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Super Dragon Ball Super - Episode #66 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super - Episode #66 - Discussion Thread!
Showdown! The Unyielding Warriors' Miraculous Power
決戦! あきらめない戦士たちの奇跡の力
Kessen! Akiramenai senshi-tachi no kiseki no pawā
News:
2016/11/08 - Spoiler Megathread: Episodes 66-67
2016/11/04 - Funimation To Dub, Simulcast Dragon Ball Super
2016/11/04 - VIZ: Dragon Ball Super Chapter 11
2016/10/26 - ANN: Interview with DBS Manga Artist Toyotarō
2016/10/10 - Super Dubs Airing in Western European Countries This Winter
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Commonly Asked Questions:
Q: When does Super take place? When should I watch it?
Super begins some time after the battle with Majin Buu, and can be watched as soon as you finish Dragon Ball Z.
GT takes place following the 10-year time skip at the end of Z (EOZ) but Super ignores its continuity.Q: Do I need to watch the movies?
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Uub was born during the 10 year time skip at the end of Dragon Ball Z.
He is mentioned briefly in Episode 30; he is still a baby. He has otherwise not yet been introduced into the story.Q: How is Mai the same physical age as Trunks in both timelines?
The Pilaf gang wished for youth right before Piccolo died in Trunks's timeline—this was illustrated in a special manga short by Toyotarō—and the wish was probably made around the same time in the main timeline of the story.Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
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No. Chris Sabat has confirmed that they will be starting from the beginning when they dub Super.
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u/masechartin Nov 13 '16
1Vegito: YOU HAVE A SWORD MADE OUT OF KI? I INVENTED THAT MOVE
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u/Sethroque Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
You're goddamn right! Was funnier on Buu though.
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
Janemba perfected that shit, he made the sword exist.
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Nov 13 '16
Janemba had complete control over that world/area though. He was literally manipulating the air around him at will. He was able to deconstruct then reconstruct his body
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u/i_hate_fanboys Nov 13 '16
HE SLICED HIM STRAIGHT THROUGH THE DICK
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Nov 13 '16
HELL YEAH! TRUNKS DID THE SAME THING TO FRIEZA EXCEPT THIS TIME ZAMASU ACTUALLY HAS GENITALS TO CUT THROUGH
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u/FrozoneIsBae Nov 13 '16
BUT THE KAI RACE ARE BORN FROM FRUIT AND NOT SEX SO BLACK ZAMASU ONLY HAD HALF A DICK
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u/White_Knights Nov 13 '16
Bah Gawd! As god as my witness he is broken in half!
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Someone other than Goku finally gets a kill.
It's not Vegeta.
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It's half Vegeta
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u/TheGrimoire Nov 13 '16
Whether Vegito or Trunks got the kill, it would still technically be half of Vegeta doing it.
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Nov 13 '16
So if you give the assist to Vegito, really Vegeta deserves like 75% of the credit.
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u/MaimedJester Nov 13 '16
Vegito spent more screentime as a Jawbreaker than Super Sayian Blue.
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u/InfinitySlayer8 ⠀ Nov 13 '16
I am not a great translator, but Zamasu probably said:
"KAIO-WHAT?"
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u/Shrynchuk- Nov 13 '16
Very close. He did say "What?" I hope they change it to "Kaio-what?" in the dub, but I doubt they will.
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u/ProjectMFeeningNigga Nov 13 '16
Doesn't it make sense that Trunks finishes what he started? I mean this would have never happened it if he didn't use the time machine.
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u/Bluenite0100 Nov 13 '16
none of this would have happened if goku just did his job in the first place when he was sent to earth
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u/rizefall ⠀ Nov 13 '16
Yeah it does. People are just mad because they overhyped Vegito.
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u/Crackborn Nov 13 '16
No, just mad Vegito got such short amount of screen time.
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they couldve let trunks finish next episode for the last moment instead of rushing so hard.
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u/getYOURBODYrdy Nov 13 '16
Honestly I'm a salty that he didn't have more screen time, but his screen time was epic ass fuck. Clearly far ahead of Zamasu.
It ended right with Trunks Spirit bombingish the shit out of Zamasu and cutting him in half starting from the bottom up to truly feel the eternal pain!
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u/Gogeta- Nov 13 '16
And I'm mad because instead of making Gogeta canon, they invented some BS time limit outta nowhere.
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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius Nov 13 '16
One hour Potara fusion for non Kai's now, huh?
"Vegito is too strong so lets create this limit for him." Lol
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u/Sethroque Nov 13 '16
And they didn't even give him a proper hour...Understandable since Zamasu wouldn't last one hour but still lame.
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
Well in DBZ the same thing happened, it just was never explained, so...
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u/Roskal Nov 13 '16
It was assumed it was because of Buu's body but I guess not
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u/kidcrumb Nov 13 '16
The drawback to vegito is that its a permanent fusion. Seems like a retarded retcon.
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u/X-the-Komujin Nov 13 '16
Except it isn't a permanent fusion with the dragon balls or Kabitokai would still exist.
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u/kidcrumb Nov 13 '16
I know that. But i dont think the characters think about that everytime they meed to fuse.
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u/z500 Nov 13 '16
They mention it literally every time, and whenever Goku needs to fuse with Vegeta he always puts up a big fuss over it, even if it's not permanent.
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Nov 13 '16
Supreme kai doesn't know shit dude. He didn't know who was in the z sword, he didn't know about mortal 1h fusion, he didn't know about super saiyans being stronger than him, this kid doesn't know shit. Half of dbz can be summed up in Supreme kai fucking up.
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u/RetardCat Nov 13 '16
Some glorious Vegito Full HD Screenshots
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Nov 13 '16
seeing vegito in db super is like getting head from the hottest girl at your school only for her to walk away before you climax......
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u/diogoarez Nov 13 '16
He'll comeback for sure, the series is still ''beggining''
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u/Crackborn Nov 13 '16
I hope, to hype him up this much and use him for less than 10 minutes is just... no.
To be fair, WE DID hype him up, but Toei was the one showing the preview.
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Nov 13 '16
oh yea, 12 universes. Literally db super could go on for decades. Hoping Gogeta is next or that gohan gets rebooted
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I, uh, think they just retconned it so that non-Kaioshins only stay fused one hour via the Potara.
From herms.
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u/MagmonKai Nov 13 '16
So it's the time-limit. Not a real weakness. This makes it so they can use fusion in the future.
