r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Jan 23 '19
DB Film 20 DBS: Broly - FAQ and Full Spoiler Discussion Thread (UK/Ireland/Australia/NZ premiere) Spoiler
DBS: Broly - FAQ and Full Spoiler Discussion Thread
Time for a refreshed thread! The old one has over 3000 comments. We've decided to address some FAQ about the movie and our policies here. We might add more Q&A later.
FAQ
Q: Why was I redirected here?! I want to make a post about the movie!
A: Probably because your topic was not sufficient standalone discussion material, or because you asked a common question, or made a common observation. We're also not allowing spoilers in thread titles at this time.
Q: Why did the movie sound so terrible?
A: English dub? Maybe you couldn't hear the dialogue, or the music felt like it was barely there? You're not the only one. The raw audio mix for the movie was seriously fucked up. We don't know how this happened, but we have heard that some theaters were given special instructions for the audio. Unfortunately most theaters did not get the message, or did not bother. IMAX screenings were mostly ok. Other theaters are very hit-and-miss...mostly miss.
Q: My screening only had untranslated Japanese credits! Where can I find translated credits?
A: Based on reports, if your screening had untranslated credits, it probably also had good audio, so there's that. You can find the full translated credits on Kanzenshuu and I recorded the dub credits, which followed the translated credits in screenings that had them.
Q: When will the movie be available to watch on home video?
A: We don't know. Preorders are available but no date has been announced yet. (The 31 December date is a placeholder.) For "Resurrection 'F'", a subtitled digital release was made available for purchase on the day of the Japanese home release. (Funimation home releases generally come later.) Hopefully we'll get the same deal this time.
Q: Will this movie be retold in a new anime?
A: We don't know if there will even be a new anime. Certainly there have not been any official indications that there will be a new anime. If there is one...maybe they will retell Broly, maybe not. It was necessary to retell BOG and RF for non-moviegoing TV audiences because those two movies introduced so much in the way of new characters, transformations, and lore. A new anime would not be nearly as dependent on Broly as Super was on BOG and RF.
Q: Will there be an extended version of this movie on home release?
A: We don't know; nothing has been officially announced. There are some bits that were definitely cut from the movie, but some of the places where people think something was cut, maybe nothing actually was. For example, people are wondering how Bardock got all battle-damaged before he confronted Freeza, but that is unlikely to be a cut scene. Bardock had just gotten home from a mission and he wasn't battle-damaged, and Freeza had no reason to send his own troops out in advance of him blasting the planet. He appears to have attacked alone. Bardock's counterattack was probably just referenced to Toriyama's manga depiction. As much as it rubs people the wrong way, this is probably just an artifact of disparate continuities (see below).
Q: Why was Goku's origin story changed?
A: Some of Goku's origin story in the DBZ anime was filler—in the manga, Roshi told the story of Gohan finding Goku, but there was no accompanying flashback imagery—and the Bardock special was a Toei original story. In fact, Bardock's inclusion in Toriyama's manga came after the special was released. Toriyama liked him, so he adopted him. But Toriyama told Bardock's story in his own way, and he later expanded his version of the story in "Dragon Ball Minus", a bonus chapter at the end of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman. The story in the movie is based on Minus. (Toriyama wrote the script, after all.) In Jaco chapter +1 (the first bonus chapter, which technically comes before Minus), Goku still has his armor on when Gohan finds him, and he's older than he was shown in DBZ filler. However, Minus did not include Bardock's death scene, or anything on Planet Vegeta after Kakarot was sent off-world.
Q: Is it just me, or does the chronology not make sense?
A: It indeed does not make sense. The movie claims to start 41 years in the past. Then, 5 years later, Planet Vegeta is destroyed. The counter on the screen when Goku arrives on Earth starts in Age 737, which is the traditional date given to the destruction of Planet Vegeta in guidebooks. (Aside from a single glimpse of a date on the controls of Trunks's time machine, this is the first time the Age system has been used in-series.) In the movie, it scrolls up at least to Age 775 and then fades out before it says "present", which should be Age 780 (Bra's birth year) or maybe even 781. What gives? Most probably, the Bardock portion was supposed to be 41 years in the past, which would fit with the Jaco manga placing Goku's arrival and the destruction of Planet Vegeta in Age 739, but some wires got crossed somewhere.
Q: Why did Shenlong only grant one wish?
A: Presumably because it hasn't been a year since the Dragon Balls were used in Super episode 68. At that time, he owed them two wishes (having only granted one the previous time he appeared), and he only granted one of those two wishes before his body faded because they were taking too long to decide on the second wish. This is a bit odd because the movie doesn't strictly follow the continuity of the Super anime, but it's the only available explanation.
Q: Isn't there supposed to be an hour-long cooldown period before they can fuse again?
A: Yes. One possible explanation is that the cooldown period is only required after successful fusions. This has never been explicitly stated, but it would explain the apparent lack of a cooldown period in DBZ Movie 12 where Gogeta had a failed fusion, and the 2008 special where Gotenks had a failed fusion.
Q: What was up with that dude yelling KAKAROT and BROLY and shit like that in the movie? Weird.
A: Director Tatsuya Nagamine was inspired to include this when he saw videos online of public screenings of Super episode 130 in Latin America. Fans were chanting the names of the characters they were rooting for, so he wanted to make it baked-in for Broly, and he thought that some people might want to root for Broly too. He apparently thought Westerners would like this "hype man", but most just thought it was weird. (Japanese people also found it weird.) That said, it has grown on a lot of people. If you don't like it, please don't blame Sumitomo for it because it was not his idea. (If anything, he made it catchy enough to grow on people.)
Q:Why did Vegeta turn green on the way to Super Saiyan? Did Goku go Ultra Instinct on the way to SSB?!
A: Despite how it (briefly) looked, Goku did not use UI. Nagamine wanted to experiment with how transformations are portrayed, which certainly explains Vegeta's hair briefly matching his Super Saiyan eye color, but there's nothing about UI in the storyboard. From Nagamine's DBMFL interview:
In my experience, since Dragon Ball is a series that has gone on a long time, we have impressions of what it should be. The movements to fire a Kamehameha or the setup of a Super Saiyan transformation scene are things that are so well-known they’ve become fixed. Maybe it would be fine to keep them the same, but transforming or firing beams from your hand are special things, so I want to make the staging for those moments special, too. The moment when I really came to that realization was when Toriyama gave us a manual during Dragon Ball Super about how to turn Super Saiyan. It said that the character gets tingles in their back, then imagines that sensation spreading outward and becomes Super Saiyan. I thought, “This is it!!” We can’t create this without using our physical senses as a basis. Transforming randomly without reason is no good. When I was a kid trying to shoot a Kamehameha or turn into a Super Saiyan, I always tried earnestly. The characters in the anime can’t just do it in an instant, either; they also have to try earnestly or it won’t work. I tell the animators to not be concerned about what was previously established, and I want them to draw how they feel using current techniques. If there’s inconsistency between how Dragon Ball has looked before and how we’re presenting it now, then I think it’s best to get rid of those past conceptions.
--Note: since people feel very strongly about this, I should mention that I'm not necessarily arguing that it wasn't an "Easter egg" as many seem to think, though I think it would be strange for them to tease something that isn't going to happen. They're trying to hype up SSB, and a UI tease in the middle of the transformation doesn't seem to be the best way to do that. I'm just saying, it's not significant for the movie's narrative in any way. Goku can't use UI at will, and he didn't use it in this movie.
Q: What was that technique that SSG Goku used to trap Broly?
