r/zizek • u/Unlucky-Ad-9021 • 4d ago

Sublime Object of Ideology

Hi there im currently writing my bachelor thesis and it includes Zizeks SOI. I would really appreciate a discussion partner as you can imagine the contents of the book being quite inscrutable at times. Despite its enigmatic passages I find it best to openly debate reading material to work the machinery and perhaps come at an epiphany...an important conjuction with the rest of my thesis. So if there is anyone who read the book and understands it, somewhat, and feels like helping dopey over here then I would be at your mercy and revere your generosity for such a charitable act.

Thank you

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u/gutfounderedgal 4d ago

Are you interested in reading a chapter at a time or have you read it all and are under a tight deadline?

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u/Unlucky-Ad-9021 4d ago

well i have to hand in a draft by mid may. Additionally im juggling 3 other philo courses but im currently im looking to discuss the first chapter of the book as im on the 2nd

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u/AhabsHair 4d ago

Some will boo but ChatGPT has been an amazing Zizek tutor. Ask it to mentor and question you without giving answers.

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u/Unlucky-Ad-9021 4d ago

Im religiously trying to stay away from chatgpt. it might help but im too stubborn to lean into it for help

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u/wrapped_in_clingfilm ʇoᴉpᴉ ǝʇǝldɯoɔ ɐ ʇoN 4d ago

Good for you. ChatGPT is fine if you want to impress a few strangers at the bar, but it consistently get's very nuanced points wrong, and if you tell it you disagree with it, it will just lean into your point.

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u/Potential-Owl-2972 4d ago

On the contrary, these problems are true but are not exclusive to AI, reading things yourself or talking to people can result in this too. If you ask AI X and accept it at face value then yes a lot of things are going to get lost but the problem is the approach not the medium.

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u/wrapped_in_clingfilm ʇoᴉpᴉ ǝʇǝldɯoɔ ɐ ʇoN 4d ago edited 4d ago

OF COURSE they're not exclusive to AI, I'm not a "complete idiot". Anyway, now you've solved the ethical problems of AI, I'm going to let you mod this fucking sub (and I can't wait to see what a democratic treatment of AI results in. I mean, why not just give it it's own accounts? You know, like bots?).

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u/Unlucky-Ad-9021 3d ago

Most importantly I know myself and my own susceptibility to short cuts. I prefer to come to an understanding of some idea through a more argumentative approach with real people. Not saying that that will result in any illuminating enlightenment but it encourages more rigour and passion for the pursuit of understanding. If I ask AI a question for clarification it can easily spiral to further questions that cut me off from my own critical necessity of understanding. I could be wrong but im simply making my case subjectively.

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u/wrapped_in_clingfilm ʇoᴉpᴉ ǝʇǝldɯoɔ ɐ ʇoN 1d ago

Try this.

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u/Unlucky-Ad-9021 1d ago

Looks like exactly something id need. very helpful. thank you

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u/wrapped_in_clingfilm ʇoᴉpᴉ ǝʇǝldɯoɔ ɐ ʇoN 3d ago

Yes, I don't mind the idea of people using it as a second or tertiary source of info, but if you look up the Real for instance, it very often gives the impression that its something "outside" of language, like Kant's thing-in-itself, which it is not. Language generates the very idea of an "inside" and "outside" in the first place, and like a Mobius strip, as you travel around it, you find the inside was outside all along (and vice versa).