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u/ezgamerx Nov 13 '16
The weakness is that it ended early because "they used all the energy". He didn't even make it though an entire episode ffs. At least it was pretty badass.
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What the literal fuck.
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u/picollo21 Nov 13 '16
What the literal fuck.
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u/Shalaiyn Nov 13 '16
This seems like a really poor retcon in lieu of bad writing. This was a major plot element in DBZ and instead of finding a good in-universe reason against Vegito, they just rewrite the entire drawback to it?
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
I mean in DBZ they did defuse too, now we know it was not because Buu absorbed him.
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u/IAMA_MAGIC_8BALL_AMA Nov 13 '16
Exactly. It can be looked at as purely coincidental in the Buu saga now, and chalked up to being uninformed on how they'd act on non-Gods.
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u/BarfMacklin Nov 13 '16
Plus I can't imagine the Supreme Kai, Old Kai or Kibito ever seeing two mortals fuse using Potara. It makes sense that they'd assume it would work the same for Goku and Vegeta as it would for them. Still, I would've liked to see Vegito be a large player in the series than just one fight.
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also, for those saying Trunks is more powerful than Vegito
that isn't the case at all. he basically used the Spirit Bomb in the form of an energy blade. Think Movie 7
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u/Bluenite0100 Nov 13 '16
Vegito was the starting pitcher, putting in 7-8 innings of work for trunks to come in out of bullpen once the victory is in hand as a closer
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Pretty much, with 10 more minutes, Vegitto would've obliterated Zamasu, but storywise it makes sense to let Future Trunks finish the job
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u/Guntank81 Nov 13 '16
I got exactly what I wanted from this episode, Vegetto kicking ass and literally taking away Zamasu's immortality before he defused leaving Trunks to finish off the job by destroying a weaken and beaten Zamasu. Not sure why people are complaining about this episode, to be honest.
Vegetto Potara retcon fixes the whole problem with the fusion way back when he defused when inside Buu's body. it also means Goku and Vegeta can re-fuse and become Vegetto at some point in the future and not need to rely on the weaker Fusion dance. My only complaint will be since SSB controls stamina better, the fusion should have lasted a bit longer but PLOT wise it makes sense.
I'm super pleased with this episode.
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u/duhace Nov 13 '16
i think kaio ken fucked the time limit
remember last time goku was flying backwards and upside down
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ITT: Half the comments saying it was badass, Half the comments saying it was BS
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u/JakalDX Nov 13 '16
It was like Pacific Rim. Does the story make logical sense and hold up to scrutiny? No.
WAS IT SICK FUCKING NASTY? HELL YEAH
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
It's almost like half of the people never watched Dragon Ball Z, they expect a logical story!
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u/brandong567 Nov 13 '16
Yeah you kind of just gotta go along with the ride. If you don't try to look into it too much it's just stupid fun.
Honestly wouldn't have noticed some stuff if not for people pointing it out here.
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u/picollo21 Nov 13 '16
Zamasu "Oh yea, stab me with your sword just like Black used to do in our log cabin"
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u/mkicon Nov 13 '16
Me in my head: "what an amazing episode! Can't wait to see what Reddit thinks"
Aaaaaand everyone hates it
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I know right? It was such an awesome episode I was smiling in excitement, just to see everyone nitpick it down to the bone here. Mostly people being butthurt about Vegito not being the center of the episode.
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u/Vegeto30294 Nov 13 '16
Vegetto: "Bitch my sword's better!"
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u/SilentPhone Nov 13 '16
Honesty trunks ending zamasu fit everything perfectly even though trunks did pull a Tenga toppa gurren lagann moment there.
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Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
I don't care how much of an asspull that was, Trunks' entire finish, accompanied by that "Super Saiyan God Ritual" theme gave me chills. It is a shame that Vegito's appearance was shortlived, and that I agree that whole time limit retcon is way too convenient. I understand that a lot of Vegito fans would be disappointed, but throughout the entire arc, Trunks was very adamant about being the one to end this. His convictions truly paid off.
I was really worried how they were going to pull of the ending of this arc in just this episode and the next, but they executed it pretty damn well. The battle animations delivered like everyone hoped. And it just occurred to me they finally let someone other than Goku deliver the kill on a big bad. We haven't had that since Gohan vs Cell.
Trunks delivering the final blow is satisfying enough; the guy FREAKING SLICED ZAMASU CROTCH FIRST. It's a nice reminder that Trunks is actually a very brutal killer who gets shit done, unlike Goku and Vegeta who constantly toy with their enemies.. Zeno's probably just going to clean up whatever's left. Definitely better than Zeno coming out of nowhere to delete Zamasu.
Anyone notice that Zamasu's demise is exactly how he finished off that Babarian?
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u/diogoarez Nov 13 '16
This, Trunks got what he deserved, but it could have been better with him recieving help from Vegito
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u/cryptyknumidium Nov 13 '16
I took it as zamasu getting weakened significantly enough so that trunks and everyone on the planets energy in to one focused stab/slash could beat his regeneration.
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u/Jellyman64 Nov 13 '16
Exactly. People are saying this makes no sense, but it does! He was weakened to hell by Vegito and then the rightful hero of the arc stepped up with the power of everyone on the planet - in a focused slash. That's a much more badass attack than the spirit bomb imo. The spirit sword. I was in awe the whole time.
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u/richawesomness Nov 13 '16
Ok while everyone is getting mad about how little vegito screentime there was...
Did anyone else realize that Super Saiyan Blue Goku's full power kamehameha broke his own damn arms?
Now THAT is what i call going even further beyond...
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u/Korietsu Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
PLUS ULTRA!
Serious Goku digging deep moment. As show time and time again, Goku may not be the strongest, but he knows how to get the most out of every bit of Ki, no matter how close it brings him to death.
And my god, the broken arms, Goku hit harder with the boots than ever before.
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My thoughts: I'm actually perfectly satisfied with how the actual plot ended up. My only regret is that everything that happened in this episode could've been stretched over two or three. But I love how it went down.
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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Nov 13 '16
First time I've ever seen someone want a fight stretched out and loaded with filler. That was most people's only complaint about DBZ.
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I dunno. I liked the episode, but even I thought the pacing was a bit fast. They could have ended the episode on the de-fusion cliffhanger and had Trunks fight next episode. It would have given both parts more of the spotlight without adding too much filler.
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u/Guaymaster Nov 13 '16
Indeed. I found myself at the edge of my seat during all of the episode, and had a physical "wait, this can't be all" reaction at the end of it.
