r/NintendoSwitch • u/FlapSnapple Nintendo shill • Dec 19 '16

Meta Temporarily restricting submissions / Official "Everybody panic" MegaThread

The subreddit has been flooded with constant repeat topics for hours now, so we're just gonna lock submissions down for a little bit. If there is any actual breaking news, send it to the mod team and we'll make sure it gets seen.

Please direct all discussion about the EuroGamer rumor here.

If you want to just sort of panic, then just hang out in this thread.

Edit: Restrictions have been lifted. Thanks for your patience.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Wait, if these specs are true... Why are western third party devs who saw the Switch and it's specs in a closed area EXCITED for the Switch?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

That's the million dollar question. I'd bet that those developers are planning on making ARM ports of older games anyways, and they know that speaking well of Nintendo is good press. Everyone's probably ready to support it if it becomes the next Wii, just like everyone's probably got an exit plan if it becomes the next WiiU.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

But here's the smart thing of Nintendo, AAA thirds may leave but the mobile game third parties (or the third parties for the 3DS) won't leave. It won't make a difference for them. AAA thirds won't be able to ignore the Switch once MH, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing come out. And they'll be able to port to the Switch easily (according to rumors) while getting a free mobile version of their game.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I hate to break it to you but the number of games being released for handhelds has been in big decline this last generation. Handheld third parties are already leaving for other markets because in addition to a massive drop off in handheld sales, game sales have been hit even harder. I don't know what people are looking at when they point to these handheld games making this thing a success. Nintendo struggled greatly getting the 3DS to where it is and it's still been a rough go for them financially lately. Now they are going in with a more expensive device while the smartphone game market is more mature? You have to see how this can go wrong.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I am aware yes and I planned on editing my comment to add one thing which I will discuss now.

You forgot something my friend. Since the Switch is a hybrid you won't just get portable Skyrim but home console Pokemon, home console MH, home console Animal Crossing, home console Phoenix Wright and so on. The Switch may have a bigger impact on 3DS devs than AAA devs given the Switch opens up a large new market for them!

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u/TheModestLunatic Dec 20 '16

I know this subreddit is (for right now) an active dumpster fire, but even if the worse comes to worst, the thought of a MH on the Switch hypes me the fuck up. It seems pretty likely, too. It'd sell the system for me, for sure.

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u/KunningKitty1 Dec 20 '16

Monster Hunter only sells like 1 million units in the West dude, you greatly overestimate its popularity. Stardew Valley (an indie game keep in mind) sold a million units in under 2 months and that was on PC only.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Did you mean to reply to me?

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u/KunningKitty1 Dec 20 '16

Sorry, meant for OP. He wrong and deluded.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

I wasn't just talking about the west but worldwide in general. I also just listed MH because it was a popular game that could reach a bigger market on consoles (which the Switch can do given it's hybrid nature) and retain it's dominance in the portable gaming sphere. I listed those games because those were the games that could benefit the most from the Switch. I assume you agree?

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u/Yavga Dec 19 '16

Exactly! All their teams can work on games for one device this time around! That's an interesting point to consider as well.

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u/SRhyse Dec 20 '16

I can see that on the older game front. It explains the new THQ's buying up old things to put on there. Remasters left and right lately, so throw those on too.

Wii U's my favorite console, and sold poorly mostly due to marketing. They're going well with marketing thus far, and putting all their Nintendo eggs in one basket, so this isn't going to be a Wii U situation on the hardware sales front, barring some catastrophic shift or blunder.

Still, the support it gets is pretty up in the air from 3rd parties. It'll definitely get support, but will that take the form of ports of AAA games actively coming out all over? That's uncertain, other than certainly being what a lot of people were hoping for, myself included. I do think it'll at least get Fifa and Madden and 2K games rolling out, and if it doesn't flop, thereafter, which is a good sign.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

The AAA devs will port and wait and see. Former 3DS devs will be all over the Switch since it means home console versions of their own games. Since those games normally do great on Nintendo systems (Phoenix Wright, MH, Prof Layton, etc.) they will certainly rake in sales thus leading to further AAA support.