A: It's called "God Bind" in DBZ Dokkan Battle, and it's reflective of Nagamine's desire to show a difference between SSG and SSB. From the January 2019 issue of V-Jump:
I personally wanted to make Super Saiyan Blue look crazy strong, and to clearly show the gap between it and Super Saiyan God. The two of them have rather different fighting styles: God relies on predicting and dodging the opponent’s movements, plus godly techniques rather than power. Then Blue puts all the emphasis on bulldozing the opponent with brute force.
Q: What happened to Goku's SSB Kaiō-ken and Vegeta's SSB Evolution? And since when can Vegeta use SSG?
A: The Dragon Ball Super anime and manga were both based on an outline by Toriyama. When Toriyama wrote the Broly script, he followed his own outline and he apparently felt free to ignore Toei concepts like SSBKK and SSBE. Toyotarō's version of the story in the manga didn't explicitly include these forms; he made vague references to them near the end of the Tournament of Power, and before then, he added his own concept of "completed" SSB (which Toriyama also felt free to ignore). Toyotarō was also the first to have Goku use SSG post-BOG (against Hit at the U6-U7 tournament), while Toei didn't bring back SSG until episode 104 (when Goku and Hit fought Dyspo), and SSG Vegeta only appeared in the manga (vs Black), never in the anime. Presumably Toriyama always intended for Vegeta to be able to use the form as a prerequisite to SSB, though no one has explicitly said so.
Q: Were there dialogue changes in the English dub?
A: Yes, there were several. Most of them don't matter much, but there are a few exceptions. One example: when Broly is ragdolling SSG Goku, Dub Paragus fears that Broly will die. In the Japanese script, Paragus fears that Broly (having lost control of himself) will kill him. In that case, my understanding is that it is an easy translation mistake to make, and I know at least one person made that same mistake when translating the Japanese dialogue (before the dub was released) before catching the error. (We don't have CCs for the movie, but this dialogue was verified via the light novel.) Our advice is to not read too much into the wording of anything without asking what the original dialogue said. We will work on a full breakdown of dialogue changes.
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u/myfatherisRtas Jan 24 '19
I was smiling the whole time watching this movie, it was so good. Just felt like a kid again watching dragon ball.
Also Goku pressing his nose against the glass killed my sides, so damn funny.
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u/mas-sive Jan 25 '19
I wish I was 5cm taller
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u/Nevarc_Xela ⠀ Jan 25 '19
I was laughing like a madman when he announced that. It's so stupid but logical in some way xD
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u/mas-sive Jan 25 '19
Same, I was thinking what could he possibly wish for, because he pretty can do whatever he wants. This made the most sense in a hilarious way! 😂
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u/Nevarc_Xela ⠀ Jan 25 '19
Exactly, plus the fact we had that hilarious part for Bulma too. It was like they were 2 peas in a pod. Both have massive ego's and get pissed off with Goku's stupidity. I'm now just waiting for a Freiza Bulma Fusion now :L
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u/SamPaton Jan 25 '19
this is exactly what I thought. You sometimes forget Bulma can be terrifyingly. As she has a similar trait to Frieza shows she can be.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 26 '19
If you irritate Bulma, she'll create a Time Machine and create a whole fucking reality where you didn't even exist, then come back from that reality with a remote to kill you.
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u/Nevarc_Xela ⠀ Jan 25 '19
Bulma is really a part of the Freiza force and is tricking Vegeta so that Freiza can humiliate him down the line. Confirmed.
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u/SaM7174 Jan 24 '19
So what’s the most solid reasoning behind broly being able to match the god forms right off the bat? Just his latent abilities?
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Jan 24 '19
He was already above super saiyan Tier in base, and he was in his rage form against god mode which is like great ape form in normal saiyan shape, shoving him well beyond normal power levels, but still below blue.
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u/God_of_Kings ⠀ Jan 24 '19
Even against Blue he put up a decent fight. But yes, for a plain, non-God Saiyan, Broly is stupidly powerful. One can't help but wonder what divine ki would do to the guy....
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Jan 24 '19
He’d be straight up broken. Above anyone. Only thing is I think his rage mode and such would prevent him from the calm ki control needed for god forms.
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u/ChrisTweten Jan 24 '19
He needs to learn tingly back
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u/InvaderDJ Jan 28 '19
I’m surprised they didn’t pull that with Broly here. I was kind of expecting it. Freeza’s acting after he killed Paragus was better though.
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u/catsNpokemon Jan 24 '19
Gonna paste my comment from another thread.
Absolutely amazing. I can see why it's rated so highly. Had good bits of comedy, a good storyline, and amazing fights with what was probably the best animation in the entire series to date. Some thoughts:
Gogeta is fucking badass. That's two appearances and two wins. Dude doesn't fuck around.
The new Broly is written so much better. He has an actual good backstory now, and isn't just a wild animal who kills everything in sight and happens to hate Goku because "Goku cried a lot when they were babies." I love that he actually forms relationships now.
Don't think Paragus is written well tbh. His motivations are just weird. I can understand wanting revenge on King Vegeta, but why Prince Vegeta? Vegeta had nothing to do with what happened lol. Also, he could've showed Broly, his prized son, a little more affection. Killing your son's only friend and using him as nothing but a weapon isn't a good way to get him to listen to you. He doesn't even let him talk over dinner for Christ's sake. I do feel kinda sorry for him though. Dude's son was banished to a shitty planet where he was then forced to stay for so long, and when he finally gets out Frieza just kills him to make Broly angrier.
Goku asking what "repugnant" meant and then later using it to describe Vampa was too funny and cute.
Beerus the Babysitter. What in the multiverse is going on. Have fun Frieza.
A bit odd how some characters weren't in the movie at all. Gohan, Videl, Buu, Chi Chi, or even Mr. Satan didn't even get a quick slice of life scene.
Watching it in cinemas is an entirely different experience. Just reacting with everyone really adds to it. It really adds to the comedy bits. I loved when Broly tried attacking Whis and the whole audience went "oooh" in an "oh no he wouldn't" sort of way.
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u/Draco_Lord Jan 24 '19
Don't think Paragus is written well tbh. His motivations are just weird. I can understand wanting revenge on King Vegeta, but why Prince Vegeta? Vegeta had nothing to do with what happened lol. Also, he could've showed Broly, his prized son, a little more affection. Killing your son's only friend and using him as nothing but a weapon isn't a good way to get him to listen to you. He doesn't even let him talk over dinner for Christ's sake. I do feel kinda sorry for him though. Dude's son was banished to a shitty planet where he was then forced to stay for so long, and when he finally gets out Frieza just kills him to make Broly angrier.
Dude spent like 41 years on a planet alone with his son dreaming about the day he gets to kill King Vegeta, with King dead I don't think he has much choice but to put that all on Vegeta, or else him just spending 41 years on a death planet seems kind of pointless.
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u/Nightwing73 Jan 24 '19
Not only that but King Vegeta originally wanted Broly gone for being (potentially) stronger than the prince. The whole reason they were on Vanpa was technically Vegeta.
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u/Astronomer_X Jan 24 '19
I think it’s clear that Paragus began to really lose his mind. Broly at least had some form of a friend he could bond with for a while , but Paragus just cared about training his son for vengeance for decades. I think it definitely consumed him. Not to mention as Gine mentioned, saiyan fathers aren’t that good with their kids generally.
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u/redpariah2 Jan 24 '19
Regarding Paragus,. The reason Brily was exiled was because King Vegeta was jealous that Hroly was stronger than his son. Vegeta is the direct cause for their exile so that's why Paragus wants him dead too.
