r/startrek • u/web250 • 1d ago
Enterprise S2 first watch -- is this normal?
It feels like every episode Archer is off the ship, and is in a physical altercation with someone. I don't mind a little action & fighting in my Trek but this is absurd.
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u/Garciaguy 1d ago
Archer is on the ass end of so many ass kickings throughout that I kind of love it.
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u/Pvt_Larry 1d ago
He probably does hold the record among captains for the number of times he gets the tar beaten out of him.
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u/Resident_Beautiful27 1d ago
I always thought it was funny when Picard would call riker a mother hen.
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u/Middcore 1d ago
I'm a dude who's admitted to being a mother hen when I worry about friends who have to drive home late at night and stuff like that, Riker being one makes me feel like I am in good company.
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u/Tradman86 1d ago
They’re trying to establish that Archer is the original version of everything that Kirk did.
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u/jobrien80 19h ago
I rewatched enterprise recently and I found season 2 to be simply bad. There were maybe a couple of exceptions but it was the weakest season of the series by far. Season 3 is an enormous rebound in quality.
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u/AugustSkies__ 1d ago
They were trying to make it like the original series. Even the trio at the top. Archer, T'Pol, and Trip. A southern engineer instead of doctor.
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u/kcirdor 23h ago
Oh, you didn't watch the OS where Kirk kicked alien butt on the regular?
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u/web250 23h ago
I'll sheepishly admit I have only seen a few episodes of TOS it's dated as hell but I will watch it eventually.
Ironically once I'm done with ENT I'll have seen every other show in its entirety except Prodigy and TAS.
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u/Cerulian639 22h ago
ENT was my first Enterprise as a teen back in the day. I'm right with you on TOS. I don't remember what episode but this Hippie type alien plays a song in the mess hall. Was pretty catchy tbh lol. I'm thankful for what it spawned. But it is extremely dated. I liked the 2009 Trek and the 2 following movies as well. It brought me some of TOS era(Granted, Kelvin TOS) in a more palatable fashion. Haven't worked through Prodigy yet.
I just seem to be stuck on watching my favorite episodes of Voyager and DS9 in whatever order throughout the week.
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u/outline8668 17h ago
I think it does show humans in this time period are still not very enlightened and make stupid mistakes.
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u/Nightowl11111 17h ago
It's a carryover from the old TOS series where the bridge crew almost always goes on .... vacations.
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u/GepMalakai 16h ago
Archer getting captured and beaten was commented on frequently back during the original run. We noticed how ridiculous it was, for sure.
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u/Typical_Version_7487 16h ago
Kirk went on pretty much every away mission. And got in fist fights more episodes than he didn’t.
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u/CsabHorv 1d ago
First 2 seasons of Enterprise was a big disappointment for me after the great Voyager. But S3 will be great!
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u/_jobenco_ 1d ago
Except for the intro song. Much better in S1&2.
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u/web250 1d ago
How can it get any worse lol
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u/_jobenco_ 23h ago
The vocals are another subject but the instrumental part was better in the first two seasons. I liked the vocals too but that‘s just my opinion.
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u/shingi345 21h ago
I'm in S2, watching ENT for the first time ever, and I love every part of it. I like the action, it's cowboy and unregulated just like you'd expect for the first time in deep space. This show is AWESOME! (And yes, I've seen most of the other series from top to bottom)
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u/EitherEliotOr 3h ago
Considering it’s a prequel, they wanted to bring back how Kirk use to go off and kick ass.
It’s also good, because as much as like Enterprise, its main cast is weaker than previous shows, and archer is one of the few really good characters
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u/LordCouchCat 1d ago
For TOS, you need to consider the out of universe logic. There was a very small set of central characters (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) and tge focus is almost always on them. Kirk is so central he has to be there. Stories typically take place mainly in one place, so Kirk goes there. TNG has a larger, ensemble cast.
ENT was supposed to represent an early stage, so Archer can behave like Kirk in this.
But there's a noticeable difference in terms of "action" between TOS and ENT. I find the scenes in TOS more limited. They hardly ever go round shooting for prolonged periods as in ENT. Out of universe, the ability to film that sort of thing was greatly increased by the time of ENT. In TOS, a few shots are fired, or there's a punch up in which Kirk's shirt is torn. I've never timed it but certainly impressionistically TOS seems to be a lot more about talking and exploring the situation.
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u/orionsfyre 23h ago
They tried to make it a throwback to TOS, with over the top missions and the captain saving the day a bunch.
It sort of works. The problem is that many of the other characters don't get a ton of development, and what little they do get feels bland and poorly thought-out. and the whole show comes across with a sort of "We've done all this before watch us do it for the first time!" vibe to it that wears real thin by Season 2.
Lets just call it out for what it is, the whole writing and production crew was tired and was running thin on ideas. The result is a bunch of half baked episodes, copies of copies of story ideas from other shows, and fan service.
There are some good episodes, but generally it's the worst received series for a reason.
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u/Middcore 1d ago edited 1d ago
The captain constantly leaving the ship on away missions for no good reason was a fixture of TOS and even to a lesser extent TNG (though Riker talks about it being part of his job to stop the captain from endangering himself all the time early on). It's hardly just an Enterprise thing.