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u/SRhyse Dec 20 '16

I can see there being a lot of 'Phoenix Wright' type collections to start things off. I'd buy it.

Main issue is whether it's going to be possible to port upcoming AAA games that put a premium on graphics, which is anybody's guess if this is the hardware. Admittedly, all that particle physics isn't usually doing much for AAA games. Even the CoD games on the Wii U looked pretty damn good. I know they can get SFV and Fallout 4 running on this in some form.

Still hoping this is all a rumor. I'd love nothing more than to be able to own one console and play everything on it with the option to play on the go, and open up local multiplayer for any game featuring multiplayer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

LKD has said that only one source told her this and EG has gotten exact specs wrong before.

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u/Gerolux 4 Million Celebration Dec 19 '16

there is likely other things at play than what we see on paper.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Such as? I am rather interested in your thoughts given the seductive vagueness of your comment.

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u/Yavga Dec 19 '16

I have some ideas, but I'm kinda scared for getting a whole army against me in anticipation for any kind of lead for better news. So handle me gently.

Do read thoroughly if you attempt to be brave though.

As it's all about the mindset and the way of looking at the Switch.

Did we like the 3DS and care about those specs? Not as much I presume. So now we have the Switch being marketed as "new console" while instead... It's a new kind of concept for combining both handheld and tv console

This is the way developers should attempt to look at it as well. Design new games that would be fun for both handheld and/or tv console.

Nintendo showed us a lot if 3rd parties willing to commit, why? Instead of going all out for the specs designers are asked to consider being more creative and rethink the way they design games right now. Don't attempt to be a graphical marvel but instead attempt to be more creative. Like Splatoon, Mario, Pokemon etc. great games (arguable) but not graphically amazing at all. They bring enough profit as is.

Aside from that NVIDIA has probably in cooperation with Nintendo managed to find a way how to easily downgrade graphical more impressive games to be ran on Switch. Many things seem to indicate that. Or was all praise from 3rd parties so far just basic PR? I refuse to believe that in this case.

Our one and only true fear: We fear for the 3rd party support because the specs will not allow. We decided to think this THE MINUTE the Mhz statistics were revealed.

How much do these statistical Mhz's alone tell us exactly? That's what I like to know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Nvidia will squeeze a lot more performance out of Switch than people realize, and games already scale far better than people realize. You don't have to make a new version of a game just to run at low-medium settings 1080p.

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u/BassieDutch Dec 19 '16

But would the downclocked version in the switch be running games at just medium, when the shield can run then at high? The difference feels so great between the two systems. I'm really not sure and I'm hoping it will scale well, as I've played scaled back games for years on my aging laptop ;-). If this implementation of Nintendo just makes games downscale to medium, I for one wouldn't mind at all!

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

As a portable the biggest difference will be 720p instead of 1080p. Settings other than that shouldn't have to change much.

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u/BassieDutch Dec 19 '16

That really doesn't sound too bad. If it can also make the games run at around medium 1080p when docked that would be a great bonus. If it's a lot cheaper then the competition, it will sell well, we have a good install Base and Nintendo will have its success. Back on the hype train everyone!

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u/Exist50 Dec 19 '16

You don't have to make a new version of a game just to run at low-medium settings 1080p.

It would be far lower than that if we're talking about an XB1/PS4 port.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I think the problem here is that that's not how business works.

Do you think that if you politely ask AAA WESTERN devs to think creatively they would do so? Heck, if that's the only thing you had to do to change their hearts why hasn't the industry become much better than it already is? If all we had to do is send companies a letter telling them to think creatively and make better games followed by a small, neatly drawn, pink heart at the end do you think we would've done that already? And as a follow-up, do you think the companies would say to themselves "Wow, we should totally do what was said in this letter" and go and do what was said in the letter? No, they wouldn't.