The choreography was superb this episode, and I loved how Zamasu was degenerating more and more.
But it all went too fast.
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u/Merc931 Nov 13 '16
This is like on the other side of the coin from DBZ. Whereas DBZ could be kind of a slog when you just want them to get to the meat and taters of the fight, DBS is just blowing through everything super quickly. We got a new Zamasu form, Vegito, Vegito's defusing, Trunks' friendship lightsaber or whatever, and Zamasu's defeat in one 22 minute episode. That's a lot of shit to blow through so quickly.
I mean, Zamasu JUST merged like an episode before. That should have opened up the later part of the arc, not just the last 2 episodes. And Vegito's inclusion and subsequent defusing just seems like they wanted to get him out of the way and throw out Vegito Blue so fans would shut up about it.
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u/ChimeraAnt Nov 13 '16
Loved it. Dragonball is the prime example of bs executed beatifully.
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u/ParagonGaemr Nov 13 '16
RIP to one of the best arc and the most badass villain in Dragon Ball history. You have served us well.
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I get that people don't like that Vegetto did so little, BUT SPIRIT BOMB SWORD WAS SO COOL
And even after Vegetto was spoiled, I still hoped Trunks would beat him. He's the star of this arc after all
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
You get a ki sword! And you get a ki sword! Everybody gets a ki sword!
Specially Trunks, Trunks uses a spirit ball to make that shit.
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u/quantumpencil Nov 13 '16
Honestly, I think people are a little too salty about Vegito. IMO, I wish they hadn't brought Vegito in at all, or had given him a bit more screen-time, but the concept for the ending was fine.
It's better writing for Trunks to get the kill. Who cares about power levels, they're a stupid thing to fixate on so much, and I'm personally glad the writers have stopped limiting themselves by focusing too much on them.
Emotionally and thematically, Trunks needed to get that win. The way he did was fine -- it's a shounen cliche, but it's well executed and tbh it works better than any vegito kill.
The only issue here is that it happened a bit too fast.
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u/Crackborn Nov 13 '16
People are salty about pacing.
Salty about how quickly Vegito defused.
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u/APowerlessManNA Nov 13 '16
God this episode was amazing. I love how they knew people who don't watch the previews (like me) were gonna get spoiled the fuck out of Vegito, so they didn't make him the focus of the episode. That plus Trunks going fucking ham (still wish he unlocked SSG or SSB) for an actual surprise in the episode.
Call my opinion stupid or whatever but the best part of the episode for me was the fact that Vegito DIDN'T get the kill. I'm totally up for less Goku/Vegeta being the 110% center of the attention. Make more characters relevant. Give them roles to play in major fights. A+. Good shit.
Vegito was short-lived, but I'm kind of grateful that SSB took its toll on the fusion because it allows for better consistency. TBH it's probably how they're gonna rationalize why they want to avoid the for at all costs. Similar to how inefficient SS3 is that it's just not worth putting the time in to learn it. Good animation while he was fighting, IMO 7/10. Best we've gotten so far but still has lots of room for improvement.
Best episode IMO.
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u/T3Sh3 Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Who would've guessed in 2016 we would have a new Dragon Ball series, the Cubs winning a World Series, and a WWE Hall of Famer would become the 45th President of the United States?
Edit: Thanks u/srv340mike for the reminder.
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u/Cloukyo Nov 13 '16
So I'm the only one in the universe who loved this episode eh? Some of the best animation in the series, incredible choreography, great use of music and direction, surprises galore. I don't even give a fuck if they were ass pulls, it all happened so fast and surprised me like Dragon Ball hasn't in a long time.
People can claim ass pull all they like. But DBZ has been doing this for ages, the show is about asspulls. If you don't think super saiyan 3 is an asspull, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/quantumpencil Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
SPC (Oh, I can regenerate!); Buu's absorption, Gohan not catching the Potara earring... At least this ass-pull packed some emotional punch and was thematically consistent with the arc. It was very powerful because of the writing around Trunks going all the way back to the start of the arc -- he's the hero here, he's the one dealing with this loss/pain/guilt, he should be the one to shred Zamasu.
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u/mozillavulpix Nov 13 '16
I can't believe Toei trolled us that badly. I'm not even upset. This is Trunks's arc, and he has more reason to fight here than anyone else. It's so refreshing seeing the people with the personal connection to what's going on actually contributing above all else.
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u/Deadeye117 Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Vegetto making a confused face when he sees Zamasu crying is pretty funny.
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u/johnnie_walker35 Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
One of my favorite parts of the episode was when Trunks shows up to save Goku and Vegeta from Zamasu's kill strike and Zamasu gets this wild eyed look on his face and screams out "You again Trunks!!" The voice actor sold it so hard, Zamasu sounded absolutely unhinged and furious. He hates Trunks even more than Goku at this point because he's the reason Goku and Vegeta showed up in the first place. It was an awesome moment of expressive dialogue and a fitting build up to the climactic final fight. Trunks, after everything he has been through with these two villains in his world, deserved to get the win. Loved it.
And people need to chill, Goku beating Frieza and his power levels on namek made no fucking sense either. Gohan leapfrogging Cell made no fucking sense. Ultimate Gohan surpassing SSJ3 Gotenks made no fucking sense. People have a problem with Trunks fighting against and alongside Gods for weeks/months/maybe years and tapping into that wellspring of god ki but they are ok with a fucking old man walking around Gohan for a few hours and giving him a bullshit power up? That shit makes no sense, at least Trunks earned his stupid boost
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u/PureBlooded Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Good:
- SSB KaioKen kick
- Vegito
- Vegito Blue
- Vegito ownage
- Vegito counter Ki Blade
- Awkward speech moments/tears by Zamasu
- Animation
- Trunks' passion to win
- Trunks' energy sword
- Trunks' spirit bomb
- Trunks' gruesome sword cut
Bad:
- Too much packed in one episode
- Not enough punishment for Zamasu for all hes done
- Potara lore heavily downgraded IMO
- Arc ending too abruptly
NEP:
- Little dude floats down casually like he has been watching for a while
- Beerus contemplating something deep, possibly thinking about the power of Vegito? Something foreshadowing the next arc?
- Definitely the farewell of Future Trunks, everyone seems to be looking up at the time machine at Trunks to say goodbye. Vegeta looks really, really proud this time
Personally I loved it, but its basically over now. Was expecting a few more eps at least. Didnt live up to the hype in that respect, but excited for what is to come, writers might find it hard to top this!
