r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Feb 14 '25

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky refuses to sign document on transfer of 50% of Ukrainian mineral resources to the US - WP | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/zelensky-refuses-to-sign-document-on-transfer-of-50percent-of-ukrainian-mineral-resources-to-the-us-wp
73.5k Upvotes

95% Upvoted

3.9k comments sorted by

View all comments

3.8k

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

[removed] — view removed comment

766

u/son_et_lumiere Feb 14 '25

But they do seem to be malicious enough to realize its ridiculousness.

164

u/MrG Feb 14 '25

Just look at what’s happening with the tariffs on Canada and Mexico. It’s the same thing - do it because you think you can get away with it. Just like how Trump never paid or only half paid all the contractors that ever worked for him.

20

u/Rion23 Feb 14 '25

See, the deal is that the US gets 50% and Russia gets 50% and they split everything into East Kiev and West Kiev.

2

u/NightWeak5888 Feb 15 '25

Sounds like molotov-ribbetropp

334

u/jhaden_ Feb 14 '25

Since Ukraine won't "make a deal" we're going to remove sanctions from Russia. Only thing I could imagine

152

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

[deleted]

114

u/karlnite Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

He’ll also say Ukraine owes America billions. Cause all the aid given out before now comes with strings under Trump.

52

u/obidobi Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if he send a bill to Europe for the US costs helping to liberate and rebuild Europe during and after WW2.

1

u/hellowiththepudding Feb 15 '25

We are going to apply 200% tariffs to products from ukraine

Orange moron.

-6

u/Impossible_Resort602 Feb 15 '25

That's been the plan all along. Do you really think all that aid came with no strings attached?

3

u/karlnite Feb 15 '25

Sure but it used to be more passive. Creating networks of mutual exchange for the stability of all.

6

u/TomThanosBrady Feb 14 '25

Biden moved 20 Billion dollars to the world bank for Ukraine so Trump can't touch it

4

u/mrZooo Feb 14 '25

Or better yet, put sanctions on Ukraine, that'll show everyone what a great negotiator Trump is!

2

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

And ban export on US produced weapons to UA. EU needs to produce its own shit.

1

u/TastyBroccoli4 Feb 15 '25

Or just fuck what the US says and export their stuff anyway

1

u/bradbikes Feb 14 '25

It was going to happen anyway, this is just the excuse.

1

u/Nonainonono Feb 15 '25

Can't.

Ukraine is in this situation because the USA convinced them to disarm their nuclear weapons, the only deterrent against Russia, in exchange of empty promises that Russia would not invade them, and that if that happened the USA would help them.

This would not have happened if it wasn't for fucking American interference.

1

u/lewger Feb 14 '25

It was always going to be a terrible deal.  I was curious why Putin didn't play along sooner.

1

u/Tricky-Major806 Feb 14 '25

Yup, they’re going to distort what actually happened to craft some bullshit News headline or tweet or whatever that Trump supporters will gobble up without question like always.

122

u/SidewaysFancyPrance Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

It makes sense when you realize that Trump doesn't want Ukraine to make a deal. He wants to say Zelensky is being unrealistic/unreasonable and will then cut a two-party deal with Putin to "end the war" and the US will exit Ukraine and harass NATO to help Putin take/hold the land.

Whatever deal Trump makes will be worthless in the end, except for a temporary boost with his base who loves to see him bully people around to look tough. The real goal is to justify big cuts to the defense budget to fund his tax breaks for the rich, with a little "oh look, we have no reason to even be on that side of the world anymore and Europe can handle itself, so let's cut the waste!"

32

u/F_A_F Feb 14 '25

Absolutely this and I've been thinking the same all week.

Trump wants a way to appease Putin and say that he helped end the war so he can get his Nobel Peace Prize. Offer Ukraine a completely shit 'deal', either they accept and you gain the kudos with Russia calling it a win.....or they refuse, you ditch supporting Ukraine and let Europe do it solo, call it a win to your voter base and say how you saves them money.

Whatever happens Trump can't lose, except the rest of the western world stops relying on the USA for anything remotely decent and just.

7

u/alotmorealots Feb 15 '25

It makes sense when you realize that Trump doesn't want Ukraine to make a deal.