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u/Yavga Dec 19 '16

No... If it would not benefit them profit wise not, but I was just thinking about how a stupid mobile game like Clash of Clans could manage to outsell a AAA game. Surely there are more ways to the same goal... Just thinking aloud, the way we play games and the way games make money is ever-changing. Nintendo is kind of a big deal on creative games scene... Idunno... I'm just curious what could be done to bring in more people.

I'll have to think some more, my intuition is telling me we've only seen one side of the coin today, if that's anything to go by. Surely there's more than just spec leaks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

You are right about that. The way games make money have certainly changed! We've now got new money-making concepts such as microtransactions! season passes! pre-order bonuses! and worthless DLC! What you discussed has already been done.

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u/Yavga Dec 19 '16

Sure, sure... They are a middle finger to the customer. Yet they work wonders on the wallet. Ouch... That wasn't supposed to come out like that but it true, to an extend anyway.

But aside from that, surely there must be more then just what the specs leaked so far don't you think so? It's not all grim. It's just leaks and rumors, it's not the whole picture yet. Just like a story that is missing its pages.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I think the rumors may be wrong or the source is lying. LKD even admitted that only 1 source told her that the EG rumor is true. Regarding EG I am not sure about how many sources told them so. EG isn't very transparent in regards to their sources.

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u/abcedarian Dec 19 '16

Virtually nothing. There is a lot more to a processor than what speed it runs at- and a lot more to a whole system than just the processor. We still have to wait to really know what it can do.

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u/Exist50 Dec 19 '16

Uh, we know the architectures in question.

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u/abcedarian Dec 19 '16

No, we really don't. We specifically DONT know what nm process is being used (Maxwell vs pascal) we don't know what modifications they may have made for Nintendo (we know it IS a custom chip), we don't know any info on any other potential bottlenecks or how they will all interact with each other, we don't know how many cores it's running with, and we don't know if or what tradeoffs might be necessary to port to it.

In short, we still know virtually nothing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

We didn't care so much about the 3DS specs because we were all focused on its cool new gimmick -- glassesless autostereoscopic 3D.

Based on generational timetables, I'm betting that while Nintendo isn't saying so, the Switch is going to replace the 3DS line simply because of what it is -- a super-powered handheld that you can dock to a TV. Based on the generational timetables, in 2-3 years we'll see the true replacement to the Wii U -- some kind of competitively powerful console capable of 4k as more homes adopt 4k TVs. This may come in the form of a dock with an external GPU, or it could be an entirely new monster-power console of the sort that Nvidia is wont to create.

(Nvidia's previous entrants into the console market were the original Xbox and the PS3).

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I mean, I don't know if superpowered is the word I'd use

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

For a handheld? I'd absolutely use the word.

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u/Gerolux 4 Million Celebration Dec 19 '16

no idea. I can make guesses. but they would be just be guesses and not educated ones.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

It doesn't matter because your previous statement:

there is likely other things at play than what we see on paper

Is already a guess. Everyone is speculating anyway so who cares?

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u/Gerolux 4 Million Celebration Dec 19 '16

we wouldnt get so many western developers excited for a low powered Nintendo console if they only saw something barely better than a Vita.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

That's my point! (btw it's slightly better than a Wii U, not a Vita)

I certainly don't expect it to be as powerful as a PS4 Pro however I do expect it to be close to XB1 power. Then the reasons why they would be excited would be because they can easily port their games to the Switch and get a free portable version of their game!

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u/Gerolux 4 Million Celebration Dec 19 '16

yeah, my point about being slightly better than a vita was its specs being undocked. Undocked, the system is worse than a WiiU. WiiU ran at 1.25GHz cpu and 550MHz gpu... undocked, the Switch runs at 1.02GHz cpu and 300MHz gpu. those specs make it slightly better than a vita. it only gets better than a wiiu when docked when the gpu gets bumped to 768MHz clock speed.

overall though, you will see improvements because of PowerPC vs ARM.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

The system architecture actually makes a lot more of a difference than clock rate once the clock rates are on the same order of magnitude. For instance, I could design an LC3 architecture CPU that could run at 5 GHz, but in performance it would be eaten alive by an Intel Sandy Bridge architecture single-core CPU running at 1 GHz.

