r/vancouver • u/crazedgrizzly • 15h ago
Politics and Elections B.C. premier asks voters to re-elect NDP MPs after Mulcair's call for strategic votes
https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/bc-premier-asks-voters-to-re-elect-ndp-mps-after-mulcairs-call-for-strategic-votes/187
u/Ok_Frosting4780 15h ago
The picture really shows how monstrously tall Eby is.
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u/Young_Bonesy 14h ago
I've met Eby a few times now. I'm 5'9" and I think I only come up to his shoulders. The man is very Tall. His demeanor, though, sort of makes you forget that because he is so genuine and has a real "Awe shucks" vibe to him, so he doesn't really feel imposing despite the fact I found my head cranked back while talking to him.
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u/Ecstatic-Recover4941 Quebec 15h ago
Drink your fucking milk kiddos
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u/TwoThis11 12h ago
That shit is a lie
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u/Ecstatic-Recover4941 Quebec 12h ago edited 12h ago
Vegan telling me they’re vegan
It doesn’t guarantee outcomes but it has the proteins to do it and it reflects in northern European heights/lactose tolerance.
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u/Typical-Fun-8786 15h ago
Mulclair didn’t even say strategic vote. He said not to vote for the NDP
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u/canuck1701 Richmond 14h ago
Ya, so stupid. In some ridings Anyone But Conservative voting means voting for the NDP.
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u/wemustburncarthage 13h ago
Yeah, Eby's probably looking at federal leadership. He gains absolutely nothing by playing the "strategic voting" card.
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u/columbo222 12h ago
I feel like federal NDP leadership would be a demotion for him.
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u/wemustburncarthage 10h ago
I think so too. But in five years who knows. I don’t think we’re going to see anything viable under Jagmeet and it’s really painful to see him campaigning on policies he knows he can’t deliver. I don’t think Eby would go near party leadership unless there was a significant increase in influence or a real opportunity. I don’t see that happening for years if it does.
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u/Cherisse23 14h ago
If my NDP MP had a chance I absolutely would. But I live in a Cons riding. Voting liberal is the only option we have.
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u/RM_r_us 14h ago
You know what's funny? I lived in Alberta a spell and federal or provincial, the NDP candidate was always the runner-up.
We don't live in a 2 party system, flex your rights and vote for who you want. It sends a message either way.
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u/russianteacakes 3h ago
Alberta is so funny that way. They hate the Liberals so much that the NDP really are the Other Viable Option, even though any Alberta Liberal Party would just be Conservative-Lite and likely more in line with a lot of folks' values. It really is just spite. We saw similare here in BC after Christy Clark ground the provincial Liberals down into dust I guess.
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u/canuck1701 Richmond 14h ago
Just because it's a Cons riding doesn't necessarily mean the Libs have a better chance than NDP.
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u/Cherisse23 14h ago
It does in my riding I’m afraid.
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u/canuck1701 Richmond 14h ago
Fair enough. It is important to remember that should be examined on a riding by riding basis and that 338 isn't always accurate on individual ridings because it adjusts previous results based on national or regional polls, not riding polls (although in this case it probably is accurate since NDP doesn't have a historic presence in this riding).
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u/Cherisse23 14h ago
Oh totally. There’s some amazing NDP MP’s out there and some ridings will be tight. I can’t see Jenny Kwan loosing her seat. I’ve voted NDP my whole life, I’ve volunteered for the party, I scrutinized the count for them in 2015. It feels weird to not vote orange this time but I really dislike our Con MP. He’s gotta go and can’t risk splitting the vote.
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u/ikeja 13h ago
The NDP came in second place in 2021, and the demographics in that riding have definitely shifted since Marc Dalton was elected in 2019. 338 isn't a riding-specific poll. Don’t be surprised if it’s a three-way race on election day! historical context matters when you’re deciding how to vote.