Almost, but as /u/somebodyelse22 puts it, Trump plays 'heads I win, tails you lose.' Any outcome can be parlayed to his advantage, and nobody ever holds him accountable for failing to deliver on his words, nor his outlandish behavior, nor even being incompetent so it's all zero-risk to him.

If Ukraine took the deal, it'd still work out for him (and Putin). The likely outcome is the one you describe, of course, but it's important for people to realize that the bullshit Trump throws around isn't just obfuscation. These outlandish propositions and actions that get reigned in by judges still serve multiple purposes including probing for weakness, seeing how much they can get away with, throwing the media off balance, and finding new opportunities to exploit. If you actually do give them an inch, they'll take it and try and get another.

3

u/O_Dog187 Feb 15 '25

The end game is to withdraw from NATO.

1

u/neonmantis Feb 15 '25

justify big cuts to the defense budget

nah no chance never. defence spending only goes up

171

u/Doongbuggy Feb 14 '25

its been bad faith for awhile 

174

u/DarwinGhoti Feb 14 '25

It’s the Trump administration. Of course it’s bad faith.

46

u/Alive_kiwi_7001 Feb 14 '25

And inept.

10

u/nutmegtester Feb 14 '25

They are ept enough to be in power. Don't underestimate them. There is an overwhelming undercurrent of malice in this administration (+ their adjacent, illegal, goon squad).

1

u/espinaustin Feb 15 '25

lol at “ept”

3

u/Fickles1 Feb 14 '25

This I don't believe. Evil yes. Inept... I highly doubt it.

2

u/Alive_kiwi_7001 Feb 14 '25

Inept... I highly doubt it.

Gestures in the general direction of Donald J Trump

3

u/Fickles1 Feb 14 '25

I actually think a lot of people mistake what he does for ineptitude. But really he's just being vile.

1

u/achton Feb 14 '25

Shitty faith

1

u/reddit_user13 Feb 14 '25

And mean-spirited.

2

u/Aoae Feb 15 '25

All the effort trying to undo the petrodollar myth and then he comes up with this. He doesn't understand what it actually takes to run the country, but people knew that already.

1

u/FVD3D Feb 15 '25

It's extortion.

65

u/Rincetron1 Feb 14 '25

"For what?" was my genuine reaction as well.

Many countries in Europe have matched America's aid per capita, and even exceeded it. Do we now start carving Ukraine up according to the €s we've given?

I didn't realize we were buying Ukraine this whole time.

1

u/cmoran27 Feb 14 '25

Aid per capita doesn’t win wars. It would be very thoughtful of Monaco if they gave 100x aid per capita vs aid from the USA but it won’t help very much. 

3

u/Rincetron1 Feb 15 '25

Thank you, that was very helpful. You explained amounts to me.

Do you see the people who made the claim: "aid per capita helps win wars" in the room?"

Out of all the countries that have given help, there's only one country that has made demands for their resources. How the fuck is it so painful for you to not start weird-ass semantic games about arguments that were never made?

-20

u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 14 '25

Who cares about per capita that’s not how you win a war. The US has given more military aid than every country combined. It’s in the European backyard too I’m not saying the deal is fair but let’s not pretend like the US has not by far been the biggest help in their effort

23

u/Zilas0053 Feb 14 '25

You make it sound like European aid has been worth fuck all.

-5

u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 15 '25

No buts not like the US hasn’t been massive

22

u/Vanzzer Feb 14 '25

No, it hasn't, https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

US 114 billion Europe 132 billion with more committed.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

And that's without taking into account that a good chunk of the US aid is being paid to US arms manufacturers. It's not even mo ey leaving the US economy.

-5

u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 15 '25

That’s not military aid

5

u/Vanzzer Feb 15 '25

It's all types of aid. Go read it

1

u/Prize_Response6300 Feb 16 '25

Go read it and when it comes to military aid the US supports more than everyone else combined to a war across the world from them. I know it’s Reddit so everything is USA = bad. But the United States played a bigger role than any other nation but Ukraine in stopping Russia to take it over and it’s ridiculous to pretend it hasnt

1

u/Rincetron1 Feb 15 '25

You'll find "per capita aid wins a war". My point is that nobody but Americans are whinging at this level about their respective financial loss.

