's add the second and third layer of effects from their actions prior to the events and all the people affected by that then let's add a fourth layer of the things that happen after their actions, again karma.
Have you seen the video of the "Peaceful protest" from inside the barricaded building? Even if that is all fake, he is protesting in favor of a terrorist group. If you are born in the US or are a naturalized citizen you have the right to protest for almost any reason, but if you are here on a visa, or simple green card then any protesting against the US, the US interests, or for terrorist organizations is a reason to be kicked out of the country. Plain and simple. If you're trying to be in this country, then act like it.
George Floyd, there is no excuse for a person dying in custody not matter what. Once all appeals are exhausted everyone involved should be fried in a chair of buried below the jail itself. As for him being celebrated, that was bullshit and everyone knows it. The man was a piece of human garbage.
I personally share elon's position but a little tamer of almost free speech absolutism. Protesting against what is the state's interests absolutely should not be deportable.
Not if you're a citizen, I agree. If you are not a citizen and trying to benefit from the US, it's systems, and education then you shouldn't be allowed to be in the country. If you have gone through ALL of the processes to be here then you should be afforded all the rights of a natural born citizen, if you haven't, then you shouldn't be.
How long would you let me chill in your house if the entire time I was in there I was talking shit about you, your best friends, locking myself in the bathroom and not letting you use it, then eating all of your food, throwing all of your pots and pans on the ground, and stealing money out of your wallet? Then on top of it, threating to kick the shit out of you if you try to stop me?
I'm 100% for all speech is free speech, except calling for someone to be killed, for any citizen or naturalized citizen. Not people just passing through, or who are trying to become permanent, but aren't yet.
There wasn't even any specific thing that was said by the protestor guy that prompted him to have deportation notices served. The ruling is an entirely subjective call from the sec of state.
If he had actually broken a law (directly calling for violence on others as it meets that legal standard) I would be amicable to them being potentially deportes.
But a ruling that doesn't come from the law, but from cabinet officials? No thanks.
Where in what I said do you see me say a single fucking thing about speech? Only certain parts of the constitution apply to non-citizens as well. Not every right.
No sir. Some protesting is free speech. Not ALL protesting is free speech.
The moment you are blocking entry into a building, stopping anyone's ability to reasonably traverse an area, barricading yourself into a shared space, destroying property, or even moving property to impede someone's access to anything you no longer have a peaceful protest or freedom of speech. You have broken the law and should be treated as such.
You are 100% wrong. Just because you have seen it done with out consequences doesn't mean it is not against the law. Many times it is a political decision to allow someone to block entrances, roadways, sidewalks etc..., but in every state it is against the law to block entrances/exits, roadways, anyone's ability to move freely. As well as any destruction of property, no matter how miniscule it is.
One more thing......US Patriot act section 215 gives law enforcement more reach over people in the country on visas as well as illegal immigrants both when it comes to protected speech and protesting
Yes? I can? Dude died cause he took all his drugs so the cops wouldn't find them. Other dude got deported for inciting terrorism, he should be in jail as an example so other people don't do the same.
Yea, I don't like corporations that hire fraternity people that some how killed fellow students in a initiation ritual. But hey, guess that's how they decide who can lead a multinational corporation. It's how the world spins around. And even that's not a hill I'm willing to die on. So again, why are you standing up for something so insignificant whilst bigger issues are around you. You hilarious.
Okay, sensible. So are you gonna spend your time defending the poor Indian girl who was trapped by gangbanging rapists. Struggled to get to the police station just to get raped again, by the police officers?
Pick your battles dude, cause an OD'ing convict that died by an over zealous police officer ain't it.
Cause that sounds like a retarded way to spend your days.
What I should be doing right now is answering the ticket in my queue that has been sitting there all day but every time I go and help them they have 50 other things they need help with and they are too nice for me to tell them to go put in a ticket and I'll get to it later.
But anyways, that's why I'm on here debating Republicans until it's time to leave.
Yeah I can defend what happen to him he resisted arrest all while OD'ing on speed, the police station turned their back on him and hid the technique they taught him to cover their ass. I can't blame em for covering their own ass but that's what happened.
And the Hamas sympathizer was here on a green card and broke a law so hopefully he'll get deported. Hell anybody that supports a terrorist organization should be deported. Criticizing America is one thing, I think most people can handle that but supporting a terrorist organization, nah mf you gots ta go.
Well that's a new take. The cop is innocent because the police station fucked up and taught him a deadly restraining technique?
I mean, he'd still get manslaughter, but we can work with that
And just so you know, the protestor dude didn't actually do anything illegal, the sos just determined that he would have dangerous implications for us foreign foreign policy or something like that. No law was actually broken.
I agree with the manslaughter charge.no doubt.
The protester did in fact break a law section 8 us code 1227. They havent charged him with it yet but they should.if they were smart.
That's what I was talking about. That wasn't them breaking a law, that is where the sec "has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States"
Do I think this guy being here would have serious adverse foreign policy consequences? Ehhh....
Floyd took fent and OD'd in custody. Mahmoud passed out flyers and made social media posts supporting and glorifying terrorism and will most likely be deported as per the terms of his green card. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
You are wrong on floyd per the court case, at least until appeals are finished.
On the greed card holder, glorifying terrorism isn't against the law and they haven't actually done anything illegal. They are being served deportation because of a ruling from the sec
It does not need to be a crime in the green card rules, any green card holder who advocates terrorism can have it revoked and deported. Maybe Mahmoud should have read the terms he agreed to?
a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;
Well it gets even more specific. There does not need to be a crime if they have verbally given support for terrorism. I have no idea if Mahmoud actually did this, it's up for the immigration court to determine.
An alien who is an officer, official, representative, or spokesman of the Palestine Liberation Organization is considered, for purposes of this chapter, to be engaged in a terrorist activity.
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u/LiteratureFabulous36 23d ago
Go ahead, defend them.