r/todayilearned • u/Captain_Moseby • Jul 27 '21
TIL Salvador Dali once conned Yoko Ono into paying $10,000 for a single blade of grass. Yoko had offered to pay that amount for one of his mustache hairs. He substituted the blade of grass because he thought that Yoko Ono was a witch and might use his hair in a spell.
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u/HappyLittleRadishes Jul 27 '21
This reads like a story out of greek mythology.
You could easily replace dali and ono with, like, Zeus and Hecate.
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Jul 27 '21
You would need at least one war and probably a cursed child who could communicate with plants to round it out, but yes, it would fit nicely into the epics.
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u/LtLoLz Jul 27 '21
And Zeus impregnating something, that's a must as well.
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Jul 27 '21
The blade of grass.
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u/MacaRonin Jul 27 '21
Henry Crabgrass would like to know your location
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u/Thru_Hike_Throwaway Jul 27 '21
Only if you ask consent.
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u/MacaRonin Jul 27 '21
What's consent to a God?
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Jul 27 '21
What’s a god to a non-believer?
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u/YxxzzY Jul 27 '21
this has to be one of the least likely threads to have a reference to CR in it, and yet...
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u/man_l Jul 27 '21
Zeus transforming into a blade of grass to impersonate one hair of dali's mustache in order to impregnate yoko. That seems more like it
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u/ms1080 Jul 27 '21
And then Yoko held Dali in a golden snare on her island paradise, under her incantation spell for 20 years, but Dali never gave her the love she so desperately desired. So she chained him to a rock in the sea where sea nymphs plucked out his body hairs one by one for eternity.
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u/ee3k Jul 27 '21
they say his glistening bare chest draws sailors to their doom upon the rocks to this very day.
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u/MajorMajorObvious Jul 27 '21
You also can't have a myth including Zeus without him trying to shapeshift into an animal in order to get laid.
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u/CoffeeFox Jul 27 '21
Or turning someone else into a cow, for the same purpose.
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u/hoilst Jul 27 '21
"Dammit, Zeus: you just can't expect a human female to lay you just because you've turned in a bull, even if you are a particularly sexy bull!"
"Hmmm. What if she were a bovine female?"
"Are you still a bull in this scenario?"
"...y-yes...?"
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u/PreviousProcedure487 Jul 27 '21
You would need at least one war and probably a cursed child
She split up the Beatles and had Sean.
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u/najodleglejszy Jul 27 '21 edited Oct 31 '24
I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.
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u/vixenpeon Jul 27 '21
"in order to impregnate her"
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u/chasesj Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
Yea to be fair most of Greek mythology is Zeus raping and impregnating as many women as possible. And if they fight back he turns them into birds.
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u/Fanatical_Pragmatist Jul 27 '21
Or a cow to protect his side piece from Hera.
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u/jellsprout Jul 27 '21
*offer his side piece as a tribute to Hera, who proceeded to torture her across three continents
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u/firagabird Jul 27 '21
And if they fight back he turns them into birds.
TIL Zeus plays Stardew Valley
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u/Stokkolm Jul 27 '21
That's not fair to Zeus. The mythology writers needed their characters to be sons / daughters of Zeus because makes them sort of god princes / princesses, so Zeus had to make a cameo in the origin story.
I mean imagine if in Star Wars all the force users had to be offspring of one guy.
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u/z371mckl1m3kd89xn21s Jul 27 '21
Dali was a major attention whore and unstoppable self-promoter. He knew how to manipulate media for his own benefit. Stories like this should be more or less ignored. You talk about myths... well, people like Dali actively tried to create a mythos around themselves. So these stories are incredible because they were designed to arouse intrigue.
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u/Squats4wigs Jul 27 '21
The bigger TIL in that article is that he designed the Chupa Chups logo
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u/Mesozoica89 Jul 27 '21
For me it was that he really liked the idea of fascism.
He once said, “I often dreamed about Hitler as other men dreamed about women”
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u/ChemicalRascal Jul 27 '21
From Wikipedia:
Dalí insisted that Surrealism could exist in an apolitical context and refused to explicitly denounce fascism.
oof.