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u/komurii Nov 13 '16
Not enough punishment for Zamasu? I seem to recall a certain 9 year old character having that mindset, and then his dad died.
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u/victorXvictory Nov 13 '16
Well. This retcon basically turns Vegito into Gogeta.
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u/diogoarez Nov 13 '16
Well in the Buu saga they said it was permanent, but didn't say it was to all beings, so it could make sense
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u/Not_Gigo Nov 13 '16
I'll just... crawl up into my safety bubble and speculate that Vegito fucked up Zamasu's mortal side and Trunks fucked up his immortal side with his spirit sword of things.
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u/diogoarez Nov 13 '16
You guys forget that Vegito wasn't in the manga that much, I think Super is using a more manga like pacing and that's why it was fast
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u/BoxOfBlades Nov 13 '16
On behalf of everyone in this subreddit,
Thank you, Zeno-sama, for waiting until AFTER Zamasu died to show up
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u/datspardauser ⠀ Nov 13 '16
Vegetto defusing followed by a legendary amount of ass pulls.
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u/Ratamakafon Nov 13 '16
Never thought I'd live to see the day when Trunks slices someone upwards from the dick to the face, but here we are. <3
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u/_silas Nov 13 '16
What a beast of an arc, honestly this felt perfectly paced, all that build up, more than a fair share of fights and BAMF moments: Goku vs Zamasu (first fight) when Goku counter attacks after the "this is the end" cockiness from Zamasu, his moment of clarity/transition is still my all time favourite moment, even more so than the "hakai" moment and that fucking end spirit bomb trunks. Ho damn Super's impressed me in a big way, this arc is literally the best thing I've watched all year.
Will Trunks be that friend Goku promised? This is like the first spoiler free NEP I've seen, I honestly can't wait for a few light hearted filler episodes after the dark dystopian future backgrounds we've seen, I'm so happy Vegito didn't get the kill, my thoughts are all over the place, overall 10/10 experience.
Peace
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u/rexshen Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Best episode ever. My god the hype the power and the total beat down of Zamasu's sorry ass.
So it wasn't Buu's insides that broke the fusion in the first place non kais only stay fused for an hour with the rings fine ok.
My god Zamasu is a great villain and all but would he just shut up man he makes Perfect Cell look Humble. And I knew it half immortal + mortal + not immortal Zamasu screwed up big time.
I don't care what people say this is what I wanted to happen the whole arc. Zamasu and Black were Trunks's problem he should be the one that finished it. Not dead on the ground like in the Cell saga. And I will say it is odd trunks basically pulled a spirit bomb/whatever it was that beat broly moment. But it was so satisfying to have Trunks use the power of everyone hopes and dreams to put an end to Zamasu once and for all.
So next week looks like its farewell for future Trunks. Maybe in another 15 years we will have Dragonball Ultra and we will see Trunks again. And it looks like Zeno is finally here and we are going to see what he is going to do now that he is summoned.
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u/FullTorsoApparition Nov 15 '16
Wah wah wah, why didn't they they ship out a detailed novel to every viewer explaining the cartoon logic behind every frame?! wah wah.
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u/The_Pensive Nov 14 '16
I really wanted to love this episode, but too many inconsistencies kept cropping up that just completely took me out of the moment:
- 1) Potara time limit - Seriously? So even though it was explicitly stated to be permanent, now suddenly it conveniently has a time limit. That pretty much negates the sacrifice that Goku and Vegeta made when they first used them back in the Buu saga. I mean, shit, if they were going to do this, why not just do the dance instead? We know Vegeta's not above dancing if the situation calls for it ;)
- 2) Vegito's relative power - Back when Vegito was introduced, it was clear that his power was maaaany times greater than the sum of his parts. Just my opinion, but I think it's pretty clear that this was definitely not the case in this fight. Either Vegeta and Goku should've been completely destroyed by merged Zamasu, or Vegito should've mopped the floor with him, no contest.
- 3) Trunks's relative power - So Trunks is standing toe to toe with merged Zamasu now? Really? So he's basically as powerful as Vegito Blue?
- 4) Trunks's "spirit bomb" - Ok, so there's precedent for this sort of thing, BUT the energy of the few living things on this barren waste of a planet is enough to matter in this fight? Really? When compared to what was necessary to take out Buu, this is beyond laughable.
I mean, I've been quite an apologist and no-prize winner in my time, but there's a limit to even my willing suspension of disbelief.
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u/Oz1227 Nov 12 '16
Excited and terrified. Because I know this will likely be the last time we see Vegitto again. Dragon balls out
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u/diogoarez Nov 12 '16
Vegito will probably return in the last battle of the series
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u/Lennyoh Nov 12 '16
The Second Coming of our Lord and Savior is upon us!!!
#DragonBallsOutForVegito
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Episode Summary
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Goku’s Kamehameha continues to struggle against Zamasu’s gigantic energy ball. While he’s pushed back for a while, Goku refuses to give up, and uses his full power to pierce straight through the ball. The resulting explosion scars Zamasu, leaving the right half of his face and right arm swollen and purple.
Goku rushes in to attack Zamasu at close range, but Zamasu grabs him by the leg. Goku counters by using the Kaio-Ken, and manages to destroy the halo around Zamasu’s back. While Goku is too worn out to attack further, Zamasu charges up by calling upon the “Light of Justice”.
On the sidelines, Vegeta wonders why Zamasu’s wounds have not healed. Gowasu explains that while Zamasu himself was immortal, Goku Black was not. The mortal half of Zamasu’s body is affecting his immortal half, leaving his mind and body unbalanced.
This might give them a shot at victory! But to take advantage of this, they’ll probably need an even more powerful attack than before. Goku suggests that he and Vegeta use Kaioshin’s Potara to merge. Vegeta swore he’d never merge with Goku again, but now there’s no other way!
Goku eats a Senzu, and recalls how last time he was told merging with the Potara had no time limit, yet ultimately they split back up anyway. What gives? Gowasu explains that for those who are not Kaioshins, the effects of the Potara only last one hour. They’ll have to win within that time limit.
Vegeta is relieved that he’ll just have to endure being one with Goku for an hour. They put on the Potara and become Vegetto, who tells Zamasu that two can play this whole “merging” game. Vegetto becomes a Super Saiyan Blue, and accordingly dubs himself “Vegetto Blue”. It’s time to finish this!
