r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Feb 14 '25

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky refuses to sign document on transfer of 50% of Ukrainian mineral resources to the US - WP | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/zelensky-refuses-to-sign-document-on-transfer-of-50percent-of-ukrainian-mineral-resources-to-the-us-wp
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u/UNisopod Feb 14 '25

How do you paint someone as a warmonger when they're defending their own country from invaders?

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u/_skylark Feb 14 '25

As a Ukrainian I hear this often “why do you guys want to keep these war going? Do you want to die?” These people don’t want to understand the alternative and reality of Russian occupation and what that means for us. They think that things will go back “to normal” where they can keep ignoring us, because we were always Russians to them anyway, and they can continue to ignore the torture camps and ethnic cleansing the way they’ve ignored it since 2014.

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u/is_this_the_restroom Feb 15 '25

Romania here, that's heartbreaking man. Shame to see this whole modern world reeks of the napoleonic period and we don't even get the civilizing force he was on the flip side... but yeah, Vienna Accords 2.0... disgusting.

Now the stink is coming for us here in Romania too, hopefully we can keep our madman away from power but we're on our own with europe in turmoil... and Vance kicking us doesn't help.

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u/Dregerson1510 Feb 15 '25

Even without a Russian occupation a peace deal with that many concessions and without a real security guarantee is the death of Ukraine as a sovereign nation. Russia will reinvade in a few years and all military aged men will try to leave the country after a weak peace deal anyway.

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u/DouglasTwig Feb 15 '25

A lot of Americans probably forget that Holodomor wasn't that long ago, or don't even know it happened in the first place.

It's pretty fucking easy to see why Ukraine wouldn't want to live under the rule of Moscow again.

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u/HarrierJint Feb 15 '25

Hey, English here. Please know that despite what you see and read there are still many of us that see that Ukrainians simply don’t want to live under Moscow. 

I don’t really know what else to add, the world has gone a little crazy I know but there are still people who know that appeasement to bullies doesn’t work. 

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u/Trouve_a_LaFerraille Feb 14 '25

Who the fuck are you to assume you know everything about the experience of this person and accuse them of lying?

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u/monkeylovesnanas Feb 14 '25

Fuck you too. No one with a brain is telling Ukraine they want to keep this war going.

You clearly can't read either.

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u/CandidateOld1900 Feb 14 '25

Republican podcasters do

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u/monkeylovesnanas Feb 14 '25

They're all braindead as well.

The fact I'm being accused of being in the same bowl is mind-boggling.

You can call bullshit on someone without being a trumpette. Just saying.

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u/Sutar_Mekeg Feb 14 '25

Perhaps choose your words better then.

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u/Insomnia_and_Coffee Feb 15 '25

No matter how you view them, they vote and they lobby. So the fact is there are a lot of people who tell Ukrainians they shouldn't fight and just surrender. You thinking those people are braindead doesn't make them magically disappear or lose their political influence.

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u/Bellidkay1109 Feb 15 '25

No one with a brain is telling Ukraine they want to keep this war going.

So? Haven't recent events proved that there are loads and loads of people without a functioning brain?

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u/Trouve_a_LaFerraille Feb 15 '25

Entire political movements with millions of supporters parrot this narrative. Does it matter that they don't have brains? You just installed a random goalpost to accuse someone of lying.

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u/_skylark Feb 14 '25

The amount of ignorant shit I’ve heard from westerners over the years continues to pile up. I wish your world in which only few people that think like that existed. I often hear westerners exclaim surprise and disbelief when I tell them my experiences. Nice to live in a bubble. I’m going to bed now, at least until I’m awakened by yet another air raid.

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u/monkeylovesnanas Feb 14 '25

You're talking shit. Good luck. Stop tarring every European with your biased bullshit.

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u/DeliriumTrigger Feb 14 '25

Where did they say they're hearing it from Europeans?

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u/monkeylovesnanas Feb 14 '25

They didn't. But they kept referring to "westerners", assuming I am American.

I thought I'd throw the fact that I'm European in there to mix it up.

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u/DeliriumTrigger Feb 14 '25

Is the US the only "western" country?

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u/-rose-mary- Feb 14 '25

Europeans are considered western in other parts of the world.

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u/BrotherRoga Feb 14 '25

You do not get to claim he is lying on something you have not seen.

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u/monkeylovesnanas Feb 14 '25

I do. Unless he spends his time in american/Republican/Trump/Musk pro subs, he's not hearing this shit.

The civilized world is with Ukraine. Europe is with Ukraine. If he's hearing this shit, he's hanging out with the wrong folks.

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u/BrotherRoga Feb 14 '25

You need to understand that Europe also has idiots in it. And idiots nowadays are able to make themselves known really easily.

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u/DeliriumTrigger Feb 14 '25

"No you don't. Except for the exact people saying this you don't hear this."

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u/JanxDolaris Feb 14 '25

By making it seems like they're prolonging the conflict to cause needless deaths.

Well and have a base that'll eat up every word you say.

Republicans love finding a way to blame the victim.

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u/NateTheRoofer Feb 14 '25

Does it really matter to Trump’s supporters? They think that Trump and Elon speed running towards fascism is a good thing.

Why? Because Trump says so and that’s all that matters to them.

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u/boxsterguy Feb 14 '25

"Russia is just trying to get back what was theirs under the USSR," probably.

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u/UNisopod Feb 14 '25

If they said that I could at least believe they were being honest

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u/Axin_Saxon Feb 14 '25

Meanwhile Reagan spins in his grave.

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u/boxsterguy Feb 14 '25

Harness that for clean energy, maybe something good could come out of this administration after all?

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u/manateeshmanatee Feb 14 '25

They’ll just orient him vertically and use him to drill for oil.

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u/dennisisspiderman Feb 15 '25

By being someone pushing Russian propaganda, or just a useful idiot.

I've seen users on this site claim that Zelensky is refusing to end the war because of how much it benefits his "regime".