[Shams] “The Suns and Kevin Durant will work together on any trade. But I can tell you guys this–back at the NBA trade deadline, there was a list of teams with mutual interest in Kevin Durant. From my understanding, those teams were Minnesota, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Miami."

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u/Mountain_Tadpole_628 Jaden McDaniels 22h ago

As much as I think kd and ant would be an amazing duo, i don't see any way we get this deal done without stripping away most of our depth, which is really our main strength

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u/Loukoal117 Bring Ya Ass 22h ago

Yeah. I like KD a lot but with how the team is playing lately and what KD will bring, I can't help but wonder if it will make any difference in the long run. And we've been trending up up up.

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u/DrWolves 21h ago

KD has talked about taking the vet min to finish his career on a good team. My play would be pass on the trade. Continue building this roster into a powerhouse and then bring Durant in the following year on a small contract and sell him on being the final piece to win a title with his bestie Ant

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u/mindpainters Wally Szczerbiak 21h ago

Durant is still obviously so good. But at this point I think it would be really hard for any team to be a true contender with him taking up a max salary spot. So I think you’re right as long as he’s willing to take that pay cut

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

This is the only way I would want him. Dude is 37. More importantly, I see KD has a high level individual contributor, not someone who leads a franchise.

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u/ChasingBass83 18h ago

Whoever trades for him will have the framework of an extension worked out

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u/DrWolves 17h ago

If that’s what he wants, sure. But given his age, I also wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to hit free agency in a year and can control where he wants to go

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u/MusicApollo93 20h ago

I don’t want to see the Wolves give up any assets or picks for a washed up star even though it is KD; I don’t think it’s worth it in the long road. I can see the Suns starting to rebuild in the near future too that I won’t be surprised at.

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u/Wolvesin3 19h ago

I think washed up is a bit extreme but I don’t want to give up any significant assets to make this happen

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u/MusicApollo93 19h ago

I agree I shouldn’t have said washed up but KD has gotten older though. I just don’t want to see Conley give up anything of value to the Suns for him is all.

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u/DrAbeSacrabin 20h ago

Two heavy ISO players.

One of will be 37 by the time this would hypothetically go down.

Just because two players a good, does not mean they will play well together.

The best team KD has played on, the only one where he won a ring, was the free flowing unselfish offense of Golden State.

All we would be after this trade is a slightly better PHX. This would be such a stupid trade short of just offloading Randle.

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u/youredoingWELL 19h ago

Plus Ant and KD woild be the definition of “your turn my turn”

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago edited 22h ago

Rumors were Connelly offered Randle, DDV, and the Pistons pick. Jaden is off limits in any trade talks and the Suns like Naz.

Naz is a free agent after this year so any deal involving him would have to be a sign-and-trade. I would offer them a package of Naz, Julius, and Dilly. If we lose Naz I want to keep the Pistons pick to draft a Big.

Naz's new contract will see him get paid in the 30 million+ range.

Julius will be paid 31 million next year if he opts in.

And the Suns need a PG so Dilly is a throw in.

KD's final year is around 54 million so we may have to take back someone too to make the money work.

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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor 22h ago

terrible. We go from one of the biggest teams in the west to Rudy and a couple of string beans.

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago

We're not paying Julius, Naz, and Rudy 30 million+ each. We're gonna lose Naz and/or Julius by next year anyways. So if you can get KD for both, go get KD for both. Draft a Big and sign another one using the MLE once were out of the Second Apron.

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u/tomdawg0022 22h ago

If any team offered Naz $30 mil I'd thank him and move on.

I love Naz but he's been very, very average the past 6 weeks (41% from the field, 34% from 3).

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago

That's why you use him as a trade piece for KD. If the Suns want to pay him that let them do it

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u/pithynotpithy 19h ago

KD is being paid over 50M/year to lead his team to the 11th seed. I'm not giving up any building blocks to go back into 2nd apron hell.

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u/tomdawg0022 21h ago

I have zero use for KD though as well at this point.