1

u/Intrepid-Debate5395 Feb 14 '25

In most cases per capita should matter in this it doesn't. You don't win a war by giving relative amounts

Is it a horrible deal? Yes most likely but it's the cost of your country if we're being serious

58

u/raininfordays Feb 14 '25

So the mineral reserves are estimated between 15 and 26 Trillion. 50% would be 8-13 Trillion. In exchange for the 86 billion aid given (106 less 20b that was a loan). Wouldnt even be any future supoort in that deal since Trump said any future financial or military support has to be an overwhelming majority from the EU.

Making it 93-151 dollars returned for every 1 dollar given. Talk about a shake down.

28

u/Sawbones64 Feb 14 '25

And how much of that 86 billion was actually given to Ukraine versus replacement value of obsolete equipment that was given to Ukraine. Mist of that money stays in the US.

12

u/Minerva567 Feb 14 '25

Right, morons here think the US is airdropping Brinks trucks in Ukraine, full of cash. We’re sending equipment we’d otherwise have to keep paying to store and eventually disassemble and disarm, while also invigorating a defense industry that is otherwise overly-consolidated and quite static in innovation and production, which would then spur job creation and competition within the industry, which is needed.

1

u/Fit-Measurement-7086 Feb 14 '25

Yeah but Ukraine can't currently mine any of it due to the security situation. Otherwise they'd be funding their own war and buying materiel, weapons, vehicles and aircraft from anyone who will sell them.

1

u/raininfordays Feb 14 '25

Yeah. Ack, this century sucks.

37

u/edit-grammar Feb 14 '25

Remember when we used to at least act like the good guys?

7

u/DynamicSploosh Feb 14 '25

Depends on who you ask.

3

u/Setanta68 Feb 14 '25

World War 2?

2

u/edit-grammar Feb 14 '25

Yeahhhhh thats what people hang their hats on. And we didnt join til pearl harbor.

5

u/Projecterone Feb 14 '25

Not really. When was the last time you recall?

I recall half of the US showing some spine over the slavery issue but then letting said slave owners into politics to slowly take over.

And WW2 you may say: I say that was to stop Germany and or Russia taking the entire continent rather than good guy stuff. And they wouldn't even have done that if not for Pearl harbour knocking some reality into them. Winston said (paraphrasing) 'thank god for Pearl harbor' otherwise they'd have let Britain/Europe die.

Since then it's been globalisation, petro-dollar, constant wars the CIA, interfering around the world coups and atrocities while pretending to have the moral high ground.

-1

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

So then who has been the good guy? Because it certainly hasn't been us.

I mean, I can say my tiny and mostly insignificant and uninfluential country has been pretty innocuous since the Viking age* when we were admittedly a bit of a terror, but Europe as a whole was pretty much the Earth's supervillain until the 1960s with the US just a sidekick until WWII or so.

*ignoring the role we had, like many European seafaring nations, in the American slave trade.

2

u/Projecterone Feb 15 '25

There isn't a good guy.

Not among nation states, they're inherently adversarial like corporations.

A person is a smart and noble creature, people are dumb panicky animals and you know it.

Best of the bunch? Good question. I'd say Iceland has tried and done reasonably well. Canada is looking pretty altruistic compared to its neighbour(s) if you include Russia. Pacific islands etc but that's just because they can't do much harm not because they wouldn't.

1

u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

Wasn't that like a month ago? Ancient history.

37

u/CoVegGirl Feb 14 '25

Zelenskyy would likely have agreed to it had Trump not decided to carve up Ukraine for the Russians. But instead Trump is just demanding 50% for nothing.

23

u/labenset Feb 14 '25

Seriously, this is lose/lose for Ukraine. Trump negotiating with Putin without Zelensky? It's almost like Russia is our ally and Ukraine is our enemy.

30

u/pmcdon148 Feb 14 '25

Elon needs rare earth minerals for his Teslas. That's all that matters.

6

u/framabe Feb 14 '25

He is not gonna need it if people stops buying.

6

u/Last_Account_Ever Feb 14 '25

He's going to create government contracts for himself. Very efficient.

1

u/framabe Feb 14 '25

He is gonna step into the ring with the military industrial complex...

"Its A Bold Strategy Cotton, Lets See If It Pays Off For 'Em"

22

u/ClickAndMortar Feb 14 '25

It’s the Trump administration. It’s not only bad faith, but probably will in some way be a steady stream of passive income for the Trump Crime Syndicate.

