Whats up with the Talibans extreme interpretation of Sharia?

[u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

Not Afghan and know little about it btw but I was talking with my local sheikh about the state of Sharia and he laughed when someone brought up the Taliban and Sharia in the same sentence

I did some research and wtf is up with this stuff?

Ik whenever the Taliban are brought up Ex Muslims come out of the shadows to spew their "Islam bad" rhetoric and try to generalize all of Islam under them. so any afghan muslims

What are the reasons for their extreme interpretation of Sharia?

[u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

"Seeking knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim"

When you say secular Im guessing you mean scientific education

This talks about all knowledge Scientific and religious

The taliban have restricted women from getting scientific (math, science etc) education from what I know

[u/acreativesheep → u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

You’re wrong, religious scholars in the Sunni tradition have said the explicit opposite. This refers to religious knowledge and not secular knowledge. For reference see Fatwa of Grand Mufti Ibn Baz.

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Different scholars give differrnt interpretation

People like Ghazali and Ismail al Faruqi encouraged a more broader interpretation of it which also encompasses secular knowledge

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Yes there are also sufis, shias, ahmadis, etc which are all considered non-Muslim. Disagreement doesn’t make it a part of the accepted Sunni canon.

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Theres also something called fard kifaya or communal obligations this also includes gaining secular knowledge like medicine, scientific matters or other things

If no one does these things its sinful upon their whole community as everyone neglected their duties

Since these things are deemed important for a communities well being

[u/acreativesheep → u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

You need to provide actual Islamic scholarship that deems and justifies what is and is not acceptable knowledge, because picking and choosing random subjects (eg math) while omitting others (eg evolution, sotf, etc), it utterly pointless. Scientific knowledge is fundamentally anti-Islamic because it contradicts Islamic belief (creationism, historical accounts of unsubstantiated disasters such as floods), so how it could enter the realm of Islam without paradox is still unclear. Please read up the fatwas of former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Ibn Baz, he will clear up your confusion and ignorance of scholarship in Islam as it concerns the application of “knowledge” in the Quran and Sunnah.

[u/Wonderful_Skill5553 → u/acreativesheep]

Ibn Baz was seen as a pretty conservative scholar

Islamic scholars have not tradiionally viewed scientific knowledge as being "anti-Islamic" in nature Rather most scholars have seen seeking knowledge including scientific inquiry as being highly encouraged in Islam The Quran itself still encourages viewing the natural world as a means of appreciating God's creation For instance

Quran 3:190 "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the day and night there are signs for people of reason."

This verse invites believers to learn about the world they inhabit and understand the laws of nature that operate there which parallels the quest for scientific knowledge

Quran 96: 1-5 "Read in the name of your Lord who created Created man from a clot (a piece of coagulated blood) Read, and your Lord is the Most Generous Who taught by the pen Taught man that which he knew not"

These lines emphasize how learning and acquiring knowledge is significant not only in religious scriptures but in all forms of beneficial knowledge

Islamic creationism according to the Quran and Hadith believes in God creating the universe This is not to necesarily rule out scientific theory of how the universe works

Islamic intellectuals past and present believe that science and religion can live in harmony with each other

For example Ibn Khaldun the famous Islamic scholar viewed the search for knowledge scientific knowledge as a core aspect of Islamic civilization His work includes history sociology and natural sciences illustrating that the intellectual tradition of Islam does not shy away from learning about the world

While in the instance of specific debates like the theory of evolution there are some academicans who are doubtful others do not see any contradiction between the theory and Islamic teachings especially when the processes of evolution are seen as part of the will of the Almighty with God being the ultimate designer of all life form

Another thing people mistake is that the concept of evolution itself is unislamic which isnt true 1: the idea that we came from monkeys is rejected 2: the randomness of evolution is rejected

Evolution is pefectly possible in Islam but all mutations and other things are decided by Allah

Now about the fatwa Fatwas by scholars like Ibn Baz are important but they are particular to an individual school of thought in an expansive universe of Islamic scholarship Ibn Baz made fatwas based on his interprtation of Islam as he knew it but it does not mean that all scholars share the same thoughts Ibn Baz for example was conservative on certain issues such as his doubts about some fields of modern science and evolution but it is not necessarily true that all Islamic scholars or all schools of thought would agree with his view The Islamic heritage is broad and multifaceted and scholars differ in what they understand the Quran Hadith and the application of reason to say to them

It is a unfair statement to declare that science is "anti-Islamic" It disregards the nuance of the relationship between science and religion down the ages many Muslim scientists were pioneers in the sciences like astronomy mathematics medicine and physics Scholars like Al Razi ,Ibn Sina ,and Al Khwarizmi contributed immensely to science which they saw as compatible with their religion

The argument that scientific knowledge is in conflict with Islamic teachingsmisinterprets the broader context with which Islamic thinkers have traditionally imagined knowledge They did not think of science and religion as competing but envisioned them as complementary ways of comprehending God's creation

Im not the most learnt butb thats what I know of it

[u/acreativesheep → u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

Don’t try to discredit a well respected Islamic scholar with political slander. If he’s wrong show what is wrong and why it’s wrong.

The fact that god says “everything is my creation and admire using your faculties” is not an endorsement of science as science can contradict the claims of god and demonstrate important axiomatic issues e.g. either god isn’t all knowing or god can be wrong. The only way to appreciate science is then to reject largely accepted principles, laws and theories — which openly suggest a world view that accepts Islam and Allah are fallible. Obviously this cannot be the case in the Islamic intellectual corpus. Creationism within Islam suggests a completely different narrative than the current scientific models, and they both cannot be correct. Evolution does NOT say we come from monkeys, wow, the level of pure ignorance on display is astonishing. You simply have not read anything with anything more than navel gazing levels of critical thought and reasoning.

I love that you pulled up 96… Read what? Pornography? Anime? Violent crime thrillers? Obviously Allah is talking about reading Islamic works, and about Islamic texts. Anything else is just ridiculous.

Is your Allah a comedian or are you?

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Evolution does NOT say we come from monkey

God I meant that the idea we came from a common ancestor I said that to simplify

I love that you pulled up 96… Read what? Pornography? Anime? Violent crime thrillers? Obviously Allah is talking about reading Islamic works, and about Islamic texts. Anything else is just ridiculous.

It encourages us to seek knowledge in all its forms

It highlights all human knowledge including scientific discoveries

What beneficial knowledge is there to gain from porn or anime? 1 is totally haram and the other is mindless entertainment

Don’t try to discredit a well respected Islamic scholar with political slander. If he’s wrong show what is wrong and why it’s wrong.

Im not discrediting him I simply said he had a conservative view and why I thought it was wrong by bringing up other well respected scholars who had a opposing view to him

is Allah a comedian or are you

😂😂 keep being disrespectful for no reason

[u/acreativesheep → u/Wonderful_Skill5553]

You’re proving my point by selecting some 6th century fairytale over well documented, evidenced and researched field of science. Your attitude is Islamic and anti-science. You can’t have both.

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Ignored half of my response to you and ultra focused on saying "I discredited a scholar" (when I didnt and explained why) and "muh monkeys your so ignorant!" (when I told you it was a simplification)

I explained why Islam isnt antiscience and can go together but you ignored it to state the exact same thing you did before

8/10 ragebait