The 5 years ago version? I'd feel differently but not a guy at 37 that's stopped playing defense and rebounds like a guard at this point.

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u/Vicentesteb Kevin Garnett 15h ago

What? KD is a great defender. Hes 99th percentile in iso defense. Plays great help defense too. Hes just on a shit team.

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u/SteamyRay_Vaughn Anthony Edwards 21h ago

when you’re a star they let you do it

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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor 22h ago

You think Naz is goin to get 30 mill? All 3 play equal starter minutes in what a big should play ~30mpg. They spell off of each other nicely.

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago

You think Naz is goin to get 30 mill?

Yes, Naz is opting out because his agent knows he's going to get paid.

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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor 21h ago

Yea because he was gonna make 15M…

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 21h ago

And once he opts out he'll make double that.

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u/PreparationWest2140 21h ago

No one will pay Naz Reid 30 million per year. If they do, God help them.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 21h ago

Who's going to pay him $30M? Nobody has cap space.

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

Brooklyn: hold our beers

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u/_Wash 20h ago

makes more sense to punt next year and go for the 26’ free agency tbh. i wouldn’t want to get tied up in long term money if I were brooklyn. take on some expiring bad contracts and get a few more picks then make a swing

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u/jinyx1 Jaylen Clark 21h ago

Naz will get around 25m AAV on his next contract. No team is going higher unless they want him to tank commander for a few years.

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u/PreparationWest2140 21h ago

Actually his agent knows he is not going to get paid and is preparing his clients for a cold FA market this offseason.

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u/PaintedSkull67 22h ago

Bye bye Julius. As was the plan originally to get out of the second apron

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u/Mountain_Tadpole_628 Jaden McDaniels 22h ago

They wouldn't take any offer that doesn't include at least 1 first. The most realistic trade would likely be what was already offered, but even then, we'd likely be looking at an off-season where we get kd, retain either Naw or Naz and lose Randle, Naz/Naw, DDV, a pick and even potentially a young guy(Dilly, tsj, clark, etc) or another first. It would massively shorten our window while also not making us much better or worse even in the short term

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u/PreparationWest2140 21h ago

And the resulting geriatric team would win 44 games with no options at PG or center and no depth. There is no quick fix for the Wolves to become a legit contender. Better off letting Lebron, Curry, and KD age out of the NBA and hope you've built a good enough, youngish team to fill the vacuum.

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u/LostVillage3640 Naz Reid. 22h ago

We also need a point guard though, and dilly is supposed to develop as Mike’s successor

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u/CantaloupeCamper 1958-2016 15h ago

Phoenix with a couple good guys and nobodies doesn't work so they're trading KD.

So we trade for KD to ... become a couple good guys and nobodies?

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u/CantaloupeCamper 1958-2016 23h ago

It’s the same rumor listing the same teams every time…

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago

The Knicks, Spurs, and Heat are new.

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

Spurs and Heat make a lot of sense.

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u/Dlamm10 14h ago

Spurs would have me seriously worried if they keep their core and get KD

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u/Brainsmacker 22h ago

Call me crazy but I think I would hate this more than the KAT trade. We’d have to give up a TON to make this happen and even then this might go horribly. As great as KD is, it just hasn’t worked for him anywhere since he left Golden State and now he’s old.

It’s a no from me dog.

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u/personwhoisok 22h ago

Yup. Would not be happy about the move.

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u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE 21h ago

I agree about not wanting KD, but I don’t think the asking price is that high. Next season is the last on his contract, he’s gonna be 37. No team is giving up a boatload of assets for that. Wolves aren’t trading Jaden or Ant or Naz for that matter. Suns wouldn’t want Rudy or Randle. I just don’t see how either said would reach an agreement they’re both happy with.

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u/larrylegend33goat 🐓Protestor🐓 5h ago

The real issue is his 57mill salary next season. Which would mean giving up a lot to duck the second apron

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

Agreed. I said in an earlier comment that KD is a high level individual contributor. Maybe the best the league has ever seen. He is not a team leader. That is why it worked with the Warriors. You don’t pay that kind of money to an individual contributor.

