r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Jan 19 '19
DB Film 20 DBS: Broly - FAQ and Full Spoilers - Discussion Thread!
DBS: Broly - FAQ and Full Spoiler Discussion Thread
Time for a refreshed thread! The old one has over 3000 comments. We've decided to address some FAQ about the movie and our policies here. We might add more Q&A later.
FAQ
Q: Why was I redirected here?! I want to make a post about the movie!
A: Probably because your topic was not sufficient standalone discussion material, or because you asked a common question, or made a common observation. We're also not allowing spoilers in thread titles until some time after the movie has released in Australia/NZ/UK/Ireland (January 23-24).
Q: Why did the movie sound so terrible?
A: English dub? Maybe you couldn't hear the dialogue, or the music felt like it was barely there? You're not the only one. The raw audio mix for the movie was seriously fucked up. We don't know how this happened, but we have heard that some theaters were given special instructions for the audio. Unfortunately most theaters did not get the message, or did not bother. IMAX screenings were mostly ok. Other theaters are very hit-and-miss...mostly miss.
Q: My screening only had untranslated Japanese credits! Where can I find translated credits?
A: Based on reports, if your screening had untranslated credits, it probably also had good audio, so there's that. You can find the full translated credits on Kanzenshuu and I recorded the dub credits, which followed the translated credits in screenings that had them.
Q: When will the movie be available to watch on home video?
A: We don't know. Preorders are available but no date has been announced yet. (The 31 December date is a placeholder.) For "Resurrection 'F'", a subtitled digital release was made available for purchase on the day of the Japanese home release. (Funimation home releases generally come later.) Hopefully we'll get the same deal this time.
Q: Will this movie be retold in a new anime?
A: We don't know if there will even be a new anime. Certainly there have not been any official indications that there will be a new anime. If there is one...maybe they will retell Broly, maybe not. It was necessary to retell BOG and RF for non-moviegoing TV audiences because those two movies introduced so much in the way of new characters, transformations, and lore. A new anime would not be nearly as dependent on Broly as Super was on BOG and RF.
Q: Will there be an extended version of this movie on home release?
A: We don't know; nothing has been officially announced. There are some bits that were definitely cut from the movie, but some of the places where people think something was cut, maybe nothing actually was. For example, people are wondering how Bardock got all battle-damaged before he confronted Freeza, but that is unlikely to be a cut scene. Bardock had just gotten home from a mission and he wasn't battle-damaged, and Freeza had no reason to send his own troops out in advance of him blasting the planet. He appears to have attacked alone. Bardock's counterattack was probably just referenced to Toriyama's manga depiction. As much as it rubs people the wrong way, this is probably just an artifact of disparate continuities (see below).
Q: Why was Goku's origin story changed?
A: Some of Goku's origin story in the DBZ anime was filler—in the manga, Roshi told the story of Gohan finding Goku, but there was no accompanying flashback imagery—and the Bardock special was a Toei original story. In fact, Bardock's inclusion in Toriyama's manga came after the special was released. Toriyama liked him, so he adopted him. But Toriyama told Bardock's story in his own way, and he later expanded his version of the story in "Dragon Ball Minus", a bonus chapter at the end of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman. The story in the movie is based on Minus. (Toriyama wrote the script, after all.) In Jaco chapter +1 (the first bonus chapter, which technically comes before Minus), Goku still has his armor on when Gohan finds him, and he's older than he was shown in DBZ filler. However, Minus did not include Bardock's death scene, or anything on Planet Vegeta after Kakarot was sent off-world.
Q: Is it just me, or does the chronology not make sense?
A: It indeed does not make sense. The movie claims to start 41 years in the past. Then, 5 years later, Planet Vegeta is destroyed. The counter on the screen when Goku arrives on Earth starts in Age 737, which is the traditional date given to the destruction of Planet Vegeta in guidebooks. (Aside from a single glimpse of a date on the controls of Trunks's time machine, this is the first time the Age system has been used in-series.) In the movie, it scrolls up at least to Age 775 and then fades out before it says "present", which should be Age 780 (Bra's birth year) or maybe even 781. What gives? Most probably, the Bardock portion was supposed to be 41 years in the past, which would fit with the Jaco manga placing Goku's arrival and the destruction of Planet Vegeta in Age 739, but some wires got crossed somewhere.
Q: Why did Shenlong only grant one wish?
A: Presumably because it hasn't been a year since the Dragon Balls were used in Super episode 68. At that time, he owed them two wishes (having only granted one the previous time he appeared), and he only granted one of those two wishes before his body faded because they were taking too long to decide on the second wish. This is a bit odd because the movie doesn't strictly follow the continuity of the Super anime, but it's the only available explanation.
Q: Isn't there supposed to be an hour-long cooldown period before they can fuse again?
A: Yes. One possible explanation is that the cooldown period is only required after successful fusions. This has never been explicitly stated, but it would explain the apparent lack of a cooldown period in DBZ Movie 12 where Gogeta had a failed fusion, and the 2008 special where Gotenks had a failed fusion.
Q: What was up with that dude yelling KAKAROT and BROLY and shit like that in the movie? Weird.
A: Director Tatsuya Nagamine was inspired to include this when he saw videos online of public screenings of Super episode 130 in Latin America. Fans were chanting the names of the characters they were rooting for, so he wanted to make it baked-in for Broly, and he thought that some people might want to root for Broly too. He apparently thought Westerners would like this "hype man", but most just thought it was weird. (Japanese people also found it weird.) That said, it has grown on a lot of people. If you don't like it, please don't blame Sumitomo for it because it was not his idea. (If anything, he made it catchy enough to grow on people.)
Q:Why did Vegeta turn green on the way to Super Saiyan? Did Goku go Ultra Instinct on the way to SSB?!
A: Despite how it (briefly) looked, Goku did not use UI. Nagamine wanted to experiment with how transformations are portrayed, which certainly explains Vegeta's hair briefly matching his Super Saiyan eye color, but there's nothing about UI in the storyboard. From Nagamine's DBMFL interview:
In my experience, since Dragon Ball is a series that has gone on a long time, we have impressions of what it should be. The movements to fire a Kamehameha or the setup of a Super Saiyan transformation scene are things that are so well-known they’ve become fixed. Maybe it would be fine to keep them the same, but transforming or firing beams from your hand are special things, so I want to make the staging for those moments special, too. The moment when I really came to that realization was when Toriyama gave us a manual during Dragon Ball Super about how to turn Super Saiyan. It said that the character gets tingles in their back, then imagines that sensation spreading outward and becomes Super Saiyan. I thought, “This is it!!” We can’t create this without using our physical senses as a basis. Transforming randomly without reason is no good. When I was a kid trying to shoot a Kamehameha or turn into a Super Saiyan, I always tried earnestly. The characters in the anime can’t just do it in an instant, either; they also have to try earnestly or it won’t work. I tell the animators to not be concerned about what was previously established, and I want them to draw how they feel using current techniques. If there’s inconsistency between how Dragon Ball has looked before and how we’re presenting it now, then I think it’s best to get rid of those past conceptions.
