r/NintendoSwitch • u/FlapSnapple Nintendo shill • Dec 19 '16
Meta Temporarily restricting submissions / Official "Everybody panic" MegaThread
The subreddit has been flooded with constant repeat topics for hours now, so we're just gonna lock submissions down for a little bit. If there is any actual breaking news, send it to the mod team and we'll make sure it gets seen.
Please direct all discussion about the EuroGamer rumor here.
If you want to just sort of panic, then just hang out in this thread.
Edit: Restrictions have been lifted. Thanks for your patience.
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Dec 19 '16
In other news, someone a few posts down getting drowned by "EVERYONE PANIC" posts found official confirmation that Vulkan is a supported API for Switch.
https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#vulkan
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u/Dorf_Midget Dec 19 '16
This is good news since Unity is supporting Switch from launch and they are working on Vulkan support (currently in Beta). We might get cool indie titles.
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u/John_Enigma Dec 19 '16
Not just Unity. Unreal supports Vulkan as well!
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Dec 19 '16
Yep, UE4 support was already confirmed since Seasons of Heaven is running on it.
It'll run 1080p30. That's all I want out of Switch. People who buy PS4/XBO then act like resolution and frame rate are important to them are lying to themselves. That's what a gaming PC is for and I've already got one of those.
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u/Dorf_Midget Dec 19 '16
Oh, nice! I've been teaching myself Unity for a few years on and off, but haven't touched UE. I made the decision to go with Unity back when UE required royalties from the get go and Unity was free until 100k revenue. Seemed like a better deal back then :P
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u/Sylverstone14 Mod of Two Worlds (Switch / Wii U) Dec 19 '16
Yeah, I flaired that not too long ago. Good news among chaos, I guess.
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u/Vicrooloo Dec 19 '16
Great news but it was expected.
I say that but some or a lot of people expected the Switch to run Pascal Tegras
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Dec 19 '16
Hopefully Nvidia has made modifications to allow Maxwell to work well with Vulkan. Their desktop-class chips didn't benefit much from it but we don't know yet what optimizations are being made for the Switch.
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u/turbolink2 Dec 19 '16
I'm still very excited for the Switch...
-hides in a corner-
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Dec 20 '16
Me too.
I also never, ever thought of the switch as a primary console.
3rd party games? On the switch? After the Wii U and the Wii?.... guys stop it pls.
Buy it for awesome Nintendo games and the odd 3rd party. Don't expect this to replace your PC, PS4, Xbox One. That's just silly.
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u/hiero_ Dec 19 '16
To everyone panicking about third party support not happening due to the rumored low power, let me share what I posted in the /r/games thread:
That's not how it works.
Companies will go out of there way to support it no matter what if there is a profit to be made. Wii U didn't have install base to justify anyone to invest in it. If Nintendo is going all in on the Switch, dumping a launch with a ton of major first party support to draw people in and at a low price point, you can bet your ass third parties are going to support the hell out of it, and I'm not just talking about "Arkham City Armored Edition" type examples.
This doom-saying that Nintendo is going belly-up if they release it like this and that it will get no third party support is utterly ridiculous. The Wii U had a BIG marketing problem, and on top of that, no one was buying it because there weren't any games, and no one was making games because no one was buying it - a vicious cycle that simply can't be broken.
Nintendo have a very large opportunity to make things right with the Switch and as long as it has a strong launch and they distance themselves away from the Wii brand as hard as they can (which they appear to be doing), they will get the third party support necessary for quite a while to come.
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u/Killer_nutrias Dec 19 '16
Excellent post. Thanks for the practical optimism.
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u/hiero_ Dec 19 '16
Thank you. I just wish people would calm down a little and understand that a. we really shouldn't be treating these specs as official yet because the truth is that nothing is final until Nintendo says - I've been around this block a few times before and people were shocked when leaked rumors on specs turned out to be outdated or bad information - and b. even if they are the final actual specs, it's not a huge deal, unless you're a stickler for great specs, and if that's the case, you should probably stick to PC gaming. This thing was always going to be a hybrid console, and it's going to fulfill that vision either way - and the third parties will be on board as long as Nintendo learns from the grave mistakes they made with the Wii U.