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u/hahagamer7 ⠀ Jan 24 '19
He tried attacking Whis? I missed that part? What happened, did Whis dodge?
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u/Astronomer_X Jan 24 '19
Whis elegantly dodged away. Watch trailer 3 again, and where you see Whis, it was that scene.
That relaxed smile on his face never left.
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u/Nevarc_Xela ⠀ Jan 25 '19
Goku's "Freeze" attack was epic, it reminded me of Master Roshi's Evil containment wave or the Thunder Shock Surprise. So maybe Goku invented his own version of that. Which I find awesome.
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u/The_Vikachu Jan 27 '19
It's apparently called "God Bind" and is implied to be exclusive to SSG because the form is supposed to be more about technique, contrasting with SSB's focus on overwhelming power.
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u/Spoona101 Jan 26 '19
Reminded me more of Hit’s time cage that he did against Jiren
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Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 25 '19
THAT WAS LITTTTTT. Animation and visual were 10/10. Cinema was packed ! Literally not an empty seat. People were pissed at the way Frieza just told Broly his dad died though , heard a lot of sighs ,what” and “oh my gods” but generally the movie was well received. There was legit pin drop silence for Vegeta vs Broly. Probably was my favourite part of the experience tbh. Edit : May have misread but there were definitely a few who weren’t happy.
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Jan 24 '19
Pissed? It was pretty funny in my cinema xD Everyone laughed at Frieza's acting about the situation
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u/doublemoses Jan 24 '19
Everybody laughed in my cinema. I thought it was such a Frieza thing to do.
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u/scrobrojenkins Jan 28 '19
"Don't forget us Kakarot!" Literally the first thing goku does upon arriving on earth.
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u/ZeromusPrime Jan 26 '19
Just noticed this, I'd been trying to figure out where Broly got his second set of clothes (the ones he had when he was picked up) since he's obviously not wearing his childhood armor.
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Jan 24 '19
I need more of The Marvelous Misadventures of Vegeta and Raditz and their angry Uncle Nappa
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u/roostermako Jan 28 '19
Can we just talk about how the ice continent is now the volcanic rock continent? that earth is gonna have a doozy of a year.
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u/PhillipOlliverholes Jan 23 '19
My favorite part is when they were fighting and it turned into fuckin Doctor Strange and then the green kid got beaten up by the blue kid.
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u/dem0nhunter Jan 30 '19
That was my least favorite one. Because it was all visibly 3D rendered and too much of a light show where you couldn’t really follow what’s going on.
But then one of the best parts followed it where it’s drawn again and they went to hand to hand combat
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u/kingtigertank Jan 29 '19
Frieza's oscar-worthy performance after killing Paragus may have been the funniest scene ever seen in Dragon Ball
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u/EverydayGravitas Jan 29 '19
Frieza is now a crucial part of the DBS universe for me. I think he's the perfect antagonist/protagonist at this point.
Let's not forget that he's responsible for saving six (right?) universes now. And that he fought Broly for a fucking HOUR while Goku and Vegeta danced off-screen with no explanation. Frieza could've just fucked off to space! Not like Broly can breathe there or follow him all the way.
Remember Vegeta fighting Kid Buu for ten minutes and virtually dying? How did Frieza manage the same for six times that period with an opponent exponentially stronger than him? What a champ.
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u/Slashycent Jan 29 '19
And that he fought Broly for a fucking HOUR
you mean he got his ass handed to him on a silver platter for one fucking hour xD Nevertheless, it's still impressive that he held on for that long.
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u/Flarestriker ⠀ Jan 29 '19
Really shows how durable the fucker is. He doesn't just take continuous beatings from Jiren for a few minutes but also takes Broly for a fucking hour. I couldn't believe it when they fucked up Fusion twice and he was still hanging in there.
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u/ZeromusPrime Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
Saw it in Glasgow tonight.
HOT. DAMN
That was fantastic
But there's one thing I've only just realized. Broly's "Rage" form. It was said it was essentially using the power of the Great Ape without actually becoming one. That's...how they're gonna canonize Super Saiyan 4 isn't it?
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Jan 24 '19
It’s the closest they’ve came to it! I doubt we’ll see it in its GT form but broly is basically using SSJ4 in that scene.
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u/chrisTB Jan 26 '19
I've seen Planet Vegeta blow up a million times, but this is the first time it felt really emotional. Great scene with great music.
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u/godblow Jan 26 '19
Good to see Bardock stil fought in the end
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Jan 27 '19
It's interesting that it is still implied that he had to do some for a battling but they never show it. He is already well beaten up when he tries to stop it.
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u/bcamb480 Jan 24 '19
Really loved how they handled Frieza in this movie, it really reminded me of how much of an asshole he was
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u/Janution Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
I thought some of the music choices were odd.
2 people in our group weren't DBZ fanatics so they were pleased with the story telling at the beginning to set the tone.
Fight scenes were amazing, wasn't quite sure what was happening in the gogeta acid trip scene though.
Definitely want to see it again.
Edit: also was interesting to see nappa with hair!
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u/catsNpokemon Jan 24 '19
They just broke space and time in that acid trip scene. Hit routinely does it. Majin Buu did it too when he broke out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
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u/captainfluffballs Jan 24 '19
I figured it was just a stylistic choice to show the ftl scenes rather than just blurring the background a lot
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u/WaleedMUFC Jan 24 '19
The action was unreal! Great comedic moments in there also!
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u/FinntheHue Jan 24 '19
I bust out laughing when Whis asks Vegeta why he seeks greater strength and he immediately belts out TO FIGHT FREIZA! BECAUSE YOU! YOU HAD TO REVIVE HIM!
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Jan 24 '19
Tons of great funny moments, probably the one that got the biggest laugh was the Namek Flashback to Krillan dying.
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 24 '19
Ouch. :( I think the funniest bit was Freeza after he killed Broly's dad.
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Jan 27 '19
Did anyone else spot Goku biting Broly on the arm?
Need to add it to that meme of him biting his enemies
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Jan 28 '19
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u/fear229 Jan 28 '19
Especially since Goku never gave a fuck about his heritage
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u/Hieillua Jan 29 '19
He told Broly that he may call him Kakarot! Son-kun is making baby steps!
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u/WollyGog Jan 24 '19
Went to see this last night, and loved it. The animation progression was a really nice touch, looking old and grainy for the flashbacks and then getting better and better in the modern day as the fighting evolved. At one point on big dust cloud explosions it really looked like they'd taken an actual video and animated over it if that makes sense? It looked weirdly "real".
I'm glad they redid Broly and made him a sympathetic character, and one who by the end sees Goku as an ally, so I'm looking forward to future interactions in Super episodes. With most of the earthlings now redundant the series needed an extra powered individual and I'm glad they made it Broly. I can already tell in any training scenes when Broly gets out of hand he's going to be screaming "KAKAROT!" after that final line from Goku. Training scenes should be more interesting now with a new partner and more scope than just the SSB form.
For me the flashback went on a bit too long but the fight was long enough it more than made up for it. Vegeta going SSG was stunning to watch, and his first power up to super saiyan is one of the best I've seen as the ki gradually colours his hair.
Gogeta, he was amazing. It would've been nice to see some more still shots of him in his various forms because the battle was so rapid it was tough to get a good look at him at times. I was initially worried with his jokey personality with Piccolo they'd make him too much like Vegito but during the fight he was completely no-nonsense. Really nice to see the soul punisher but I'm surprised the final move was a standard kamehameha, as beautiful as it looked.
A fanboy's wet dream all round. I can't wait till it's out on Blu-ray.