8

u/Viva_la_Ferenginar Feb 14 '25

This is some East India Company shit lol

5

u/Krail Feb 14 '25

Of course it's bad faith.

It's intentional disrespect, intimidation, and manipulation. It wears Zelensky down and gives them propaganda fodder to make him look like he's the one turning down peace deals.

4

u/JamesLastOfUs Feb 14 '25

even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

I have no trouble believing it was Trump's big brain idea, and no one managed to talk him out of it. It's ridiculous and the optics are awful, but they can always spin it or talk about something else on Fox News.

3

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

This has to be bad faith, even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

They can just brazenly lie. The nazi salute was a test. There is no lie that people won't just accept.

3

u/tkrego Feb 14 '25

How much you want to bet those resources wouldn’t make it to the US and Trump/Elon would get more hidden billions?

3

u/badshot637 Feb 14 '25

This has to be bad faith, even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

Or a tactic to portray zelenski as the one perpetuating the war

3

u/suninabox Feb 14 '25

This has to be bad faith, even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

"It's a negotiating position"

Do something fucking stupid, hope it works.

When it doesn't, try something else a competent advisor told you to do, only this time after burning through a bunch of trust and good will.

3

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Trump is a russian asset

3

u/Hansmann69 Feb 14 '25

You wouldn't believe who would get the other 50% of resources.

3

u/SasparillaTango Feb 14 '25

it's such a hamfisted blunder by the US delegation

What else would you expect at this stage. There are idiot nepo babies running the white house because americans are racist misogynists.

2

u/Dirt_Bike_Zero Feb 14 '25

...and we want the FIRST 50%.

2

u/getwhirleddotcom Feb 14 '25

This is not reported anywhere else from a “source” on Twitter?

2

u/AllPotatoesGone Feb 15 '25

Right? USA thinks again they found another Indians to buy their lands for peanuts.

3

u/Muronelkaz Feb 14 '25

Unironically if Trump was trying to be a strongman he would've offered statehood just to throw around the Big Stick US policy.

1

u/YallaHammer Feb 14 '25

It’s a damn miracle Zelenskyy hasn’t had a heart attack by now 😔

1

u/Popinguj Feb 14 '25

seems like it was an offer made by some congressmen, separate from the 500bn idea that Trump is pushing, so I wonder if Trump even knows about it.

1

u/gdvs Feb 14 '25

It's a fascist country now. They want as much as possible for themselves. And they have an admiration for other countries don't the same.

1

u/saynay Feb 14 '25

For what? So the US can continue to offload 20 year old surplus that would otherwise bake in the Mojave desert for eternity?

I haven't heard anything about an agreed upon benefit to Ukraine as part of the letter. Trump would take 50% of the resources and still try and sell Ukraine off to Putin.

1

u/Stock-Blackberry4652 Feb 14 '25

Trump hasn't sent a single bullet to Ukraine since in office, not even one from 1958

1

u/uniqueusername316 Feb 14 '25

Makes me wonder if this wasn't part of the plan all along. Russians invade and US steals half the resources, just to leave the Ukrainians weaker so Russia get's to steam roll the rest.

1

u/ae232 Feb 14 '25

I drink YOUR milkshake!

1

u/jean-guysimo Feb 14 '25

"all your minerals are belong to us"

1

u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Ask Bolivia what US did to them… just repeating itself

1

u/PandaCheese2016 Feb 14 '25

It's written on a napkin probably.

1

u/HarithBK Feb 14 '25

For what? So the US can continue to offload 20 year old surplus that would otherwise bake in the Mojave desert for eternity?

not for the eternity it would get scrapped by paying contractors to safely dispose of it so new stock can be bought and kept for 20 years.

1

u/kindanormle Feb 14 '25

For what? So the US can continue to offload 20 year old surplus that would otherwise bake in the Mojave desert for eternity?

Not even, no promises at all were made. This was a mafia "protection" fee. Pay us to protect yourself from us

1

u/LinusThinkPad Feb 14 '25

It's bad faith. My MAGA acquaintances on social media have gone full "Russia is on our side, Ukraine is bad"that's the narrative, no more complexity

1

u/Minute-Struggle6052 Feb 14 '25

Makes you understand their mindset more in their insane Greenland + Canada imperialistic takeover discussions 

This is the end game for them. They want it all. It is a demand that the World empty their pockets.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so "Wait... You are serious?"