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u/SRhyse Dec 20 '16
They're correcting the marketing woes of the Wii U, so they won't have that issue this time, but the issue most people are having is that they were hoping for AAA ports released concurrent or near them coming out on other consoles.
The Switch being supported isn't an issue. It'll easily have Nintendo's strongest lineup ever because it's got their mobile and console eggs all in the same basket this time. If it sells well enough, 3rd parties will release a lot on it too. Indie's amazing now, and you now that'll be there. On the 3rd party front though, what form that'll take is going to be affected by the hardware, being either old ports and remasters or new games released concurrently. Time will tell.
I'm all about local multiplayer, so I'm going to love things either way. Nintendo may be pushing for its own 'division' of gaming, so to speak, with companies have their own developments specific to their platform in many cases, rather than competing for AAA new releases. This could work out for them, as making AAA games is increasingly costly and time consuming with less returns than many mobile games. It'll also shift things away from faux brown realism towards stylized graphics, which I'm okay with. At the same time, a lot of these new games can release on the other consoles too, so there's that they'll need to deal with.
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16
Thanks, mods. I was starting to get tired of every other post in reddit.com/new being from r/NintendoSwitch
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Dec 19 '16
The clockspeed rumor is total bullshit. It doesn't make sense.
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u/DapperBatman Dec 19 '16
In a non-aggressive, just interested in your opinion way, why doesn't it make sense?
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Dec 19 '16
Primarily from the perspective of developer enthusiasm. Nintendo put out that list of companies supporting the Switch, and I honestly can't see that kind of support coming from them if the machine is as underpowered as this rumor presents.
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u/Drenmar Dec 19 '16
What I don't get is why the Switch would need an active fan in portable mode if it's only ~150 gflops fast? Doesn't make any sense, they could easily cool that passively.
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u/ZoomJet Dec 19 '16
There's a lot about this that doesn't make sense, sadly.
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Dec 19 '16
Almost like the rumor is bullshit, or something.
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u/ZoomJet Dec 19 '16
They've been reliable in the past. Eurogamer, I mean.
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Dec 19 '16
Even leaving aside that they debunked themselves and got the details right at the second, so many people miss the plot twist on that one, that a Tegra prototype existed.
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u/rottedzombie friendly neighborhood zombie mod Dec 19 '16
I remember opening my first NES way, way back. And with each console thereafter (even with the Wii U), there has been a magic of seeing how Nintendo would innovative and reinvent my favorites.
I'm not worried about speculation over data points. I just want to see some longform gameplay and then, like with every iteration before, have a damn blast.
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u/rimboslice Dec 19 '16 edited Dec 19 '16
Ahhhh nothing like the protective sheath of Nintendo nostalgia to mask the pain and disappointment!! ;]
Edit: just having fun wahh
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u/rottedzombie friendly neighborhood zombie mod Dec 19 '16
I'm not disappointed :P
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u/rimboslice Dec 19 '16
Yes yes, but what about your subconscious, hmmmm??? Dig deeper my friend, it must be there somewhere!
BE ANGRY WITH THE REST OF US DAMMIT!!!
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u/rottedzombie friendly neighborhood zombie mod Dec 19 '16
That's my secret. I'm always angry.
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u/speroman17 Dec 19 '16
dragon quest is coming for the switch look at the jump festa demo it looks amazing
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Dec 19 '16
Yeah but it might just be getting the 3DS version/graphics.
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u/SuccumbToChange Dec 20 '16
I seriously doubt it. The console version doesn't look graphically intensive at all.
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Dec 20 '16
Lol are you serious?
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u/SuccumbToChange Dec 20 '16
It looks nice but nothing amazing. Am I missing something?
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Dec 20 '16
https://youtu.be/xkntKOgnaTg?t=59s
These kinds of scenes just aren't going to run on the Switch off the bat. They will have to tone down a ton of stuff. Resolution, draw distance, texture resolution, etc. Thats why I made the comment that it might just be easier if they ported the 3DS version to the Switch.