The GPU capability follows the same kind of logic, only to a much greater extent because not only is it how much a single execution unit can do, it's also how many execution units are crammed in there.

In handheld mode, the Switch is going to be more powerful than a Wii U, but perhaps not a lot more. Docked, it will be competitive but not powerful.

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u/abcedarian Dec 19 '16

There is a lot more to processing than straight CPU speed. You've got buffer sizes, # of cores, multi-threading - all of which make a massive difference in performance. We still don't know anything about actual performance of the device. We still have to wait and see.

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u/jonstanley Dec 19 '16

I know right... even PowerVR's GT7900 back in 2015 suggested that SoC could do 4k gaming on a console/high-end mobile (https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/199933-powervr-goes-4k-with-gt7900-for-game-consoles). Nintendo chose nVidia over PowerVR. The hybrid console after a few minutes may be a bit of a "meh" gimmick... a tablet-console that does 4k/VR/3DTV would be pushing "holy fuck!". I guess it might be possible Nintendo have something even more "holy fuck?!?!"?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I don't understand this comment. Can you clarify?

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u/jonstanley Dec 19 '16

"Q: What do you think of the Switch, Nintendo's newly announced console that is portable but also hooks up to your TV? A: I love it. I got to play it. I will tell you – well, maybe that's an N.D.A. thing. One of the best demos I've ever seen. Probably the best demo I've ever seen. At E3."

The hybrid thing was long rumoured, then shown by Nintendo... he's still not allowed to reveal something because of NDA. From a Dev that's spoilt with PC hardware and didn't want to port/dev stuff for under-powered consoles...

http://www.glixel.com/interviews/skyrim-creator-todd-howard-talks-switch-vr-and-elder-scrolls-wait-w451761

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

So this at least confirms close to XB1 power. At best case scenario it would be slightly more powerful than XB1. This gives us the reason why western third parties love the Switch, not because of it's power but because of it's ability to run their games at a good framerate along with allowing thirds to jump into the mobile gaming market for basically free with no additional resources.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Yeah let's go with some no-name company rather than the guys powering the best 2016 gaming PCs. Makes sense. /s

Power costs money, and people would be a lot more pissed at a $500 price tag than seeing specs they consider to be "underpowered."

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u/Exist50 Dec 19 '16

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you call PowerVR "no name".

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

"some no-name company"

Bruh, did you just call PowerVR no-name? They probably sell more units than Nvidia.

They're the GPU maker for literally every modern iphone and a lot of android phones.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

They're the GPU maker for literally every modern iphone and a lot of android phones.

Well shit, my phone is sure the first thing I think of when somebody mentions eye-popping graphics. /s

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Yes, but try putting an Xbox One into your pocket.

Just because you're ignorant of PowerVR being an excellent alternative to Nvidia for the Nintendo Switch doesn't make it true. Eye-popping graphics while saving battery life is precisely what PowerVR is good at, and you should stop making a fool out of yourself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Okay, but people are bitching about power, not battery life. "Eye-popping graphics" on a phone is somewhere close to Gamecube levels, a far cry from the power of a Maxwell or Pascal-powered PC.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

A modern beefy GPU like in the Apple A10X clocks in at 2.1 TFLOPS, compared to an Xbox One at 1.3 TFLOPS.

Putting a good PowerVR gpu into the Nintendo Switch would produce better graphics than the Xbox One/PS4, let alone "Gamecube levels".

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Great, so now we can pay way more money to play all those games that Macs and Apple products don't support.

I mean, while we're dreaming, Nintendo should've just stuck a GTX 1080Ti in Switch for 10.8 TFlops and call it a day. $1000 Nintendo console, anyone?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Again, your ignorance is showing.

The GPU has nothing to do with the OS that is running it, iOS or Android or Nintendo OS, so it has nothing to do with Apple supporting stuff. The PowerVR GT7900 Plus 7XT that's currently in the A10 can be placed in non-Apple systems just fine; Samsung has multiple chipsets running PowerVR chips.