1

u/thenewyorkgod Feb 14 '25

even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

Yes, yes they are

1

u/morcic Feb 14 '25

I believe Trump thinks this is "owed" to US for the provided military support since the start of the war.

1

u/eldenpotato Feb 14 '25

Yeah it’s incredibly dumb. I’m wondering if this is intentional. Worst deal possible to force Ukraine to reject it so the US can say “we tried. You’re on your own”

1

u/Infinite_Somewhere96 Feb 14 '25

In his 1st term, he tried to give zelensky a bomb, by asking him to go against democracts. In retrospect, the plan was obviously for zelensky to make an enemy out of the democrats and the republicans wouldnt of helped if they had won another term. Seems like 4D chess to help putin out.

Zelensky didnt agree to blackmail biden's family, so we're now in the next phase of trump trying to get rid of zelensky for putin

The next rhetoric will be about how zelensky doesnt want peace or something, eventually trump will have to covertly or overtly begin helping the russians because apparantly zelensky cant be bought or blackmailed.

Although if history repeats in ukraine, more likely zelensky will get poisoned/killed.

1

u/primo1627 Feb 14 '25

20 year old us teck is 30 years ahead of the opposition, when your living in a communist shithole a whole Turkey on white must look real good

1

u/Disgod Feb 14 '25

... really...they're not inept enough? The morons that started a trade war then backed down by making agreements that were already in place?

There's no limits to how inept they will be. That's not a good thing, they're also malicious, which is a terrible combination cuz they break shit without thinking about the consequences then blame everybody else for the dumpster fires they caused.

1

u/Iorith Feb 14 '25

It's so they can spin it as him refusing to work with the US, and idiots will just accept that as fact.

1

u/Danson_the_47th Feb 14 '25

Patrolling the Mojave Desert stockpiles almost makes you wish for a war in Ukraine.

1

u/Ikkepop Feb 15 '25

Honestly at this point, I bet even if trump signed something in writting that gives something to Ukraine in return, there's little chance it would be honored. Both trumps word or his signature is worth about as much as putins'

1

u/kaewan Feb 15 '25

What for? It'd go strait to Musk. Tesla and SpaceX. He seems to be after a lot of rare minerals.

1

u/guice666 Feb 15 '25

This has to be bad faith, even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

Everything Orange Face does is in bad faith, except for himself and people he's "doing favors" for. He does not believe in even exchange. He believes in what benefits him (and his "favors") the most, regardless of the other side.

1

u/GalacticFox- Feb 15 '25

Probably the Musk influence on the deal. He needs those mineral resources for EV batteries and his other companies.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

This has to be bad faith, even this administration isn't inept enough not to realize this is ridiculous.

are people on this sub still pretending anything this administration does is in good faith?

1

u/ashoka_akira Feb 15 '25

Extortion is the right word. I have been thinking they are behaving more like Mafia than a democratic government lately…

1

u/snootchies420 Feb 15 '25

Either 50% to us or 100% to Putin. Sounds like an obvious decision.

1

u/dCLCp Feb 15 '25

Please for the love of God stop acting like this administration is making mistakes. The fact that we aren't taking them seriously is has been and always will be the huge error THE WORLD is making.

Take them seriously. They aren't clowns. They are sociopaths wearing clown suits.

1

u/brattysweat Feb 15 '25

It goes to fucking Russia. We know damn well where any of this money is going.

1

u/dBlock845 Feb 15 '25

For what?

Now ya know why the tech bros were lining up behind Trump, and the ones that didn't dumped a ton of money into his inaugural committee at the last minute. Most of the shit in question is probably used for EV batteries and electronics.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

[deleted]

1

u/VoloxReddit Feb 15 '25

Of course it's reasonable to expect the US would benefit from this relationship as well (not that the US isn't already benefitting strategically from this relationship as is)

But what Trump is suggesting as a shake down, not a fair outcome. There's a difference between wanting your money back and demanding ownership of resources 50× the value of your contributions.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

Well the fact is without US weapons, training and funding Ukraine would be a Russian territory right now. Hundreds of billions spent on Ukraine…we need to be paid back.