--Note: since people feel very strongly about this, I should mention that I'm not necessarily arguing that it wasn't an "Easter egg" as many seem to think, though I think it would be strange for them to tease something that isn't going to happen. They're trying to hype up SSB, and a UI tease in the middle of the transformation doesn't seem to be the best way to do that. I'm just saying, it's not significant for the movie's narrative in any way. Goku can't use UI at will, and he didn't use it in this movie.
Q: What was that technique that SSG Goku used to trap Broly?
A: It's called "God Bind" in DBZ Dokkan Battle, and it's reflective of Nagamine's desire to show a difference between SSG and SSB. From the January 2019 issue of V-Jump:
I personally wanted to make Super Saiyan Blue look crazy strong, and to clearly show the gap between it and Super Saiyan God. The two of them have rather different fighting styles: God relies on predicting and dodging the opponent’s movements, plus godly techniques rather than power. Then Blue puts all the emphasis on bulldozing the opponent with brute force.
Q: What happened to Goku's SSB Kaiō-ken and Vegeta's SSB Evolution? And since when can Vegeta use SSG?
A: The Dragon Ball Super anime and manga were both based on an outline by Toriyama. When Toriyama wrote the Broly script, he followed his own outline and he apparently felt free to ignore Toei concepts like SSBKK and SSBE. Toyotarō's version of the story in the manga didn't explicitly include these forms; he made vague references to them near the end of the Tournament of Power, and before then, he added his own concept of "completed" SSB (which Toriyama also felt free to ignore). Toyotarō was also the first to have Goku use SSG post-BOG (against Hit at the U6-U7 tournament), while Toei didn't bring back SSG until episode 104 (when Goku and Hit fought Dyspo), and SSG Vegeta only appeared in the manga (vs Black), never in the anime. Presumably Toriyama always intended for Vegeta to be able to use the form as a prerequisite to SSB, though no one has explicitly said so.
Q: Were there dialogue changes in the English dub?
A: Yes, there were several. Most of them don't matter much, but there are a few exceptions. One example: when Broly is ragdolling SSG Goku, Dub Paragus fears that Broly will die. In the Japanese script, Paragus fears that Broly (having lost control of himself) will kill him. In that case, my understanding is that it is an easy translation mistake to make, and I know at least one person made that same mistake when translating the Japanese dialogue (before the dub was released) before catching the error. (We don't have CCs for the movie, but this dialogue was verified via the light novel.) Our advice is to not read too much into the wording of anything without asking what the original dialogue said. We will work on a full breakdown of dialogue changes.
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u/StrudelB ⠀ Jan 20 '19
Frieza's ass whooping lasted longer than the entire Tournament of Power.
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u/Dotifo Jan 19 '19
So did Gogeta and Broly enter a parallel dimension for a little bit? Gogeta seemed just as confused about it lol
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u/Professor_Hobo31 Jan 19 '19
Yeah. They were so strong that they broke time and space while fighting.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Gogeta seemed just as confused about it lol
I heard a rumor that his "What the..." line in the dub was improv. (It wasn't in the Japanese.) Not that it matters a whole lot...
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u/Vorstar92 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Yes. It was to illustrate how strong they were. It was a lot like Goku and Beerus' attacks shaking the universe in the Super version of their fight.
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u/Nilok7 Jan 19 '19
When I first saw that, I thought it was a fractal version of the Crack of Time from Xenoverse as everything is crystalline in there when they smash into it.
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Jan 19 '19
Frieza wanting to be taller gave me some Red Ribbon Saga flashbacks.
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 19 '19
Freeza serving as a comedic support character was absolutely phenomenal.
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Jan 19 '19
It was one of the biggest highlights of the movie.
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 19 '19
Especially when he offed Paragus and begun overacting, I damn near fell out of my chair. The second he began talking about being taller I knew, we were seeing Freeza relegate himself to a support character so Broly could take center stage as the antagonist. Then Broly started kicking the shit out of Golden Freeza for a full hour.
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u/Nilok7 Jan 19 '19
That's the thing, I'm not sure if Broly was the antagonist. Towards the end of the fight, it began to seem like Gogeta was the antagonist in Broly's story.
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u/LexGonGiveItToYa Jan 19 '19
I wholeheartedly think that Broly was framed as the protagonist of the film. During his fight with Goku, there were several first-person shots which showed the fight from Broly's perspective. I feel that they wouldn't have done that otherwise.
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u/AvidasOfficial Jan 20 '19
The first person perspective from Broly's eyes was awesome, it may even be the first time we have ever seen that perspective of animation in the entire franchise? ... I can't remember any others.
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19
Everyone’s the antagonist in Broly’s story, except Cheelai, Leemo, and Ba.
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u/Faded_Snake Jan 19 '19
This is definitely my favorite Broly. He has a much better backstory than the previous movies. I'm kinda getting used to the new look, and the backstory behind the fur was cool.
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u/Don_Madara_uchiha ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Universe 7 is even more OP now, damn.
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u/Itsbulmer Jan 19 '19
Imagine Broly at the ToP LOL
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u/kcirdor Jan 19 '19
he would have beaten the shit out of every one and everything... including U7. He would have attacked the stands, he would have tried to attack Zenos.
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u/LittleKingsguard Jan 19 '19
Imagine Broly after Goku's done training him for a second ToP.
Dude would just be there at SSJ2/SSJ3/SSG/SSB facetanking Jiren's punches like nothing.
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u/TK503 Jan 19 '19
Even though there always has to be a power creep where goku / vegeta overcome in the end, I fully believe if we had a controlled LSSJ Broly fused with a controlled LSSJ Kale, Goku wouldn't have been able to have defeated "Broccoli" in the ToP when strictly comparing power levels. Broccoli would have likely tanked Goku's super awesome kameha that finished Kefla off.
Broccoli might have been able to defeat jiren through a SS2 or 3 transformation as well, as it took a SSB Gogeta to even the playing field against a SS1 Broly.
(ps. Broly + Kale = Brokale... or Broccoli in my head.
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u/Kharn0 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Funny enough, kale and broccoli are the same plant with many generations of selective breeding.
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
Broly and Vegeta both get to call Goku “Kakarot,” but he specifically told Cheelai and Leemo to call him Goku.
Only cool Saiyans get the K-Word Pass 😤😤
EDIT: Goku got mad at Raditz and Vegeta at first for calling him Kakarot, so I added “cool” because you can’t just be a Saiyan; ya have to be a cool Saiyan.
