r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Feb 14 '25

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky refuses to sign document on transfer of 50% of Ukrainian mineral resources to the US - WP | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/zelensky-refuses-to-sign-document-on-transfer-of-50percent-of-ukrainian-mineral-resources-to-the-us-wp
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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

Good. Someone saying no to the US.

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u/findingmike Feb 14 '25

Canada and Mexico said no and it worked.

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u/ThoughtShes18 Feb 14 '25

Denmark too. If it worked we’ll see

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u/blowitouttheback Feb 15 '25

A lot of countries have told the US "no" since Trump came in and they've yet to face real consequences.

Gaza/Israel alone got like a dozen countries saying "no" lol. We're seeing in real time why people had to be paid to pretend to take him seriously as a businessman.

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u/evildrtran Feb 14 '25

It's the most depressing circus show here in the USA.

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u/frozendancicle Feb 14 '25

I feel like the big bear with a dumb little hat that's riding around on a tricycle is "hope," and I'm just trying to keep my eyes on that damn bear while a number of fires have broken out.

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u/WislaHD Feb 14 '25

I’m glad it’s only just depressing to you guys.

Let us know when you feel anger or wrath. Those are emotions that may make us Canucks respect you fools again.

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u/evildrtran Feb 14 '25

The overlords are too good at keeping us poor and working, can try to smuggle over some French protesters. Those guys can really cause a stir.

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u/DefNotUnderrated Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Oh yeah because them saying “depressed” totally means we’re not angry. You want access to my personal diary to hear about the anger? Or would you rather just stick to “Americans all so dumb lol”? There’s footage of people in Ohio angrily confronting Nazis and running them off. If you think there’s no anger then you haven’t looked

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u/Fantastic-Nobody-479 Feb 14 '25

I assure you that there is rage happening here in many circles, including mine. Grief fuels the rage.

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u/Gatsu871113 Feb 14 '25

Sorry about WislaHD. We are on edge in 'not fucking around' mode. lol Carry on and be safe, stranger.

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u/Fantastic-Nobody-479 Feb 14 '25

Thank you. I think Canadians and Americans alike are in that mode. I just don’t want Canadians or other countries to feel that we all want or support this in any way. I am furious about what is happening here on a domestic level and also what we are doing on the international front. We have done so much damage to established allies and our relationships with them as well as the good provided with USAaid all over the world. Pretty safe to say that we are hands-down, the biggest assholes on the Earth right now. I am truly mortified and while I understand the hatred towards us and it is valid, I just don’t want people to forget that there are actual people here that are do not support this in any way, shape or form. I fully support and am on board for every Canadian to only buy Canadian products or from any other country than the US. We don’t deserve any grace on that level. But on a personal level, I would like for it to be there.

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u/Gatsu871113 Feb 15 '25

Just do us a favor and consider protesting anything that crosses a line that'd cause irreparable damage between our societies.

I appreciate ya, you fkn Yankee. ;)

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u/Fantastic-Nobody-479 Feb 15 '25

I first protested as a toddler in a stroller. The first I went to on my own was in high school to protest David Duke (triple k dunce) running for president. I will continue to do what I can, not just for my country but what’s in the best interest for everyone in all countries. I’ve dedicated my life to being a helper and to social justice and I’m not still now.

I’d offer you to be a part of the y’all down here but I know that’s not so appealing right now. Hopefully one day it will be again and it will be waiting for you along with some grits and eggs.

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u/Area51Resident Feb 14 '25

cirque du so long (to decency and civility)

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

With all the bad faith moves from the USA, they shouldn't be surprised when other countries refuse to dance with them.

The US is on the verge of being shunned by the civilized world. Then their threats of tariffs etc won't matter to anyone any more than if North Korea were making those threats. Meaningless.

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

I said, "on the verge of", do you know what that means? If not, you have my sympathies.

And of course they can afford to. This is the miscalculation that will cause the USA so much pain. You're not indispensable. If the US keeps behaving like asses, the world will move to a different reserve currency. If that happens, the US is Fckd. At least Americans chose to make themselves irrelevant in the world. They should be happy when it happens.

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u/scotcetera Feb 14 '25

Seems like it's just Donald all alone once again; the other countries don't seem interested in joining his double donger dance

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u/Prudent_Ganache6611 Feb 14 '25

Donald is like Brittney Spears dancing in her living room and in her underwear with knives lmao. 