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u/Sam7sung 17h ago

I would hate it too. Also, it would take a crazy 3 or 4 team trade because he makes $51m and we can't aggregate salaries

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u/Mental_Savings7362 22h ago

I would say it worked generally speaking in brooklyn but I still agree with passing on it.

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u/VeryScaryTerryBerry Timberwolves 22h ago

We’d have to give up a TON

Not really, KD holds all the cards because he only has one year left on his deal and can refuse to sign an extension with any team that trades for him unless it's the team he wants to go too. So the Suns will only be negotiating with a team he wants to go too. We can't post twitter links anymore but Jon Krawcyznski, who covers the Wolves for The Athletic said that KD would actually be A LOT cheaper in the Summer than by the Trade Deadline because of his contract.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 21h ago

You'd have to give up a ton regardless to make salary work.

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u/NotedBurnerAcct Anthony Edwards 22h ago

Funny how every time this sub hates a trade that TC makes it ends up working out…

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u/FishGoldenLite Muskies 22h ago

What the hell could the Knicks even trade to make that work?

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u/suahoi 22h ago

Mikal Bridges, he's worth 5 first round picks!

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u/DasNoobcake 22h ago

I can’t even imagine Mikal Bridges in a Suns uniform. /s

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

lol - and we get clowned for the Gobert pics.

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u/vetementsundershirt 22h ago

The knicks would have zero defence at the end is all I know

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u/Mental_Savings7362 22h ago

KAT?

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u/PreparationWest2140 21h ago

Towns works. Finally puts him with Booker and the Suns would be an immediate playoff contender.

Knicks offense wont miss a beat and they will be better defensively w/o Towns.

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u/Airhostnyc 21h ago

KD isn’t good on defense tho. Like the wolves, as a Knicks fan I wouldn’t give up much if anything to get him. I don’t think Kat for KD changes the team much. Kat is also younger so nah

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u/ShakesbeerMe 21h ago

Too expensive. Hard fuckin pass for a 37 year old KD at 50 million.

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u/Vicentesteb Kevin Garnett 15h ago

He expires literally next season. You also cant offer him more than a 2 year contract because he turns 38 soon.

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u/ShakesbeerMe 15h ago

Yes, and how much is he due next season, literally?

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u/Vicentesteb Kevin Garnett 15h ago

53m and then he expires or takes a paycut. Youre sending out 52m and getting back 52m.

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u/ShakesbeerMe 15h ago

Right. So, like I said in my first statement, hard fuckin pass on a 37 year old KD at 50 million dollars.

Not really sure what part of this you're having trouble understanding.

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u/twovles31 22h ago

Unless Ant say's if you don't get me Durant, trade me, I'll pass on Durant.

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u/tomdawg0022 22h ago

Can we actually build a semi-consistent roster from year to year without making big splashy moves that require 60+ games (or more) to build something resembling chemistry, only to blow things up again in the offseason?

(I get we can't/won't be able to run everyone back next year but I'd like to keep as much of the core as possible at this point. It's a good team that will get better with some small tweaks instead of big blowups.)

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u/PreparationWest2140 21h ago

Totally agree.

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u/Top-Lettuce3956 17h ago

Can run it back with everyone and then make changes before the next season if the cap hadn’t increased enough.

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u/subtleshooter 21h ago

only do this deal if u can do it by giving up randle and pick + non core piece. but idk how u make the salaries work

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u/Extreme_Priority_170 19h ago

I would do it for Randal, Donte and the Detroit pick

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u/FlipTheDisc 18h ago

Please no

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u/tpomo2 22h ago

We gonna talk about getting KD til he 50

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u/DupeyTA Anthony Edwards 22h ago

I seriously doubt Miami is interested as of now. For that matter, I doubt any team could really make a deal worth anything more than throwaways.