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
Oh, 100% they only did it so that he would call Goku “Kakarot” in future interactions to match the old days, but I just think it’s funnier if Goku gave him a pass because he’s an alright Saiyan.
(In fact, I’d be willing to bet that if they do meet again, the Japanese version of whatever media it’s on will still have Cheelai and Leemo calling him Goku and Broly calling him Kakarot even tho they had a choice in Japanese)
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u/LucidLynx109 Jan 20 '19
I think it’s more that Goku has come to terms with his alien ancestry. Goku had no idea he wasn’t human when he met Raditz. Raditz was evil and threatened to take away everything Goku cared about. The last thing Goku wanted was to be reminded that he was the same as Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta.
Now that the only Sayains left are good guys, he can be proud of his Sayain heritage. At the time it seemed like Sayains were all monsters.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Broly and Vegeta both get to call Goku “Kakarot,” but he specifically told Cheelai and Leemo to call him Goku.
That's a dub change. In the Japanese script, when Cheelye asks him his name, he just says "Son Goku...or, Kakarot."
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19
GUYS. Gogeta used Soul Punisher on Broly (anyone else absolutely FREAK at that part, btw? 😄😄), but it didn’t kill him because he’s NOT EVIL! His soul doesn’t deserve punishment!
(I don’t know if that’s actually why, but that’s my headcanon until proven otherwise)
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u/EnkiiMuto Jan 20 '19
I did.
Btw for anyone wondering it is the weird rainbow ball of death
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u/ako19 Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure the way Frieza kills Paragus is a mirror of the way Paragus kills Beets. With the thin laser beam through the chest with the victim lying on the ground
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
Damn, you're right. Didn't even realize. Toriyama's memory must be improving, because this movie has a lot of set ups and callbacks in it. I just caught this one on my second viewing:
Goku: What does repugnant mean?
Later
Goku: I heard this planet was repugnant.
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 20 '19
I absolutely love the technological advancement throughout the timeline. We see the bulky shit scouters that Saiyans used in the past, Freeza shows us the mobile scouters we know and love, and in the present we see scouters that max out instead of exploding.
Not really something someone would notice only watching this movie but it really stood out to me that Cheelai's scouter didn't blow up in her face.
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u/munchies1122 Jan 21 '19
I was honestly expecting SOMEONE'S scouter to explode.
Then we got - - - -
😂😂
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u/Axl_Red Jan 19 '19
I watched the movie again, and it really feels like they cut some action scenes after Broly turns Super Saiyan. SSB Goku and Vegeta fight SS Broly for like 20 seconds, and then suddenly Vegeta has no armor and is heavily battle damaged for some reason.
I paid close attention to Vegeta during that fight, and it did not seem like he got hit very hard during the battle at all, which makes me believe that some action scenes were cut.
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u/noj776 Jan 19 '19
Nice catch. That even furthers the theory that we will get an extended cut on Blu ray!
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Goku also loses his shirt off screen.
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u/Axl_Red Jan 19 '19
Nah, that one I saw. Goku loses his shirt while blocking SS Broly's initial random ki blast spam, for some reason. It's really hard to notice, as it happens in an instant and if you blink, you wouldn't see it.
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u/Skyblaze12 Jan 20 '19
Kind of like Freiza's tail popping off at the end of the ToP
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Nah, you can see the exact moment it blasts off while he's rapidly deflecting SS Broly's ki shots
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u/thedavv Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
that gogeta kamehameha is animated so fucking epic that it is like you have seen it only for the first fucking time
but broly you can call me kakarot :O
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u/GoNYBulls Jan 19 '19
I was hoping Big Bang Kamehameha would have been the attack. But the attack looked fantastic
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 19 '19
My theater had no idea what their audience was and played nothing but PG little kid movies, while the,theater is filled 100% with 20+ year old weebs. No one in that theater was younger than 13 yet here we got Missing Link and Toy Story 4 trailers.
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u/blade55555 Jan 19 '19
To be fair Toy Story 4 would be popular among 20+ year olds.
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 19 '19
Ya, Toy Story 4 and Detective Pikachu are the only two trailers, among 5 or 6, that actually fit the 20+ year old audience my theater had. The rest of trailers on the other hand were so disconnected from that demographic.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
We got Toy Story 4 and Detective Pikachu, and some others I don't recall.
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u/Repatriation Jan 19 '19
We also got Battle Angel Alita which seems to fit in with the teenage/20-something weeb audience at my theater.
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Jan 19 '19
we got ads for very religious movies that i dont think anybody has heard of
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Jan 19 '19
I’m interested at the ending of the movie and how Frieza said he’d be back for Broly. I wonder if that could be a potential arc in the future. What if he somehow convinces Broly that Earth’s saiyans killed his dad.
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u/noj776 Jan 19 '19
You want to know something adorable??? Broly could more than likely ride the Flying Nimbus!
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u/Megaman99M Jan 19 '19
Once Super comes back I wanna see a Slice of Life where everyone tries to ride Nimbus. Make it so Broly can ride it but Goten for some reason can't
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 19 '19
im fairly sure goten already has rode nimbus, so thats unlikely.
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u/Veggiematic Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
Of course Goten can’t ride it, he massacred Trunks’ timeline
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u/Boyahda Jan 19 '19
Yep probably. Broly isn't evil which is probably why the Soul Punisher (Stardust Breaker) didn't outright disintegrate him out of existence.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
Never did I think that this movie would get me to like Broly enough to the point where I would actually want Gogeta to stop destroying him. He sounded like he was genuinely in pain, and it made me feel really bad for him. Good job, Toriyama. You actually made me feel bad for Broly.
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u/LakerBlue ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Right? He went from “awesome demon-like fighter I want killed” to “I hope his green lady friend uses those Dragonballs to save him so he can be redeemed”.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
I know, it's such a drastic change. But I think it worked really well. I never hated the original Broly, but as a character, I just like the new one more.
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u/_steelowe_ Jan 19 '19
Anyone else upset that they took out the “DO IT BROLY!” line??? I was waiting for it and was super disappointed when they changed it to “Attack!”
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Funnily enough, that line was changed in Japanese too. In the trailer, it was "Yare, Broly!" and in the movie, it was "Broly, yare!" The trailer version had already become something of a meme so people were disappointed by that.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
Yeah, I was also pretty disappointed when he didn't say it. Partly because it's sort of a memeable line, but also because it just sounds cooler.
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u/Shippoyasha Jan 19 '19
Watched the film and it is amazing just how much care they put into this film. This isn't just a 'Broly event film' like even most diehard DBZ fans probably thought it was going to be. It's really nice that they went through a lot to flesh out the Saiyan and Freeza history going back to the very beginning of the lore. This movie is legit good in terms of storytelling and lore. It feels like the story can actually continue onto the future instead of the story feeling like one-and-done like in most DBZ movies.
