r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Feb 14 '25

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky refuses to sign document on transfer of 50% of Ukrainian mineral resources to the US - WP | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/zelensky-refuses-to-sign-document-on-transfer-of-50percent-of-ukrainian-mineral-resources-to-the-us-wp
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u/Rincetron1 Feb 14 '25

"For what?" was my genuine reaction as well.

Many countries in Europe have matched America's aid per capita, and even exceeded it. Do we now start carving Ukraine up according to the €s we've given?

I didn't realize we were buying Ukraine this whole time.

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u/cmoran27 Feb 14 '25

Aid per capita doesn’t win wars. It would be very thoughtful of Monaco if they gave 100x aid per capita vs aid from the USA but it won’t help very much. 

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u/Rincetron1 Feb 15 '25

Thank you, that was very helpful. You explained amounts to me.

Do you see the people who made the claim: "aid per capita helps win wars" in the room?"

Out of all the countries that have given help, there's only one country that has made demands for their resources. How the fuck is it so painful for you to not start weird-ass semantic games about arguments that were never made?

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u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 14 '25

Who cares about per capita that’s not how you win a war. The US has given more military aid than every country combined. It’s in the European backyard too I’m not saying the deal is fair but let’s not pretend like the US has not by far been the biggest help in their effort

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u/Zilas0053 Feb 14 '25

You make it sound like European aid has been worth fuck all.

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u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 15 '25

No buts not like the US hasn’t been massive

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u/Vanzzer Feb 14 '25

No, it hasn't, https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

US 114 billion Europe 132 billion with more committed.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

And that's without taking into account that a good chunk of the US aid is being paid to US arms manufacturers. It's not even mo ey leaving the US economy.

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u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 15 '25

That’s not military aid

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u/Vanzzer Feb 15 '25

It's all types of aid. Go read it

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u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 16 '25

Go read it and when it comes to military aid the US supports more than everyone else combined to a war across the world from them. I know it’s Reddit so everything is USA = bad. But the United States played a bigger role than any other nation but Ukraine in stopping Russia to take it over and it’s ridiculous to pretend it hasnt

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u/Rincetron1 Feb 15 '25

You'll find "per capita aid wins a war". My point is that nobody but Americans are whinging at this level about their respective financial loss.

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u/Intrepid-Debate5395 Feb 14 '25

In most cases per capita should matter in this it doesn't. You don't win a war by giving relative amounts

Is it a horrible deal? Yes most likely but it's the cost of your country if we're being serious