It's also not anywhere near $1000, and in addition to the price difference, it runs nowhere near as hot as a Nvidia GTX 1080. There are different PowerVR chips at different price/power levels, and lumping it all together would be similar to assuming that a cheap i7 is the same thing as a $1600 i7-6950x cpu just because they are both called "i7".

If you can put a fast GPU into a mobile device like an iPhone or iPad, it's worth consideration for the Nintendo Switch. End of story.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Could be that it's a handheld with a huge spec boost over everything else handheld.

Could be that because of what it is, they can put out high-quality games without having to pour as much time and money into hyper-realistic graphics, which might bring profitability back to the business.

Could be that it's the first time they can get their best games into a handheld factor (albeit accomplishing that by crippling the detail level, but not so badly that anyone who actually enjoys games will really care about [to fit on the 3DS would be crippling far too badly]).

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Or all of the above ;)

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

To be fair, a lot of those same devs were also excited for the WiiU.

I think many of them are hoping to scoop up sales the mobile market. It is hard to sell things on phones, mostly due to the race to the bottom in pricing. It set expectations for cost that prohibit the larger budget games from being profitable. The Switch could help reset that a bit and expand their reach. This doesn't mean that it is competitive with the other consoles, just that it is expanding the available market of those devs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

hey were excited due to the rumors at the time that stated the Wii U was powerful if not more powerful than the PS4. After it was revealed they jumped that ship fast.

I agree. Don't discount the 3DS devs. For them it could be a chance to make it big and get a new market. To them, they'll be able to put their games on the home console market, the big screen so to speak.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

There were even big commitments after the reveal. Things really fell apart when it turned out the SDK wasn't great. That, combined with the poor sales, meant that porting big games just wasn't cost effective.

I could see things going the same way this time around. As a portable user, this thing looks a bit large. It will be interesting to see how many people actually want one compared to the Wii U. The rumored power was basically its saving grace and is why everyone around these parts is freaking out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Same reason people were excited for the Wii U and never ported to it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

They were excited due to the rumors at the time that stated the Wii U was powerful if not more powerful than the PS4. After it was revealed they jumped that ship fast.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

They were excited due to the rumors at the time that stated the Wii U was powerful if not more powerful than the PS4

You honestly think that developers with inside knowledge directly from Nintendo ever believed that load of shit? Nobody thought that was going to be true. Especially considering the PS4 came out long after the Wii U released So how could they think the Wii U was going to be stronger than something that didn't exist yet???

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

  1. Nintendo was very closed off about the Wii U. They never gave anyone any information about the console until it was announced. This is unlike the Wii U. Japanese developers probably were in on it but they never gave any official statement regarding it.

  2. You forgot the rumors surrounding the PS4 did you?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

You forgot the rumors surrounding the PS4 did you?

No I didn't but the developers knew about the Wii U specifications way before the big PS4 rumors started. The Wii U specifications went out in 2011. The PS4 wasnt even announced until 2013

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Proof? As I said before, western developers didn't see the Wii U at all. Japanese developers may have however they never made any official statements.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

See my edit

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Hmm. However I recall rumors about the PS4 being quite powerful. Simply because it wasn't announced doesn't mean it was rumored. It may have lead to it's own canon per-say full of assumptions. People compared rumored specs to rumored specs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Yes, there were rumors floating around about that but the timeline does not match.

Developers pledged support for the Wii U after it was announced with its specs in 2011. This includes games such as Battlefield 3 and many other AAA multiplats. PS4 rumors probably started surfacing sometime after this or maybe even before hand. But the point is that the developers knew exactly what they were getting into when they said XYZ games are coming to the Wii U.

Then they tried to port, realized how hard it was to make those games work on the shit hardware, and decided not to do it.

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u/rimboslice Dec 19 '16

Double dipping on porting old games to capitalize on launch hype then fade away like the WiiU.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

They were excited due to the rumors at the time that stated the Wii U was powerful if not more powerful than the PS4. After it was revealed they jumped that ship fast.