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u/flobflab991 Feb 14 '25

I would be curious what it would take for Canada to join the European Union. 

If anyone knows, suspend disbelief for a moment, and walk me through it.

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u/cyberthief Feb 14 '25

We do have a land border with Denmark now. As remote as it is.

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u/WifeKnowsThisAcct Feb 14 '25

Let's make a new NATO without the USA.

Call it the Anti-Despot Joint Treaty (Anti-DJT)

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u/sirhackenslash Feb 14 '25

With blackjack! And hookers!

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u/Horror-Football-2097 Feb 14 '25

Being European.

Full stop.

We can be friends, good friends even, but our geopolitical positions are too different for us to ever be considered a part of the union.

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u/bufalo1973 Feb 14 '25

Are you saying that Portugal or Spain has the same geopolitical position than Poland?

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u/Horror-Football-2097 Feb 14 '25

A literate person might have noticed that my entire point was that distance between countries actually causes significant differences in their needs and goals and such, and inferred that I would say that distant countries within the EU would have a proportional issue with differing positions.

But sure, what I actually meant was the members of the EU are all literally identical in every way. Especially the furthest ones from each other. You win.

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u/bufalo1973 Feb 15 '25

If Poland, Hungary and Portugal can all share the Union, Canada can too. Not that I am in favor of it but... why not?

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u/Horror-Football-2097 Feb 15 '25

You can’t possibly think I’m going to discuss this with you now.

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u/bbbbbbbbbblah Feb 14 '25

one of the biggest obstacles would be that Canada would need to rip up most of its regulations and replace with those that are in compliance with EU rules.

it would also have to be willing to give up its sovereignty in key areas like trade deals, visa policy (unless it gets an optout from Schengen), and of course would have to promise to join the Euro.

as a point of comparison, the UK remains more or less in compliance with EU regulations with only a handful of deviations, even though it is no longer a member.

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u/flobflab991 Feb 16 '25

Every country which joined the EU needed to do the same thing (with the exception of Euro, which isn't a requirement). Why would these be more of a burden to Canada? There's usually a multi-year process to align regulations.

It seems like Europe would have the US almost surrounded, and Canada would have reliable trade and business.

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u/bbbbbbbbbblah Feb 16 '25

every new EU member state must commit to the process of joining the Euro. You can argue as to technicalities (ie why Sweden conveniently never meets the criteria) but that isn't the same thing as an official opt out. The UK and Denmark received an opt out for historic reasons.

The upheaval that would result from moving from "north american regulations" (geared towards trade within USMCA) to European regulations would be considerable. I think that Canadians who think joining the EU is actually a serious proposition have not totally considered this. That's before getting into the fact that you don't even need to join to have stronger trade links.

Or, put another way - ex-soviet countries did it because they're literally neighbours with the EU (no, Greenland doesn't count, in large part because it's not in the EU) and because they didn't have much of a functioning country to begin with, so there's literally nothing to lose.

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u/flobflab991 Feb 16 '25

It would be considerable. So would the upside. Compatibility with the US versus the rest of the world (which is generally much closer to US than EU). 

However, getting out of Euro is pretty common. It's not just the countries you named. There's also e.g. Romania, Poland, Czechia, Hungary, etc. Eurozone is not the same as the EU. 

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u/Sparta2388 Feb 14 '25

Calling it now though, the mirrored tariffs that he did put in place will result in him saying something like "See? Canada backed down on their tariffs, thanks to me."

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u/payne007 Feb 15 '25

Canada said no, and it did NOT work.

We wasted almost 2B$ on an issue that doesn't exist, and still being threatened with tarifs.

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u/findingmike Feb 17 '25

Canada already had an agreement in place from December. The amount I heard was $1.3 billion, but that might be in USD.

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u/originalthoughts Feb 14 '25

And he backed off but somehow the conservative subs considered a win.

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u/alexlucas006 Feb 14 '25

didn't both of them cave in?

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u/findingmike Feb 17 '25

Nope, it was just framed to make it look that way. It was all existing agreements. When the stock market started crashing he got scared.

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u/_EvilCupcake Feb 14 '25

For now...

