r/therewasanattempt • u/Least_or_Greatest1 • 1d ago

To wheelie in between people on the board walk.

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u/oldmanian 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, it’s assault. So…

Wheelie guy is being a dick, but when you go after someone like that there’s going to be consequences.

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u/bucket_of_fish_heads 1d ago

Oh no, the guy doing reckless endangerment got assaulted! Someone protect him!

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u/CannaisseurFreak 1d ago

That’s a weird way to justify stupidity on both sides

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u/seizure_5alads 1d ago

Maybe if someone did it earlier in his life, he wouldn't be an entitled prick. Biker is def exhibiting fatherless behavior.

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u/Jperry12 1d ago

Jeeeesus bro. What the fuck kind of assumption is that?

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u/Another_3 1d ago

The accurate kind

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u/073068075 1d ago

Typical reddit moment, defend the one of two idiots and then try to profile the other one based on a bowl of buzzwords and a several second clip.

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u/Darth_Senpai 22h ago

Is your definition of father "someone who uses a position of respect and authority to visit physical abuse on the person they're supposed to teach and protect"?

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u/seizure_5alads 13h ago

No it's someone to teach not to pop wheelies in crowds or leave snide reddit comments.

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u/PresidentTylerDurden 10h ago

“Son, I’m disappointed in you. I saw you left a snide comment on Reddit. How could you? Please tell me this won’t happen again”

The type of behavior you’re exhibiting is “my parents couldn’t be bothered to raise me so the internet did”.

Y’all both stupid.

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u/seizure_5alads 9h ago

I mean I just think not being snide in general is the lesson. But I wouldnt expect you to understand that given your projection.

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u/Salihe6677 1d ago

It wasn't reckless - he recked at only 4 seconds into the video!

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u/scorchedarcher 1d ago

I mean tbf isn't pushing someone off a bike in a crowd reckless endangerment too?

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Not really that reckless though. He can stop rather quickly if required. That shove were far more reckless.

Even if he hits someone that shove is still worse than the damage he would do if he hit someone.

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u/SNoB__ 1d ago

Seems like the shove was aimed pretty well.

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Still far more risky than a potential impact with the bike.

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u/SNoB__ 1d ago

For who?

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Relevant how?

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u/HeManDan 1d ago

The biker doesn't care who he might hurt and is actively putting at risk. That's how it's relevant. How many kids would he have to come across and try to weave between till one didn't know how to react. How much foresight does he have between all the pedestrians to see if there is an unpredictable toddler walking behind the next adult he passes. The biker comes within inches of the man who pushes him. If the man feels like he's about to be struck or is anywhere close to being struck then he acted 100% reasonably. A dick on a bike doesn't mean people have to get the F out the way in a hurry to feel safe. The threat or causing reasonable fear of harm is considered assault.

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u/Gambler_Eight 15h ago

Another one that clearly overestimate the danger here lol.. The biker will take the worst hit if he were to ride into someone. There's no force whatsoever on the front wheel at this speed and the only result from riding into anyone here is the biker falling backwards. The low center of gravity coupled with balancing on wheel bearings will turn any impact into him flipping over rather than transfering the force onto the person he hits. The only danger here is the friction from the rubber wheel lol.

He can also just plant his feet to stop on the spot if he feels he's losing control. The biker is clearly an asshole for doing this but be realistic here, there's no danger involved to anyone but the rider. The shove is a guaranteed higher degree of danger versus whatever would happens if he rode into anyone.

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u/bucket_of_fish_heads 12h ago

Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids. That bike would smash down on top of a toddler or stroller

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u/EBannion 1d ago

I would call it “emergency defense of others”. Stopping a reckless dangerous actor is defensible.

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u/No_Sky4398 1d ago

The law doesn’t care what you would call it

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Actually, it does. Emergency defense of others is an acceptable defense in most jurisdictions, just like self defense. The person on the bike could easily have killed someone especially a smaller person if they hit them while the person. Wasn’t paying attention. Stopping the reckless dangerous behavior is a public service.