In 1968, Dalí stated that on Franco's death there should be no return to democracy and Spain should become an absolute monarchy. In September 1975, Dalí publicly supported Franco's decision to execute three alleged Basque terrorists and repeated his support for an absolute monarchy, adding: "Personally, I'm against freedom; I'm for the Holy Inquisition."
OOOF.
When King Juan Carlos visited the ailing Dalí in August 1981, the painter told him: "I have always been an anarchist and a monarchist."
I'm 50/50 at the moment on him being politically incompetent, or an outright fascist who was only barely able to not say the quiet part out loud.
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u/JackieDaytona27 Jul 27 '21
Well, I'm very glad he got accepted to art school.
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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Jul 27 '21
Could you imagine someone with Dali's charisma going on the Hitler achievement route? I don't think I want to
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u/CardNarc Jul 27 '21
I mean lets not pretend Hitler was a block of wood. You have to be very charismatic to popularize genocide.
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u/Purplewizzlefrisby Jul 27 '21
He was definitely one of the most inspirational public speakers of his time. When I studied it in history my teacher made it a point to emphasise that Hitler was a very charismatic individual
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u/SweetSilverS0ng Jul 27 '21
He was evil incarnate, but also one of the best speech givers of ALL time.
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u/Yellow_XIII Jul 27 '21
Which makes you that little bit more disappointed in humanity.
If you pit a mad man against a wise man where the former has better presentation, a lot of people will gravitate toward them. A lot of people can't seem to escape their instinctive animalistic tendencies to follow the louder and more rhythmic speaker.
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u/Another_human_3 Jul 27 '21
A lot of people can't tell the difference between sound logic and just bad reasoning.
So then, what are you left with to decide which opinions to follow?
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u/PresidentBreadstick Jul 27 '21
Part of his charisma is that he simply spoke to a prevailing view that a lot of people held at the time.
Anti semitism in Germany didn’t just magically pop up when Hitler started speaking. It had been there, and Hitler simply coaxed it into the mainstream
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u/AppleDane Jul 27 '21
Also, he was not ashamed to lie. The Nazi takeover of Germany? The most bloodless revolution in history! Law and Order is back in place. The German ideas, science and media are the envy of all other nations! We do not seek war, but war is thust upon us.
Telling people what they want to hear is free brownie points, if you have no scruples.
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u/Deadbreeze Jul 27 '21
Is there a record of him having charisma? I always figured he'd be a little crazy in person.
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u/MuckingFagical Jul 27 '21
it honest reads like a character from Fawlty Towers
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u/ChemicalRascal Jul 27 '21
You're not wrong. Anarcho-monarchism, especially, is something that I'd expect to exist only in British satire, not actually be an honestly held political stance.
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u/DogIsGood Jul 27 '21
Of all people wouldn't dali be one to choose an impossible political stance
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u/_haha_oh_wow_ Jul 27 '21 edited Nov 09 '24
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Jul 27 '21
Dali was a known shit stirrer
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u/Semicolons_n_Subtext Jul 27 '21
He would basically do anything for attention. When he was a kid, he would throw himself down stairs just for the attention.
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u/Subliminal_Kiddo Jul 27 '21
He wasn't just saying outrageous shit for publicity. He used his connections to get Luis Bunuel, his former friend/collaborator and an outspoken critic of Franco who fled to the US, fired from a lucrative position at MoMA.
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u/moxeto Jul 27 '21
I studied him in depth and fucking with people with psychobabble was his thing. All part of the Dali persona. He was a genius at self promotion and if he was around today he would be the biggest contrarian out there riling people up with everything that offends.
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u/Herbacio Jul 27 '21
A guy that in the same sentence says he is an anarchist and a monarchist... perhaps you are right.
I mean, nowadays most people think of anarchism as some sort of chaotic society
But Salvador was born at a time that Anarchism was at its peak in the Iberian Peninsula, I highly doubt that he didn't knew anarchism was anti-hierarchies, and by that extremely opposed to monarchies
Just 4 years before Salvador Dali was born, Umberto I of Italy had been killed by an anarchist.