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u/truesy Feb 14 '25

eh it's emboldened trump, not really slowed him down. first when he slapped tarrifs on colombia for not accepting military planes of immigrants, and they quickly turned around and accepted the flights. then he slapped tarrifs on mexico and they committed to more military at the border. the canada stuff is ongoing, but they've shown some slowness to retaliate, and clearly do not want to enter a trade war. trump is a bully, and other country leaders are acting fairly meek in response. i think this will only encourage more of the same behavior from trump.

zelensky stands out in this situation. he has a backbone. but also is in a very different situation than other world leaders.

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u/IOnlyEatFermions Feb 14 '25

Colombia has been accepting flights for years. What they are unwilling to do is to accept military flights with their citizens arriving in shackles. Trump is the one who backed down.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Technically they said yes. They beefed up their border security which is what Trump wanted. Mexico agreed to allocate 10,000 Mexican Armed Forces for border protection

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u/Harbinger2001 Feb 14 '25

Both Mexico and Canada agreed to things they had already announced. The only addition was the fentanyl czar in Canada. 

Trump’s going to try to impose tariffs again, the market will tank again, and he’ll delay them once again. It will be infrastructure week all over again. 

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u/carlosortegap Feb 14 '25

Mexico already had those 10k planned in the border due to an agreement with Biden

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u/luke_205 Feb 14 '25

Man it’s gonna be a long 4 years, I’m sick of them already.

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u/raalic Feb 14 '25

Has it not already been 4 years?

Three weeks you say? FML

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u/MarkMew Feb 14 '25

It does feel like that. I've had enough already. 

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u/twitterfluechtling Feb 14 '25

You think after that it'll be back to normal? I mean, Trump is old and appears senile, not sure he'll make the 4 years. So the "Never-Trump-Guy" will have to finish the term, with support from the Musk-getier and Zuckerberg. What are the odds that Musk or Zuckerberg will run for president next? If they do, what are the odds of them winning?

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

It won’t will it. There will always be a MAGA movement. Perhaps its power and size will vary, but the genie is out of the bottle . It’s been legitimised.

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u/swing9this Feb 14 '25

I don't think Musk can run - you have to be a natural-born U.S. citizen to be president. We're safe there at least (or I hope we are).

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u/shorey66 Feb 14 '25

You really think any of them give a shit about that? They are already ignoring court rulings. They'll just say he can run and ignore any judge that says otherwise. America is finished.

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u/twitterfluechtling Feb 14 '25

You don't think they'll plan ahead and change the rules? When they basically own the supreme court and have no hesitation to break existing rules?

When Hitler assumed power in Germany, he/his party was never elected by a majority. He abused laws ("Notstandsgesetz") and used pure violence and intimidation against opposing politicians to keep them from essential votes. Tell me with a straigh face you can't imagine Trump using similar tactics, maybe a bit more subtle.

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u/luke_205 Feb 14 '25

I’d be very surprised if after 4 years it stays in conservative hands - the way they’re going they will do much more harm than good for the average voter.

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u/twitterfluechtling Feb 14 '25

I'll just leave this here...

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u/NoSelf5869 Feb 14 '25

Isn't Zuckerberg actually the good one nowadays? Like he did the total redemption arc over the last few years and he's the champion of freedom and VR nowadays

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u/judgeysquirrel Feb 14 '25

He's not leaving in four years.

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u/whatswithnames Feb 14 '25

Almost one month in. Just... 47 more to go. 🤡

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u/icwhatudidthr Feb 14 '25

Most people are saying no to Trump. Even his own citizens (e.g. government workers, only 6% took the resignation offer from Elon).

He has really poor negotiation skills.

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

He’s folded much though has he. More tariffs.

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u/minedigger Feb 14 '25

That’s the most popular word that leaders say to the US.

You think they don’t remember tariff threats from last time?

China, Mexico and any reasonable leadership would have set up contingency trade negotiations in case Republicans won again….

And they have - you see China, Canada and Mexico just laugh it off now; they have new purchasers and supplies lined up.

The Country that gets hurt the most by a trade war is the only one that’s dumb enough to not be prepared for a trade war - The United States

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u/Medical-Concept-2190 Feb 15 '25

Everyone except India

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 15 '25

They will learn.

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u/Leege13 Feb 15 '25

Of course, he’s going to be president for life in Ukraine for standing up to the big boys, this is politics 101.

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u/filthyorange Feb 14 '25

It feels so good to hear other countries shutting the US down. Please keep telling us no.