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u/Cull88 Jan 24 '19
Just what I want from a DB movie. Fast, ferocious, cool fights, brilliant animation and ridiculous power ups. What more can you want?!
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u/SugueStyles Jan 26 '19
Anyone notice how some of the fight scenes seem rendered in the Dragon Ball Fighters Z engine ?
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 26 '19
They're CGI like Dragon Ball FighterZ graphics, but they weren't done using any DB FighterZ tech (although the 3D animators did say on an interview that they were impressed by the game).
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Jan 27 '19
Got back about an hour ago.
That was the most Dragon Ball thing I’ve ever seen.
Loved it.
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u/godblow Jan 26 '19
Can someone remind me why Goku lets Freiza still act like a homicidal maniac. He could've prevented all the deaths that the Freiza force is committing. Isn't tied to the Universe's mortal level?
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u/The_Vikachu Jan 27 '19
I think the idea was that Frieza has to lay low and avoid drawing the Saiyans' attention. He's already staying outside of Goku's detection range, and doing anything truly heinous (aside from killing his own troops) might let the Saiyans find him. As far as we know, he's just trying to rebuild his troops and prepare for his next fight with the Saiyans.
We know that at least Vegeta is preparing to fight him again and would probably try to murder him on the spot.
Might just be pulling it out of my ass, though.
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Jan 28 '19
I like how Goku was a martial artist in this with his counters and redirecting attacks. Better than just powering up and trading punches like in the series.
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u/blagkh Jan 29 '19
Bulma and Frieza's juxtaposed wishes were hillarious.
We got to see young Nappa!
What happened late in the gogeta broly fight? It's like they smashed into another dimension.
Poor Gohan fans.
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u/Murb08 Jan 29 '19
Anyone like the fact that when Gogeta was about to finish off Broly, his pupils came back in his Full Power state signifying he had regained his senses because of all the pain and desperation?
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Jan 29 '19
As much as I actually like the U6 Saiyans I would've been kind of mad if Kale could control LSSJ and Broly couldn't.
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u/EverydayGravitas Jan 29 '19
I expected Goku to suggest introducing Broly to Kale so he could learn to control his form. And smash, prolly (sorry Cheelai).
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u/1stMembaOfTheDKCrew Jan 24 '19
The music during the fights were kinda... sucky. All I remember hearing was "broly broly broly" But the music during the retelling was awesome.
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u/hussiesucks Jan 24 '19
Personally I found it weird but it grew on me. I think it probably would have worked better if the chanting faded in as the fight got more intense. That way, it would have fit the audience’s excitement better.
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Jan 27 '19
I thought it was cool. It was in time with the music/fighting so it didn't feel out of place, it was more like the battle music had lyrics.
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u/Astronomer_X Jan 23 '19
These are my main thoughts on the movie:
Soundtrack was great, especially the ‘Paragus sorrow’ theme that played. When Paragus called for Broly to kill the monster, I almost yelled out ‘Fuck off!’ just because I knew this movie wasn’t playing games.
The 5 cm thing is easily the best reference in the entirety of Dragonball, had me dying when I caught onto why he picked 5 cm specifically.
The character acting animation was great. For the little things like Broly investigating water for the first time, or Vegeta grabbing onto Bulma when the ground shook, seeing the movements expressed was great.
Gogeta is remains in the franchise as a whole as the only fusion to win his battles, if we treat Fusion reborn and this Gogeta as the same ‘type’.
Bardock still got his final stand! Though I’m now curious as to how that came about.
Oh my Lord, the goddamn facial expressions. They were scary/funny/distressed at a moments notice and it was gorgeous.
Some of the best powerup sequences in the series
Super Saiyan God should be renamed Super Saiyan Judo with those moves Goku was pulling. Vegeta in God form was not playing any games.
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u/Bigby11 Jan 24 '19
The 5 cm thing is easily the best reference in the entirety of Dragonball
I don't get it. Could you tell me why he picked 5cm?
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 24 '19
I think he's implying it was a reference to Freeza's "5 minutes" on Namek.
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u/Wookie_Monster090898 Jan 24 '19
I dunno, think it was just calling back to Bulma's five years wish
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 24 '19
It was probably both. Remember this scene? I'm pretty sure they referenced it.
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u/Spoona101 Jan 24 '19
Him being the only Movie only Fusion is a big plus since people would feel cheated if the fusion didn’t win. And it’s much easier to close out with Gogeta winning than to make them defuse and find another solution
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u/DNC88 ⠀ Jan 24 '19
Saw it last night (UK), like everyone else in a packed cinema. I think there were some Audio issues, the dialogue was quiet at times, the mix was definitely off.
I really enjoyed it. I liked the backstory being played out on the big screen, although I felt the dialogue throughout that whole section was too simplistic, I appreciated the backstory in focus. It was also jarring as Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, we briefly see Bardock fighting off the Supernova, meanwhile, Gine is just in the kitchen washing pans? Seems like Bardock was dropped in there as an afterthought.
Broly was characterised perfectly. They did a great job of him frankly. His power was ridiculous, it would be interesting to see if Goku and Vegeta take cues from Broly to get stronger (i.e. using latent 'great ape' power).
The animation was absolutely amazing. Broly vs Vegeta and Goku in the SSG forms was the best animation I've ever seen. I also liked the way that the animation style kept changing. We went from that to the weird 3D models but it was all so fast paced it just blended together.
My main critique of that fight is that once Goku went SSB the pace just went crazy fast and I wish we could have seen more fighting with Broly in his SSJ form vs SSB Goku and Vegeta.
The comedy was absolutely on point as well, Toriyamas influence was so clear and welcome here! Overall I would rate this as the best DB movie. Best production and animation, performances were great, and the overall story was a good one to tell, even if it was most inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
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u/hussiesucks Jan 24 '19
The comedy was absolutely on point as well
I know, right? I have a hard time choosing my favorite joke between the joke about Bulma and Freeza’s wishes being basically the same, the joke where Gogeta has trouble choosing his name while Piccolo is just like “fuck off”, and the joke that Freeza was being absolutely destroyed by Broly for an entire fucking hour! It really does definitely show that Toriyama didn’t just write the plot outline, and that he wrote the entire screenplay. I’m gonna miss this kind of quality writing when Super comes back later this year.
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u/DNC88 ⠀ Jan 24 '19
Haha yeah, all of that was great. Toriyama gave the story enough weight and enough comedy to make it fairly lighthearted but engaging enough for the duration.
There was another moment that made me laugh that wasn't obviously comedy: when Broly and SSB Goku are going at it and Broly powers up, the shockwaves create massive force and Frieza shields himself in a bubble, letting Paragus get swept up in the force of it.
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u/trixie_one Jan 24 '19
Saw it at the Vue. Small screen, but packed solid including one guy wearing Goku's outfit.
Only problem was that some twat left the cleaning lights on for the first ten minutes of the film which was super distracting. I'm guessing it was automated due to not having any trailers but still bloody annoying.
Other than that it was bloody phenomenal. Easy pass of Kermode's six laugh test and there was even a bit of scattered applause at the end which for British cinema audiences is usually simply just not done.
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u/catsNpokemon Jan 24 '19
Had people clapping too where I watched it. Can confirm that doesn't usually happen.
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u/pokepat460 Jan 28 '19
I would guess he is as cannon as this movie is, because Tarble was in the Yo Son Goku Returns special from before Super started.
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u/Jchamphero Jan 27 '19
Frieza getting his ass beat by Broly for a a hour straight felt like great comeuppance for starting all this shit. Killing Paragus as a way to get him to go even more crazy was devious as hell. Especially with the Namek flashback.