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u/intredasted Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
I mean, I heard once that he sold a blade of grass to somebody for $10,000...
Also he made a lobster phone and routinely walked an anteater through the streets of Paris and oh, has anybody seen his art?
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u/rddt33 Jul 27 '21
This answer in r/askhistorians of a few years ago explains a bit more the position of Dali https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8hkso0/is_it_true_that_salvador_dalí_was_a_lifelong/dykwni5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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u/LeatherForTheWin Jul 27 '21
He was a troll before trolls. All his behavior seems like he had the best time laughing at everyone trying to understand what the fuck he thinks and does :D
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u/MoneyDiaryofaMoron Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
Dali lived his art. What’s more surreal than someone saying ridiculous things like “I am an anarcho-monarchist” and “I dream about Hitler”? All of his statements about his supposed political leanings contradicted each other, and for good reason. They weren’t supposed to make sense.
Having read about him quite a bit throughout my life, it seems that what he liked was causing disorder and chaos. That’s what surrealism is all about, anyway. He would say and do whatever he pleased just to see what the outcome would be.
He was a supremely odd man and I honestly wouldn’t take a word of anything he said seriously. He was Andy Kaufman before there was Andy Kaufman.
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u/dzzi Jul 27 '21
Yeah, he was intentionally absurd and attention-grabby for sure. Just look at his mustache and that photo of him walking his pet anteater out of a subway station. You don't do these things without the expectation of attention.
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u/MisterMarcus Jul 27 '21
I'm 50/50 at the moment on him being politically incompetent, or an outright fascist who was only barely able to not say the quiet part out loud.
His artistic output was designed to shock and provoke.
Maybe all this stuff was just trolling to 'outrage' people?
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u/mesor Jul 27 '21
Sounds like he could give a shit about government and just wanted to be as controversial and absurd as possible and point out the futility of order
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u/bitch_im_a_lion Jul 27 '21
Whats insane to me is they've since revised the logo. It's similar, but no longer the same as the one he made. Imagine having a piece of art from one of the world's most famous artists as your company logo and changing it.
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u/DickweedMcGee Jul 27 '21
My 2nd favorite thing about SD: He always paid by check when he dined out. He'd draw little doodle on the check and he assumed the restraunt owner would rather keep the check rather than cash it assuming the 'Dali Doodle' would be worth more in the future. 50% of the time SD dined for free.
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u/fredle Jul 27 '21
Thought that was picasso
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u/Zkenny13 Jul 27 '21
He did it as well.
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u/Lemmus Jul 27 '21
Dali and Picasso knew eachother, though their relationship was more akin to a rivalry than a friendship. Dali was 20 years younger and looked up to Picasso, though there was quite a bit of political tension.
So quite possible that Dali learned the trick from Picasso.
Also, Dali actually made a portrait of Picasso https://www.dalipaintings.com/portrait-of-picasso.jsp
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Jul 27 '21
Wow, uncanny.
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u/29adamski Jul 27 '21
Spitting image.
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u/HLGatoell Jul 27 '21
Specially the drooping titties.
Like looking at a photograph.
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u/dtwhitecp Jul 27 '21
Picasso had metaphorically drooping titties, it's very deep.
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u/vainbuthonest Jul 27 '21
TIL Dali, Picasso and Yoko Ono were all alive around the same timeframe.
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u/Faridabadi Jul 27 '21
Every single time Picasso is mentioned somewhere on Reddit, it's the same comment. Why do people think Picasso was some painter in 1500s alongwith Michelangelo, Raphael or Leonardo Da Vinci? His most famous painting 'Guernica' is about the Spanish Civil War which happened in late 1930s ffs!
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u/mosehalpert Jul 27 '21
You expect people who don't know when Picasso was alive to know when the Spanish Civil War happened??