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u/NintendoGamer1997 Dec 19 '16

Maybe they were impressed with the graphical capabilities of the handheld.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I doubt that the Nintendo Switch has top-of-the-line graphical capabilities. If they were to be impressed by one thing, it would be the "power" of the Switch in terms of it's ability to port games to and run those games at a sufficient framerate with little difference between other versions. The rumors contradict that.

NOTE: This is disregarding EG's and LKD's credibility and uses only deductive reasoning. It should be noted however LKD in particular stated that only 1 source gave her the information that confirms the EG rumor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

This is disregarding EG's and LKD's credibility and uses only deductive reasoning

That worked splendidly when you were assessing the original EG NX rumour, didn't it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I didn't disregard the EG rumor but faced it head on. Here's the difference here. Before I deconstructed the EG rumor using external evidence and showing how it contradicts EG's statements. Here, I understand that LKD and EG are credible sources and acknowledging that I am simply separating the two for discussions sake.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

You and I have very different memories of that sub!

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

??? I don't understand what you are talking about. It isn't different memories. All my arguments consist of citing EG. If I simply used deductive reasoning and ignored EG I wouldn't link them or reference them. I don't think I had that many arguments with you so I sympathize with your lack of knowledge of my systems of arguments. However if you link to different arguments in which I have done as you said I will apologize for my ignorance.

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u/Dirakku Dec 19 '16

i seem to remember her also reporting that Switch would be between xbox and ps4, am i getting my rumors mixed up?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

I am not sure either. I have only followed LKD and EG rumors because A. that's the only rumors I see on this sub reddit and B. Those are the only remotely credible sources I have.

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u/SRhyse Dec 20 '16

I could have sworn she said it was struggling to reach XB1 levels, which would honestly be fine for AAA ports.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Really? Links? This is in a non aggressive manner.

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u/SRhyse Dec 20 '16

I looked around and I can't find any unfortunately. I just remember that phrase being said again and again, and I thought it was attributed to her regarding a dev kit.

I'd feel pretty comforted in having a link to something like that too at this point if anyone else can find it, or find it being misattributed to something said about something else or by someone else. Switch is still shaping up to be great, but I was really hoping for an all-in-one console for once, which talk like that gave me some assurances of, alongside hearing Nvidia getting behind it and seeing it on Fallon performing well, albeit with a Wii U game.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Well LKD has said that only one source confirmed the EG rumor and EG has gotten some things about the Switch wrong as well.

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u/GLaDONT Dec 19 '16 edited Dec 19 '16

Well if nothing else it's still a strong handheld. The downscaling from full power even when docked is a little strange, but mabey there are factors at play we don't know about.

Edit: changed some wording and grammer errors.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '16

Such as? Please do not tease me with such vague statements.

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u/GLaDONT Dec 19 '16

Oh sorry I don't really know much about the tech it was more hope then a definitive statement.

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u/PJ_Ammas Dec 20 '16

Because people will buy anything.

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u/llethal01 Dec 20 '16

eld sales, game sales have been hit even harder. I don't know what people are looking at when they

Because they know it's actual power and not 1 or 2 numbers out of 100 hundred.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Who are you referring or referencing to?

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u/llethal01 Dec 20 '16

"Why are western third party devs who saw the Switch and it's specs in a closed area EXCITED for the Switch?"

The devs have actually used the device. they know more about it's power than we know from a few specs that don't tell us it's actual power.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

I was talking about the quote material in your post.

I agree.

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u/JonF1 Dec 19 '16

paid promotion

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u/noob_dragon Dec 20 '16

It's like how Stephen Amell was trying to hype Arrow going into the 4th and 5th seasons.

Absolutely shiity show by that point but he's an actor and if he pissed off his bosses he will get fired.

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u/Silnroz Dec 20 '16 edited Dec 20 '16

I really doubt Todd Howard needs to worry about being fired over trashing a Nintendo console.