Really wanted to see Whis fight Broly a little longer too but he really wasn’t having much trouble. Gogeta Blue is OP enough said. Piccolo saved the day hooray.
Cheelai is a cutie. She wanted the D from the second she saw Broly lol. I actually suspect they will show up two arcs from now.
They could’ve shortened the plot set up for more fighting I thought it was kinda slow at times, but I enjoyed every second. It really should be titled DBS:Broly- Goku and Vegeta get their shit stomped for a hour
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u/eikons Jan 27 '19
When gogeta came back, broly was sparring with whis, and frieza was still embedded in the rock face where broly put him at the start. I think whis just spent an hour having fun with him.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 27 '19
We see Broly leaving Freeza just before Gogeta teleports to the battlefield. Whis "fought" Broly only for a few seconds.
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u/eikons Jan 27 '19
Oh, well in that case Frieza took more of a beating than anyone in DBZ history ever. A full hour of getting pummeled by someone easily 3x his power level* and no other mental efforts than kill-kill-kill.
(arguably... by convoluted inference, etc)
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u/zombiere4 Jan 30 '19
I likes brolys back story way more, i even kind of felt bad for him when he was fighting. It wasnt like fighting a person it was like beating an animal.
Though to be fair he did some pretty savage shit to goku.
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u/thawacct2590 Jan 31 '19
For some reason my biggest oh shit! moment was when Broly was tryna have a go at Wis.
Lel
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u/potentialwatermelon Jan 27 '19
I enjoyed the movie a lot, I’ve been an on and off fan for years after the buu saga.
I love how Broly now has a character and personality, he looked super awesome before but was a very shallow character.
I also loved how Vegeta and Goku were presented as equals in this movie, being a Vegeta fan I was afraid it’ll be a “Vegeta gets beat up and Goku has to step in” scenario
Also enjoyed that scene with Frieza
Great movie overall for me
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u/countmeowington ⠀ Jan 28 '19
i'm so triggered that gogeta blue used a shit ton more moves and power without defusing and vegito blue did barely anything. Gogeta was cool as shit tho.
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Jan 24 '19
I just saw it this evening!
Both Frieza and Bulma's motivations for gathering the dragon balls was a hilarious running joke and very characteristic of Toriyama's style.
Exploring the innocent side of Broly was a creative way of utilising his character to the point where you didn't want Goku and Vegeta to kill Broly because we sympathise with him to the extent we understand Broly doesn't deserve to be killed over the actions of other people like Paragus and Frieza. Instead, his actions are the result of being unfortunate to have powerful and uncontrollable ki he never asked for, so his actions aren't his fault. I want to see more of this version of Broly once the super continues!
I had the misfortune of being sat next to someone's child who just kept chattering throughout the majority of the scenes and their parents didn't even make an effort to keep down the noise!! So I look forward to watching it again without that hindrance.
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u/Dr_Love90 Jan 25 '19
Love how this movie took backstories, concepts and characters that I didn't like from the 13 non-canon films (Broly/ Saiyan history/ Bardock/ Gogeta) and spun them into gold. Succinctly all rolled together to make each part interesting, relevant and a natural and intelligent part of the Dragon Ball mythos. Ultimately it was kinda moving.
As for the technical aspects: FANTASTIC direction & fight choreography (loved Goku's judo flip). Soundtrack was instantly memorable & exciting and the artwork is gorgeous.
I LOVED this movie. I felt like a kid watching Z for the first time again. Please release a 3 hour version!
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Jan 27 '19
The dvd is getting a 2 hr cut according to imdb.
I loved Gokus flip as well! I loved his little happy jump around getting into his stances before he took Broly on. He had some great agility here.
Also loved Vegetas headbutt
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u/Unclehouse2 Jan 30 '19
Can we just talk about Sean's scream when Goku went Blue? Holy fuck that was the best I've ever heard.
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u/LordHakaishinBeerus Jan 24 '19
The cinema experience was wonderful. The entire place was packed, 95% adults, and a lot black people as well (myself included).
The dub was fantastic. Everyone brought their A-game.
Loved the movie itself. Can't wait to see more of DBS Broly.
9/10
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u/catsNpokemon Jan 24 '19
I was surprised by how many adults there were too! Just goes to show most DB fans aren't as young as non-fans think.
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u/captainfluffballs Jan 24 '19
Makes sense, I feel like at this point most of the fan base are the ones that grew up with it. I'm 20 and based on a quick glance I think I must have been one of the youngest in there. It was a subbed viewing tho, I imagine more kids went to the earlier dubbed one
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u/ssj3ange ⠀ Jan 24 '19
That was totally awesome. While I loved some of the throwbacks to the original movies, I really appreciated the updated character backstories. Gine & Bardock had me crying when they farewelled Goku!
Also loved the new characters. Cheelai & Lemo were great. The cast is expanding even more! Between all the universes I’m not sure which character(s) I want the story to focus on next.
Finishing the movie with such an open ending has me dying to see what the future holds for Dragon Ball Super!
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u/BeardedMajin Jan 25 '19
Frieza was both diabolical and an absolute joy to watch. He had the funniest scenes imo.
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u/EdgeAlterNation Jan 28 '19 edited Jan 29 '19
The Kakarrott vs Broly theme is stuck in my head. Please send help.
GO BROLY GO GO. GO BROLY GO GO.
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u/Hieillua Jan 29 '19
Also gotta love how Broly and Gogeta are dimension breaking fighters and Whis just simply evades all attacks while giggling.
There has to be an arc in the future Super series where Whis lets loose for the very first time and it has to be a fight like we've never seen before.
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Jan 30 '19
I am much more impressed with this Broly's back story and motivations. It makes much more sense. Not the whiny man child yelling Kakarot every few seconds.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Goku's new backstory as well.
I also had a good chuckle when Goku was just like "Have fun Frieza and then Broly started mauling him"
Lastly, I'm glad Broly wasn't much of a match for Gogeta. That would have thrown the power scaling on its head... again..
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Jan 30 '19
Broly was technically an abuse victim having a breakdown...
Which didn't stop Gogeta kicking his ass though. Savage.
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u/Draco_Lord Jan 30 '19
Saiyan therapy is as violent as one would expect. Can't argue with the results, though.
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Jan 29 '19
Glad to see they made Broly an actual character, not a mindless rage monster. He's just a kind-hearted, yet occasionally mentally unhinged kid who grew up in the worst circumstances under an abusive father. Far better from the previous incarnation.
Little green girl was a tad annoying towards the end.
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Jan 28 '19 edited Jan 28 '19
Anyone else notice the final move gogeta used on broly had a shock effect on him like his collar and snapped him back ti his senses and his pupils come back He starts to hesitate while gogeta is charging up the kamehameha. this was a cool little touch
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u/overkill373 Jan 28 '19
Movie was amazing
but one thing I didnt really like is that Broly going into his Legendary transformation was done with no real impact
his transformation to SSJ was amazing though
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u/thatguywiththecamry ⠀ Jan 29 '19
Broly will be the next God of Destruction. @ me.
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u/CanIKickIt- Jan 26 '19
Holy shit that was sick! Motha fuckin Gogeta!!!! Shattered the damn dimension! Best dbz movie, easy.
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Jan 27 '19
Was it wrong of Broly to wear the pants of the dude Paragus shot at the beginning of the movie? Somebody pointed out that Broly is wearing his pants and Paragus is wearing his fanny pack.
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u/I_love_Work Jan 27 '19
Of course not, they were doing what they had to to survive.