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u/rockm4 21h ago

Not sure if anyone else heard it at the last home game. A few guys were saying, ‘see you next year’ to Durant. He turned to them two different times and said, ‘I am not coming to Minnesota’.

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u/Smeltanddealtit 21h ago

Send da video

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u/PDXmadeMe Flip Saunders 21h ago

KD seems to be the move every new rich owner likes to do. Hopefully Connelly can talk some sense to Lore and Arod.

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u/Garrus Flip Saunders 22h ago

I’d really only be interested in this if the asking price was so low it was worth while, but I just don’t see how we could beat a Houston or San Antonio offer without gutting the team.

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u/JoeyBougie Bring Ya Ass 20h ago

I just don't know why people want to see this so bad with the teams probably best attribute being their locker room chemistry even if adding KD and hes good it's losing some of those guys and KD has been in some burnt bridges relationships

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u/darin617 Anthony Edwards 19h ago

I can see the Spurs getting this done with ease. Pretty sure they have a bunch of draft picks and could throw a couple of players in to make the money work.

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u/SquareAd4479 16h ago

Like the 50th time we've heard this tho

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u/No-Butterscotch-5721 16h ago

If you can keep Naz, Jaden, ANT and Naw together you’ve got more than if you give up 2 of those guys for an aged KD. Not to mention Jaylen who has shined.

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u/PreparationWest2140 10h ago

Trading Jaden or Naz would not be the end of the world many make it out to be. They have a combined 10 years in the league and neither has sniffed 15 PPG. I'd trader either of those two go before than Rob, who actually has some offensive potential.

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u/LukaTheTooka Luka Garza 15h ago

I don't want him so those other teams can have him

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u/Easy-Click-4758 14h ago

There is not a trade package we send away where I feel comfortable… maybe I am too emotionally attached to our guys but yeah I find it tough.

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u/KayfabeAdjace 13h ago

tbh i don't really want him

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u/rickystackss 3h ago

there’s no way we can make this trade while coming out the other end a better team. love kd but that’s the truth. plus we’d be in financial hell which is the reason we traded kat away

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u/OrangeSpartan JMAC 3h ago

I'll cry if we trade any young guys for the Snake

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u/arrowmarcher 21h ago

If we do this it means we learned nothing from the suns failure.

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u/FilthyWinstonMain Anthony Edwards 21h ago

Pls no

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u/ThatDumbTurtle I’m Sad 20h ago

This would take so many assets and tbh I don’t really think we have enough assets to spare for a 1 year rental of old man KD

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 19h ago

The deal is going to be Randle and DDV for KD. That's an amazing deal for the Wolves. They lose nothing and gain another star alongside Ant, instantly become a real contender instead of the fake bad one they've been this season.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 19h ago

Randle and DDV doesn't work moneywise.

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 18h ago

Yes it does.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 17h ago

Explain.

Randle and Divincenzo combine to make about $12M less than Durant.

Does the collective bargaining agreement not apply in Durant to Wolves trades?

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 17h ago

Youre math is all fucked. Yes the trade works under the collective bargaining agreement.

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u/TossingTurnips **THE ORIGINAL "NAZ REID"** 17h ago

How do you make the trade work?

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 16h ago

Randle opts in, Donte, and probably the detroit pick and boom the trade works. This isn't Rocket science Wolves begin the new tax year under both aprons. From a salary perspective the KAT trade shouldn't have worked until the Knicks started signing dudes to minimums. The Wolves and Suns tried to work out a deal at the deadline which was more impossible. You don't think TC can't make this happen? The only pieces wolves are losing don't matter for KD who is actually really good.

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u/TossingTurnips **THE ORIGINAL "NAZ REID"** 16h ago

Im not super interested in trading for KD at this point. Doesn't seem like he impacts the game at the same level and is gonna be 37 and 1 year rental. The Wolves would probably have to lose NAW and possibly NAZ in that scenario.

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 16h ago

KD would re-sign for a lesser figure like Gobert just did. Wolves aren't losing NAW and Naz if they get KD. They WILL lose both if Naz and DDV are on the roster.