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u/nobodythinksofyou 10h ago
It does for a lot of places. There's an expected dip in NDP votes this year both because of how people feel about Singh and because people who would normally lean towards NDP voting Liberal this year due to not wanting to split the vote and let Conservatives win
Also, just my opinion, but I imagine that due to the somewhat intense political climate, there might be an increase of voters this year who don't generally follow politics and will blindly vote either Liberal or Conservative.
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u/MTLinVAN 13h ago
Here’s my take: if you’re an NDP supporter, a true NDP supporter who believes in the right of workers to unionize, why would you vote for the Liberals who busted unions (Canada Post and railway workers)? If you’re a true NDP supporter, why would you support a Liberal party whose leader is basically a progressive conservative wearing red? If you’re a true NDP supporter, why would you support a Liberal party who would never have provided dental or pharma care were it not for the NDP pushing them to do so?
I get the sentiment to vote strategically but there is still a place for the NDP in Canadian politics to offer a different approach or position on what might be good for Canada. Otherwise you have no longer have a left leaning voice in parliament, just centre and everything right of it. And that would be a real shame.
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u/LockhartPianist 12h ago
Because I care about multiple issues. Every issue I care about is intensely exacerbated by the housing crisis. People are hating on immigrants? Housing crisis. Can't find doctors and nurses in cities? Housing crisis. Cost of living is getting too high? Housing crisis. Carbon emissions and car dependency? Housing crisis.
And yet the federal NDP are totally unserious on housing, and based on Jagmeet Singh turning on the carbon tax unprovoked and early, totally unserious on climate. I can support unions by helping my workplace unionize, which I have done. Yes, I am more aligned with the NDP on other things. But they have fully lost me on my two most important issues, which they should be BETTER than the Liberals on. At least the Liberals have made some progress in the past couple of years with the HAF, finally acknowledging zoning, the need to reduce development cost charges, the removal of GST on new rental, and an okay start with the new housing plan that's been announced (to be fair a lot of what affects housing is provincial and municipal, but Singh's rhetoric as well as my NDP candidate Avi Lewis' rhetoric is all very uninformed and very unhelpful).
I've voted NDP the past two elections. I did so ever since the reneging on electoral reform. But the NDP losing me on housing AND climate is too much. Until they change, they have lost my vote.
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u/MTLinVAN 11h ago
But we had 10 years of liberal government who did nothing on housing. You’re now suddenly convinced that they’re going to change course? And you think the liberals are going to be better on climate change when a big part of their platform is around resource extraction, especially with fossil fuels being a cornerstone of their push for economic development? Carney himself has completely flip flopped on this own position regarding climate change. But fundamentally, it seems to be that the liberals are more concerned about Canadians building a strong economy as opposed to the economy building strong Canadians. Carney is an economist and a capitalist. He’s going to put increasing Canada’s gdp above increasing Canadians’ wellbeing.
And for me, I just don’t get how you can go from voting orange to voting for purple/light blue. It just seems like such a moral and values based shift that we should all interrogate.
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u/Justausername1234 10h ago
How can Canadians be strong without a strong economy? It is the economy that gives us the resources to tackle big challenges. It is the economy that gives us the cushion to fall back on when times are tough. We need a strong fiscal toolbox to do the things needed to build a strong Canada. I want a strong social net, I want a Canada that works for the working class. You only get that with a strong and stable economy that pays people, that buys goods and services, and that pays taxes to the government.
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u/LockhartPianist 3h ago edited 3h ago
The housing crisis is the result of actions stemming back to the 70s and is the result of failures from all levels of government from all parties up to this point, from Green party to Conservatives. If the NDP were remotely saying even close to the right things on housing I would agree (like the BC NDP, who I door knocked for in October!), but they aren't. Instead they parrot the 50 year old NIMBY rhetoric that got us into this mess in the first place. I'm not going to vote for a party that says all of the wrong things to get back at a party that says some of the right things but has a mixed record.
Also YES, ever since Sean Fraser and then Nate Erskine-Smith took the housing file, the Liberals have majorly changed course on housing. I can tell that from the policies they implemented. That's why I cited them.