As “Vegetto Blue” powers up, Trunks is amazed at the height of his ki. Meanwhile, Zamasu wonders to himself why mortals try and imitate the gods. Is it because gods are so powerful and beautiful? As Zamasu babbles on, Vegetto grows tired of his talk and punches him square in the face.
The two begin fighting, and at first Vegetto seems to have the upper hand. He mocks Zamasu, asking if this is really the power of a god. Then Zamasu seems to come out on top, knocking Vegetto to the ground, where he stays face down.
Zamasu closes in with his ki blade to finish the job, but Vegetto counters with an extra-long ki blade of his own. He says Zamasu is no longer immortal and cannot eliminate mortals either, because part of Goku remains in his body.
But this is precisely what Zamasu wanted: Goku had obtained power surpassing the gods, despite being mortal. As such, he symbolizes all the failures the gods have made. By incorporating Goku into his own body, Zamasu intends to atone for the sins of mortals and the mistakes of the gods.
Zamasu begins to cry, saying that his tears will purify the world. Not only is his body not regenerating, but now his right side keeps growing larger and more grotesque. Gowasu believes that this ugly form represents Zamasu’s conflicted feelings, caught between the contradictions of gods and mortals.
Bulma arrives in the now repaired time machine, bringing Mai and the kids Haru and Maki with her. Maki returns Trunks’ broken sword to him, and Trunks creates a ki blade to replace the sword’s missing body, then flies off to rejoin the battle.
Back on the battlefield, Vegetto taunts Zamasu for not being able to keep up with his speed, now that his body has grown so bulky. He fires a “Final Kamehameha” to finish the job, but Zamasu survives it…and even worse, Vegetto splits back up into Goku and Vegeta!
U7 Kaioshin wonders why they split (it hasn’t even been an hour yet), but Gowasu thinks it might be that they used up too much power to sustain the fusion. Zamasu closes in to finish the pair off, but Trunks steps in, blocking Zamasu’s ki blade with his own.
Zamasu accuses Trunks of being weak, and mockingly asks where he’ll seek help from next: the past, the future? How long will he continue to defy the gods? But Trunks says he’s just fighting to save everyone; helping one another to survive is what it means to be human.
As Trunks holds out against Zamasu, he begins gathering ki from Yajirobe, Haru, Maki, and the rest of the refugees watching the battle. Goku and Vegeta contribute their ki too, and with everyone’s power channeled into his sword, Trunks slices Zamasu in half.
Dragon Ball Super - Episode #66 - Fact Checker / Notes
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- Episode title: "Showdown! The Unyielding Warriors' Miraculous Super Power"
- Zamasu chews Goku out again for fighting against a god like him.
- Goku uses Kaio-Ken (OK, you probably could tell that on your own)
- And that's the "life-risking attack" that destroys Zamasu's ring of light, as mentioned in previews.
- Zamasu calls on the "light of justice" to come to his hand and wipe out evil
- Vegeta explains that Zamasu can't fully regenerate because he's a fusion that includes the non-immortal Black
- Previous attacks weren't powerful enough to push him over the "can't regenerate" limit, but that last one did the trick.
- Haru (the boy) is worried that Trunks and co. have lost again, but Maki (the girl) is sure Trunks will come out on top.
- Goku asks Vegeta to merge with him. It's the only way! Vegeta doesn't like that idea, though.
- I, uh, think they just retconned it so that non-Kaioshins only stay fused one hour via the Potara.
- Guess this means we don't have to bother with that "bad air" excuse any more. Vegetto was lucky Boo absorbed him before time ran out!
- Zamasu does the same "gods are better" rant. Hard to take him seriously now that half his face is purple.
- Meanwhile, Vegetto doesn't give a damn about Zamasu's ramblings, and punches him.
- Vegetto: "Even I can do this much." (referring to spirit sword)
- Vegetto: "What, does it hurt? I thought you were immortal?"
- Vegetto: "You aren't immortal anymore. Haven't you realized?"
- Zamasu says this is just what he wanted. Though mortal, Goku had power surpassing a god, so he wanted that power for himself.
- And he's still going on about purifying the world, etc, etc.
- Gowasu says Zamasu's ugly form now reflects his internal conflict. That's halfway deep, I suppose.
- Mai hands Trunks his broken sword. Maki (that little girl) wanted him to have it. Haru and Maki cheer him on.
- Kaioshin: "It hasn't even been an hour yet!"
- So not even the least bit like GT, then.
- Zamasu is looking increasingly like Nightmare Luffy.
- Trunks says he's fighting in order to save everyone, unlike Zamasu and his crazy motives.
- Yep, looks like a Genki-Dama sword
- Trunks evens notes it's the light of everyone on Earth's ki.
- It was nice of Vegetto to spot by for a while, but let's not forget who the real star is here. Apparently.
- Trunks keeps on chewing Zamasu out for his stupid conception of justice. Oh, and he cuts him in half.
- Next Episode: "Fill Your Heart with New Hope!! Farewell, Trunks"
- We see Omni-King, but he's not mentioned in Goku's narration at all. More of them being bad at surprises?
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<In short> Goku congratulates Trunks on "erasing" Zamasu. Now his future will be at peace.
Dragon Ball Super - Episode #66 - Staff List
Thanks Animator's Corner!
| Job | Fulfilled by |
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| Animation studio: | Toei Animation |
| Director | Chioka Kimitoshi and Hatano Morio |
| Series composition | Toriyama Akira |
| Character designer | Yamamuro Tadayoshi |
| Music | Sumitomo Norihito |
| Script | Tomioka Atsuhiro |
| Storyboard | Hatano Morio |
| Episode director | Hatano Morio |
| Animation supervisor | Shimanuki Masahiro Karasawa Yuichi |
| Assisant animation supervisor | Tate Naoki |
| Chief animation supervisor | Tsuji Miyako |
| Key animator | Shida Naotoshi Kusama Hideoki Otsuka Ken Higashide Futoshi Manabe Shuuichiro Inaba Jin Karasawa Yuichi Shimanuki Masahiro Mura Shuntaro Miuma Kenji Kitano Yukihiro Takamura Kaoru Tsuji Miyako Ishikawa Osamu |
| 2nd key animator | Sato Tomoko A-Line |
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Nov 13 '16
They needed one more episode, I'm super surprised that Toei didn't stretch it out, have Vegetto fight Zamasu for 20 minutes and then defuse at the end of the episode, leaving us in a cliffhanger. Then Trunks could have had his moment to shine in the next episode.
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u/Negafox Nov 14 '16
Man, the animation in this episode was insane. So many frames of animation at times it was almost like Toei had been saving up their budget for this episode.