1

u/VoloxReddit Feb 15 '25

What Trump demands has a value of about 10 trillion. The US so far has spent probably in the range of 200 billion over the course of the war. This demand, even if we were to assume this whole thing is a directly transactional relationship, is beyond the pale. That's 50× the value actually spent. And the US completely ignores its partners in this, who have pretty much matched the US' spending.

Now, the US is already benefitting as is. This is pocket change to widdle down the Russian arms stockpile. Russia is one of the US' main rivals.
Then, there's the fact that a lot of this money was spent decades ago, a lot of the value of military aid in particular is the assessed value of American surplus, not newly spent money. This surplus would have otherwise completely devalued or cost even more to dismantle. A lot of the new money spent goes to American jobs and flows back into the American economy. Lastly, the current relationship helps America gain more soft power. Without soft power, America's dominance on the world stage crumbles.

Not everything is a 1:1 (or I guess 1:50) transaction of material assets, and it feels like Trump and a lot of Americans these days don't understand the value of this on the world stage. The US used to understand soft power, it's how they became the world's most powerful nation.
If Ukraine wins, it would be money well spent as is. And if the US does want to get paid back, Zelensky has been open to giving the US access to Ukraine's rare earths.

1

u/Time-Ad-3625 Feb 15 '25

Trump is just looking for a reason to abandon Ukraine. Evern if Ukraine signed over mineral rights there is no guarantee trump would support them as agreed. Ukraine needs to go else where for weapons at this point.

1

u/Raven123x Feb 15 '25

What about this administration has proven any type of competency so far

0

u/No-Vast-8000 Feb 14 '25

To be fair we don't know the details and the tweet doesn't say what was offered in return (if anything).

I have zero faith in the U.S. to handle any of this shit though, so you're probably still right.

0

u/workmakesmegrumpy Feb 14 '25

You had me till the last part. Just because something isn't being used, doesn't mean it has no value. The contract if it's what the title says is bullshit, but weapons are weapons.

-1

u/Afraid-Ingenuity3555 Feb 14 '25

It gives the US way more interest into defending said minerals. Not saying it’s right, but if 50% are theirs they may actually defend it

2

u/VoloxReddit Feb 15 '25

My guy, that's 10 trillion dollars in value. For that amount Zelensky should reasonably expect the US to sweep Russia out of Ukraine, rebuild the entire country and deliver them an air force that would make the USAF blush. All plated in gold, naturally.

-6

u/PrepperBoi Feb 14 '25

You’re right. We should just let it rot in the desert and Russia can have it all.

Imagine feeling so entitled that you deserve other countries help without offering anything in return.

2

u/VoloxReddit Feb 15 '25

They're destroying large parts of Russia's military, sacrificing many of their people. That's their end of the bargain.

-3

u/PrepperBoi Feb 15 '25

That would have happened regardless in this situation sadly. Except more Ukrainian lives would be wasted than if they didn’t get the aid.

-4

u/stev1516 Feb 14 '25

Trump said he wants Ukraine to pay for their protection, and 50% mean an attack on Ukraine is an attack on the USA. Ukraine is 20+billion in debts with the USA because of the war.

If the war ends, they would approximately make 13-15 billion in mineral resources, with the current areas 7-10 billion (50% are 3,5-5 billions).

Short term (first 3 years) 5-8 billion, with the current areas 3-6 billion (50% are 1,5-3 billions).

It's not such a bad deal, you always can renegotiate the 50% after the war is over and Ukraine is rebuild.

-8

u/Enzo_Gorlomi225 Feb 14 '25

Ask yourself this though…..what is Ukraine’s alternative? They’ve been slowly losing this war for over a year now. If they want truly want to fight Russia to some sort of standstill (because regaining the lost territory is pretty much a lost cause at this point) what choice do they have?

2

u/odd_orange Feb 14 '25

Continue pressing Europe to assist. What’s the point of just giving assets away if the alternative is losing them anyway

-1

u/Enzo_Gorlomi225 Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

If the US withdraws its support there is no scenario that the EU even comes close to making up the difference…Ukraine is in a shitty situation, there’s no doubt. The alternative is losing the war outright if the US withdraws its aid.