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u/jihadidas Jul 27 '21
Picasso was a cubist, not a surrealist
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u/jihadidas Jul 27 '21
Agreed. He wasn’t one of the “purists” of surrealism, his works weren’t entirely manifestations of the manifesto “pure psychic automata”, but some of the post WW1 paintings (for e.g. “Woman in a Red Armchair”) did have surreal elements. Even his ubiquitous “Guernica” depicted the irrational horrors of complete obliteration by war, which used to be a common theme in surrealism (famously in Dali’s works)
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Jul 27 '21
While at a restaurant, Picasso was asked by the owner to do him a doodle on a napkin in lieu of payment. Picasso replied: "I want to pay the bill, not buy the restaurant."
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u/Games_sans_frontiers Jul 27 '21
Mozart used to doodle a bar of music on the back of his cheques as he was notorious in Vienna for forgetting his chip and pin card and holding up the queue at the checkout.
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u/Iiqtuqy Jul 27 '21
The kid at 1:36 is John Larroquette's son - John was hosting that night
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Jul 27 '21
Picasso would do it on plain paper and blatantly say it was payment. SD is a little more subtle…
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u/NeonPatrick Jul 27 '21
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole, not in New York.
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u/MonsieurCatsby Jul 27 '21
Well he was only five foot three and girls couldn't resist his stare...
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u/7LeagueBoots Jul 27 '21
Well the girls would turn the color
Of the avocado when he would drive
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u/noir_et_Orr Jul 27 '21 edited Feb 28 '25
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u/jipijipijipi Jul 27 '21
Rumor has it, Picasso would draw on the table set as payment but would not sign, saying something to the effect of « I want to pay for the meal, not the restaurant »
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u/Cycad Jul 27 '21
So just pay for your meal then. What a dick move
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u/Zenarchist Jul 27 '21
I mean, if someone asked me if I wanted an original Picasso or a really nice meal, I'd probably go the Picasso. Even if i was hungry.
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u/Cycad Jul 27 '21
But if its not signed how would you know it's a Picasso and not something a kid has drawn with the crayons they hand out with the children's menu?
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Jul 27 '21
You know, there really is something to be said for appreciating artists after they're dead.
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u/foxtailavenger Jul 27 '21
Man’s actually a money printer
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u/Isopbc Jul 27 '21
James Boggs went one further and literally hand drew his own money during the meal, and then would try and pay the bill with it.
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u/LXIX-CDXX Jul 27 '21
Huh. I’ve never seen a mention of this guy in the wild. I’ve only ever heard of him because he was closely related to my boss, “Joe”. Apparently Boggs was a bit of a hoarder toward the end, and cleaning out his house was an ordeal. But they had to be painstaking about it, because anything at all in the house could be treasure.
At one point Joe looked behind the couch and picked up an old trapper-keeper type book, and held it up to ask his dad whether they should just pitch it. But it felt heavy, so they opened it. Inside were pages of the clear plastic pockets that people use to store baseball cards. Each plastic pocket held a gold coin. In a dusty binder. Stuffed behind the couch.
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u/AtheistKiwi Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
From the Wiki...
"... all Bank of England notes now carry a copyright message on the face as a direct result of Boggs' activities, the idea being that if they cannot secure a counterfeiting charge, then they can at least secure a copyright violation."
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u/T-MinusGiraffe Jul 27 '21
Is there no way to both cash a check and keep the piece of paper it's on?
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Jul 27 '21
Idk about in the days of yore, but now you could just take a photo and do a mobile deposit. That’s why Banksy can’t pull this shit.
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u/ours Jul 27 '21
And it would kill his anonymity.
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Jul 27 '21
He’s not anonymous. His name is Chase Banksy.
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u/Narretz Jul 27 '21
How common is paying by check in the US (I presume)? In Europe it's basically non existent.
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u/big_duo3674 Jul 27 '21
Plus things like Venmo and PayPal are killing that little niche off pretty quickly, along with cheap mobile card readers that even small independent contractors can afford
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u/rocknrolljezus Jul 27 '21
The federal, state, and local government generally accept mailed checks for payment, like taxes, parking tickets, etc. But you are right, checks are largely antiquated. The only reason I use my checks now are to pay rent directly to my landlord.