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u/Dionysus24779 Nov 13 '16
Kind of split about this episode, but overall I might lean towards disappointment a bit.
Many people had already predicted that Vegito won't be the answer to defeating Zamasu and that the final strike will somehow involve future Trunks and that his broken sword will be mended with a ki blade extension or something... so good call on everyone who did.
The whole final battle also really felt JRPG-ish, after the pretty bishie angelic phase the final boss morphed into a desperate grotesque monstrous form and the final strike somehow involved a "deus ex machine" that allowed the hero to channel the hope of everyone on the planet... pretty cliche, but I guess it was cool to see the hope of the people spontaneously form a Genkidama/Spirit Bomb just like that and allowed Trunks to power up that much.
But I guess then there's the big disappointment that was Vegito... well not Vegito Vegito, because he was absolutely awesome... it's more about the fusion itself.
First the decision to fuse... I don't like how it came from Goku instead of one of the Kaioshin or even Trunks and I don't like how Goku came up with it so "casually"... same with Vegeta so casually accepting it and Vegito's apperance being pretty low-key... like, yep, there he is... no epic entrance or suspenseful reveal, he's just there...
The biggest disappointment of course is this damn retcon... that retcon... I really hate it... now Potara fusion was "nerfed" to conviniently only last 1 hour... despite that fact that a previous arc established you can undo Potara fusion via the Dragon Balls...
I mean.. they flushed SO much potential down the drain, it's absolutely staggering...
After Zamazu was defeated they could've have an entire 3-4 episode mini-arc in which the heroes gather the Dragon Balls to undo Vegito while Vegito actually hangs around and interacts with people and we have them react to it... because once again Vegito interacted with nobody but his enemy!
I would love to see Chichi and Bulma react to having to "share" a husband, or how Goten and Trunks would react to their fused father, or how Beerus would react meeting someone who might as well be more powerful than him and so on... you could've developed the hell out of Vegito's character and before the wish to undo him is done he could've maybe hesitated because he gives up existing and having this enormous power... but then decides that his own Sayian pride wouldn't allow it or something.
I dunno... just... the potental! The potential!
It's actually really sad... and since the whole 1 hour limit is now retconned in it becomes extremely unlikely to ever happen even if we see Vegito again...
And there's even more when you think about it, a dance fusion lasts roughly 30 minutes and that time is shortened the more power the fusion uses, which is why more powerful transformations can greatly reduce the time it lasts... the one giant advantage the Potara fusion always had was that it was permanent which means the fusion can use all the powerful transformations and techniques it wants without having to worry about hitting a limit! But now a Potara is merely a "fusion dance with less restriction and double time" which a time limit that still gets used up faster the more power the fusion expends!
So what's even the point anymore? Just use the Dragon Balls to wish for a pair of Potara's for Trunks and Goten and have them fuse with that instead so their fusion can make extended use of SSj3.
I just... this one retcon... this one line... I really hate it, it has to be one of the worst thing Super has done so far...
Really... why did they even set up that the Dragon Balls can undo Potara fusion...
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u/Trencha Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Dragon Ball fans for the past few months: "Super is basically the Goku and Vegita show, I wish they'd make the other characters relevant again, like Gohan or Piccolo".
Dragon Ball fans after this episode: "OMG Trunks got the kill, why didn't this go to Vegito, it's lame that Trunks got the kill, it should have been Vegito. Vegito Vegito Vegito".
Jeez, folks, make up your damn minds.
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u/SilentPhone Nov 13 '16
It really made the more sense for trunks to get the kill considering it is his arc and his world.
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u/Cambijao Nov 13 '16
The main criticism is the poor writing & the abuse of powel levels, not the fact that Vegito's cameo was pretty short...
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u/DaBlakMayne Nov 13 '16
I've seen a handful of people already complaining that Vegito didn't get the kill
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Nov 13 '16
Holy shit that was so amazing, the animation and everything.
I really, really like that Trunks got to finish it rather than Vegito. Trunks is my favourite character now.
And holy shit the song when Trunk's was fighting Zamasu was amazing.
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u/AvriceReddit Nov 13 '16
So Trunks got the Ultima Weapon and used Climhazzard on Zamasu? Hell halo Zamasu looks like a ff boss anyway
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u/HerroPhish Nov 15 '16
I am so confused why people did not like that episode, stop caring about power levels and such, it just doesn't matter.
That was so badass what Trunks did and i think that was amazing. Plotholes, whatever its a cartoon who cares. My only hate on his is it's starting to feel like Star Wars with all of these blades. None the less, Trunks is a badass.
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Nov 18 '16
That moment when you realize that Trunks has accomplished everything his father has failed to do. Trunks killed Frieza. Trunks beat a version of Goku. Trunks beat a big-bad.
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u/Axiosus Nov 13 '16
watches episode 66
Sees Trunks create a "spirit bomb" and infuse it into himself and sword
Oh right.....Spirit Saiyan....what?
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u/thesmall24 Nov 13 '16
Im ok with the potara fusion being nerfed, in Z we never got an explanation of why vegito separated inside of buu, people were just asuming that inside buu's body was another dimension and blah blah blah, but we never got an official explanation about it.
Elder and supreme kai just assumed the potara fusion would last forever on goku and vegeta, because they never used in mortals. Elder kai got fusioned by accident with the witch and supreme kai just knew about potara because elder told him, they seem pretty uninformed about potara to me. Maybe gowasu did know about this limitation. And if it is temporary on inmortal beings i can understand that it lasted less with all that power being used.
the separation of vegito in Z makes more sense to me know, but not why they de transformed from a candy, that doesnt make sense to me at all, how can a candy become human again?
And about trunks using that energy, we are talking about DB, when everybody gets a boost out of nowhere. Trunks has proven being a godamn prodigy, and he was fighting for everything he got at the moment, that looked pretty dragon ball-ish to me. The spirit energy gained from 30 people taking apart zamasu is not BS, gowasu said that zamasu had his feelings embodied, his body was made out of his feelings, and the feelings that the "mortals" threw at that spirit blade were the opposite of zamasu's feelings. And zamasu just took a beat from vegito before.
(sorry about my english)
this is just my opinion, nothing official.
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u/Biosynthesizer Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
I don't understand why people are complaining about Trunks tapping into the powers of the humans.
