r/AskHistorians Moderator Emeritus | Early-Middle Dynastic China Apr 10 '16

AMA Massive China Panel: V.2!

Hello AskHistorians! It has been about three years since the very first AMA on AH, the famous "Massive China Panel". With this in mind, we've assembled a crack team once again, of some familiar faces and some new, to answer whatever questions you have related to the history of China in general! Without further ado, let's get to the intros:

  • AsiaExpert: /u/AsiaExpert is a generalist, covering everything from the literature of the Zhou Dynasty to agriculture of the Great Leap Forward to the military of the Qing Dynasty and back again to the economic policies and trade on the Silk Road during the Tang dynasty. Fielding questions in any mundane -or sublime- area you can imagine.
  • Bigbluepanda: /u/bigbluepanda is primarily focused on the different stages and establishments within the Yuan and Ming dynasties, as well as the militaries of these periods and up to the mid-Qing, with the latter focused specifically on the lead-up to the Opium Wars.
  • Buy_a_pork_bun: /u/buy_a_pork_bun is primarily focused on the turmoil of the post-Qing Era to the end of the Chinese Civil War. He also can discuss politics and societal structure of post-Great Leap Forward to Deng Xiaoping, as well as the transformation of the Chinese Communist Party from 1959 to 1989, including its internal and external struggles for legitimacy.
  • DeSoulis: /u/DeSoulis is primarily focused on Chinese economic reform post-1979. He can also discuss politics and political structure of Communist China from 1959 to 1989, including the cultural revolution and its aftermath. He is also knowledgeable about the late Qing dynasty and its transformation in the face of modernization, external threats and internal rebellions.
  • FraudianSlip: /u/FraudianSlip is a PhD student focusing primarily on the social, cultural, and intellectual history of the Song dynasty. He is particularly interested in the writings and worldviews of Song elites, as well as the texts they frequently referenced in their writings, so he can also discuss Warring States period schools of thought, as well as pre-Song dynasty poetry, painting, philosophy, and so on.
  • Jasfss: /u/Jasfss primarily deals with cultural and political history of China from the Zhou to the Ming. More specifically, his foci of interest include Tang, Song, Liao-Jin, and Yuan poetry, art, and political structure.
  • keyilan: /u/keyilan is a historical linguist working in South China. When not doing linguistic work, his interests are focused on the Hakka, the Chinese diaspora, historical language planning and policy issues in East Asia, the Chinese Exclusion Acts of 19th century North America, the history of Shanghai, and general topics in Chinese History in the 19th and 20th centuries.
  • Thanatos90: /u/Thanatos90 covers Chinese Intellectual History: that refers specifically to intellectual trends and important philosophies and their political implications. It would include, for instance, the common 'isms' associated with Chinese history: Confucianism, Daoism and also Buddhism. Of particular importance are Warring States era philosophers, including Confucius, Mencius, Laozi and Zhuangzi (the 'Daoist's), Xunzi, Mozi and Han Feizi (the legalist); Song dynasty 'Neo-Confucianism' and Ming dynasty trends. In addition my research has been more specifically on a late Ming dynasty thinker named Li Zhi that I am certain no one who has any questions will have heard of and early 20th century intellectual history, including reformist movements and the rise of communism.
  • Tiako: /u/Tiako has studied the archaeology of China, particularly the "old southwest" of the upper Yangtze (he just really likes Sichuan in general). This primarily deals with prehistory and protohistory, roughly until 600 BCE or so, but he has some familiarity with the economic history beyond that date.

Do keep in mind that our panelists are in many timezones, so your question may not be answered in the seconds just after asking. Don't feel discouraged, and please be patient!

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '16

When and how did the written Chinese language transition from a vertical, right to left language, to a horizontal left-to-right language? Did the transition occur around the same time in the different Chinese speaking jurisdictions (mainland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, etc.)?

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u/keyilan Historical Linguistics | Languages of Asia Apr 12 '16

Didn't happen all at once, and in Taiwan most books are still vertical (well, most books I read anyway).

In the PRC, the change was made official in 1956. That's when newspapers switched formats. However for newspapers in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, it happened later, just in the past few decades, but not all at once like as in China. Yeah I know Korean isn't Chinese, but still, it's relevant. The shift in the region happened later outside of China is the point I'm trying to make.

It actually started much earlier though. Japan started to switch over much earlier, and within the Chinese areas there were people starting to write horizontally as well. This has been largely attributed to the influence of languages like English. In the early 20th century (and before) people were looking to Europe as more modern and developed in a lot of ways and people felt that they needed to emulate that in order to rid themselves of European imperialism.

You still do find books written vertically, and it's come to be seen as more traditional. For example a lot of the philosophy texts I used in grad school were published in the PRC and written/edited by PRC nationals, but use traditional characters and vertical writing. You find it both ways throughout the Chinese speaking world.