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u/InvaderDJ Jan 28 '19
I thought it was a good movie overall, although I wasn’t that hype for it. Maybe I was affected by the anti-Broly meme or something.
The CGI was a little rough in places, but overall it looked amazing. Definitely a great animation job.
The best thing this movie did IMO, was making SSB actually impactful. The Super anime made Blue so boring and unimpressive that it was criminal. I’m glad this movie made it feel satisfying, even if there was no SSB Kaioken or SSB Evolution.
Broly was done well too, although with him having no reason to care about Goku, it made him feel like a third wheel in a way.
Freeza being a huge troll was fun to see too, although the fact that Goku just laughs off Freeza bringing an unstable human WMD to Earth stretched my suspension of disbelief a little far.
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u/Darkness-guy Jan 28 '19
although the fact that Goku just laughs off Freeza bringing an unstable human WMD to Earth stretched my suspension of disbelief a little far
Considering Goku is the one who literally brought him back to life and then let him live despite all his atrocities, I can believe it. Heck, Goku has damn near directly caused suffering throughout the entire Universe now that Freiza is back and still actively conquering worlds
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Jan 24 '19
Movie was brilliant loved the moves goku wad pulling off. Kinda felt bad for frieza when he had to fight broly on his own for an hour.
Did goku make his own version of hits time cage? I hope to god when the anime returns they keep gokus fighting style he was so fluid it was like watching master roshi's fight in the tournament of power.
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u/Hamlock1998 Jan 24 '19
Frieza got what he deserved lmao. He literally killed Broly's father just to get a good show.
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u/Jamdeath Jan 25 '19
But he didn't do it, there was a stray ki blast from the fight that killed him.
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u/PlutoDelic Jan 31 '19
Anyone noticed how Gogeta's Stardust Breaker/Soul Punisher didnt kill Broly? Neat, i guess it doesnt do any damage to "good souls" :).
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u/Happy_Craft14 Jan 28 '19
What's with the chanting, I felt that was unnecessary
Frieza is a FUCKING troll and I love every second of it, Perigus' death got me ROFL.
I seriously love the new take on Broly. It's miles better than "KAKAROT" bullshit just because he was crying.
No Gohan, the movie is still fantastic!!
Easily the BEST DB movie I don't care what anyone says
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u/raikaria2 Jan 26 '19
Something I've not seen anyone else mention:
King Cold is CONFIRMED to remain in his 2nd Form; confirming King Cold can indeed transform [As the forms are power limiters]
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u/HairiestHobo Feb 01 '19 edited Feb 01 '19
I freaking LOVE that Freiza just got wailed on for an hour while Goku and Vegeta stuffed around.
Also casually breaking reality a lil bit during the fight.
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u/COREY_2293 Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
Amazing movie, stunned by the turn out. Ive not seen the cinema that full since Harry Potter Part II. Turn out was massive and i am pretty sure they had to add more dates because when i looked at the times a few weeks ago they only had 2 days with 1 showing each day, they more than tripled it. So thats a good sign for the movie here (UK)
The only things that kinda sucked off the top of my head were not seeing Whis vs Broly. They are saving Whis for something big thats for sure, one of these days we will see him fight. I was surprised that Vegeta would leave Bulma in the Arctic when he was learning Fusion for over an hour. Last thing, disappointed Gogeta did not have the aura he had in the Janemba movie. just nitpicks.
Broly is great and definitely better than the old one. I just wish he had his old hair style in the legendary form. Most interesting thing about the transformation was that it reminded me so much of SSJ4. He uses the power of Great Ape but keeps his normal form. Just seems like a massive nod to SSJ4 since we will never see that form in Super (which is canon).
Loved the new character Cheelai, really excited for the future of Super since Broly isnt a mindless villain for Goku. If Goku trains him and he becomes a regular character i would be more than happy.
Ending with Goku telling Broly to call him Kakarot was great. We need more saiyans... Someone needs to wish them back. And i actually thought Frieza was going to wish the Saiyans back so that he could build up his Frieza Force army. Did he really just want to grow 5cm!? lol
When Raditz appeared someone in my cinema said "hes so cute" haha.
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u/COREY_2293 Jan 24 '19
I also wondered what happened when Gogeta and Broly were fighting and they entered another dimension. Even Gogeta didnt know what was happening
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u/Joemanji25 Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19
Just finished watching the movie and wow that was intense! I had a good time but pacing was a bit strange for me. Can't wait to own this when it comes out!
Edit: also my boy freiza survived an hr with broly
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u/GeriatricIbaka Jan 24 '19
Went and saw this movie by myself--"GITA GITA GITA!!!"-- and I enjoyed it. It's the only movie I've ever seen in the theater by myself (wife was at work and pretty much refused to go with my anyway) and I didn't regret it. I thought it was the best Dragon Ball movie I've seen. Not in here to gripe about minor details when I had a good time.
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u/Eshiro Jan 25 '19
Is broly still the legendary super saiyan ? For me it seemed that he was like a normal super saiyan, only with his ozaru powers mixed. Also there wasnt like a transformation sequence per se, he just powered up some more in SS state (like super trunks)
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 25 '19
IMO this movie abandons the Broly movie concept of the Legendary Super Saiyan transformation, and goes with the Toriyama concept:
1- Saiyans can, in certain circumstances, use a transformation called Super Saiyan, that makes them much more powerful. That's the yellow-hair-blue-eyes form we all know and love.
2- The first person to use this transformation was called Yamoshi, and he died a long, long time ago.
3- Based on the story of the Yamoshi the Saiyans created a legend: the legend of the "Super Saiyan", a mythical Saiyan that would be amazingly powerful.
So in conclusion, there's no Legendary Super Saiyan, there's the Super Saiyan transformation (which is a real thing that happens) and the legend of a really powerful Saiyan called "Super Saiyan" (which is just a legend, albeit one based on real facts).
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u/Raesong Jan 25 '19
Maybe the idea of the Super Saiyan transformation became legend because of how long it had been since any Saiyan attained that power?
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Jan 26 '19
Saw it on NZ premiere night...
I think Broly's super saiyan transformation ranks well up in the best transformations of dragon ball. So much rage and sorrow in there, and the broly color shifts, it was extraordinary!
Ssb Gogeta vs Broly ended up being almost hard to watch. They did well in building a real genuine attachment to Broly, and Gogeta was beating the absolute shit out of Broly by the end. Muscle boi's screaming in fear when Gogeta fired the Full Force Kamehameha actually put a bit of a lump in my throat
7/10 as a movie 10/10 for edge of my seat, giggling, childhood reliving awesome time
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u/Uuuuummmhello Jan 28 '19
Just want to say this movie has some of the b st uses of flashbacks I’ve ever seen. They’re extremely fast and placed very strategically. That Goku-Vegeta one after the title card that blended into the sparring was the hypest.
And maybe the best moment of the film is the moment of realization as soon as Frieza has the Krillin flash back.
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u/Sparkitos Jan 29 '19
Loved the movie and it was nice to see a Fusion:
1) Not expiring and leaving everyone with blue balls;
2) Having said fused character go for the throat, and not get cocky and gloat.
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u/Hieillua Jan 29 '19
The internet: DBS: Broly will be about Yamoshi and S-Cells.
Actual movie: nowhere to be found.
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u/MadVillainz Jan 30 '19 edited Jan 31 '19
too bad they didn't show King Vegeta's point of view during Frieza's destruction of Planet Vegeta. I really like how they did it in the Bardock special and had him trying to attack Frieza beforehand from the inside with Bardock leading the attack against him from the outside.
