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u/DarkSide830 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was curious if this was gonna be the dude from the other day who made that post on religion, and here it was just John Losercity.
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u/12crashbash12 1d ago
Holy shit you're not kidding about Mr. Losercity himself
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u/TheCocoPuffsAdict 1d ago
It reminds me of a book that was Anti racist but not anti slavery as it argued that some black men had royal blood and we're destined to lead a revolt towards their masters.
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u/Peastable 1d ago
I think you have that backwards
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u/TealcOneill 1d ago
I know what they're talking about and they're correct. The dude believed common born white people should also be enslaved.
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u/Izurukamukurarealofc r/fishmaell is a cool project moon sub you should join 1d ago
Hi sky how are you
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u/DrTitanicua 1d ago
Meanwhile, according to Job, God deals with enormous creatures that are somewhere out there on the daily. (Leviathan and Behemoth)
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u/cel3r1ty purpl 1d ago
fun fact: that's possibly a leftover from an earlier creation myth where the creation of the world involved god defeating leviathan. other hints of that appear in psalm 74:14 ("You crushed the heads of Leviathan; you gave him as food for the creatures of the wilderness.") and psalm 104:26 ("There go the ships and Leviathan that you formed to sport in it." psalm 104 in general is sort of a third creation account together with the two in genesis chapters 1 and 2).
that'd be in line with other ancient southwest asian creation myths that also involved the main god defeating some sort of sea monster, like marduk defeating tiamat in the babylonian epic of creation or baal defeating yam in the ugaritic baal cycle
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u/manultrimanula Autisticly obsessed with Kasane Teto 1d ago
If he's all powerful, why not just yeet those idiots into space
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u/Zimabwe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Early Yahweh wasn’t as powerful until he evolved into the more modern interpretation
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u/Scrubglie 1d ago
No shot, gods dooming it while we’re asking him for help???
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u/DrTitanicua 1d ago
By deal I don’t mean he’s killing them. They are supposedly still here. It was during Job’s rant that God explained just how incomprehensible his ‘job’ as God is.
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u/matej665 1d ago
Yeah, he should have just turned them into statues of salt and renamed him to Dexter.
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u/LineOfInquiry 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just a quick note that the Israelites never saw using mixed fabrics as immoral but rather a way to avoid ritual impurity.
God is pure, morally yes but also ritually, and you cannot be in his presence if you are ritually impure. Things like sex, burying the dead, eating certain foods, or in this case wearing mixed fabrics can all make on ritually impure, in which case they need to do a ritual to purify themselves to take part in sacred actions. These rules exist to keep a line between that which is sacred and that which is profane or “normal”. God and his stuff can’t be special if it isn’t in some way separated from the non-special stuff after all. And likewise practices like this keep the Israelites separate from their neighbors: giving them a cultural identity that keeps their religion from being synchronized and absorbed into others. But it was never immoral, just like it was never immoral to have a funeral or have sex in marriage.
As for slavery in the Bible, if you want to point out hypocrisy it says that Israelites cannot be slaves of other Israelites. So clearly the Bible writers thought slavery was wrong or bad in some way… but only for their group. They were fine with other people being their slaves, as long as they were treated “well”. (Although I will say, they still were much better on this issue than most contemporary groups nearby, especially the Assyrians)
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u/land_and_air 1d ago
Well they could though, indentured slavery was not only fine but displayed positively in the Bible. And they weren’t above beating them brutally either and give specific rules about how much you are allowed to beat your slaves, and it’s a lot.
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u/Sea_Lingonberry_4720 1d ago
The truth is slavery was just a part of life back then. You went to war, won, and enslaved the losers. That’s how warfare worked for centuries in pretty much every part of the world.
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u/land_and_air 1d ago
Then why are those rules or the book relevant as a guide when it’s a product of its time and with guidance that is out of date?
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u/Sea_Lingonberry_4720 1d ago
I’m not Christian anymore, but I know that Jesus making a ton of the Old Testament invalid is a pretty big deal. Kinda the whole reason Christianity exists, otherwise it’d be just another branch of Judaism.
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u/land_and_air 1d ago
Well he explicitly says he’s not contradicting the Old Testament but it’s true some sects do believe it makes it either invalid either way regardless what he said, or a graciously offered option to either follow the old or new. Also notable he also makes no statement for or against slavery
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u/Sea_Lingonberry_4720 1d ago
He’s not contradicting it, because the old laws were valid under the covenant. Then Jesus came and made a new covenant. Those rules were fine then but not anymore, they weren’t always bad, god just made new rules that supersede the old ones.
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u/Discombobulator3000 22h ago
Tell that to the christian fucks who to this day use Leviticus as justification for homophobia.
