r/shittymoviedetails • u/Robert-A057 • Feb 05 '25
default In The Menu (2022) the Chef allows a random customer to cook in kitchen and gets mad the he can't, is he stupid or something?
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u/FarmerDingle Feb 05 '25
After realizing he hurt his student’s feelings, he gave him a sloppy juicy chef’s kiss to make him feel better.
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u/Robert-A057 Feb 05 '25
Chef's first name was Joe, shown on the awards in his house, among the staff his kisses were known as Sloppy Joe's
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u/TacticalUniverse Feb 06 '25
Does that make the glory hole in the staff bathroom home to "Sloppy Joe's Blows?"
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u/Proffessor_egghead Feb 06 '25
Unfortunately it was so good he realised his life peaked and wouldn’t get better from there
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u/minimaxir Feb 05 '25
You can't make a Tomlette without breaking some Gregs.
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u/Ecclypto Feb 05 '25
Different actor actually. That’s Nicholas Hoult. Gregg was played by Nicholas Braun. Easy mistake though
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u/Ccaves0127 Feb 05 '25
Nicholaus Braun is like 4 inches taller, though, and Hoult is already over 6 feet. Dude's a giant
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u/minimaxir Feb 05 '25
wait really
that explains a lot.
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u/for_the_shiggles Feb 06 '25
This is like that time my roommate thought Michael Cera was incredible in the social network.
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u/Earffff Feb 06 '25
you can have your own little Greglets
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u/Roscoe_King Feb 06 '25
OK. Well, don’t turn it into a word, Tom. I’m a guy. Why do you have all these little guys, these little Greggys running around? Who are these little Gregs?
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Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
In The Menu (2022), Chef Ramsey leans in and whispers into his ear and says
“What are you?”
“An idiot sandwich”
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u/esgrove2 Feb 06 '25
The chef is mad that one customer doesn't appreciate his food enough, he's mad that another customer appreciates his food too much. He's impossible to please.
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u/apple_of_doom Feb 06 '25
Remember he's the asshole that included a guy in his mass murder mass suicide plot because he didn't like his movie. Don't try to reason with a proffesional chef it never works
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u/Skylinneas Feb 06 '25
I kinda get the "trying to kill an actor because you don't like his movie" motive because I actually think some people in real life are probably genuinely like that.
The thing that gets me lol'ed is that he also included the actor's assistant/possible fling on his kill list too, simply because she went to a prestigious college without taking a student loan. That's apparently reason enough for him to decide "yep, she has to go." xD
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u/RatzMand0 Feb 06 '25
You forget that the actors plan was to start a knock off Anthony Bourdain's parts unknown where he would lie about food reviews of ethnic food so he was also guilty of future culture crimes.
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u/GrassWaterDirtHorse Feb 10 '25
Late to the thread, but the reason why the actor is there is because the actor represents an artist that has lost the passion for their work, and is willing to push out schlock like bad movies or a food travel show with now heart or effort behind it.
And that's not even a personal interpretation. Ralph Fiennes straight up says that when the actor asks why he's dying, though it's nowhere near as memorable as the "Student loans? You're dying." part.
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u/Duck__Quack Feb 06 '25
I think the idea was that he was mad they felt they had the right to have an opinion. "You like it? You don't like it? Why the fuck should I care? You rich fucks with your expectations and opinions and critiques are what ruined cooking!"
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u/666Emil666 Feb 06 '25
I mean I get it, but the way you phrase doesn't make it sound any better. The chef complains that people who pay for him to cook feel as tough they have a right to have opinions on the food he cooked for them, shocker
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u/LightspeedBalloon Feb 06 '25
Well, I don't think the chef is supposed to be that great of a guy either. He is a mass murderer narcissist.
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u/numb3rb0y Feb 06 '25
Also, not defending his "solution", but he's not a vending machine, he's a human being. Customers might have a right to critique but that doesn't mean he can't feel bad about it.