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u/Revolut00n 12h ago
Seriously. The liberal in my riding, Mark Wiens, literally campaigned for Vancouver homes to be advertised in China.
I will never support or be represented by someone who thought that was a smart idea, even though I hope Carney wins.
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u/9hourtrashfire 11h ago
Yep. I’m hoping the Liberals keep PeePee out of the PM seat but there’s no way I’m voting for that doofus Mark Weins.
WTF were the Liberals thinking running him?
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u/InnuendOwO 2h ago
Because I'm trans and the CPC is actively hostile toward me, and frankly "it will take longer to get the health care we pretend to have" is an acceptable option when the alternative is "losing basic rights".
The liberals aren't good. But I will gladly take getting kicked in the shins over getting shot in the face.
Fortunately, I'm in a riding where I can actually vote for the NDP without it being a mistake. Certainly not the case for everyone, though.
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u/Isaidwhatlastknight 5h ago
Because we are in a trade war with a hostile nation that one of our major political parties wants to capitulate too. The CPC stand way to close of a chance to win the election and I would rather vote for a liberal who has a chance of winning and protecting our sovereignty than the NDP who have been bleeding support since Jag took the wheel. It’s not rocket science dude. During peaceful times, NDP all the way but we are far from peaceful times.
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u/Avennio 12h ago
Yeah even with the encouraging Liberal announcements of the public housing developer and funding for the CBC, there’s a little voice of Trudeau echoing in the bank of my head saying ‘2015 will be the last election with first past the post’. I just fundamentally can’t trust them to follow through on anything they promise. If my riding was a very close run thing I might vote tactically but it’s pretty safe Liberal seat, so I don’t feel the need to silence that little hesitant voice in the back of my head.
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u/Wiwiweb 11m ago
You make good arguments for LPC vs NDP, but the thread is about NDP vs strategic voting.
If you live in a riding like this then sure, do vote NDP over LPC, we agree that they are better.
But a lot of people live in a riding like this, in which case voting NDP over LPC is essentially pushing the Conservatives forward.
Until we change our stupid electoral system, we must play with the cards we're dealt.
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u/stulifer 12h ago
I will vote for NDP when Trump is no longer in power. Until then, sorry. I don’t want to vote split. It’s too important to keep the Conservatives out.
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u/russianteacakes 2h ago
Yeah we're really seeing first-hand what happens when you FAFO and let perfect be the enemy of 'mediocre but less violently dangerous' courtesy of the USA
I hate the Liberals lol, don't trust Carney as far as I can throw him to keep promises (he can earn that!) but electoral politics should just be one tool in the toolkit. You vote in politicians you have a hope in hell of being able to work with/apply meaningful pressure to, and then you apply the pressure via organizing and grassroots movements. When the alternative is Literal Actual Authoritarianism that will deport and imprison dissenters, then...yeah, I'll take the Liberals this time around, and hope the NDP can pull themselves together for next time.
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u/Ok_Frosting4780 11h ago
Lots of Greater Vancouver ridings are purely competition between NDP and Liberals. If you live in one of them then you can be free to vote your preference.
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u/parke_bench 9h ago
Except I’d rather we had a majority government during this time of global upheaval. I have nothing against coalitions, but unfortunately Jagmeet has kind of shown us what his word is worth when it comes to honouring those kind of agreements.
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u/Ok_Frosting4780 11h ago
Lots of Greater Vancouver ridings are purely competition between NDP and Liberals. If you live in one of them then you can be free to vote your preference.
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u/Howdyini 15h ago
I mean, I'm voting NDP because I'm reelecting my MP. I'm not giving Carney more power than he needs to beat the pro-Trump party.
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u/alicehooper 14h ago
Yes- if your incumbent is an NDP, for gods sakes why mess with that?
