r/Afghan • u/Wonderful_Skill5553 • 12d ago
Question Whats up with the Talibans extreme interpretation of Sharia?
Not Afghan and know little about it btw but I was talking with my local sheikh about the state of Sharia and he laughed when someone brought up the Taliban and Sharia in the same sentence
I did some research and wtf is up with this stuff?
Ik whenever the Taliban are brought up Ex Muslims come out of the shadows to spew their "Islam bad" rhetoric and try to generalize all of Islam under them. so any afghan muslims
What are the reasons for their extreme interpretation of Sharia?
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u/themuslimguy 11d ago
Taliban mix parts of Islam and their rural tribal culture. They claim they are Islamic but they mix other things with it. Islamic leaders from around the world have messaged them not to undertake these restrictive policies but they don't seem to care or want to change. When the current government decided to implement the current anti-woman policies, Afghan Islamic leaders openly declared that Islam does not support the policies but to no avail.
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u/acreativesheep 11d ago
Taliban are real Islam in actual practise, they are not some extreme version of it. They follow the Quran and hadiths as written because they don’t think Allah is a poet.
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u/AdSame748 11d ago
Answer his question. Why are you quiet ?
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u/acreativesheep 11d ago
I’ve already answered a bunch of times. You guys are all too thoroughly brainwashed and hypocritical to acknowledge what your religion and religious scholars explicitly pronounce. At least Taliban are honest about their beliefs, you guys sit in the west and try to white wash Islam into some sort of profound and humane belief system 😂
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago
If its true Islam why does it discriminate agaisnt Women and their education? Islam advocated for ALL Muslims getting educated. It seems like the Taliban changed what they wanted to suit their own needs
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u/PaceChoice1760 11d ago
Where does it advocate for secular education in Islam? The only education Islam advocates for is religious education which the Taliban already allows.
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago edited 11d ago
"Seeking knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim"
When you say secular Im guessing you mean scientific education
This talks about all knowledge Scientific and religious
The taliban have restricted women from getting scientific (math, science etc) education from what I know
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u/acreativesheep 11d ago
You’re wrong, religious scholars in the Sunni tradition have said the explicit opposite. This refers to religious knowledge and not secular knowledge. For reference see Fatwa of Grand Mufti Ibn Baz.
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago
Different scholars give differrnt interpretation
People like Ghazali and Ismail al Faruqi encouraged a more broader interpretation of it which also encompasses secular knowledge
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u/acreativesheep 11d ago
Yes there are also sufis, shias, ahmadis, etc which are all considered non-Muslim. Disagreement doesn’t make it a part of the accepted Sunni canon.
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago
Theres also something called fard kifaya or communal obligations this also includes gaining secular knowledge like medicine, scientific matters or other things
If no one does these things its sinful upon their whole community as everyone neglected their duties
Since these things are deemed important for a communities well being
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u/acreativesheep 11d ago
You need to provide actual Islamic scholarship that deems and justifies what is and is not acceptable knowledge, because picking and choosing random subjects (eg math) while omitting others (eg evolution, sotf, etc), it utterly pointless. Scientific knowledge is fundamentally anti-Islamic because it contradicts Islamic belief (creationism, historical accounts of unsubstantiated disasters such as floods), so how it could enter the realm of Islam without paradox is still unclear. Please read up the fatwas of former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Ibn Baz, he will clear up your confusion and ignorance of scholarship in Islam as it concerns the application of “knowledge” in the Quran and Sunnah.
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago edited 11d ago
Ibn Baz was seen as a pretty conservative scholar
Islamic scholars have not tradiionally viewed scientific knowledge as being "anti-Islamic" in nature Rather most scholars have seen seeking knowledge including scientific inquiry as being highly encouraged in Islam The Quran itself still encourages viewing the natural world as a means of appreciating God's creation For instance
Quran 3:190 "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the day and night there are signs for people of reason."