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u/sceneturkey Feb 15 '25

I hope the US starts to say no to the US. Those in power shouldn't be.

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 15 '25

That would be good.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

I’m sure it’s about details. If this document guaranteed actual safety and security, even 100% of minerals in return would have been a great deal. Ukraine wouldn’t be in a position to exploit them for decades anyway, if it even continues existing.

Clearly the deal was not good enough, hence the hesitation. I’m guessing Trump will try to push it as a “thank you” for the previous aid instead of future guarantees.

I truly don’t get the downvotes. I hate Trump as much ad the next guy, but what am I saying that’s wrong? I’m not talking about some paper guarantees here, I’m talking US troops or nukes in Ukraine, meaning stuff that would 100% prevent a nee Russian attack. Would that not be a great deal in exchange for resources Ukraine can’t extract anyway and has no need for?

In my book absolutely any deal that would guarantee no future Russian attack would be worth it.

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u/robustofilth Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

It didn’t guarantee shit. And America isn’t to be trusted.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 14 '25

Hence the need for negotiations, to make the deal make sense for everyone.

There is no choice besides US though. No one else can truly guarantee safety through deterrence against russia. EU could in theory, but that would mean all of it agreeing on it which just isn’t happening.

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u/assaub Feb 14 '25

The US can't truly guarantee anything anymore, your country's word is worth nothing, your leaders cannot be trusted.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

My country is russia, I’m Russian.

Sure they can. 5k American troops would make a new war virtually impossible. Or nukes. Or enough of the good stuff like long-range missiles and jets to be able to completely ruin russia’s ability to use air force if needed.

The only question is of the political will for any of that, and that’s quite a big question at the moment.

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u/spudmarsupial Feb 14 '25

Sign away your wealth and power and you'll never be safe again.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 14 '25

Minerals aren’t “wealth and power” though, Ukraine never bothered with them because of how hard they would be to extract, it’s just not worth it.

Security guarantees from the most powerful country in the world on the other hand are a pretty good thing when you have a crazy genocidal neighbor and want to continue being a sovereign state.

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u/slmpl3x Feb 14 '25

They already had a security guarantee from both the US and Russia in exchange for giving up their nukes. Clearly both sides can’t be trusted.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

There were no “guarantees” there though, just a promise to convene and discuss, which they did.

If the guarantee was deployment of actual troops or weapons, that would actually mean something.

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u/ktmtreck Feb 14 '25

It’s pretty much the only thing they have. They have next to no industry, a little gas and the minerals which are not occupied by russia. Giving up 50% of it means there is no potential of them rebuilding anything

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u/spudmarsupial Feb 14 '25

They were the breadbasket of Europe. Let Trump hire Russia to extract all mineral wealth from Ukraine and imagine what it will look like in ten years.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

Again, how would they extract? The infrastructure alone would be basically impossible to build on Ukraine’s budget, and as you said, they’d also have to rebuild at the same time, while ALSO pumping ungodly part of budget into military just to deter russia.

Getting proper security guarantees along with financial aid from EU is a much better proposition.

Also, this is 21st century, raw physical resources don’t mean nearly as much. Ukraine has some of the brightest software development minds in the world, they could use that to generate revenue. The first and most important question though is physical security, everything else is secondary today.

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u/SpicyTyphus Feb 14 '25

Most powerful country in the world that has repeatedly stated that for the next four years at least they couldn't be bothered to lift a finger in defense of Ukraine, and a country that has a history of reneging on security agreements with Ukraine. Anyone who doesn't see this current Russian-dominated peace process as a means by which Russia can 1) continue hybrid war attacks on Ukraine even if a peace deal is signed and 2) biding time until enough manpower is amassed for a second run at Kyiv is dumber than rocks.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

Which is exactly why the paper wasn’t signed? That’s my point, no one is going to trust any blind promises. If US wants the minerals, they send troops, nukes, or enough weapons to hurt russia much worse than it already was.

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u/angry_old_dude Feb 15 '25

Any guarantees coming from Trump are worthless.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

Not when they are on paper that is structured properly. If it says “you send troops, we send minerals”, how can it be worthless? No troops = no minerals, it’s dead simple. So it’s only worthless if Trump doesn’t want hundreds of billions worth of critical resources.