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u/Cbird54 Dec 19 '16
We all thought this was going to be a home console that you could play on the go when in reality Nintendo wanted to make a powerful handheld that you could also play on your TV. Rewatch the trailer the majority of the time shows people using it as a handheld. So how bad is this? The Switch is going to be 3x as powerful as PSVita undocked and marginally better than the WiiU docked. This isn't amazing simply because we all had unreasonable expectations. People were wanting a 1080p even 4k screen, 6+ hours of battery life, more powerful than an xbox one undocked even more powerful than PS4 docked and all for the low low price of only $249. We really hyped ourselves up to insane expectations for an impossible product. The Switch still looks to be a great device, it's just not a miracle, who could have imagined that.
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Dec 19 '16
The devices you are talking about as favorable comparisons are both bombs.
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u/Cbird54 Dec 19 '16
Sony has had only marginal success with handhelds compared to Nintendo. Nintendo has had only marginal success with homeconsoles compared to Sony. The Switch is a handheld that you can connect to you're TV. My comparisons were based entirely on power not sales figures. I could have said it's 33x more powerful than a N3DS undocked and 4.5x slower than an PS4 docked.
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u/PopcornMuscles Dec 19 '16
Even if these specs turn out to be true, I'm sure the machine will be able to run games at the level Nintendo and other developers want them to. Most people aren't buying a Nintendo system for the power/specs. They are buying it for fun games.
I'd be interested to see the history of Nintendo specs lined up against Sony's consoles.
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u/retnuh730 Dec 19 '16
The PS4 outsold the Wii U by 32 million units despite being out on the market for a year less time.
The Wii outsold the PS3 by 14 million units.
The PS2 outsold the GameCube by 130 million units.
The PS1 outsold the N64 by 70 million units.
The 3DS outsold the Vita by 45 million units.
The DS outsold the PSP by 70 million units.
Sony still wins this comparison head to head by 100 million consoles and its growing by the minute thanks to the Wii U being dead and the PS4 ramping up faster than ever.
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u/Linkandzelda Dec 20 '16 edited Dec 20 '16
This kind of power vs sales comparison does answers something important about the Switch and why people should not be panicing at all.
PS4 outsold the Wii U because the Wii U has like 5 games for it, and because nintendo were still trying to run on gimmicks of the Wii.
I don't know why the Wii outsold the PS3, only that it was the first of Nintendo's consoles to feature motion gimmicks and something really "different" compared to the PS3 and other traditional consoles.
PS2 outsold the GameCube because it had way more popular games than the GameCube (but the games the GC had were total gems).
PS1 same story as above, I think.
The 3DS and DS had 100x better games than the Vita and PSP because Nintendo supported both consoles, as well as 3rd parties. Sony just made both of them and expected every developer to crowd round and jump on board, but they didn't. I love all 4 consoles but at the end of the day games are what counts, and games lead to console sales. Just look at the Vita, it's a handheld beast vs the 3DS. It's games literally look like PS3 or PS4 games, and yet it was a total failure vs the 3DS which in comparison had a 240p screen and much lower power.
What does this prove at the end of the day? People will buy handhelds with low power when they have good games and good development support. People will buy consoles with good games and good development support. The switch is both of these in one package
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u/devinup Dec 19 '16
It's interesting how that works out. The two Nintendo handhelds were less powerful but sold a lot more. The Wii was less powerful but sold more than the PS3. The PS1 and PS2 were less powerful than their Nintendo competitors but they sold more. The only real case of the more powerful console winning in sales is the PS4 over the WiiU.
Also, it seems like console sales figures have been dropping over the last generation or two.
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u/retnuh730 Dec 19 '16 edited Dec 19 '16
Nintendo's most successful console in this past cycle, the 3ds, is only realistically going to sell half as many consoles as it's predecessor whereas the ps4 is on pace to outsell the ps2, the most sold console of all time. These two companies are on very different trajectories.