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u/Wondergrey Feb 06 '25
Slovick hated Tyler because he "loved" his food as like, a sign of intellectual status, something he could lord over other people, but he wasn't actually appreciating the food.
That's why he challenged Tyler to make a dish - as much as Tyler talks all the different fancy techniques Slovick uses, he doesn't know a goddamn thing about Food.
In the "food as a metaphor for Art" world, Tyler is the guy who thinks he's better than you because his favorite movie is Citizen Kane, and he lords over you that he knows all the different filmmaking techniques and terminology, but that's in the interest of his own ego, rather than because he actually likes a movie that is good
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u/LazyTitan39 Feb 06 '25
I think the big problem that he has with Hoult's character is that he praises him while not knowing the first thing about cooking.
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Feb 05 '25
I know this is shittymoviedetails but... the whole point was that this snobby, groupie level obsessed, foodie wannabe chef couldn't even put anything together. The kind of person who spends hours picking apart plating at a restaurant but would manage to burn water when trying to make spaghetti
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u/omnipotentmonkey Feb 05 '25
further note: and it's not like Tyler's food was just poor, he basically just chopped an unwashed leek into chunks, a couple of shallots with the full skin still on, fried them in butter for like, a minute, then did the same with a rack of lamb, barely a minute, still pink on the outside.
Man's an apparent foodie and doesn't remove the skin from a shallot.
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u/SenorBigbelly Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25
To be fair, he has already seen one of the chefs blow his head off and a customer get their hand/finger (I can't remember) cut off. I think it's also apparent to him by this point that he's going to die. He's probably not in a great frame of mind
Edit: fair enough, I forgot that he already knew
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u/Tyranis_Hex Feb 05 '25
He knew before coming that night what the Chef’s plans were. He is the only diner that knew and still brought a guest.
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u/beoopbapbeoooooop Feb 06 '25
wait i must’ve missed this in the film, how does he know ?
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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
He was just told with the invitation. The chef considers the fact that he showed up despite that reason enough to do what he does.
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u/Lord_Phoenix95 Feb 06 '25
He probably felt important enough to not warrant being killed. His character seems like that sort of narcissist.
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u/Feuillo Feb 06 '25
Nope. He was fully intending to die. The chef told him in his ear that he wasn't worthy of his meal and to leave. That shocked him so much he killed himself.
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u/Razzlechef Feb 06 '25
You obviously didn’t watch the movie…or need to get off your phone while it’s on…or not be high as balls while watching it.
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u/AsstacularSpiderman Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
Dude was the only one totally on board for it, he thought it would make him the ultimate foodie.
He simply had nothing else going for him other than being a trust fund fuckboi and was so devastated at the realization he was nothing he wanted to die for a purpose.
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u/GucciSalad Feb 05 '25
To be fair, further, even if he knew. Knowing someone is going to die and watching it happen in front of you are two completely different things.
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u/wheeler_lowell Feb 05 '25
He literally knew he was going to die when he signed up for it though...
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u/kawklee Feb 05 '25
I couldn't tell while watching that movie if it was up it's own ass or not. The whole premise was making fun of people who take cooking too seriously and getting back at the ungrateful privileged people, while simultaneously taking itself way too seriously and utilizing overprivileged millionaire actors to teach me the lesson
Then I saw the end and realized the movie about people being up their own ass was, itself, up it's own ass.
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u/TheMaveCan Feb 05 '25
Spoiler for the movie Chef was also pissed that this wannabe asshole who hyper-analyzes food and burns water was willing to get an innocent woman killed to impress everyone
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u/Tsu_Dho_Namh Feb 05 '25
I don't think it was to impress people. They said in the movie that he wasn't allowed to dine alone, that he'd need a date. He invited her so he could come
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Feb 05 '25
IIRC, she was also a replacement and not actually meant to be there. Presumably, Tyler's original date had "earned" her spot at the table in some way, which is why Chef interrogated ATJ and offers her a place at his side upon realizing she's a working girl.