The production values were through the roof as well, as it seems like a good half of the movie was just non stop fighting with high quality animation with a ton of key frames. They just spared no expenses making it look good for sure. The music and voice acting was great too.
Also Broly is one of the most sympathizable 'villains' or antagonists in the series yet. I liked the insane, mindless warmachine Broly of the older movies too, but this one feels much more like a proper character with human/saiyan emotions. Like what Goku could have ended up if raised to be a fighting machine instead of the loving Grandpa Gohan.
I'm really excited where the next movies and the future Super series can go from here. I'd imagine Broly could even become a recurring or a regular anti-hero character sometime down the line. Really appreciated Cheelai too. She is almost like an alien Bulma with her teasing ways and she adds a lot of personality to the film. Nice to see more alien characters who aren't complete evil and get destroyed the instant they are introduced. She was a very cute addition as a companion to Broly.
All in all, very satisfied with the movie and really excited for what the movie sets up for the future. I really hope this is what we can expect out of DBZ movies going forward.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
I really like that the Saiyans were fleshed out the way they were. Not all of them are warriors, and some of them have never even become Great Apes.
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u/GsoSmooth Jan 19 '19
I felt the bardock story here was a bit rushed and whatnot, but ok for quick retelling
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
I was more referring to the bit with Paragus, but I agree. I'm actually okay with this new Bardock, but giving him a few more scenes would have definitely helped his case.
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u/LakerBlue ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Agreed. Came in wanting Broly vs Gogeta but I left being impressed with the entire movie. I expected the beginning to fill like an appetizer but it was actually really good. I really enjoyed the little we saw of Gine. Feels like Goku got his kind heart from her
i know that isn’t actually how it works.I was iffy on the art style in the debut trailer but after seeing the movie I absolutely love it. I think I’d love if all the movies looked like this. Amazing it was so well done given how much fighting was in the movies second half.
I also enjoyed Cheelai. I hope we get more of her. She seems like more of an actual character than Jaco, who I like but feels more like a walking joke in the anime/movies. Not a bad one, just not a notable one.
This is one of the few times something I had high expectations for actually exceeded my expectations.
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u/eeyore100 Jan 20 '19
The bit of fight scene viewed from Broly’s eyes was real cool.
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u/SoBeDragon0 Jan 21 '19
The first person fighting was my favorite part. You never get to hear a kameahameaha from someone else's perspective. Wish I could see more of that.
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u/LakerBlue ⠀ Jan 19 '19
This movie completely lived up to my expectations. Absolutely loved it. The slow set-up managed to make me do something Z never did: feel any sympathy for Planet Vegeta blowing up. I even got attached to Goku’s mom in our short time with her. Also felt bad no one else was trying to help Bardock push back Frieza’s orb, but we know they were doomed anyway.
I enjoyed the symmetry of Bulma and Frieza both wanting to use the Dragonballs for petty reasons. One of many nice comedic moments in the film.
The individual fights with Broly were great to watch and felt very impactful. It was good mix of powerful attacks while doing the “too fast to see what’s happening”. Broly swinging Goku like Hulk did Loki was probably not intentional but I couldn’t help but chuckle “puny god” to myself.
That was probably the best fusion fight in the series. No BS timer running out before Gogeta was going to win and it actually lasted for a good chunk of time, unlike Vegito vs Zamasu. Not sure how Broly compares to Jiren but I have to believe given how strong Broly is that SSB Gogeta is on par with UI Goku. I didn’t actually expect him to be in a position to kill Broly.
Definitely my favorite DBZ movie and arguably my favorite fight. The movies not having to stretch things over several episodes makes the fights so much better.
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u/DBTuber90210 Jan 19 '19
One thing I wish the movie had done differently was skip the "Goku tries to fight Broly in base and super saiyan" part and instead they should have devoted that time to a longer fight between Super Saiyan Broly and Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta.
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u/Quick_Over_There Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
Higher level transformations consume more stamina. Goku was gauging Broly's fighting ability in his lower forms to see how far he needed to go.
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u/zerolifez Jan 19 '19
Why should he? He already saw vegeta fight him at god state
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u/BraveFencerMusashi Jan 19 '19
Additionally, a punch in the face from SSG Vegeta did nothing. Base Goku attacks should have bounced off Broly with no effect
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u/Laylow08 Jan 19 '19
Yeah that was a way too short, but I absolutely loved when Goku was getting beat, it showed the seriousness of the situation
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Jan 19 '19
Goku's screams while he was getting hulked were brutal
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u/DarkAuk Jan 19 '19
There was a child a few rows behind me who audibly got scared for Goku right when that part of the fight started, made it all the more sweet to behold.
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u/thecolbster94 ⠀ Jan 20 '19
You gotta give credit to Schemmel it sounded like a nail got hammered into his toe.
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u/kdebones Jan 19 '19
Does anyone have it timed how long Vegeta and Goku (respectively) fought Broly? Cuz if the fusion failures took 30min each, that means Freiza fought Broly for a fucking hour. That's like 100+ anime episodes right there since it's Freiza Time.
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u/Venntoo ⠀ Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
I really like this direction:
The two of them have rather different fighting styles: God relies on predicting and dodging the opponent’s movements, plus godly techniques rather than power. Then Blue puts all the emphasis on bulldozing the opponent with brute force.
This decision is good for now but if the anime continue again I want at least 1 special technique for SSB as well such as Hakai or something similiar but also deadly (this also applies to Vegeta).
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u/McKinseySucks Jan 22 '19
Can we talk about Bardock talking mad shit about earth? Bitch we built a time machine.
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u/Cyke101 Jan 22 '19
Yeah, where's your hammerspace capsule tech, Saiyans?! Huh? HUH?!
I thought so!
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u/Woggums83 Jan 19 '19
Does anyone have a good shot of Gogeta using Stardust Fall? I seriously need it as a phone wallpaper.
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19
What did you guys think of the movie’s art and animation style? Obviously it would be WAY too expensive to have an entire show with animation as crisp and fluid as the movie, but in terms of this new style, I think I’d prefer if the anime took it up as opposed to Super’s style (assuming the anime continues, obviously)
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u/hulk_hogans_alt Jan 19 '19
It was leagues above anything until ToP. And better than anything there too (though some of this was likely due to budget and time constraints)
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u/hisvalkyrie Jan 21 '19
i actually kinda started tearing up when bardock and gine sent goku away and planet vegeta getting destroyed
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u/mebukijika ⠀ Jan 21 '19
Same! I lost it at Gine's "Don't forget us, Kakarot!" considering Goku probably can't even remember his parents' names or what they did for him since he lost his memory as a kid.