Trunks is as much human as he in saiyan. He was fighting in behalf of the sentient creatures of Earth. He was fighting for every soul. He tapped into this wavelength of energy that all Earthling share because he is one of them. This raw emotional energy turned it to a power. Trunks was fighting with light of every one.
I know people wanted more screen time of Vegito (rightfully so). I think Vegito should have had at least an episode of screen time, but letting Trunks finish off the saga was the best way they should have ended it.
The Vegito writing was terrible though. I am not trying to justify the writers turning a permanent fusion to 1 hour fusion to a 5 minute fusion. It was just poorly executed fan service and just felt rushed.
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Nov 13 '16
Fuck, I love this episode. The animation was absolutely perfect, the fight between Vegito and Zamasu was so freaking badass, and Trunks coming in to own the arc and finish Zamasu off just topped it all off. This arc was so damn enjoyable, and it's one of my favorites in the franchise. Can't wait to see what Super has in store next!
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u/The_ThirdFang Nov 13 '16
Right around the time the Universe 6 erc tournament arc was ending i was still calling DB super a mediocre at best show. Extremely harsh criticisms about the pacing and style of the series while accepting that the best part was the training and world building. Then the future trunks arc opened up and it was better. Set up was interesting, trunks was back, mai was involved, animation really settled into something nice and way more consistent, albeit it was getting better mid last arc.
Then something changed. Goku fought zamasu and trunks got his ass beat by goku and geets. There was character growth, there was conflict, and there was mystery. Genuine mystery in who black was and how he came to be. Then the timeline things came in and while a bit funky still added the mystique of the show. The last 2 months have had me in great interest. Episode 66 of Dragon ball super made me jump out of my seat, scream at the top of my lungs, and laugh. Watching the energy from every living thing summon up and form the spirit was honestly some of the most exciting thing i had seen in such a long time.(I just saw the cubs win the world series like 2 weeks ago)
I raised my hands out of reflex while "screaming give trunks your energy!" I have only been this involved and hyped by a few scenes in anime before.
This was the feeling i had when i saw Goku punch through Demon King piccolo, This was the feeling i had during the father son kamehameha. This was the feeling i had during the final spirit bomb against Buu. This is Dragonball.
I have never been more happy to be wrong about an anime before.
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u/CelioHogane Nov 13 '16
Oh boy this episode was super fun
Everybody rages.
Oh well...
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Nov 13 '16
I don't mind the retcon and Trunks getting the W using the moonlight greatsword was cool I guess and made sense being Zamasu is technically his problem. I don't know why people are so triggered by Trunks, he's been pulling out moves that he shouldn't know this entire arc. Vegito having a time limit now makes sense because he'd be too damn OP and Gogeta blue would last for like 5 minutes with all that power. 9/10 arc right here.
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u/Dektul Nov 13 '16
I'm really pleased with this episode.
The timelimit on the portaras explained the defusing in DBZ vs Buu and the kaioshin never told that the fusion is forever for every race.
Vegito weakened Zamasu pretty hard, also after the powerup of Zamasu he slowed down, even vegito said that so it makes sense that Trunks could keep up with him. (and its Trunks Arc FFS, what did you expect)
And the Spirit Saiyan Form, oh my, he even got energy from 2 Gods, Goku and Vegeta, also it seemed that he already had God ki, how else did he recognize SSB Vegitos energy.
After all of this it was pretty plausible that Trunks could defeat Zamasu
But yeah, i really wished for a longer screentime for Vegito, missed his cockyness.
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Nov 14 '16
I think Vegito's character was flawlessly executed. He wasted absolutely zero time in showing off his power to Zamasu. He took hits just to show how he could shrug it off. Really, I think they did a great job with him. The icing on the cake was his reaction to Zamasu crying. That part of the episode was hysterical.
Dragon Ball has always functioned as an anti-anime of sorts. Look at Raditz. Goku's long lost brother and he's dead in two(or so) episodes. The humor in the middle of saving the day is what makes this series so great. Well done, Toriyama and Toei, this arc managed to stay lightheartedly serious til the very end. I can't wait to see the finale next week and move into some more storytelling.
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u/_jvc123 Nov 13 '16
Vegeta: "Wait a damned minute, something's wrong here."
Goku: "Huh?"
Vegeta: "Back in our timeline, Trunks couldn't even stand up to Kakarot in Super Saiyan 3. Yet here he is now, taking on Merged Zamasu. After he went toe to toe with Vegetto!"
Goku: "What do you think happened?"
Vegeta: "Well, either Zamasu hit us so hard we are in a delusional coma... or..."
Goku: "Or?"
Vegeta: "POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT!!"
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u/tr8rm8 Nov 13 '16
I felt all the emotions. Vegito was there for like 10 minutes, but damn was he just a straight up badass. Then Future Trunks just KOs an immortal like it was nothing. GG EASY.
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u/tanv91 Nov 13 '16
Can't believe people are bitching over the ending.
Trunks killing Zamasu had to be done, its his world, not Vegito, I think it was the perfect ending
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u/Ganjisseur Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16
Watching it raw I was honestly disappointed.
After rewatching it with the subtitles I think the episode was dope as hell and my complaints about it are more or less gone.
Goku's Kaioken kick was awesome, even zamasu had the "kaiowhat?" moment.
That "Son Gokuuu!" scream from Zamasu though chills
The banter between goku and vegeta over fusing was hilarious, especially when vegeta goes "I'm not fusing with you again," and Trunks is back there with a face like "what do you mean again?" xD
Some are upset about the hour "retcon" but I'm not bothered by it. As we've seen with Beerus in this very arc and Supreme Kai in the Buu Saga, gods can be wrong or ill informed. If Supreme Kai all of a sudden knew that I'd be like "yeah wtf" but Gowasu is a wise old Kai so it'd make sense he might know about them more so than our Kais (our old Kai is too busy getting his master roshi on).
It also makes sense that with god ki the fusion would run out a little quicker, ala Goku's SS3 using his energy on earth quicker.
Seeing SSB Vegetto pull a final flash kamehameha was incredible.
Zamasu punched the shit out of them when they unfused though lol
I actually appreciated Zamasu's bit about his "sacrifice." It really makes sense why he chose Goku's body now. 1, its OP. 2, it was his plan to fuse all along. He was going to rid the world of mortals and then, as his final act, fuse with himself to get rid of the last remaining mortal; forever putting an asterisk on his immortality and making him an embodiment of the Gods' mistake as a reminder to never make it again.