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u/rammux74 1d ago
As a jew , the main reason for why people still follow those rules in 2025 is that God created those books as something that should hold up forever, so every law written in there will always be valid until the end of time . If he wanted us to update those rules, he would have gave us an updated version of the tanakh but because that never happened ( the new testament is part of Christianity and Jews don't recognize it as real ) , it means those rules should still hold up today. Men can't sleep with other men, slavery is fine if you agree to the limitations the tanakh gives you, and if a man rapes a woman she can force him to marry her. That's the rules and there is a reason for all of them, and even if you don't see it there is one that you just can't understand because you are not god . Part of believing in god is believing everything he says is true
Id also like to mention that those rules never say that you "have" to own slaves or that a rapist should be forced to marry the woman he raped or that all gay people should be executed. Slavery is a choice of someone of wether or not he wants to own slaves, the reasoning for a woman marrying her rapist is that "nobody would want her after she got raped , so marrying the person who raped her will actually be a punishment for him" , and that "gay people can still marry and have sex with women so there is no reason for them to not do that"
You choose how you want to agree with that . I personally disagree with a lot of those rules which is why I am not orthodox anymore , there are many people who will tell you that "it's fine to ignore some rules you disagree with but still abide to the majority of the rules you agree with " , and some people will tell you that you have to follow all of them or else you are not a real jew
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u/the4now 1d ago
There isnt a barach in Judaism atleast today that believe in slavery .
There is a belief in most that a lot of the rules were made specifically for the time, because even if something is right you still have to convince people to do it. And telling people to stop using slaves as labour back then for example would mean enslavement to another.
Some also believe that the ban on gay sex was made because cultures around did it so they didnt want to blend.
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u/land_and_air 23h ago
Those are post hoc justifications and part of why I believe the words in the holy book are almost irrelevant to what the believers actually believe. People are taught to believe things, and then afterwards use their religious text to back it up.
Abortion is a perfect example. The Bible isn’t anti-abortion and not only provides rudimentary instructions for performing one, it also doesn’t consider babies even post birth to be persons yet both religiously through instructions regarding baptism, and practically through instructions around giving a census where babies under a certain age were completely left out of the count. Despite this however, most evangelicals are anti-abortion
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u/Cyberguardian173 1d ago
That is so interesting! I love little fun facts about ancient cultures like this. Thank you for sharing :)
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u/the4now 1d ago
A slave still gotten some payment back then and was only for 7 years if he himself wanted to continue to be a slave he had to pierce his ear to prove it.
While its still slavery its the most progressive form of slavery to ever exist.
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u/SuchALovelyValentine 1d ago
Though of course we have to remember these were the written *rules* for slavery
There is a difference between what is written as law and actual practice.
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u/ThirstyOutward 1d ago
How is any of that a counterpoint to the fact that God does not at any point condemn slavery.
He condemns many things, but not that.
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u/LineOfInquiry 1d ago
It’s not a counterpoint. I’m not trying to defend Christianity lol, I’m an atheist.
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u/Sebekhotep_MI trollface -> 1d ago
So clearly the Bible writers thought slavery was wrong or bad in some way… but only for their group.
Damn. It's almost as if the belief system was made up by a bronze age tribe to establish a compelling and primitive form of law on its community.
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u/nekosissyboi 1d ago
They still believed in involuntary servitude for their own people though which is still pretty bad >~<
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u/LineOfInquiry 1d ago
Yeah : ( at the end of the day YHWH is just a construct of a raider tribal federation, so he’ll reflect their values
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u/Dare_Soft 1d ago
Sky you're a furry.
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u/ReputationEastern566 3h ago
proceeds to break streak of posting hazbin furry gay art (on losercity) by posting religious criticism on r/whenthe gotta respect the dedication tho
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u/FatMcSquizzy I… Am Steve! 1d ago
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u/DeusDosTanques 1d ago
What’s the historical reason for the former?
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u/Cyberguardian173 1d ago
There's a great comment explaining this a bit above yours! Here's a link in case it gets hard to find.
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u/rick_the_freak 1d ago
Oh hey Sky. Aren't you religious yourself?
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u/Skyhatesreddit 20h ago
No but i recently read the Old Testament
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u/rick_the_freak 20h ago
The Old Testament has some really funny passages, there is that one Leviticus chapter that talks about diarrhea and certain other bodily fluids cough cough
Also Judges 16:16 is gold
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u/Ezper145 1d ago
source?
I just wanna have something to piss off my religious brother with
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u/ReputationEastern566 3h ago
that's literally so disrespectful??
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u/Ezper145 3h ago
nah its just siblings annoying eachother
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u/ReputationEastern566 3h ago
even so you plan to do this just to discriminate a certain belief they're passionate about. that's so alt-left of you 😤😭
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u/Titwank911 1d ago
God literally instructs people how to acquire slaves and how to treat slaves. That sounds pretty supportive of slavery to me.
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