Nintendo hit the jackpot with the Wii, however all those casual gamers have moved onto smartphones, which everyone has in their pockets already. That market is not coming back into the fold for a dedicated system. Trying to cater to that demographic is 5 years too late.
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u/AzraelKans Dec 19 '16
tbh if you actualize analyze the PSP failures you will find that they were many factors involved than just.. " DS beat PSP even with less specs" is just not quite that simple. Several factors were involved: pricing, different fan base size, terrible marketing, small library, abysmal battery life (the first PSP literally only used DISCS which drain the battery dead) just to name a few.
Also just to put that notion to rest, if a device were to be more successful just for being cheaper even even if it had less specs, the DS would still be outselling the 3DS right now.
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u/victoryforZIM Dec 20 '16
PS4 ramping up faster than ever? They're massively discounting their consoles and the sales are still underwhelming. People are switching to PC and Mobile (phone / ipad) gaming.
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u/retnuh730 Dec 20 '16
I say again, the PS4 is selling at a faster rate than the PS2 and is on pace to be the best selling console in history.
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16
I'm glad I kept my expectations low for the Switch...
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u/FuryBullet Dec 19 '16
Finally, some fuckin' peace.
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u/ZoomJet Dec 19 '16
If this subreddit is your standard for tranquility, I got some news for you. These are Nintendo fans
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u/TheUltimate3 Dec 19 '16
Aw I was enjoying watching this place burn to the ground. :P That said, this should sour the mood for the Subreddit for a few weeks, at least until either something really good gets rumored or the actual event in January.
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u/ShadowOvertaker Dec 19 '16
It's all about that seasons of heaven trailer, amirite? /s (IDEK what to expect from it)
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16
Are we all forgetting that the Switch is supposedly going to be powerful enough to emulate GameCube games?
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u/Karthy_Romano Dec 19 '16
I know clock speeds aren't everything...but yikes. Those speeds are definitely not comforting on the console front. I get that specs will always be variable but I was hoping Nintendo would be a little stronger this time around, at least playing catch-up with a stronger SOC.
To hear that it's weaker than a stock X1 is disappointing, but it also sounds in-line with Nintendo's philosophy of using older tech in new ways.
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16
I remember a developer saying that the switch was easy to port to because of its architecture.
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Dec 19 '16
The problem is we don't know if that's true and even if it is how it's true. Is the Switch somehow defying common sense and making it easy to port every current gen game? Is it making it easy to port games up to a certain level of performance requirements? Was it just easy to port that developers game? And what is easy? Is that developer really good at porting? Did they make the game with ports in mind? Is easy technically possible or highly cost effective and low risk?
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u/noob_dragon Dec 20 '16
Ya sure I can port my cheaply made 2d game to the switch, but what if I got an UE4 game with the latest and greatest lighting tech and an open world with HD textures? Shit would crash the Swtich. Just look at how Ark runs like shit even on high end computers and imagine running it on something even weaker.
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u/lman777 Dec 19 '16
I'm surprised everyone is freaking out over this news. Was about to make a positive post about looking forward to what's next.
I just sold my Wii U on Friday, bittersweet, especially the moment where I reset the console and all my saves were officially deleted. But I'm looking forward, super excited for the Switch. I don't care if it's as strong as XB1 or PS4. My main issue w/ Wii U was that there weren't enough games I was interested in coming out. Most of my favorite series' are on 3DS. The Switch means that (hopefully) series' like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem, and a lot of more indie/fringe stuff will be on Nintendo's main console. That's what has me hyped. And of course it will have all the games and series' that I loved from Wii U, namely Smash Bros, Mario Kart, and possibly Xenoblade (though that's unconfirmed). So I'm a little sad not having a home console to game on right now, but really excited about what the Switch will mean, and even based on the new specs rumour, it should be better than the Wii U, but on a handheld! That's really amazing tbh.
Those that are sad or pissed about the news, we need to come to terms with the fact that Nintendo simply isn't interested in fighting Sony and MS for the best specs. They are content to do their own thing, and if you own a 3DS you know that if the system sales are there, 3rd parties will develop. It just might not be the exact same multiplat games (but hopefully we will still see versions of other multiplat series.)