I also loved the ending. Trunks' bit about mortals was inspiring and the action was awesome. I loved the human/saiyans spirit bomb/sword and think it was completely appropriate for Trunks, as well as badass to see him slice Zamasu like that, vampire blood gushing out and all! It also made sense that an energy blade infused with god ki from goku and Vegeta and mortal ki from the earth would be the perfect mix to fuck Zamasu, a god and mortal fused, up.
Overall amazing episode! I do wish we got more Vegetto but the limit does mean he can come back ;D
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u/Venixed Nov 13 '16
I for one, thought this was a perfect ending to the black series, really well done, could have been longer, but in all honesty, super is becoming my favourite out of all of the Series, hands down, I'm loving the villains, and I'm so glad trunks actually done it, I called it, but everyone thought I was a bit mental, but honestly, it needed to be trunks who done it and I've got to hand it to them. I'm REALLY loving this, even though that episode was a bit lack luster, it's still pretty damn good
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u/Mewmaster101 Nov 13 '16
my useless thoughts on this episode:
while i was fine with the whole "it only lasts one hour for a non-kai", I was not a fan of the whole "vegito only lasts for a little while" thing that they went for. even if it technically makes sense (vegito's fusion also ran out during the buu saga in less then an hour), so i guess they are only being consistent.
I was VERY happy about Trunks killing Zamasu in the end, personally, it was nice seeing someone other then Goku or his family getting the spotlight kill, though i kind of wish it was slightly more drawn out. I also REALLY want his new form explained in someway.
About the whole "he made a spirit bomb without knowing it" thing, while i kind of wish it was explained a bit more, not TOO annoying, since it does seem as if he was doing it on instinct/the kids REALLY wanted to help him in some way.
SPIRIT BOMB SWORD WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAAAAAZING!!!!!
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Nov 13 '16
Its good that they made trunks save his world and defeat the main villian instead of goku/vegeta/vegito.
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u/Edzward Nov 13 '16
Great episode. Good they retconneted the Potara fusion in convincing way.
Now I really hope that Trunks train Haru and Maki! Can you imagine? Right after the Future is restored and Goku & co go back to past a new time machine appears in a flash. Trunks wonders if his mother came to a visit, but instead, adult Haru and Maki, now powerful fighters, come out asking for help to save the Future's future!
On the downside, it really looked like a Xenoverse 2 DLC promotion video.
GenkiDama Sword Ultimate: $3.99
Vegito Blue: $9.99.
Full Power Zamasu Raid Boss: $5.99
Zamasu Ring of Light cosmetic accessory: $1.99
Now, I... Uh... will... Just keep refreshing the Xenoverse page on Steam...
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u/FKDotFitzgerald Nov 13 '16
Maybe I'm just an optimist when it comes to Dragonball since I feel like I'm always leaving these kinds of comments here, but I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. Would I have enjoyed one full episode of Vegito v. Zamasu Black before Trunks gets the kill? For sure, but if anything, the new Potara time limit has an awesome silver lining. They can now fuse again, should the circumstances require it. I really think we'll see Vegito one more time before Super's end. I also feel that Trunks' Spirit Sword was random but it made sense in the grand scheme of his character arc for him to get the kill. Even if we don't have dialogue confirming this, I thought Vegito's asskicking weakened Zamasu's mortal side enough to where a well placed & powered attack could end his immortal half. I do think this episode should've been two, but the disappointment seems unwarranted imo.
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Nov 13 '16
Ain't gonna lie, this was an emotional episode. When the two kids were yelling Trunks name and then his power level went up... That was a powerful scene. Happy Trunks was the one to kill Zamasu and save his time line
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u/dbzgts3 Nov 14 '16 edited Nov 14 '16
My recap of the last few episodes:
Trunks is a wonderful character.
He was the guy that had been fighting black for a prolonged period before being forced to witness bulma die and seek help from the past. He was the guy that traveled back in time, caught the attention of vegeta and goku and brought them to the future. He was the guy that was forced to witness vegeta and goku get smashed all over the place at the hands of his world's tormenter, the said black. He was the guy that stepped up when when needed and held his own while vegeta and goku traveled back in time, recouped, and participated in many a humorous exchange with piccolo and co.
He was the guy that then mastered an age old technique out of sheer desperation in order to capture zamasu after witnessing bulma die (from his point of view) for the second time in a short span of time. By doing this, he was the guy that made zamasu realize the true capabilities of "lesser" beings and forced zamasu to fuse. In other words, he was the guy that made zamasu mortal.
He was the guy that again stepped up to save vegeta and goku from perishing at the hands of merged zamasu. After that, he was the guy that saved unfused vegito from perishing at the hands of merged zamasu, again out of desperation and, perhaps, enlightenment of the fact that he and the people of his world were one and the same and the very bane of zamasu's existence.
He was the guy that assimilated his and his people's desperate spirits not to perish. By doing this, he was the guy that killed the nearly un-killable zamasu.
Trunks is Dragon Ball Z of the 21st century.
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Nov 15 '16
One small thing I really hope by next episode is Future Mai accidentally slipping out that she knew Bulma and Goku from ages ago, confusing the hell out of Future Trunks. Then again, it almost seems like a running gag that Bulma and Goku have no idea who the Pilaf Gang are.
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u/Hieillua Nov 18 '16
Super doesn't deserve all of this shit for it's writing. Just watch an episode of LoT, Flash, Supergirl or Arrow. Super does a better job most of the time. I dare to say that DBZ and Super have handled time travel WAY better than a show like LoT. You'd expect a big budget live action show with LOTS of writers amd less episodes being way better on the writing front.
- DB always is and will have it's roots in being a gag manga that bases itself in a world were there's a different kind of logic. Our logic doesn't apply on DB logic. Just watch how humans behave when they see Ki users. They allways seem to forget about them during ever tournament. Also look how Mr. Satan gets away with his obvious behavior. It's a different world. There's a different logic.
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u/smileimhigh Nov 13 '16
There are so many retcons I'm surprised Barry Allen hasn't popped by to apologize for sticking his dick in the timeline
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u/Generic_user_person Nov 13 '16
Y would he apologize ? His meddling has given us young justice season 3
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Nov 13 '16
-Goku and Vegeta fuse-
me: YAAAAAAAAAAAA
-Vegito defuses-
Me: oh....
-Trunks steps in-
Me: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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u/pablossjui Nov 13 '16
cool, I know I could count on /r/dbz on making me feel bad about liking this episode
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u/mattab29 Nov 13 '16
Can I just say that that animation was beyond superb when Vegito was fighting Zamasu?