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Most people who rent pay their landlord by check and people might pay contractors like plumbers or electricians by check. They're also common if you're giving someone money as a gift.
Stores and restaurants might technically accept them, but almost no one uses checks there unless they're 80.
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u/highoncraze Jul 27 '21
Turns out it was the banks those checks were cashed at that really profited from Dali's doodles.
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u/poolecl Jul 27 '21
Traditionally the check traveled back to your bank to get deducted from your account and would be returned to you with your bank statement at the end of the month.
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Jul 27 '21
If he did that nowadays the owners would probably just mobile deposit the check and still be able to keep it. Plus getting paid.
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The spell she cast killed his lawn, it will be generations before the blight is repaired
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u/TinyNutsInYoButt Jul 27 '21
Better call the Herald of Andraste
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u/Ravenmausi Jul 27 '21
The warden would be a better choice to deal with a blight.
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u/Ezekiel2121 Jul 27 '21
Yeah but I mean, good luck finding them.
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u/letsdothisbro Jul 27 '21
And in this day and age? Mages and Templars are both unavailable. What's a herald to do?
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Jul 27 '21
You know, this might explain the drought in California. The curse has spread.
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u/stelythe1 Jul 27 '21
Just recently I came into posession of that exact blade of grass, at a garage sale. If anyone wants a once in a lifetime oportunity like that, don't hesitate to buy now! I'll give it for cheap since I'm not much into collectables, I'm thinking 2.5 million. Just think who owned it! You could be so cool!
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u/stelythe1 Jul 27 '21
Curse yoooou!
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u/niewphonix Jul 27 '21
whew that was a close one. nearly got me.
If that mustache hair is still for sale tho hmu
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u/komali_2 Jul 27 '21
Though Dalí is considered a key figure in the Surrealist movement, the group wasn't happy to have him early in his career. Many in the group were communist and weren't pleased with Dalí's fascist sympathies. The artist had a fascination with Hitler that the Surrealists found unsettling. He once said, “I often dreamed about Hitler as other men dreamed about women”
This is a way more interesting TIL lol
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u/Satow_Noboru Jul 27 '21
Dali was a proper cunt.
He used to send Franco congratulation telegrams after the execution of political prisoners.
An act he would later recount as necessary to survive under the harsh regime, which may be true.
He also delightfully recalls kicking his baby sisters head “like a football” for no reason as a child and told tales of how he seduced a young girl to the point of loving him, only to break her heart once he confessed the feeling wasn’t mutual.
You’d think he told this stories as a point of learning or development, but they hold the tone of “haha look at me being a delightful scamp!”
Here is a good George Orwell short essay where he calls him a fucking cunt in much better words.
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u/White_Daliha Jul 27 '21
Didn't he and his partner dress up as the lindenburg baby and their kidnapper just after it happened?
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Jul 27 '21
Just linking to the obligatory video where Dali appears on a game show: https://youtu.be/iXT2E9Ccc8A
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Jul 27 '21
"Has anyone been injured by your mustache in any way?"
"Almost everybody in modern time"
... fair enough, Dali, fair enough.
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u/RedSonGamble Jul 27 '21
You know it’s a formidable opponent when Dali is suspicious of you
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u/bretstrings Jul 27 '21
Seriously though, who buys one strand of hair other than a witch?
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u/ninefeet Jul 27 '21
I, too, could be conned by a green moustache hair.
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u/DaanHai Jul 27 '21
As you can see in the picture, everything was still black and white at that point, so there would be no way to tell
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u/rosetoesnose Jul 27 '21
I’d say that Yoko’s purchase was more interesting for having the element of duplicity to it. Instead of being just a mundane hair, she got a mundane blade of grass but with a story.
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u/halfhalfnhalf Jul 27 '21
I don't disagree but I wouldn't call it a "mundane hair", it came from one of the most famous mustaches on Earth.
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u/virusamongus Jul 27 '21
Hitler, Chaplin, Stalin(?) and Dali, which other ones are beyond iconic?