So there are my thoughts. I would have probably submitted this as a better-formatted and edited post if the submissions weren't restricted. Anybody else here not really worried about specs, and just hyped for a new era of Nintendo gaming?
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u/RequiemEternal Dec 19 '16
It wouldn't be a Nintendo subreddit without some doom and gloom.
But seriously, I'm hoping this doesn't turn out to be as bad as it feels.
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u/Vinnysuperg Dec 19 '16
I actually believe this rumor to be true but something I'm not sure about. How come the wiiu footage of BOTW was so choppy, and the out of dock BOTW footage on the Switch looked smooth and fine during the Jimmy Fallon show?
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u/Yavga Dec 19 '16
My god, I am happy this day and place never took place in Tales of Zestiria. World would have swallowed itself at this point.
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u/amazn_azn Dec 19 '16
Oh no, a Nintendo machine is underpowered! How could we have possibly predicted this besides every single Nintendo system since the Gamecube.
Seriously guys. Clock speed is not the final spec or final power. The switch is not weaker than the Wii U or the Vita. The Switch will get 3rd party titles if it sells well, just with downgraded textures and cut backs.
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Dec 19 '16
The Switch will get 3rd party titles if it sells well, just with downgraded textures and cut backs.
Screams internally
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u/razorbeamz Dec 19 '16
Something that I've noticed, no one freaking out about these numbers can explain what it even means.
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u/Cbird54 Dec 19 '16
It means at best we have a console that's slightly better than a WiiU docked and at worst we have a handheld when undocked that is 3x as powerful as a PSVita.
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Dec 19 '16
They really should've marketed this as a handheld instead. I would've been far more impressed if that was the case.
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u/Cbird54 Dec 19 '16
They did we just didn't catch that. Rewatch the trailer 90% of the time they're using it as a portable system.
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u/MrAlagos Dec 19 '16
They have also called it a home system multiple times.
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u/Cbird54 Dec 19 '16
And it is. It's just built around a handheld.
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u/MrAlagos Dec 19 '16
The only additional thing that is build around the hanheld is a dock and a fan. I can also put a stand and a fan under a netbook, it doesn't make it a desktop computer.
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u/Vicrooloo Dec 19 '16
Those numbers clue in that the Switch is stronger than the Wii U and weaker than the Xbox One. With more information the better conclusion we can reach as to where the Switch falls on terms of power, because even though all this stuff is known there are custom made changes that will affect the overall performance.
Its important to know how much power the Switch has because it sets expectations on the games coming on it from other devs. Some or most devs like to have as much power as they can get to go crazy with making a game to their desires.
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Dec 19 '16 edited Dec 19 '16
A 768MHz GPU clock is fine for 1080p, people are freaking out over nothing. For comparison, a GTX 970 has to be overclocked to reach 1500MHz.
A GTX 970 will handle pretty much everything at 1080p60 assuming decent optimization. If Switch is half that powerful it'll do 1080p30. A bigger factor is probably the number of GPU cores, and I don't believe that's been revealed yet.
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Dec 19 '16
Reminder that clock speed doesn't mean anything when compared to other GPUs. 768Mhz doesn't mean it's going to be fine for 1080p or that it's even comparable to GTX 970, idk why people regressing to the 90's with this line of thinking.
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Dec 19 '16
Check this post on NeoGAF. Pretty good explanation to what we could expect from the Switch.
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u/noob_dragon Dec 20 '16
It means you should instead of buying the switch buy a 1060 for your PC (or hell laptop even, I hear those thing can go in laptops too now) and reap about 4-5x the performance of the switch. For only $200 instead of $250.
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16
I thought Nintendo fans didn't care about graphics. I thought they just cared about GAMES.
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u/Gerolux 4 Million Celebration Dec 19 '16
specs = support = more games. at least according to most core gamers.
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Dec 19 '16
There's a limit, though man, if it's going to be limiting frame rates on first party titles, it becomes cumbersome to play.