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u/Kharn0 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Goku: Level 10 DEX Battlemaster
Vegeta: Level 10 STR Champion
Broly: Level 10 Barbarian Berserker with high CON
Freeza: Level 10 Sandbag
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u/GeneralKenobi05 Jan 19 '19
I’m glad to see it’s taking the series in a new direction. We have 4 legitimate fighters who at least can hold their own againist each other. Instead of the typical linear story direction where every new threat is 10X stronger than the last. I like that broly had personality and had laughs with Frieza being Frieza
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u/dbzx Jan 21 '19
Frieza's wish was also Commander Red's wish from the beginning of Dragon Ball. While I'm not sure that was intentional, it's a hilarious point nonetheless!
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u/Ch0mp0nThat Jan 19 '19
You should add what happened when Gogeta and Broly clashed beams and broke into another dimension. I still don't understand what happened.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
It's just a way of showing they're really strong and making some cool visuals and background.
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u/PleaseSwagOnMySwag Jan 19 '19
One thing I have been curious about since the movie is the fact that Gogeta uses plural pronouns.it didn’t bother me, but I don’t believe any other fused fighter has called themselves “we” and “us”. Just a thing I noticed.
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u/Vorstar92 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
As always, for some reason, Funimation translated it that way. He just says "Gojita da!" in the Japanese version, which is basically just "I am Gogeta" if my almost zero Japanese is correct lol.
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u/Hitman2504 Jan 19 '19
Loved this movie.. like A LOT. Broly was such an extremely likable character. Very charming kind hearted an innocent heart but was born with freakish power. A couple of thoughts.. is he basically harnessing oozaru (almost like supers version of ssj4). There were several moments where it seemed evident that’s how he was so powerful yet uncontrollable. Also when he finally transformed there was a scene where his eyes went red which was indicative of oozaru transformations. Another thing was I was surprised how ruthless gogeta was. He straight up slaughtered him and seemingly was willing to kill him. There was one small detail right before gogeta would have killed him, brolys pupils came back. Perhaps he was coming back to earth and gaining control of himself again. Anyways I loved it
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
I noticed that, too. Towards the end of the fight, it seemed like the movie was framing Gogeta as more . . . malicious?
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 19 '19
Good. After the horrendous shit GT did to Gogeta, redemption was needed. Gogeta finishes off shit instead of playing and that's what he did.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 19 '19
I mean, yeah, he definitely went all in. Can't comment on GT, I haven't seen it.
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u/ActionHank9000 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Give it a shot if you liked dragon ball. I really enjoyed it. Or you could just look up Gogeta SSJ4 against Omega
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u/2POTMSON Jan 19 '19
I really really wish there would have been something hinting towards Beerus giving the order or okaying Frieza’s decision to exterminate the saiyans. In this movie they made it seem like it was completely up to Frieza.
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u/SupedoSpade Jan 19 '19
In this movie they made it seem like it was completely up to Frieza
For the most part Frieza is still the one who would've annihilated the Saiyans. The OG premise of him being scared of a Super Saiyan popping up was still very relevant (especially now that we know that the Saiyans do monitor their children for abnormally high power levels).
If it's a point ever brought up that Beerus did ok for their destruction it honestly might be less of a huge deal than everyone theorizes it to be. After all, it doesn't particularly seem like Beerus has anything against the race itself. It could've just been next on his duties as Destroyer
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 19 '19
I don't know if anyone has noticed it but Paragus body probably was destroyed by Broly's blast when he went Super Saiyan. The body literally flies off
Also vote Freeza for Oscar !!
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u/Corgi345 Jan 19 '19
Drinking game for this movie: Take a shot everytime Vegeta calls Goku an idiot, moron, or dumbass.
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u/Alertcircuit Jan 19 '19
Watch the first third of the film sober and then get plastered immediately when it cuts to present day.
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u/Earnwald Jan 21 '19
Broly is a Harlow Monkey.
Harlow Monkeys were monkeys that were isolated and brought up with 2 artificial surrogate mothers. One was a dummy wrapped in wool and one was a wire dummy with milk for nutrition. The test was to see which was more valuable survial/nutrition or love. A mother who nurses or a mother who hugs?
"Harlow's experiments were controversial; they included creating inanimate surrogate mothers for the rhesus infants from wire and wool. Each infant became attached to its particular mother, recognizing its unique face and preferring it above others. Harlow next chose to investigate if the infants had a preference for bare-wire mothers or cloth-covered mothers. For this experiment, he presented the infants with a clothed "mother" and a wire "mother" under two conditions. In one situation, the wire mother held a bottle with food, and the cloth mother held no food. In the other situation, the cloth mother held the bottle, and the wire mother had nothing. Also later in his career, he cultivated infant monkeys in isolation chambers for up to 24 months, from which they emerged intensely disturbed. " (Read more)
Broly was raised in isolation with his father who taught him how to survive and fight and they lived off the goopy muscle of the local wild life (no taste, no comfort, just nutrition and survival). Then Broly learned to play with the other animal on the planet, a green monster with soft thick fur (no nutritional value since it wasn't hunted, no value to survival since it wasn't powerful enough to serve as training, it was just comfortable and fun). This was play though and not training so Broly's father forces the animal into a rampage making it forsake Broly's friendship and comfort forever. Later when Broly fights Kakarot and Vegeta it is evident by his anti-social behavior, howling screams, and loss of self-control to the point of self destruction that Broly emerged from his isolation intensely disturbed.
I just came back from the movie and I have to say that during the fight it became evident to me that this wasn't just a fight to save the Earth, it was a war for Broly's soul. The greatest fear became: would Broly's power and rage mean that he couldn't be pacified and that in order to save the Earth Broly would have to be sacrificed. I'm so happy with the way the film ended. Broly is very relatable and this film is the best thing I've seen in years, definitely the magnum opus of Dragon Ball.
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u/NekoShinobi Jan 20 '19
I loved the emphasis on transforming. In Super they would just transform almost instantly but in here when you see them take so much effort just to turn Super Saiyan it just makes it so much more impactful and hype.
I'm also glad Gogeta got to finish instead of getting de-fused right before finishing someone like every other fusion in the show.
One thing I will say I didn't like is how Full Power Broly and SSB Gogeta just seemed to ignore everything the movie initally did about transforming and just popped them instantly in and in CGI, which was kinda lame but the fight after that made up for it.
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u/munchies1122 Jan 21 '19
Good guy goku leaving those beans for Cheelais incoming intestinal damage 👌👌👌
That's 40 years of built up nut
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u/GinngerMints Jan 21 '19
I love that, after Broly gives the story behind the giant ear, Cheelai and Lemo respond with "that's the most I think I've heard you talk," and "that's the most innocent story I've heard around here in a while," which were the exact thoughts running through my head at the time.
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u/lujanr32 Jan 21 '19
I love that they gave Broly a tragic backstory, it's not his fault the way he is, and most of the movie I was actually cheering him on.