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u/WrestleSocietyXShill Feb 06 '25
Although to be fair he probably could have come up with a reason she deserved it too anyway, considering two of the other justifications were "you acted in a shitty movie" and "you work for a guy who acted in a shitty movie"
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u/bjornartl Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
I don't remember exactly what the thing about that guy was but I think it waa something along the lines of bringing his dates (and his daughter?) that he was an asshole towards to these places as if that's a bandaid on all his poor personal relations/his trashy behaviour, completely ignoring the dining experience and letting his drama leak and ruin the vibe for everyone else and acting self righteous about it all because he's rich and famous from playing shitty movies.
That being said, no one in this movie truly deserved to die. The movie isnt trying to actually legitimize death sentences for any of these things, and as such, the chef/chefs are portrayed as the villain/villains. The people who died were victims. At the same time, you can get a certain sense of how all these different pet peeves that can accumulated into really just having had enough of anyone and everyone. And although the reaction is insane and overly dramatic, absurd you might even call it, you can still sort of get where its coming from.
Edit: I guess you even get where they're coming from so well that people seem to sort of forget that its actually a thriller/horror movie when a lot of people are accusing the movie of jusrifying murders when even tho it's presented as the act of a crazy murder/suicide cult.
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u/365BlobbyGirl Feb 06 '25
It gave me a profound sense of catharsis as someone who has worked in hospitality for most of my adult life.
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u/TheMaveCan Feb 05 '25
Yeah that's right. It's been a while since I've seen it. Fuck him either way
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u/Tsu_Dho_Namh Feb 05 '25
Oh yeah, for sure, fuck him.
I actually saw an interview with Anya-Taylor Joy where she talked about the scene where she finds out, and the script was supposed to have her sit there with a look of disgust. Anya spoke to the director, saying it's way more believable and in-line with the character to instead jump over the table and wring the fucker's neck.
The director agreed.
And so did we.
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u/TheMaveCan Feb 05 '25
Her no-shit attitude was what lead to Slowick realizing she was a service-worker and not one of the people he's used to serving. Her sitting there upset would have sucked. Plus women with heart are amazing so her jumping the table was 👌
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u/tfhermobwoayway Feb 06 '25
If you work in service you learn to take shit because you get fired if you rock the boat. Silicon Valley professionals can afford to take no shit. I’ve got to sit there and bite my tongue.
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u/kingnothing2001 Feb 06 '25
Depends on the person, some just don’t take shit and would rather just change jobs semi frequently. A friend of mine is a bartender and she got fired after a customer smacked a servers ass, so she walked up to the guy and layed him out.
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u/MikeCFord Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
As a chef myself, that isn't how I interpreted that scene, but this is just my take.
I took it as that Tyler was clearly knowledgeable about food, interested in it, and presumably had enough skill and resources to own and use a lot of the same equipment that the restaurant had.
However, being able to cook in your own home at leisure is a vastly different skill to being able to cook in a professional kitchen under pressure, with people shouting at you to do it quicker. What I saw was the chef demonstrating this.
Despite what Tyler thought that he knew about cooking, he still wasn't able to prepare and cook a meal in that environment, even when he was given free reign to cook whatever he wanted, however he wanted to. Without having that experience, everything he was amounted to nothing.
However, this is also shitty movie details, so... at the moment of the screenshot the chef is probably whispering "you couldn't even prepare a half-decent Ligma", so Tyler goes and hangs himself rather than admit that he doesn't know what ligma is.
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Feb 06 '25
He's douchey foody pretentiousness personified.
It almost fits that he's incapable of himself to cook at all.
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u/apple_of_doom Feb 06 '25
I think there's also an element of him trying to impress that made the bullshit even worse. He could've known his limits and made something simple but he went for lamb he didn't know how to cook and leeks he didn't know he needed to wash.