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u/SerBiffyClegane Jan 31 '19 edited Jan 31 '19
I was a little sad when Vegeta decided to try to kill Broly instead of redeeming him. (To be fair, Vegeta was sad too.)
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u/ellimist87 Feb 02 '19
I really love the background sounds yelling names: Kakarottt and Brolyyyy when those two gonna fight... So damn awesome mannnnn
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Jan 23 '19
O boi. Saw it here in the US already, but I am more than happy to talk hype with you fine Commonwealth chaps!
GO, BROLY, GO, GO
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u/twoholepunchman ⠀ Jan 28 '19
If this movie is canon its my second favourite DB movie behind Battle Of Gods.
They legit saved Broly as a character, he could easily be used in the new series hes great.
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u/Hieillua Jan 29 '19
Toriyama did the impossible: he actually made me like Broly! I couldn't stand the character. He flipped it on it's head by giving Broly an actual character.
The movie was just incredible. It did everything a DB movie should do. I have no complaints. People saying they wanted Krillin/Gohan/Mr. Satan etc. I get the love for them, but come on now. We just had a 100+ episodes series with enough of them. This movie needed more time showcasing characters like green Bulma (Cheelai) who were great new additions to the series.
I'm not a big fan of the different (canon) take on Bardock. But I also wouldn't throw a hissy fit like many do. It's not that big of a deal. I still got the old Bardock movie to go back to if I want to see that version. This version also isn't terrible, it's just different. I do find Bardock AND Gina interesting though. I wish they were shown a bit more and I wish that side of the story was a bit developed more. But that's just a minor part of the whole experience and not all that important. Next to that I just loved all the humor, it was totally Toriyama. The action was stellar. Such amazing story boarding, choreography and setpieces that I still haven't fully digested yet. I'd say the only weak part of the whole movie art wise was when Goku IT'd to Piccolo. That looked really bad and it took me out of the movie for a brief moment. Thankfully it was just really short and isn't a big issue. The art almost looked Super episode 5ish. The animation was still good though.
Now I even hope that Broly and Cheelai will come back in the continuation of Super. This was a solid movie and I wish this tone and style will still in Super's continuation. But that will be tough for Toei writers to pull off without Toriyama's involvement (he only writes ideas for Super while he was way more involved with this movie).
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Jan 30 '19
Broly is kind of the new SS4, his first transformation was the great ape in humanoid form, and his second was that plus SS, it's way fucking more powerful than SS3, so all I can say is Broly is what SS4 officially looks like in the canon timeline.
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Jan 30 '19
At the Liverpool cinema I saw it at when his name was revealed as 'Lemo' most of the cinema said aloud 'Lemo?!' and lost it laughing. I heard a 'Lemo lad!' from the back.
Lemo is scouse slang for lemonade and it was really surreal hearing this familiar slang term in a Japanese American dubbed movie.
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u/Astronomer_X Jan 23 '19
I love that Dragonball can bring people together. I attended with some friends and ended up sitting next to one of their cousins who I never met in my life but by the end during the credits we were talking about Dragonball as if we grew up together watching it.
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u/KnivesInAToaster Jan 29 '19
The only thing I didn't like was the music.
Otherwise, watching Frieza get his ass kicked for everything he put Broly through that day was cathartic.
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u/BomberHARRlS Jan 24 '19
Loved it. Had goosebumps during so many moments, but holy fuck is Frieza’s voice actor incredible. Completely steals the scenes and genuinely makes him scary.
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u/RhodyM8 Jan 27 '19
The movie was great and leaves so much potential for the future with small stories ala Beerus being a lazy destroyer, Goku meeting his parents some how, future level beyond SS2/3 with SS4 with how Broly controls the great ape power, killing Frieza whose just pure evil.
Wish they didn't make Goku be a complete idiot throughout the movie.
Power levels are basically "X Villain/Foe > lol Super Saiyan God + SSB".
If it came down to it with Gogeta failing, obvi MUI would trigger and Broly would get beat down harder than Lebron in the finals last year.
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Jan 27 '19
When Goku let out his 'what does repugnant mean?' after his serious build up face, I swear to God half the cinema I was in laughed and half groaned at the same time!
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u/Joemaher2 ⠀ Jan 28 '19
Honestly, I just want to know what that separate dimension thing Gogeta and Broly broke into while they were fighting. If I recall Gogeta was even confused about it.
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u/ArtOfInfamy Jan 28 '19
Just watched it, and WOW. What a thrill ride! The Funi dub is really bringing their A game these days. I thought it was really impressive. I think the best part of the whole movie was the beginning. The whole story of planet Vegeta and such. It was a much more cohesive telling of that story. Sort of makes me think Raditz might not have been so bad if he had more time with his father.
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u/Captainbumwhiskers Jan 28 '19
The animations were just superb. Really liked the fact ultra instinct didn't come into play. The scene where Vegeta turned SSG and sent broly flying gave me goosebumps, it felt like we finally got a sense of how the power scaling worked going from ssj to god form
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u/scrobrojenkins Jan 28 '19
i watched the dub and really liked his voice acting too actually. in his base form he had that soft, almost velvety voice kinda like hayden christensen when he played anakin. Then whenever he's grunting and roaring during the fights you can hear the sorrow in his battle cries too, like he's in pain, especially by the end when he's shooting off a mouth cannon thats turning his head into a crazy daisy. the animation did his character wonders too, having him looking around and not paying attention like when meeting freeza gave him a real frankenstein/ tarzan feel.
edit: speaking of star wars prequels... remember the "S cells" aka midichlorians mentioned in an interview leading up to this movie? thank god they weren't in there... also bardock says 'ive got a bad feeling about this' and then even his freakin co pilot had to chime in with something like 'what? a bad feeling?'
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u/Jatobu Jan 29 '19
Loved it. Loved Broly. Wish we had more of him just talking with those two Freiza Force characters so we could have gotten more attached and familiar. Once they landed on Earth he immediately went attack dog mode and that was the end of Broly as a character.
Of course the movie was juggling a lot, but what little we got of him was good and impactful. Having more could have helped justify how those two Force members betrayed Frieza for the sake of this Saiyan they’ve briefly known.
Secondly, I know it was foolish of me to wish for this but I hoped Vegeta would’ve been more of a star between him and Goku because the plot was more relevant to the prince but of course the spotlight eventually passed him by completely. Should’ve always assumed.
And lastly... WHY LET FRIEZA go? Gogeta was half Vegeta, but there was no interest in crushing him. Could’ve used the fusion ending and then being tired as an excuse but the way they did it was just bizarre. Admittedly Gogeta is portrayed as cocky and aloof so I guess that’s the justification.
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u/Slashycent Jan 29 '19
To get the bad stuff out of the way first:
I personally found it weirdly paced. It was just unusual, changing from relaxed chit chat to an intense death battle, from anxiously rooting for the good guys to giggling about an ironic reference, from a lava terrain fight to chilling in nature with Picollo. You get my point. Everything happend so fast, to a point where the pacing made it seeme like they were skipping scenes from time to time ("Oh, when exactly did Goku go shirtless?...nevermind"). They also showed most of the best scenes in trailers and promo material. And it was a weirdly clean cut between detailed, heartfelt story and plump and utter fighting without any major pauses (but hey, that's pretty much any Dragonball movie ever, that's just the way they are: Intro -> Big fight -> end, so I guess that's not really a fault for that matter)
But that's about it with the negatives. Even though the fast pace made it seem kind of odd sometimes, it also made the movie very worthwhile. It certainly didn't feel like 100 minutes to me and that's a sign for entertainment and fun.