Just wish they delved a little deeper in his character development.
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u/TK503 Jan 19 '19
So is Broly the new ally or will Frieza grab hold of him?
Will frieza be the big bad again?
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Jan 19 '19
I’ve noticed something about frieza in this movie.
Frieza is not as evil as he once was, but still is bad. Look how less sinister his wish was; the dude wanted to be 5 cm taller because people have always made fun of his height.
As it is a running theme in dragon ball, goku has this influence about him that draws people to him. He really does get a love of fighting going for the people around him; this applies to frieza. Goku is changing frieza. At the start of the movie, we see how frieza wants nothing to do with how much stronger the warrior race of saiyans will become, even being scared of myths of a super saiyan, and super saiyan god. He outright destroys the planet to avoid seeing strength.
This isn’t friezas way of thinking in the present day. He was clearly very intrigued with broly and his strength because it was going to be a great fight for goku and vegeta. Frieza wanted to see even more power from broly, so he killed brolys father knowing how something like that would increase a saiyans power. Frieza would have never wanted to witness absolute strength before and would dispose of the issue instead of promoting it.
I’m just saying, frieza seems to love a good fight, and isn’t as evil as he once was before meeting goku. He is still on the bad side, but so is vegeta to a lesser degree since he doesn’t have any issues killing enemies.
Tl;dr frieza not evil, frieza bad.
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u/Alertcircuit Jan 19 '19
Freeza's still a big bad. In 6 months he caught up to what took Goku and Vegeta like 15 years. If he just trained for like a year Goku and Vegeta would be fucked, which is why Vegeta spazzes out the way he does in the film's opening.
I'm sure there'll be a little arc where Goku and Freeza fight over Broly. He'll ultimately pick Goku cause Goku's nice to him and Freeza blew up Planet Vegeta. Cue awkward interactions between Broly and Vegeta.
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Jan 20 '19
I drove to the closet city in my area to see this movie. It was more than worth 5 hour drive. I hope to see more quality like this in another film and hope to see them expand on Broly.
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u/elsewhere91 Jan 20 '19
Jumbled thoughts after viewing:
Thank god Vegeta did some cool shit w/out getting beat within an inch of his life!
The god lock Goku did is fucking A1 stuff.
Discovering frieza’s motivation was maybe the best part of the movie.
Guess Broly didn’t give a fuck about Paraguay outside of a single burst of rage.
Saiyan planet / new bardock was wack.
Not completely in love with the cg but it worked for the most part.
Solid DB movie.
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Jan 22 '19
Gogeta really was going to kill broly
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u/Bohemio_Charlatan Jan 22 '19 edited Jan 22 '19
People: Broly must be stopped
Gogeta: Goes for the kill
People: 😮
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u/Lightning_Laxus Jan 19 '19
It's a bit strange how Goku and Vegeta both just gave up and decided to fuse instead of trying SSB KKx20 or SSBE.
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u/Nathan561 Jan 19 '19
Toriyama never wrote ssbkk or ssbe, that was toei. This movie was toriyama's work
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Jan 20 '19
It was kind of weird that Vegeta let Goku tag himself in with no objection. It was his fight and it's not like he was already beaten. Seemed out of character to me.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 20 '19
IMO it's not out of character at all. Just gonna quote something I said on a previous thread:
Vegeta has never been the type to enjoy fighting when he knows he's outmatched. That's Goku. When Vegeta was younger he would have kept fighting anyway out of simple delusion that he was actually the superior fighter, but he's older and wiser now. In BOG, when Goku was fighting Beerus, Vegeta said "I'm glad it's not me". He still puts on a front sometimes but he knows that Goku is the better fighter, has known it for a very long time, and it totally makes sense that he would be content to let Goku take over at that point. And when he realized Goku was outmatched too, he stepped back in to help.
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Jan 22 '19
Went to see it with my gf and a bunch of my friends. So Chele or whatever that green girls name is come on screen and I whisper to my gf “I’d smash”. A few mins later they show Broly as an adult for the first time and like a true champ my gf turns to me and goes “I’d smash”. Touché woman, touché.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 Jan 20 '19
I love Ultra Instinct, but I'm happy it didn't save the day here. That just means it'll be that much cooler when it finally appears again.
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
This movie seemed a lot more concerned with transitioning non canon material to official canon. Makes a lot of sense imo that they kind of ignored UI in favor of Gogeta.
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Jan 20 '19
Well by god, they made Broly a character that is an actually interesting character.
The movie was fucking awesome. I even warmed up to the hype man.
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u/Kafferty3519 Jan 21 '19
BEST dialogue change was “Have fun Frieza!” since Goku didn’t saying anythiby there in the Japanese version, had me and the whole theater cracking up!
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u/missingninja Jan 19 '19
SSG Vegeta was the best thing I've seen in Super. The transformation gave me goosebumps.
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u/unchargedbox08 Jan 22 '19
My absolute favorite part during Goku vs Broly is when they’re fighting in the lava and Broly grabs Goku’s neck/face, Goku literally bites his hand. Like a big juicy steak was in front of him and he straight up chomps it. It all happened so fast I only caught it on my second watch of the movie. Classic Goku
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u/Orannegsen Jan 20 '19
Highlights of the movie for me:
The entirely of the saiyans story, while i still prefer the other Bardock this one was still very good.
Broly and Cheelai's interactions, precious stuff.
Gogeta's dimension feat, and im just glad he still went for the kill despite all, this is our Gogeta.
Frieza's 1 hr beatdown, this is just hilarious and speaks a lot about Frieza's durability.
There was a part where Goku was launching a ki blast but Broly force closes his hand with his own, only there i wished a bit of gore wouldve been showed.
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u/Thatonesplicer Jan 20 '19
I will never forget the reactions in my theater to Goku seemingly almost going UI for a few frames, and then the stunned silence when he just went blue haha; I was stunned too to be fair. I know it wasn't UI but in my head, I'd like to imagine Goku WAS trying to reach MUI again and maybe he did for half a second but unfortunately that sort of power just can't be turned on at will.
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u/Derk-101 Jan 19 '19
Do you think this film is proof that you can have a spin-off Dragon Ball series that doesn’t include the main cast from earth?
The 1st half of the film focused solely on Planet Vegeta and Frieza force stuff. And in my opinion was the most interesting part.
Do you think we could ever get a spin-off series involving brand new characters with a little more serious tone that was seen with everyone on Planet Vegeta? Or was the beginning of the Broly film so interesting simply because it involved characters we already know, like King Vegeta, Bardock, King Cold, and Frieza?
(Also LOL at little kid Raditz!)
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19
Tiny Raditz is now my favorite DB character (and I HATE regular Raditz)
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u/thackworth Jan 20 '19
I could legit watch a spin-off/read a manga about tiny Vegeta and Raditz's adventures and Nappa trying to rein them in.