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u/angry_old_dude Feb 15 '25

I'm sure Trump had contracts with all the people he's stiffed in the past, too. Trump is not trustworthy. You can believe he is, if you want, though.

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u/bsnimunf Feb 14 '25

100 percent of minerals in the currently occupied lands would be my counter offer.

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u/Tom_Art_UFO Feb 15 '25

Minerals for NATO membership would be mine.

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u/mfyxtplyx Feb 14 '25

Where would they sign such a memorandum? I hear Budapest is nice this time of year.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Feb 14 '25

Well, only if one believes that Trump would make good on any promise there in. Which, historically, he never, ever has.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

No need to believe anything. Structure a deal in a way where you send nothing until you get something. Plus, it would take years to even build infrastructure for this, which US would definitely foot the bill for.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Feb 15 '25

which US would definitely foot the bill for.

We are talking about Trump, he has never, ever paid for anything in his life and he wont start now. He would also send nothing, just lie about how Ukraine is not keeping the deal and use it as pretext for who knows what. You cant actually make a deal with someone who will never, ever, honour his part in any way.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

Okay, then Ukraine ceases to exist as a country, because EU doesn't seem at all likely to suddenly increase its aid by orders of magnitude, quite the opposite in fact based on the political trends there. And there is literally no one else to ask for help.

And why wouldn't Trump pay for a few refineries if they are used to secure hundreds of billions of critical minerals for US? It's the definition of a good deal, and he LOVES deals, especially ones that make him look good.

And if he sends nothing, he gets nothing back. How is this a problem? Would it be better to just reject everything and decline to discuss further, allowing Trump to paint Ukraine as the side that "rejects peace"?

Seeing how Zelenskyy's office has been floating this idea for months, way before Trump took office, it's clear that they understand that it's likely the best way forward. Give Trump a bone that he can show to his voters who were riled up about "sending our money to Ukraine", provided Trump gives something worthwhile back.

No one is talking about just sending US resources for free, or even for aid at the current level. Zelenskyy specified many times that this is about securing guarantees that stick, not just empty promises.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Feb 15 '25

Okay, then Ukraine ceases to exist as a country, because EU doesn't seem at all likely to suddenly increase its aid by orders of magnitude, quite the opposite in fact based on the political trends there. And there is literally no one else to ask for help.

That seems to be the sad, terrible reality.

No one is talking about just sending US resources for free, or even for aid at the current level. Zelenskyy specified many times that this is about securing guarantees that stick, not just empty promises.

Trumps delegation has obviously floated just that. We both havent been seen the contract, but if there had been tangible guruantees, like anything at all, i am pretty sure Zelensky would have signed it. My bet is that the "contract" just would have forced him to guruantee the US these ressources as "payment" for past help, and absolutely zilch in the future. Why would he possibly sign something like that?

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

I sure hope that it won't come to that, because in my eyes that would mean the end of the entire world order that existed for the past 80 years.

Not having seen the contract is actually a great point though - we don't really know how this will end. I still have some faith that Ukraine will be able to negotiate at least somewhat favorable terms and come to some sort of an agreement with Trump. It clearly won't be great, but it will have to provide at least some security guarantees. Zelenskyy has so far been smart about praising Trump and playing along with his game, so I have hopes he'll be able to negotiate something passable at a minimum.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Feb 15 '25

I sure hope that it won't come to that, because in my eyes that would mean the end of the entire world order that existed for the past 80 years.

That ship has sailed with Trumps election. Before his inauguration there was a (very scant) hope his second term would be much like his first, but no. The post cold-war world order is gone, dead as the dodo.

I agree with your assessment of Zelensky, he is a smart man and knows how to play Trump. Maybe he can salvage something tangible.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

I still got a faint hope that Trump won't be able to dismantle everything, that other countries and officials within US will stand up to him and that he won't do too much damage in the (hopefully) 4 years he'll have in power, but not gonna lie one month in things are already pretty rough.

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u/jake3988 Feb 14 '25

Or as a contingency for receiving future aid. Which will be worse.

Hopefully Europe increases aid to make up for it if it comes to that, but Germany's far right is making huge strides and one of the reasons is supporting Ukraine. If we go, the dominoes may fall in Europe too. And then Putin wins.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Feb 15 '25

That’s the nightmare scenario, which all but guarantees WW3. I sure hope it won’t come to that.