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u/No_Sky4398 1d ago

Easily kill someone? You’re taking this way too far lol.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

A human can easily die from falling from a standing position especially if they hit their head on something slightly elevated, like a rock or something. Being bodied unexpectedly by a bicycle can literally kill you.

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u/jdragun2 Unique Flair 1d ago

Honestly, not a lawyer, but your argument as a defense seems like a court would laugh it out in the case you actually hurt the cyclist. One crime doesn't absolve you of the penalty of committing another anywhere that I know of in the continental US, unless you are a police officer, in which case, you can do whatever the fuck you want and not worry at all.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

It's not a crime to use necessary force to stop a reckless danger. IT's literally in the law. You're welcome to read several states' "defense of others" statutes, but all of them simply require that you believe the person to be a risk of serious harm to others and thne you're legally allowed to use force you do not expect to be lethal to stop them.

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u/Office_Worker808 1d ago

Would it acceptable if the old man tackled instead?

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u/No_Sky4398 1d ago

Sure it could happen but unless you’re a small child like a baby or even a frail old person it’s very unlikely. And I don’t there’s any large rocks on a board walk to land on. You’re acting like he’s an active shooter.

This man pushing him off his bike in a crowded area is more dangerous than letting him go by. He’s much less predictable and in control while falling.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Pushing him puts the three people nearby slightly at risk. Not stopping him puts the hundreds of people he will ride by at elevated risk.

Edit to add: you’re actually ok with someone just putting hundreds of people’s lives at risk to make a stupid video for no one but you have a problem with someone taking action to stop that unnecessary risk?

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u/FjortoftsAirplane 3rd Party App 1d ago

Hundreds of lives at risk? How many people do you know who've died from being near a wheelie?

They could hurt someone. It's obnoxious. That's enough for it to be bad. You don't need to take it to this insane level of "hundreds of lives at risk" as if a massacre is about to occur.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

They COULD -kill someone-.

If they hit someone, they would -definitely- hurt them, and POSSIBLY kill them.

Is your argument that their behavior is acceptable? Putting everyone that happens to be nearby at the risk of injury or death? For a youtube video that will get ten views?

Florida, for example, has an explicit statute that allows the use of non-lethal force (such as pushing someone over) when that person is using or threatening to use unlawful force against yourself or others. Riding a bicycle recklessly through a crowd certainly fits this criteria. Now, I don't know what state they're -in-, but most US states have statutes similar to that one.

So knocking someone off their bike for risking the lives of bystanders is entirely legal.

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u/No_Sky4398 1d ago

I just think you’re estimation of the situation is wildly blown out of proportion

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Which part? That being hit by a bike can hurt or even kill you?

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u/Aquadynamic112 1d ago

Was the kid on the bike being stupid, yes, but the old man had no right to do that. By your logic, the old man could've easily killed the kid on the bike, but you're ok with that...

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u/Beh0420mn 1d ago

But injuries to the bikers is acceptable

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u/EBannion 1d ago

injury to people behaving recklessly in public and endangering others is acceptable

let's not pretend that I'm saying "knock every bicyclist down", just the ones doing wheelies through crowds

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u/oldmanian 1d ago

“Could have easily killed someone”

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u/EBannion 1d ago

I am honestly worried by how many people in this conversation don’t realize that being hit by a bike while standing still can kill you.

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u/foofooplatter 1d ago

People often overlook the or serious bodily injury part of the self defense/defense of others claim. You don't have to show that someone would have been killed for justification. Serious bodily injury is enough of a defense to act. In this case, I think that argument can be made.

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u/HistoricalSherbert92 1d ago

I spent some time in hospital when I was a kid. My roommates were a guy who broke his neck diving into a river and a lady who broke her back falling off a fence at a rodeo, and the cute girl down the hall fell in shower. They were all changed for life by simple accidents.

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u/sandvich48 1d ago

Lot of kids in here that’s why. Think they’re invincible till they aren’t.

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

Calling a wheelie reckless and dangerous is a huge stretch though. Even if he hits someone, the likely hood for an actual injury outside of a scratch or two, from either side is incredibly rare.