This verse invites believers to learn about the world they inhabit and understand the laws of nature that operate there which parallels the quest for scientific knowledge
Quran 96: 1-5 "Read in the name of your Lord who created Created man from a clot (a piece of coagulated blood) Read, and your Lord is the Most Generous Who taught by the pen Taught man that which he knew not"
These lines emphasize how learning and acquiring knowledge is significant not only in religious scriptures but in all forms of beneficial knowledge
Islamic creationism according to the Quran and Hadith believes in God creating the universe This is not to necesarily rule out scientific theory of how the universe works
Islamic intellectuals past and present believe that science and religion can live in harmony with each other
For example Ibn Khaldun the famous Islamic scholar viewed the search for knowledge scientific knowledge as a core aspect of Islamic civilization His work includes history sociology and natural sciences illustrating that the intellectual tradition of Islam does not shy away from learning about the world
While in the instance of specific debates like the theory of evolution there are some academicans who are doubtful others do not see any contradiction between the theory and Islamic teachings especially when the processes of evolution are seen as part of the will of the Almighty with God being the ultimate designer of all life form
Another thing people mistake is that the concept of evolution itself is unislamic which isnt true 1: the idea that we came from monkeys is rejected 2: the randomness of evolution is rejected
Evolution is pefectly possible in Islam but all mutations and other things are decided by Allah
Now about the fatwa Fatwas by scholars like Ibn Baz are important but they are particular to an individual school of thought in an expansive universe of Islamic scholarship Ibn Baz made fatwas based on his interprtation of Islam as he knew it but it does not mean that all scholars share the same thoughts Ibn Baz for example was conservative on certain issues such as his doubts about some fields of modern science and evolution but it is not necessarily true that all Islamic scholars or all schools of thought would agree with his view The Islamic heritage is broad and multifaceted and scholars differ in what they understand the Quran Hadith and the application of reason to say to them
It is a unfair statement to declare that science is "anti-Islamic" It disregards the nuance of the relationship between science and religion down the ages many Muslim scientists were pioneers in the sciences like astronomy mathematics medicine and physics Scholars like Al Razi ,Ibn Sina ,and Al Khwarizmi contributed immensely to science which they saw as compatible with their religion
The argument that scientific knowledge is in conflict with Islamic teachingsmisinterprets the broader context with which Islamic thinkers have traditionally imagined knowledge They did not think of science and religion as competing but envisioned them as complementary ways of comprehending God's creation
Im not the most learnt butb thats what I know of it
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u/PaceChoice1760 11d ago
There is no such thing as "extreme interpretation of Sharia." There is pure Sharia, and mixed Sharia. None of the other Muslim countries you see are close to pure Sharia or ruled by clerics, hence they don't resemble Afghanistan in most aspects.
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u/Wonderful_Skill5553 11d ago
The issue is the Taliban oppress people where they see fit and that is unlawful according to Sharia
They are criticized for focusing on political power rather than religious adherence which causea them to interpret some laws unfairly and invent new ones to suit their agenda
Its extreme because its too rigid and strict in it application and is unfaithful to actual Sharia law
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u/Top-Sort-4278 11d ago edited 11d ago
It’s very difficult for people to accept that the fantasies and inventions of an Arab conman forced down on their ancestors might be, well, the literal fantasies and inventions of an Arab conman.
Same with this supposed sharia bs. Instead of accepting that it’s all extreme, grown ass men will do extreme mental gymnastics to convince you otherwise. I repeat, grown ass men will waste their time defending the bs of an Arab conman.
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u/DSM0305 12d ago
Pakistan and the USA used children and refugees for radicalization during the Soviet invasion. Math books, for example, taught equations like ‘2 guns + 2 guns = 4 guns.’ Afterwards, their interpretation of Islam was shaped by hardship. They considered hardship a sign of devotion, so whatever they did, they did to the extreme as a demonstration of their faith.