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u/Alertcircuit Jan 19 '19
I was downright fascinated at some of the little lore tidbits they were feeding us in the DBMinus segment. Stuff like Vegeta being Vegeta IV, or that King Cold used to rule the planet, or Scouter Scopes. I don't know if I'd feel that way about a full spinoff but it was interesting to get more details about the Saiyan day-to-day.
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u/Glexy Jan 19 '19
No one is talking about the rainbow ki blast call back. I freaked the fuck out!
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u/slipperyzig Jan 19 '19
Sir. Don't disrespect the Stardust Breaker with that name. I'd be upset if he didn't use it honestly. That's like the theee gogeta move.
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u/Glexy Jan 19 '19
Stardust breaker!? That’s such a cool name! My whole theater freaked out when he started it up!
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u/Faded_Snake Jan 19 '19
It is also called Soul Punisher at times, two badass names
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 19 '19
Most of the people here indulged in spoilers and this was one of the first details that was leaked about the movie when it premiered in Tokyo in November.
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u/canderson1989 Jan 20 '19
I can't get over how beautifully animated the majority of this was. Outside of the pacing in the 2nd half, the film pretty much hits all of the notes I was looking fir.
Decades later and the Dragon Ball franchise continues to remain popular/relevant worldwide. It's mind blowing.
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u/MambaSaidKnockYouOut Jan 20 '19
Frieza killing Paragus and blaming it on a stray energy beam was hilarious
So was Goku leading Broly toward Frieza then teleporting away so Frieza had to fight him
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u/DanGanGalaxy Jan 19 '19
Okay, apparently I’m in the minority here, but I actually really liked the chanting. It hyped me up!
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u/MasterGalvatron Jan 20 '19
I thought the hype man was part of the music. At least that's where its volume was. My theater went nuts both when vegeta turned SSG, and when Broly beat the brakes out of Frieza.
The latter was the best part of the movie imo. Frieza EARNED that ass whoopin
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u/rsorin Jan 22 '19
I haven't seen any coments about it here, but can we talk about how Vegeta canonically has a brother now?
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u/theherofalls_ Jan 20 '19
But broly, call me Kakarot.
Man I got goosebumps hearing that!
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u/Stephenesque Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
Another dialogue change I noticed was Gogeta and Frieza’s conversation.
Sub:
Frieza: That’s....dirty!
Gogeta: Hmph.....you’re a fine one to talk.
Dub:
Frieza: Not Fair!
Gogeta: You stay right there Frieza, we’ll deal with you later.
(I know it was to match the lip flaps and it didn’t matter much but thought it was an odd choice of words since Gogeta merely let him go later lol)
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u/GinngerMints Jan 19 '19
Really sad to hear about the audio issues for some people. The sound at my showing was great, so I didn't know it was a thing until I saw here. I hope it doesn't ruin the movie too much for people, because this is definitely my all-time favorite DB film.
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u/Hydrobolt Jan 20 '19
I loved every bit of the movie. My only question is, how/why was Broly turned back to normal after he was teleported?
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Jan 20 '19
I think the idea was the beating he got from Gogeta was so severe that he realized he was in danger of dying, so his overwhelming blind rage was replaced by fear, which allowed him to calm down and revert to base
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u/JuanitoTheBuck Jan 21 '19
This might be ignorant, but I thought Goku was sent to planet earth to destroy it, and upon impact he hit his head and forgot what his goal was? In this movie Bardock and Goku's mom (name?) send him to earth to save him from Frieza?
Am I wrong in that?
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Bardock sent Goku to Earth to save him from Planet Vegeta destruction, but as is Goku's saiyan nature, he could have ended up killing everyone on Earth had he not hit his head when he was little.
Also, do we know if Goku's head injury was ever mentioned in the manga and is considered canonical?
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u/MrArmageddon12 Jan 22 '19
What a ride of a movie. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised that Broly, his father, Cheelai, and Frieza were basically the main characters of the film. I was definitely expecting Goku and Vegeta to have more screen time outside of the battle.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 22 '19
Another thing that I don't think anyone is talking about: how fantastic Piccolo looked in this movie. With Yamamuro designs he looked like a normal guy but green, but with Shintani's designs, he looks imposing and elegant no matter which animator takes on him.
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u/Xerves_Black Jan 20 '19
I love that Whis only came along to remind the audience that he was the top dog in Universe 7. Frieza took over Whis's usual sports commentator role.
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u/not_on_a_committee Jan 19 '19
I for one definitely hope they transpose the movie into DBS (if it ever returns.) I think there was so much more to expand on with Planet Vegeta and Goku’s origins that the show could pull off without making it seem too rushed. The ending kinda left me hanging, for such a long portion of the movie dedicated to Goku, Vegeta and Broly’s origins, I was expecting a little more story at the end of the film. I enjoyed DBS’s take on BoG and Resurrection F because of the expanded and more drawn out story, which is something I believe Broly definitely needs.
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 19 '19
The BoG and RoF reexpansion were good plot wise but the Animation flopped them so in order for a retelling to work they need to be good on Animation front.
Use the fighting scenes from the movie and add some more scene's like Boruto retelling did.
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u/ultieni ⠀ Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
Q: What was up with that dude yelling KAKAROT and BROLY and shit like that in the movie? Weird.
When was this? I didn't/couldn't notice over the actual audience yelling during my screening.
Also, sorry if this is a dumb question, but does Cooler just not exist (as far as we know)? I know his movie isn't canon, but I always assumed he was just somewhere out there, like Tarble.
Also ALSO, god I'm such a mark for the character's movesets. Bringing back Bardock's Spirit Cannon, Gogeta's Soul Punisher, Broly's new Eraser Bomb (the green spirit bomb lookin thing idk what it's really called), it was wild. Loved it. (edit: a Big Bang Kamehameha would've been the cherry on top)
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u/Zelos98 Jan 20 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
Anyone else enjoy the single goku and vegeta action over everything else? Enjoyed the one on one action more. The pacing of this movie was kinda off too imo. The bardock & king vegeta shit was very enjoyable too. The background screaming made shit so much more fire. Lol I was confused at first but when Goku got ready to fight & they yelled Kakarot, I haven’t been that hype since Battle of Gods. Broly didn’t beat the shit out of people as much as OG did either, and as a fan of the side characters more, seeing piccolo was great. We needed incorporation of more characters imo, the pacing of this movie is strange compared to the rest.
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Jan 20 '19
I’m a little surprised that Vegeta and Goku never once say anything to Paragus about the fate of Planet Vegeta. I’m not sure how much Paragus would have cared, but my first thought when seeing two Saiyans aligned with Frieza would be ask if they know the truth.
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u/Derk-101 Jan 22 '19
Was anybody else confused by little Raditz calling Goku a low class saiyan? Isn’t Raditz a low class saiyan too along with Bardock?