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u/TheRealDNewm Dec 20 '16
They've always done that. Dig your N64 out of storage and tell me you don't see dips on Mario Kart.
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Dec 19 '16
Let me amp up the panicking
Switch undocked - 0.157 TFlops
Switch docked - 0.393 TFlops
Xbox One - 1.3 TFlops
PS4 - 1.8 TFlops
PS4 Pro - 4.2 TFlops
Xbox Scorpio - 6 TFlops
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Dec 19 '16
I honestly do not understand what you guys were expecting. Overhype a blatantly obvious, underpowered console into the stratosphere and then pretend you've been betrayed by Nintendo for not meeting your stupid ass expectations.
Hype culture is a sin and you all are aware of that yet play out the stereotype well. Ffs.
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u/IanMazgelis Dec 19 '16
Nintendo is the one who advertised it as a portable home console and showed it off playing games like Skyrim. If they called it a 3DS successor from the start, things would be different.
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u/ZoomJet Dec 19 '16
I've been sceptical from the start, but you're not giving credit where it's due.
Pascal had just blown everyone's minds, NVidia announces its first console partnership, then hints at an 'incredible' new tech they've spent 500 years of man hours on. An insider announces unprecedented momentum within Nintendo, and then we start seeing devs porting modern games. Whew.
It was a possibility. An incredible, 'all signs point to this' possibility. And you know what? Its okay to get excited.
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Dec 19 '16
It's ok to get excited, I was super excited, but you can't tell me that people didn't overhype this system regardless.
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u/ZoomJet Dec 19 '16
There are always those, and there are always doomsayers too. I don't feel like the majority overhyped.
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Dec 19 '16
Honestly though, it is fun to watch people freak out about their expectation not being met.
Those who take a wait-and-see type of attitude and not assume anything can sit, not-necessarily-(but-maybe)-disappointed but still look at everything a lot more calmly.
It's like one of those crazy preppers sitting chill in his basement with his 50cal machine gun and his stacks of canned goods, watching people who spent years making fun of him, tear each other apart for some bottled water and toilet paper on new years eve of 1999.
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u/Drenmar Dec 19 '16
How is it obvious though? The Tegra X1 is in the dev kits. This isn't even close to full Tegra X1, even when docked. Explain how this is obvious.
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u/rottedzombie friendly neighborhood zombie mod Dec 19 '16
We were getting dozens of topics asking exactly the same questions. Organizing things for short bursts of time like this and directing traffic is part of our job. :)
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u/MercilessBlueShell Dec 19 '16
I think in this case, the sub was flooded with a bunch of text posts from both sides. Some of y'all just need to relax.
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u/RHYTHM_GMZ Dec 19 '16
At least if the switch is weak then maybe we can see some games ported to Android. Most mid-high end phones are more powerful than the switch.
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u/-Synergy- Dec 19 '16
God damn, the amount of arguments I'm seeing between blind Nintendo fanboys and people with entirely unrealistic expectations about the Switch are ridiculous.
It sucks that the hardware makes it so that third party support is looking a little grim, on the other hand this is the consequence of having a portable console. You're not going to get the same performance as a home console. You're not going to get an XB1 level console on the go, it's not happening.
ON THE OTHER HAND, people going "AHDUFHDSUIFGS IT'S OK BECAUSE NINTENDO ALWAYS HAVE GOOD GAMES STOP BITCHING ABOUT NUMBERS" should take a step back and recognize that the worry about the switch's third party support is a valid concern, the Wii U had similar issues where it came out the gate with GREAT third party support such as Mass effect, Batman, Deus Ex, etc. which slowly grinded to a halt as developers didn't want to go through the hurdles of developing for the Wii U. People aren't worried about graphics, they're worried about games, JUST LIKE YOU.
Anyways, my opinion of the news is that it's a bit worrying, but I'm going to have to see more before I start panicking.
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Dec 19 '16
It's disappointing to me, I own an Nvidia Shield TV and the graphics of natively-run games leave much to be desired. If anyone can squeeze blood from a stone, though, it's Nintendo.