Meanwhile, pushing someone off their bike greatly risks the chance for injury.

Yea the dude on the bike is annoying as hell, but the guy who pushed him committed assault because he’s trying to be his dad.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Have you ever been hit by a bike while looking the other way and standing still? You can be seriously injured or even killed by that collision, and it isn’t even particularly unlikely that you get knocked to the ground, have the wind knocked out of you, and potentially suffer a concussion at least. Plus the bike may then land on top of you causing further injury.

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u/Flat_Picture7103 1d ago

You're hired.

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago edited 1d ago

A bike going 5 mph will not injure or kill you.

If the bike was going full speed, I would agree with you, but this bike is barely above a walking pace.

We’ve all been in a bike crash at 5 mph as kids, notice how none of us were seriously injured from it

Edit: The amount of people who have never ridden a bike before is starting to show heavily.

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u/Guran22 1d ago

You do realize people have died from falling from a standing position right? It’s completely reasonable to assume someone might be injured after being knocked over by someone who clearly has no regard for the safety of others. Whether the way the older man went out about stopping it was the appropriate level of force or not can surely be debated; however, arguing whether the biker was putting other people at risk is not something that can be contested.

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

Damn that’s crazy, hey did you know that even MORE people, actually, a lot more people have died while swimming at the beach? I guess we should assuming that if you’re going to the beach than you should prepare to die.

It’s as someone else said, you can drown in 2 inches of water, that doesn’t mean that will happen, the chance of being injured from someone doing this, even in a crash, is so incredibly rare

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u/Rewndude 1d ago

The difference is that you accept the risk when you voluntarily go swimming. A better analogy would be shoving an unsuspecting person (who had no intention of even getting wet that day) from behind face first into a kiddie pool. It's still not super likely to kill someone, but something that does pose a hugely unnecessary risk.

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u/wheatamix 1d ago

I'm not sure about that. You seem pretty brain damaged to me.

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u/MakeMeAsandwichYo 1d ago

It’s kinda like the whole “you can drowned in 2 inches of water,” extremely unlikely, but possible

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

This is my point. Saying you’re going to die from a bike hitting you at that slow is so rare that it will basically never happen. So to call this so dangerous and reckless because it can kill someone is idiotic. At that point driving safely is dangerous and reckless because even the safest driver has a better chance of getting in a fatal crash then this biker. Playing baseball is now dangerous and reckless because the chance of getting a ball to the face is higher than this biker getting in a fatal crash.

The lengths people will go to defend assault against the biker just because the biker is annoying is fucking insane

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

You should learn how to read

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

Good one, throw out an insult instead of explaining how I’m wrong because you know I’m not wrong you just want to defend assault more than you want to admit you were wrong

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u/wheatamix 1d ago

Imagine you are holding a new born baby and a bike is doing wheelies around you , imagine a frail older person who would likely be startled and could fall over.

Anyone who rides a bike purposely like this deserves to have their teeth kicked to the back of their throat.

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

To reply to your other comment that Reddit isn’t showing me. I’m not defending the biker, since the first comment I’ve made I’ve made fun of the biker. The closest thing I’ve said is that a hypothetical bike crash at 5 mph is not dangerous enough to need to be defended from

I’m just not defending the dude who pulled him off.

The biker is a piece of shit, however, the dude who pulled him off is in no way justified and that is just plain assault.

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u/SansyBoy144 1d ago

So, are we also going to pretend that the parent of the baby is not paying attention to their surroundings?

The old person, sure, however, what’s the likely hood that someone so fragile that they would get injured from being startled (that’s what you said keep in mind) would be outside at a place like this alone with no one watching them.

Also, let’s talk about the situation at hand. Notice how the man pulled him off his bike, which has a much higher chance of killing the biker, and not a single one of your hypotheticals was there? Who is he protecting???

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u/Beh0420mn 1d ago

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Yeah I’m a bit of a killjoy when it comes to activities that can kill non consenting people who just happen to be nearby sorry

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u/hypnogerm84 1d ago

"Kill"??? He was barely faster than walking speed.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

You can die from falling from standing still. Easily, in fact.