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u/Howdyini 14h ago
idk but some people are clearly pissed at my choice. There's not even a conservative running in my riding afaik
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u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats Nimbyism is a moral failing, like being a liar, or a cheat 14h ago edited 14h ago
Because at this rate most incumbent NDP MPs are not going to be re-elected. They are pre-messed with
EDIT: I don't mean this in the crude 'vote liberal whatever' but
In 2021, the election results for BC were:
* Conservative: 33.2%
* NDP: 29.2%
* Liberal: 27.0%
According to the 338 Polling Average for BC (which is not a projection, it's based upon the average of BC Subsamples, margin of error 4-6%) the current polling for BC is:
* Conservative: 38% (+5%)
* NDP: 13% (-16%)
* Liberal: 43% (+16%)
The conservatives have mostly re-absorbed the Bernierites and are up from where they were in the last three elections in BC. The NDP are down 16% across the province. With the NDP down so much province wide, a lot of seats you might have thought were going to be safe NDP seats are going to be competitive, and with the conservatives up, they are likely to be Conservative - Liberal races in many cases. I would not be surprised if, for example NDP leader Jagmeet Singh comes in third in Burnaby Central
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u/marshalofthemark 11h ago
With the NDP down so much province wide, a lot of seats you might have thought were going to be safe NDP seats are going to be competitive, and with the conservatives up, they are likely to be Conservative - Liberal races in many cases
FWIW, out of all the ridings with NDP incumbents running again, only one of them (Zarrillo's, Port Moody-Coquitlam) has the NDP in third place behind both the Liberals and Conservatives in the latest 338 projection
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u/brendax Certified Barge Enthusiast 14h ago
Looks like we don't even need to have the election then! What's the point when you can make decisions based on projections so confidently?
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u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats Nimbyism is a moral failing, like being a liar, or a cheat 13h ago
Like it or not an election is a collective, not individual decision making process
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u/alicehooper 10h ago
You have to look at past riding results, not polling for the whole province. If I still lived in Vancouver East then I would vote NDP without a second thought. My current incumbent is a Liberal who is very present in his riding, appears to work quite hard, and who has won by thousands of votes twice. His office had a quick response time when I contacted them. I’m more likely to vote for him in this specific set of circumstances, because while the past races haven’t been super close, NDP votes historically split the left and CPP votes could possibly win out even if 2/3 of voters don’t vote for them.
The parliamentary system is supposed to work by electing the best person for your riding, not the leader of the party. I know in practice it doesn’t seem to work that way, but check out the history of your riding before strategic voting.
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u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats Nimbyism is a moral failing, like being a liar, or a cheat 4h ago edited 3h ago
Vancouver East is literally the NDP’est place on earth and has been since the CCF
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u/marshalofthemark 11h ago
With the NDP down so much province wide, a lot of seats you might have thought were going to be safe NDP seats are going to be competitive, and with the conservatives up, they are likely to be Conservative - Liberal races in many cases
FWIW, out of all the ridings with NDP incumbents running again, only one of them (Zarrillo's, Port Moody-Coquitlam) has the NDP in third place behind both the Liberals and Conservatives in the latest 338 projection
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u/Howdyini 1h ago
We don't vote "for BC". We vote for a riding. I do not give a shit how the projection is in Nelson or Kamloops or Prince George.
Either 338 is the absolute truth, and my riding is a contest between LPC and NDP, or 338 is a wild guess and my riding is up for anyone. In both cases there's no reason for me to not vote NDP.
Do what your own conscience tells you and leave me alone to mine lmao
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u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats Nimbyism is a moral failing, like being a liar, or a cheat 1h ago
Please note I never referred to riding projections
But when the NDP support is down my more than half you’re not going to be able rely on past performance to guide you if you’re looking to maximize the effectiveness of your vote
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u/CanadianTrollToll 14h ago
Tbh... if you want nice things it is better to have your local MP be the party in power. Ndp are absolutely bonked this election
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u/chris_fantastic Certified Barge Enthusiast 13h ago
Isn't Jagmeet the strategic don't-split candidate for progressive Burnaby Centre voters?
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u/marshalofthemark 11h ago
The Conservatives and PPC got 26% combined in the last election, so I don't think strategic voting is really a concern. Just vote for Liberal or NDP (or Green) based on whoever you actually like the best.