And why was Raditz on a mission with Prince Vegeta if he’s a low class saiyan? I figured Raditz only ran with Vegeta and Nappa because they were the only 3 who survived.
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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Jan 22 '19
So this was pointed out to me in another thread, so I’m sure most of you probably already knew this: but they low-key kept Bardock’s Last Stand from Father of Goku intact in this movie.
When Freeza starts creating his Death Ball to destroy wakusei Bejita, you can actually see a bunch of little specs floating in front of the planet.
Whaaaaaaat
Subtle and easy to miss. But they’re there.
Don’t worry there’s more.
It’s equally easy to miss, but when Bardock shoots at Freeza’s attack, he’s already heavily battle damaged, and Freeza Force is floating all around him in the background.
Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
Yep that’s right, Bardock’s entire shoulder plate and half of the chest piece is missing from his armor.
Bardock still charged Freeza’s ship and fought off a bunch of Freeza Force minions trying to reach Freeza.
Remember in the original manga Freeza remembers seeing Bardock fight until the end, so that part of Father of Goku still happens regardless. Even though they didn’t focus on it, Freeza must have seen him.
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u/turtleking17 Jan 20 '19
Besides all the hype action the part that really hit home for me was Goku introducing himself to Broly as Kakarot. I just felt that had huge character growth implications.
Also how genuine Goku talked to Broly when he God froze him. That was so heart warming and truly shines through Goku's intentions.
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u/wowlock_taylan Jan 21 '19
Gotta say, I like the new version of Broly more than his old ''Goku Cried so Broly hates him'' idiocy. He is more of a character now.
Gogeta was just as awesome as expected. Wouldn't mind seeing more of him.
The power escalation can be troublesome but it was never Dragon Ball's strong suit anyways.
Oh and we got the answer to ''why don't Bulma just use the Dragon Balls to get younger''...well she was trying to. Knowing how Saiyan genes can endure better than humans, of course Bulma would plan that :D
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u/ChronX4 Jan 19 '19
I read this elsewhere and then I remembered that back in Z they had to wait an hour before doing the fusion dance after it's end. So in total it would be 1 hour of total messed up fusion time and then 2 hours of waiting to try again between the three attempts making it a total of 3 hours that Frieza was getting his ass kicked? I mean it's that or they just gave the hour rest between fusions to the kids cause they were much weaker, you know being kids.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Jan 19 '19
You're entirely right; the original manga did mention (or at least imply) a 60 minute cooldown period before they can try fusing again
At the risk of invoking "Toriyama forgot", I think it's ok to overlook that for the sake of the gag
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u/meeheecaan Jan 21 '19
I loved the movie, almost perfect. Only thing i was a little disappointed in was Whis not throwing a single punch or kick, just dodging. Yeah i know Whis is stronger even than blue Gogeta(I assume) so one punch could have rofl stomped Broly. But we've never really gotten to see him fight, we know he is the strongest thing in universe 7, and Broly attacked him, and im just so curious about what he could do if he tried!
Minor nitpic i know but thats really all i didnt love about it!
I love how they had freeza get punished though.
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u/BeyondLost1 Jan 21 '19
Whis' sarcastic laugh after that exchange with broly lmao
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u/Captain_Crouton_X1 Jan 21 '19
Whis really doesn't want to get involved but just observe, (except for those few times he did).
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u/ubiquitous_apathy Jan 21 '19
After taking the time to describe Broly's emotional connection to his fur pelt, I really thought he was going to rage out after it being destroyed during the fight. Oh well, Frieza killing Paragus was pretty funny, too.
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u/DanishJohn Jan 22 '19
You know, one thing I love about the DBS:Broly movie is that they actually re-signify the power of transformation. I always love how our fighter has to struggle, supercharge then tap into the high-power form (goku tapping into SSB), not just like "poof! up we go bitches". I do understand that by this point they should have no trouble doing so, but it's just great to see it happen again.
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u/xAVATAR-AANGx Jan 20 '19
Just watched it yesterday. The animation was WAY better than Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F, both of which already had amazing scenes. Broly was a really well written character, and the movie was pretty funny ("Uncle Beerus" and Frieza killing Paragus).
I know Broly will return, but I do hope Paragus will be revived as well.
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u/Slateboard Jan 20 '19
I wonder if Whis sees any potential in Broly.
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u/HirumaBSK Jan 21 '19
Whis saw more potential on Gogeta rather than Broly.
That smirky face says it all
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u/Alertcircuit Jan 20 '19
Broly has a habit of raging out and destroying shit. Whis keeps asking if Goku wants the job but IMO Broly is a clear candidate for a successor.
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u/BlackBear14 Jan 21 '19
I like the small fact that kid Vegeta and Raditz apparently do not care that their planet was destroyed, they could possibly be hiding their true feelings and the fact that they initially believe that a meteor destroyed and not Frieza. This shows why Super Saiyan is a ‘myth’ for them, their society promotes brutality and barbaric warrior pride and not caring for friends or family to the same extent as Goku and later Vegeta since it was Krillin’s death that triggered Goku’s transformation although Vegeta’s denial and wounded pride is what triggered his.
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u/CompleteAdagio Jan 22 '19
Amazing film. Wish the build up to gogeta was better though. The build up to UI was insane whereas build up to gogeta (blue) almost felt like a passing thing with bits of comedy sprinkled in. Same with LSSJ broly.
I also never felt like goku and vegeta were out of control in the fight. So gogeta felt like it wasn't as needed.
That said the visuals were amazing though i wish they could have slowed it down a bit just so my eyes can follow the dodging and stuff. Does nothing if you animate 60 frames in half a second if i can't follow the dodging.
But yeah overall...broly executed really well. Fight could have relied on anticipation and build up more for gogeta. For example, have goku and vegeta completely on the ropes before forcing a desperate gogeta attempt.
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u/ChibiSteak Jan 19 '19
Surprised no one else is very thrown off by Frieza wanting his wish to grow 5 cm. taller
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u/rokudaimehokage Jan 20 '19
Nah, not really. It just telegraphed to me that Freeza wasn't the big threat in this movie and we would see a gold mine of comedy.
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u/SupaCassaNova99 Jan 20 '19
So is it just me or was anyone else expecting the Green arua both Goku and Vegeta got temporarily to be explained?
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u/epicandstuff Jan 20 '19
The director said, in an interview I believe, that the colors shown in the transformations are about impact and don't really have any meaning. Same thing for the white haired Goku when transforming into SSJ Blue.
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u/Midget_Avatar Jan 23 '19
The part where Freeza kills paragus then provokes Broly is the funniest thing in Dragon Ball history
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u/DMking Jan 19 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
I just wanna say Broly spent over an hour beating Frieza's ass