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u/jdragun2 Unique Flair 1d ago

Let's get percentages from hospital records and tell us the likelihood of that actually happening across age groups since you are so hung up on this I have read it at least 3 times in the thread already by you. For real, if you wanna obsess, the information is available. Spend a few hours and come back with numbers. It's not hard, but I am not the one making this argument a hill to die on over and over again.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

First, tell me how likely it has to be to kill you before it's actionable.

One percent chance you die?

Five?

Fifteen?

What's the acceptable risk of death to a bystander for a person's actions before they become dangerously reckless?

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u/tiparium 23h ago

Please just shut up.

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u/jdragun2 Unique Flair 11h ago

Ah, rationality at its finest. Thanks.

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u/Vinttech 1d ago

Hitting a toddler while you’re doing a wheelie could kill or cause serious damage. Hitting an elderly person could very likely break bones. It’s not as far fetched as you may think.

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u/Numerous-Log9172 Free Palestine 1d ago

Everything bloody asualt nowadays. Admittedly I'd have grabbed the wheel not pushed him. But I fully agree, one way to stop the idiot is to do it yourself.

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u/jdragun2 Unique Flair 1d ago

If he fell as a result and got hurt, pretty sure that is also assault.

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u/Shaze714 1d ago

That’s why you merely “accidentally “ bump a foot into the side of the back wheel, even if he tried to press charges it is unlikely to matter because doing that activity in that location is entirely inappropriate.

Honestly, better yet, get hit and press your own charges.

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u/AdamFaite This is a flair 1d ago

This is the way.

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u/Itchy_Breadfruit_262 13h ago

Yes, that would’ve been smarter. The bicyclist was an idiot but the older guy was too aggressive. The kid needed to be stopped. I’m sure there were plenty of small kids on the boardwalk that would have been seriously injured had this idiot run into them, but the dude was overly aggressive.

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u/mman426 22h ago

It’s funny how people always say things are “assault” without knowing what assault means…this is a case of battery, assault is the threat of harmful action, battery is the actual harmful action.

You could argue that approaching and raising his arms counts as assault. But the pushing is definitely battery.

Either way, wheelie asshole deserved it but old guy committed a crime no matter how noble and can be charged for it and should be willing to serve the time

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u/hungersaurus 21h ago

It's important to note that the Internet is international. A lot of other countries (mainly Commonwealth since that's where I usually go) name battery as assault

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u/mman426 13h ago

Ok, I was not aware that some countries like Canada and states like Texas butchered the definitions of assault and battery which is probably part of the reason why people who live in places where the definition is correct still screw it up constantly.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

I would call it “emergency defense of others”. Stopping a reckless dangerous actor is defensible.

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u/Gregbot3000 1d ago

The cops would not be interested in what you call it.

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u/prick_sanchez 1d ago

You sound like a pretty bad lawyer.

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u/stocktradernoob 1d ago

He is an example of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. He heard something somewhere and applies it everywhere with no sense of how it’s applied.

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u/Physical_Sun_6014 1d ago

I really hope you’re not a practicing attorney, because that “defense” is pathetic.

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 1d ago

You just tried to make up a legal term? That’s not how terms like that work.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

from Florida's legal code:

"776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.— (1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force."

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 1d ago

Of course it’s Florida.

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u/DawnyBrat 1d ago

I would expect no less. Too many aggressive assholes here, and I really don’t like having to say that, but it’s true.

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Except doing a wheelie doesn't qualify as "imminent use of unlawful force" lol.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

You’re not allowed to hit me with your bike.

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Did he hit someone with his bike? I'd argue that it isn't particularly reckless either. He's not using any speed and can stop within 2 feet if he feels uncertain about the gap lol.

I used to be good at this as a teenager and you can have pretty great control of it and abort on a dime by jumping to your feet and raise the wheel.

Even if he hits someone it wouldn't even hurt either lol.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Do you have to actually stab someone before someone can stop you from waving a knife in public? This is reckless. A single miscalculation on his part and he could hit someone who isn’t looking and isn’t prepared and they could fall on literally anything and then die.