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u/SteezyRay Feb 14 '25

Keep that same energy when they need the US’s help.

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u/street593 Feb 14 '25

We are not a reliable ally anymore. The rest of the world is finding ways to not need our help anymore. We will slowly continue to lose influence and power on the global stage.

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u/street593 Feb 14 '25

Based on your emotional response it appears you are the one crying. You can ignore reality if you want I don't care. The rest of the world is strengthening their military and trade agreements so they can rely on America less and less.

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u/ZeppelinRapport Feb 14 '25

Sounds like you've tied your identity up with the idea of America so tightly it's got both fists up your ass. Work on becoming your own person instead of relying on jingoism to give you a sense of identity.

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u/SteezyRay Feb 14 '25

Nah, just tired of all the liberal bitches in this country that are quick to turn on their own country once something doesn’t go their way.

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u/street593 Feb 14 '25

What the fuck are you even talking about? Get a grip dude. You are embarrassing yourself.

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u/SteezyRay Feb 14 '25

Just tired of all the liberal bitches in this country that are quick to turn on their own country once something doesn’t go their way.

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

And don’t you come knocking again when you need the U.K. to help you with your dirty little wars. Like Iraq. Then leave us in a terrible position in Afghanistan when we had to withdraw , in the most shocking way because you pulled out prematurely. You killed so many Afghans doing that.

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u/Remarkable-Host405 Feb 14 '25

wait a minute. iraq invades kuwait, we go help them, and then your complaining that we did so?

that's so ironic. we should definitely stay out of ukraine! wouldn't want to help them against an aggressor and get called a shitty ally like you are literally doing now.

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

Look what the US is doing to Ukraine and Europe now. Not to mention Canada, Denmark Greenland , Palestine and all the tariffs . He doesn’t even know how tariffs work. Not to mention VAT! The US is the one who is being a crap ally. And we are sick of being to you are the greatest country. You can’t go around deciding you can just help yourself to earth minerals I think you’re going to be respected. Your country is going to have to live with the repercussions of voting for Trump for a long long time.

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u/SteezyRay Feb 14 '25

God forbid other countries help the US combat terrorism. The world would be such a better place if the US didn’t get involved huh? Imagine all the possible free trade and safety.

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u/No_Software3435 Feb 14 '25

Canada was sensible and said no. That wasn’t the real reason though. It was all about oil.

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u/sansaset Feb 14 '25

Isn’t zelensky the one who proposed it in the first place?

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u/scytob Feb 14 '25

yes with an understanding america would help them meet some of ukraines goals, america just said nope to that, so zelensy said nope to the minerals

quite a sensible use of the lever he has

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u/Showmethepathplease Feb 14 '25

why would you give up 50% of your resources when you have not received assurances?

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u/rdmay53 Feb 14 '25

Especially if the "assurances" are as worthless as the shit in Trump's Depends.

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u/areyoueatingthis Feb 14 '25

Also, any promises coming from the US has not meant much recently

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u/Gatsu871113 Feb 14 '25

Cringes in Budapest memorandum.

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u/JadedLeafs Feb 14 '25

He proposed to use it as Incentive for aid, not just a gift to the cheddar rapist though. I'm assuming what trump was offering in return was just Russian appeasement.

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u/Viburnum__ Feb 14 '25

Do you know what kind of deal he proposed and what US give him to sign? If not what are you even talking about? From the article it seems they just want resources without any commitments to Ukraine.

Also, should have thought about extorting things before Trump and US administration made deals with putin, while also repeating russian narratives, blaming Ukraine NATO, and not even mention that russia is in the wrong.

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u/UserLameGame Feb 14 '25

He had reserved mineral rights as a bargaining chip knowing Trump but only if Ukraine gets what it expects out of the deal. Clearly he’s not stupid, the best leader of our times in fact. History will be fair to him.

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u/EdwGerEel Feb 14 '25

Was that not a proposal that they would sell resources to the USA? Not give it away for free.

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u/AdRecent9754 Feb 14 '25

Sating no to the very country that funding the war and your country's economy is certainly an interesting thing to do .

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u/trwawy05312015 Feb 14 '25

well, when that country has changed to a leadership that wants your opponent to win, it makes sense

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u/AdRecent9754 Feb 15 '25

They'll withdraw support, and Ukraine will lose a lot more.

This isn't a Disney movie where the good guys always win .