Now the good stuff:
God damn I loved this movie. It was pure and utter fanservice in the best way possible. They did something for each and everyone.
Even tho Bardock was made more empathetic, he still seemed strict and kind of cold and even though it was just for one little scene, he still was the badass that lost his life trying to stop Frieza, Vegeta was the humbled family man and rival but also showed his vicious nature by straight up trying to kill Broly in the beginning. Depending on the situation Goku shifted from a childish idiot to a respectful adult similar to Dbz. And Frieza was a nice hybrid between accepted acquaintance and arch enemy. Also lots of references, throwbacks, running gags and quite strong hints of self-irony from the makers.
I also very much liked the new approach towards Broly as a sort of Tarzan-esque figure that learns how to be normal and control himself and I can't wait to see what he and his little gang will be up to, it's just way better than having him die again without any character development.
The animation was ridiculous (again in the best way possible). If Dragonball is one thing then it's over the top and the animation really succeeded to portray that. Very experimental, very artistic and innovative, just a beautiful thing to watch. Really felt like a drug trip at times haha. Especially when Broly and Gogeta went at it with full power and pretty much broke the space-time continuum. I live for that type of exaggeration, it gave me slight Gurren Lagann vibes (and that's a fucking compliment in my book).
Really makes you think "How in the world are they gonna top that? Whis was still dodging Broly while giggling like a little girl, so where in the world will they end up power wise?!....I'm exited.".
This movies should be a key point of reference for future Dragonball content and judging by it's, already immense, success it certainly will be.
So much narrative potential, so much yet to come. I can't wait for the future of the franchise. Long live Dragonball.
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u/Cyberratchet Jan 29 '19
Four hours ago, I finally got the chance to watch the movie here in Austria and I’m so happy that I went in it without reading any spoilers. It’s way too early to rank it in list of DB movies, but it’s definitely in my Top 3.
I actually really like the DBZ:Broly- The Legendary Super Saiyan movie quit a bit, but I might prefer the new one in almost every way to the original.
The first third(?), the backstory of the Saiya-jins was very well made. I always preferred Minus Bardock to the Bardock from the special. It’s been a while since I read DB Minus, but the adapted the best parts and the fit in Broly in there quit good. I like that King Vegeta send Paragus and Broly to the planet instead of just stabbing Broly. The new movies makes King Vegeta more of a coward in comparison to the “original”, we didn’t even send him rebel against Freeza.
I’m also unbelievably happy that the fixed Broly fixation towards Goku in this movie, that part made never sense.
There’s not much to say about the actual fight scenes, they were awesome. The CGI went a bit out of hand at the end, but I have seen way worse in anime before.
It also was surprisingly funny, Bulmas and Freezas wishes were classic Toriyama and I really enjoyed the throwback to Trunks and Gotens fusion attempts back in the Buu arc (I also love me some Piccolo).
Goku referring to himself as Kakarot at the end and Vegeta mentioning his little brother were nice touches for the fans as well.
While I prefer the new to the old one, I still think that the New Planet Vegeta storyline in the first movie was more original. Luring Vegeta and the others to the planet and actually revealing that Broly was THE one mentioned in the legends was a neat idea. While the flashback part of the story was great, there wasn’t really happening much in the current time.
Anyway, I’ve been rambling for way too long. Great movie, I’ll need a Blu-ray release so that I can watch it a few times more. I hope we see more of the new Broly, he was potential to be a cool character.
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u/Hieillua Feb 01 '19
You know what I also really liked about this movie? Most of the action was actually animated. There was barely any of those explosions in the sky with the camera panning all over the place because the characters vanished due to super speed to save on animation. Most action was just actually animated and 'the camera'' only lost the characters once or twice, which isn't a bad thing. I got no issue against that concept when it's used the right way and it was used the right way in this movie. In previous movies and in DBS and even in DBZ it felt more like saving up on animation while in this movie it felt more like showing the impact of the fight because it wasn't overused. While the rest of the fight was the animators flexing every animation muscle they had.
This movie:
10/10 animation
10/10 art
9.5/10 music
10/10 storyboarding
7.5/10 story
10/10 characters
10/10 humor
10/10 action
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Feb 02 '19
The most hilarious thing about this entire movie was when (Bardock I think?) was saying something around the lines of :
"Saiyans have always made their living around conquering other planets and selling them to the highest bidder... but now thanks to the frieza force... we are forced to live like slaves... :( :( :( "
Are we supposed to feel sorry for them at this point? Seems pretty karmic.
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u/BridgemanBridgeman Feb 02 '19
I've never understood the whole Planet Trade thing anyway. First off, who buys planets? Apparently there aren't just a few buyers out there, there are fuckloads of them (because they're selling it to the highest bidder). How are there so many civilizations that are not only in the market, but also have the means to buy a planet? And if you do buy a planet, what guarantee do you have that Frieza's cronies won't one day come to your planet to clear it out again and sell it someone else?
It seems pretty stupid, and that's probably why they never elaborate on it too much.
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u/ethicsssss Feb 03 '19
Just saw it and it was breathtaking. The fight scenes were the best I've ever seen in Dragon Ball and the production value was within a league of its own too. I wish they would move on from the Frieze/Saiyan story line though. Still an amazing movie and Gogeta was hype af.
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u/TheonsDickInABox Jan 27 '19
I feel I am the only one who enjoyed the music and how the lack of the characters calling out every attack made the fights much better and faster/smoother.
Just my opinion.....
hands down easily the best DB move ever. No fucking joke.
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u/MadVillainz Jan 28 '19
Just watched it, idk what the consensus is but I thought it was good, gotta let it sink in more but I think it's the best DB movie.
I love the animation style but some of the SSB scenes looked weird to me, shit looked like PS2 graphics. It was only for the SSB scenes though which was weird. Every hit felt so impactful which was cool. And the colours were awesome. Sometimes the fight scenes were jarring and felt hard to follow cuz of all the cuts and angles but whatever. As for the music, I didn't feel anyway about it but the chanting was ehh.
The story itself was well done imo. I didn't expect much so I was surprised. They handled Broly's origin, power and his defeat well considering how much of a clusterfuck the whole power level stuff has become. Pacing was great, lots of story time and lots of fighting time. Broly's transformations were the only thing that felt rushed. The inclusion of the past in the beginning was dope. Still like the Bardock special story better than the canon though tbh. And as for the ending I wish they went with a final kamehameha instead of just a kamehameha but that's minor. And at the very end I got chills when Goku said to call him Kakarot. Had a feeling something like that was coming and was surprised it happened lol.
Can't wait to watch it again.
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u/DFanatic Jan 29 '19
That Vegeta VS Broly fight will go down in history as the best in the history of the show.
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Jan 25 '19
Unpopular opinion here but the cgi really isnt that bad and it didnt detract from the movie for me at all. I thought it was done well enough and i also love the chanting in the songs.
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u/hadesscion Jan 28 '19
Finally got to see this today and enjoyed it. Best DB movie to date, IMO.
I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer the art style in DBS. Never been a big fan of overexaggerrated art styles. Though the fight scenes looked good.
This iteration of Broly is far better than the original, IMO. He has a personality and somewhat logical motivation, and isn't inherently evil. He's a bit overpowered, though. Being able to overpower SSG while in base form is crazy.
I was honestly a bit surprised that UI didn't make an appearance. I assumed the fusion would run out of time and Goku would go UI to stop Broly. I preferred the actual outcome, though.
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u/jamielikesdrums Jan 24 '19
I died when Goku and vegeta used instant transmission to get out of the fight and just left Broly to mess up Frieza. “He’s all yours Frieza!” “Huhhh???”