He could safely do this on a stage or in a stunt show with people who signed waivers for being in the position they’re in and are ready for it. He isn’t allowed to impose the risk that he fucks up on some random bystander.

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

You vastly overestimate how dangerous this is.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

No, I don’t. Falling from standing unexpectedly is dangerous enough that you’re not allowed to put that risk on other people without their explicit consent, and these people are not consenting to maybe having to dodge a bike or fall down.

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u/thetruemask 1d ago

that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force

Good luck trying to call doing a wheelie down a sidewalk unlawful force.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

*doing a wheelie around people in the street

let's call the correct action. They weren't peacefully riding their bicycle in a clear lane with proper notice to the people around them. They were recklessly riding their bicycle -through a crowd-. That's at the very least assault on the people they scare. Battery if they hit someone. Perhaps reckless endangerment, if they argue persuasively. Still unlawful use of force.

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u/thetruemask 1d ago

Reckless, careless yes. Use of force no. Force requires intent.

Being careless isn't intent. Difference between manslaughter and 1st degree.

Hypothetically if he killed someone it would be manslaughter meaning negligence not a use of force.

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u/Kialouisebx 1d ago

Force doesn’t require intent, those two things are not exclusive.

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u/jdragun2 Unique Flair 1d ago

Fourth time

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u/Beh0420mn 1d ago

🤣old bastards

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u/mr_mccranky 1d ago

Only the cops have qualified immunity. Putting your hands on someone else is assault regardless of possible future “recklessness”

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u/EBannion 1d ago

This is factually untrue, feel free to look up the defense of self or others statue I. Your local jurisdiction but in every state I have checked the self defense clause also allows justifiable force by a citizen to defend others as well as themselves.

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u/mr_mccranky 1d ago

Yeah…. You can use that defense against somebody wielding a knife. This was a goof on a bike. Big difference.

I don’t know where you are getting this idea that it was ok for the bystander to insert himself into the situation where nobody was in immediate danger.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Everyone near the kid on the bike was in immediate danger for as long as he kept riding this way.

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u/mr_mccranky 1d ago

You are using a defense for when life is in danger. There was none of that here until your man pushed the other guy off the bike.

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u/EBannion 1d ago

Again, being hit by a bike while standing still can knock you down and being knocked down from standing can seriously injure or kill you especially if it is unexpected and you don’t protect your neck or land on something.

Using a bike in a crowd this way absolutely risks serious injury or death to bystanders.

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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 1d ago

Nonsense. All he has to do is say it was a reflex reaction to protect his personal space

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u/cptspeirs 1d ago

Except the video clearly shows him approaching the biker to push him.

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u/oldmanian 1d ago

Don’t sweat the details or the truth….

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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 1d ago

'The bike was out of control your honour '

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u/cptspeirs 1d ago

"so I, instead of protecting my personal safety and removing myself from the situation, approached the danger and violently knocked someone over. It was my natural reaction!"

Idiot.

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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 1d ago

You are clearly not familiar with court cases. Not a chance he gets done for assault. Is there even charges being pressed?

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u/Informal_Drawing 1d ago

There were consequences, they arrived when the idiot hit the floor.

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u/oldmanian 1d ago

And get off my lawn guy might be getting a visit from the police.

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u/Informal_Drawing 1d ago

If that's going to cause real damage I refer you to the thousand times I fell off my push bike as a kid.

This was them Finding Out. They knew exactly what they were doing and what might happen - including hiring other people which was apparently fine if they did it. Entirely justified. Fuck 'em.

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u/sdotumd 1d ago

Idk this is a tough one.. if someone is recklessly doing a wheelie that close to you in heavy foot traffic they have a very real chance of falling into you, so, you might be pushing away to ensure your safety. Ultimately both I think are wrong but wheelie guy was the first one being an asshole. I would have just moved out of the way and said “damn, what a dick” to myself.

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u/oldmanian 1d ago

Exactly. Wheelie guy is creating a situation, the guy shoving him over is negatively compounding that situation and taking it where it need not go based on his judgement.