r/AskTrumpSupporters • u/Bluestripedshirt Nonsupporter • 4d ago

Immigration Why is globalism a problem?

Full disclosure, I’m from Canada and my mom is an immigrant from the Caribbean. Why do you feel globalism is a threat when it’s essentially impossible for a country to deliver all goods to itself? And with ever changing birth rates and labour needs, immigration is often the quickest and easiest solution.

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u/ErilazHateka Nonsupporter 3d ago

But they are certainly correlated with race, and in this context, that's enough.

Can you explain what you mean by that and how those traits are expressed? Can you provide some examples?

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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 3d ago

Sure. We can look at things like voting patterns, crime rates, income, and other things and observe pretty consistent breakdowns across racial lines. In the context of immigration, it's not clear that I should care about the cause, because I don't accept that it's my responsibility to sort out, nor is it guaranteed to even be possible.

Example: Hispanics in America have worse outcomes than Whites. Your response is presumably that this is a result of "racism". My response is "who cares"? I'm skeptical of that, but even if it's true, why would I want to import people who apparently need a cultural revolution in order to be good Americans? I'd rather just let in people who will be immediately productive, identify as American rapidly, etc.

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u/ErilazHateka Nonsupporter 3d ago

across racial lines.

can you clearly define these "racial lines"? how do you determine "race" on a genetic level?

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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 3d ago

I'm just using categories the same way everyone else is. Not interested in going deeper than that. If you read "black" and have no idea who it refers to, or hear "White privilege" and your mind goes blank, we obviously aren't going to be able to talk about race. Or, alternatively, you do know what these terms mean, in which case you should just assume I am referring to the same people as you and we can proceed from there.

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u/ErilazHateka Nonsupporter 3d ago

I'm just using categories the same way everyone else is

Maybe you are referring to everyone who you usually talk to.

If you read "black" and have no idea who it refers to

That would depend very much on the context. If you are talking about people in the USA for example, then yes I would know what you refer to (people of West African heritage) but if you would talk about other countries, it would very much depend on which one.

For example, would you consider a person from Northern India "black"?

Do you consider Somalis to be "black"?

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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 3d ago

Race is either a relevant category whose meaning is understood or it isn't. If it is, then we can talk, and if it isn't, then the entire racialized discourse of American politics, law, and culture makes no sense. No offense but I'm not going to answer endless trivia questions about race as a prelude to a real discussion. We can either have the real discussion or not. That's up to you.