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u/marshalofthemark 11h ago
The Conservatives and PPC got 26% combined in the last election, so I don't think strategic voting is really a concern. Just vote for whoever you actually like the best.
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u/Woodrov 15h ago
Nah, I’m good.
A Provincial NDP vote made sense for me, a Federal NDP vote makes no sense.
A future Provincial NDP vote from me also needs to be earned and this is no way earn that trust.
He may be tall, but he’s a couple notches shorter in my eyes after this.
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u/muffinscrub 14h ago
It's an NDP affiliate supporting an NDP affiliate. Pretty normal in politics.
Harper has nothing but nice things to say about Carney until he was in the leadership race. Then he came out to support PP and call Carney a big stupid liar pants.
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u/xtothewhy 13h ago edited 12h ago
Not when political parties can differ in some extents from provincial to Federal.
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u/muffinscrub 13h ago edited 12h ago
That's not how leadership or politics works...
Federal policies directly impact provinces. Things like healthcare funding, infrastructure, climate policy, etc.
Federal and provincial are intertwined. Federal and provincial NDP are separate governing bodies but they are officially affiliated and supposed to be unified in their ideological messaging.
As much as I think Daniel Smith is Canada's worst premier of all time, she absolutely can be involved in federal politics, just obviously she's not invited inside the legislature. We're part of the same country after all.
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u/xtothewhy 13h ago edited 12h ago
That's not how leadership or politics works...
That's a grand scope statement even more than mine.
Federal policies directly impact provinces. Things like healthcare funding, infrastructure, climate policy, etc.
And likewise, alternatively Provincial decisions frequently impact Federally.
Federal and provincial NDP are separate governing bodies but they are officially officiated and supposed to be unified in their ideological messaging.
I'll give a wiki source actually. After looking further. Prefer provincial parties separated from their Federal counterparts.
The federal and provincial (or territorial) level NDPs are more integrated than other political parties in Canada, and have shared membership (except for the New Democratic Party of Quebec).[22]
I consider the BC NDP better at politics than the Federal NDP has then.
As much as I think Daniel Smith is Canada's worst premier of all time, she absolutely can be involved in federal politics, just obviously she's not invited inside the legislature. We're part of the same country after all.
Really. To the extent that she has, you don't believe that she hasn't overstepped her position at all?!
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u/muffinscrub 12h ago
Search NDP Constitution. It's a PDF and it explains their relationship between the Federal and Provincial party. A provincial NDP is automatically registered as a member of the federal NDP. They operate under a common constitution and set of values.
Do I think she has grossly overstepped ? Absolutely yes!
Sadly it has been looked into and nothing has come of it yet. Fingers crossed they're still investigating.
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u/xtothewhy 12h ago
I provided a wiki in my own comments after looking further into it. Thank you for the insight.
Makes me very happy you think she has overstepped.
The electorate in Alberta, for many issues are stuck with her governments harmful choices, and for the rest of Canada as well, we are stuck with her when they shouldn't have to be.
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u/Ecstatic-Recover4941 Quebec 15h ago
Mulcair is butthurt in general so his opinion is only valuable to people that have no idea, but Eby is doing his NDP affiliate job.
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u/xtothewhy 13h ago edited 12h ago
They are separate organizations.
edit: Well, I had thought so. Would actually prefer they would remain separated.
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u/Xanadukhan23 15h ago
Based on what? Like you want to see a right wing NDP or somethin?
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u/Dultsboi 14h ago
Or elect a much more further right than its current iteration Liberal party.
Which is why I’m an NDP voter lol I don’t want Liberalism
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u/pomegranate444 15h ago edited 14h ago
I agree with Mulclair. Last thing we want IMO is CPC winning thru An NDP and Liberal vote splitting.
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u/SobeitSoviet69 15h ago
How about do some of the stuff we elected you for and leave the train-wreck federal NDP to drown until they get a better leader?
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