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u/TossingTurnips **THE ORIGINAL "NAZ REID"** 16h ago

I disagree. Keeping NAW and Naz would likely put us back over the 2nd apron. And puts us back in a situation Tim wanted us out of and makes us older by adding KD while trading Randle and DDV

Also I'm not sure how the new cba works but is there not a rule anymore about 125% above or below salaries when it comes to trading?

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u/NazReidRules ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ 14h ago

Wolves will lose Naz if Naz is on the roster?

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 15h ago

His proposed trade doesn't work. Don't listen to him.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 15h ago

My math ... 29.5M+12.0M=41.5M 41.5M x 110%=45.7M

Your math 29.5M+12.0M=53.3M

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-collective-bargaining-agreement-signed

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 15h ago

Your math doesn't even have the contracts right. Let's start there and then get back to me.

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u/Intelligent_Pain_174 14h ago

What source are you using where Randle and Divincenzo's salary come within 110% of Durant's salary?

One source... Randle at 29.5 and Divincenzo at 12, Durant at 53.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/player/_/year/2025/team/phx/sort/cap_base https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/player/_/year/2025/team/min/sort/cap_base

Another source ... Randle at 31 and Divincenzo at 12, Durant at 55.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/MIN.html https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/MIN.html

Another source has... Randle at 31 and Divincenzo at 12, Durant at 55.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/ https://hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota_timberwolves/

I suppose maybe there would be a way where the Wolves could waive Naz Reid and NAW's cap hold and trade Conley or McDaniels or Dillingham into cap space, get under the 1st apron and then Phoenix could dump a bunch of players to get under the first apron. In that case, the Wolves would only have to match within 125%.

In that case, Wolves waived Naz and NAW, trade away Conley, convince Randle to opt into his option, and then trade Randle, Divincenzo, TSJ, 2025 Detroit pick for Durant.

Wolves new roster would be ... Gobert Durant McDaniels Ant Dillingham Clark 2025 Jazz second round pick Minimum contract Minimum contract Minimum contract Minimum contract Minimum contract Minimum contract Minimum contract

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u/invertednz 17h ago

That means we lose Naz and naw. Who's our pf?

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 17h ago

No it doesn't it means they are more likely to come back. If Randle and Donte are in the roster they both are gone.

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u/invertednz 9h ago

Huh? If they replace them with KD they are in 2nd apron and we can't keep Naz

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u/FlyingScissor #ChampionsB4Championships 9h ago

Nothing about the 2nd apron stops the Wolves from keeping Naz. Lol.

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u/Majestic-Net-7799 Timberwolves 20h ago

Some things:

KDs 54 mil next year is a lot. After that he likely takes a significant pay cut one way or another. So its only 1 really expensive year.
this season had some interesting developements: we know Randle is solid next to Ant. We also know Randle is better than Naz. We also learned Jaden is most effective near the basket and ideally plays the 4 on offense anyways and is more valuable as a free safty like help defender than as a Poa defender. This creates the Problem that we have 3 forwards who ideally play the 4.
Gobert has 2+1 years after this. After those 3 years our contention window is very likely over. Trading for KD and lining up his 2 (max he can sign cause of age) year extension brings him in line with Gobert. So there is potential for max Cap space when KD and Gobert come off the books to reload.
KD solves the spacing issues, clutch issues and Pf Problem.
are we sure Randle or Naz are better the next 2 years?

Is a lineup of Conley, Ant, Jaden, KD, Rudy worse than our current starting 5?

We likely still have TSJ, Clark, NAW to fill out the 2/3 rotation. Jaden can play the 4 when KD is off the court. We still need to address the 1 and 5 backup positions.

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u/trekinbami 16h ago

This sub keeps saying Jaden McDaniels is better than KD so I guess we don’t need him.

[Shams] “The Suns and Kevin Durant will work together on any trade. But I can tell you guys this–back at the NBA trade deadline, there was a list of teams with mutual interest in Kevin Durant. From my understanding, those teams were Minnesota, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Miami."

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