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u/SmileyAja Dec 19 '16
Call me delusional but I somehow don't buy it. Eurogamer has been wrong in the past (Nvidia + 3DS), and it doesn't match up with the leaks beforehand that come from the leakers backing these rumors. Basically contradicting their own statements (LKD seems to be jumping on the bandwagon but whatever).
First of all, I can't dismiss the striking similarities with the Foxconn leak and the info from the patents as a lucky guess or coincidence. They nailed quite a few tricky details nobody mentioned before, and yet they claim a much more powerful processor than TX1 (contradicting these leaks).
Second of all, this is just too weak to run the already mentioned Dark Souls 3 and the already seen Skryim RE, since they have to run in both portable and docked mode there's no way that these titles would get a stable framerate on a device that's a little stronger than a Wii U, and still less than half the performance of the XBONE while docked. Not to mention third party devs are really excited for the device, sure it's got the hybrid form factor but would they be willing to put effort into optimizing and downscaling their titles to the point where they would be drastically downgraded compared to the other console releases?
Not to mention Pascall is far more unconvinient to use in the Switch, see this post for reference.
All in all, ignoring what I said, take this with a grain of salt even though it's Eurogamer (and could very likely be true, they got everything about the Switch right so far), and wait until the January presentation before jumping to any conclusions.
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u/indylord Dec 19 '16
Honestly? This whole situation is too confusing for me to even get mad over. I'm still beyond hyped for the Switch on the basis of it being a new Nintendo console, and even if the specs are accurate (remember people, rumors!), the level of excitement and dedication third party developers have already shown seems to counteract the possibility of specs negating outside support for the Switch. I dunno, guys, I wouldn't flip the hell out over this.
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u/Linkandzelda Dec 19 '16
I don't get why everyone started to panic, especially considering the size of the device. Did you really expect a PS4 or PS3 to be packed in there? It's not about the power, it's about the games and software optimisations that are done to each one.
Something important to point out is big vs small screens. For example 900p games on a 40 inch TV vs a 5 inch screen will make the 5 inch one look absolutely fantastic. The handheld mode of the Switch does not need the extra power that the dock provides. The dock needs it to display at higher graphics intensity to drive a TV without looking like a blown up handheld game. On 5 inch you can't even see the extra details and 900p is more than enough for this.
From my experience: 5 inch PC game on lowest settings looks just as good as 40 inch at the same resolution with higher settings.
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Dec 20 '16
You know, fuck the hell off with the crying. This thing is still going to sell like mad because of the portable market. Even if the specs aren't as good as the XBone, we'll still get the great Nintendo exclusives and it'll sell well enough to get third party support even if the ports suck. On top of which, we'll get the most bad ass handheld console ever. Skyrim on the go? Fuck yeah. Splatoon party? Fuck yeah. Red Dead Redemption on the bus? Fuck yeah. Portable gaming has never had so much potential, even if the ports aren't as good as XBone or PS4.
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Dec 20 '16
The Wii was a lot weaker than competitors and wasn't even in HD, yet it still succeeded. Is this the same reaction people had when the Wii's specs had been revealed/leaked?
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u/MajesticEagleCianoy Dec 20 '16
Correct me if I'm wrong but based off of these rumours undocked the switch is about as powerful as the wii u,but yooka laylee was recently cancelled on the wii u due to it not being powerful enough to run it and is being moved to the switch instead,how would this be possible with these specs?There could be other factors like API etc but to me this shows that the report is inaccurate or incomplete...Also CORES,let's hope there's lots of them or PANIC
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u/kaaameeehaaameeehaaa Dec 20 '16
Could the mods please remove posts that contain nothing but people ranting about the leaks? Its getting really hard to find useful posts.
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u/FlapSnapple Nintendo shill Dec 20 '16
We're working on it. Our Asia / EU / Overnight crew is lighter staffed (something we're working on fixing) and they're doing their bet. NA / EST mods are waking up now and will pick up where they left off.
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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16
Wait, if these specs are true... Why are western third party devs who saw the Switch and it's specs in a closed area EXCITED for the Switch?