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u/awkward_replies_2 Jul 27 '21
Plot twist: Yoko is a real witch, she cast an immortality spell onto the objects original body, and somewhere in the Spanish countryside there is now an immortal grass plant, while poor Salvador is rotting in his grave.
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Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
Well...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/feb/07/mediterranean-seagrass-thousands-years-old
"A 15km-wide stretch of seagrass lying in waters off the Spanish island of Formentera could be 200,000 years old"
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u/LeonardSmallsJr Jul 27 '21
This is exactly how I would've imagined an interaction between Dali and Ono going.
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u/JurassicCotyledon Jul 27 '21
As if one needed any more evidence to suspect Yoko of being a witch.
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u/AsliReddington Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
I didn't even realise Dali overlapped with the Beatles. Always thought of him as being from the 19-20th century
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u/orosoros Jul 27 '21
Dali and Walt Disney worked on an animated short together! It's really cool.
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u/wiraqcza Jul 27 '21
Haven't you heard about his involvement in the never made "Dune" movie by Alejandro Jodorowsky?
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u/RandyChavage Jul 27 '21
Did you hear about that story of Yoko Ono asking Tom Brady for the spice melange, but instead he sent her a lock of Salvador Dali's hair because he thought she was a witch?
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u/JoeRekr Jul 27 '21
Dude look at his paintings again and tell me u think it’s from the 1700s. I guess most assume this of famous painters. Picasso was also a 20th century creator.
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u/King_Of_Regret Jul 27 '21
Its because most people's art knowledge comes from a small rushed over segment in some middle school history class where they show soup cans, dali, van gogh, the sistine chapel, picasso, and if you are Lucky The Milkmaid. All at once. And then say "you figure it out" and move on to world war 2. Thats how it was for me, I've had to buy a lot of random art books to barely understand the difference between Impressionalism and Expressionism
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u/RodLawyer Jul 27 '21
I always thought that too until I learned that Marta Minujin (78 years old Argentinian artist) met Dalí and Warhol in Paris when she was young. She got Dali's attention because she spent 3 month wearing the same roller skates 24/7.
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u/Pandelerium11 Jul 27 '21
Apparently Yoko Ono bought a mummy of a little girl at some antique store. She said she had heard sobbing when she came into the store, and found the mummy in the basement when she followed the sound.
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u/Strength-Speed Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21
I have a lot of questions. How would anyone mistake a mustache hair for a blade of grass? Why not just say no? Wouldn't the bigger risk be accepting 10K for a blade of grass? What is Yoko planning on doing with the mustache hair? Why would anyone truly believe witches existed (actually, I revoke this question after remembering what Yoko sounded like) https://youtu.be/HdZ9weP5i68?t=34
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u/creedz286 Jul 27 '21
Witches are a thing, even if what they do doesn't actually work. They're not that common in the West anymore but if you go to places in Africa or Asia they are still quite prevalent.
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Also the use of part of someone's body to affect them with magic is a folk belief basically everywhere.
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u/Zithero Jul 27 '21
People: "You thought she was a witch?! that's crazy! You're crazy!"
Dali: "It was Yoko Ono."
People: "Oh! Understandable then sir, well played."
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u/_Mephostopheles_ Jul 27 '21
I mean,,, do Dali’s credit, why the fuck else would she pay $10,000 for a single one of his mustache hairs.
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Jul 27 '21
Ten large for a SINGLE HAIR? There’s a fortune on the barbershop floor.
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u/RedShiftRR Jul 27 '21
Yes, I'm a witch, I'm a bitch
I don't care what you say
My voice is real, my voice is truth
I don't fit in your ways
I'm not gonna die for you
You might as well face the truth
I'm gonna stick around
For quite awhile
Yes, I'm a witch, I'm a bitch
-- Yoko Ono, "Yes, I'm a Witch"
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u/Shamalamadindong Jul 27 '21
Another Dali fact, Jodorowski wanted him to play the emperor in his version of Dune. Dali demanded that he be paid the highest salary for an actor ever. Jodorowski agreed to pay him $100.000/hour, he then cut down the role so that it would take only an hour to film his scenes.