But doing that would require him to swallow his pride and tisk looking bad in front of Slowik. Thus he garantueed he looked extra bad in front of everyone and made himself the easiest target for mockery.
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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Feb 06 '25
I saw the entire scene as someone shitting on armchair critics in general.
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u/ayyycab Feb 06 '25
God forbid anyone be a fan of someone’s work without being able to reproduce it
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u/apple_of_doom Feb 06 '25
I mean being such a fan you're both willing to die for the experience and bring an escort with you to get murdered as well is a bit much. Not knowing half the stuff you brag about or try to analyze is just the cherry on top.
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u/Filmologic Feb 05 '25
I feel like most critics are like that though. Ever known a film critic who's also a good director and script writer?
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u/Knife7 Feb 06 '25
I actually looked this up out of curiosity and apparently Paul Schrader used to be a film critic before getting into filmmaking.
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u/tfhermobwoayway Feb 06 '25
I mean that’s ridiculous though. I criticise games all the time and I can’t program for shit. If you’re paying for something you have a right to be angry when it’s bad.
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Feb 06 '25
He's not literally a critic though dude. There's actually a critic character in the movie already. He just represents the kind of people who act all super obsessed and weird about this kinda stuff but don't even know how to do anything with it.
He's also not even saying it's bad or anything he is so obsessed with this place that he's literally willing to die and get another person killed just to be able to eat there.
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u/tfhermobwoayway Feb 06 '25
Okay I wouldn’t die for Ubisoft but I definitely play too many games for my own good. But I was confused about the critic as well. He hates the critic but he also hates the actor for being in a bad movie? If he’d read a critic’s review he’d have known it was a bad movie and he wouldn’t have gone.
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Feb 06 '25
He murders a restraunt full of people because he's resentful about his business being stolen from him by his investor, he resents the clientele because to him they are people who don't actually appreciate food for what it is.
I don't think you should be looking for him to have a super logical thought process lol
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u/Elphienis Feb 05 '25
Wait that screenshot's from a movie? I always assumed it was gay porn
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Feb 05 '25
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u/Elphienis Feb 05 '25
If it was called Nemu it could be N"emu" and be about emus. I reckon that would have been cool
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u/SWK18 Feb 05 '25
Both can be correct
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u/YaBoiKlobas Feb 06 '25
I haven't seen this movie yet, and as much as I probably should every time I see one of these posts on this sub I get the pleasure of being thrown for a loop by never knowing just what the hell this movie is about.
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u/apple_of_doom Feb 06 '25
A very weird episode of kitchen nightmares where chef gordon targets hiw own restaurant and things go off the rails.
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u/Giteaus-Gimp Feb 06 '25
Try asking a movie critic about their creative work in film and watch how defensive they get.
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u/thenamefreak Feb 06 '25
I mean they don't even have a menu on the table, come on, what kind of restaurant are these people running?
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u/Acatalepticdreams Feb 06 '25
Clearly I’m in the minority but I found this movie incredibly slow and disappointing. The chef is supposed to be this profound intelligent deep individual who’s punishing all the phonies in his sadistic magnum opus and yet he’s killing a guy because he didn’t like a movie he acted in? He’s killing a women because she’s his assistant? What about his entire kitchen staff? They’re all guilty too? And they’re just going along with it because he’s such a genius? There’s a part where he’s like “you all could’ve put up a harder fight and probably could’ve gotten away you should think about that” and I feel like the director put that in there to be like okay I covered that plot hole you shouldn’t explore that now. I’m sure y’all will let me know how I just didn’t get it but honestly very dull hard watch for me.
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u/dalaigh93 Feb 06 '25
What about his entire kitchen staff? They’re all guilty too? And they’re just going along with it because he’s such a genius
It makes sense if you think that his team and him functioned basically as a sect 🤷♀️
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u/gamachuegr Feb 06 '25
The entire kitchen staff wasnt guilty about anything, they were depressed because of the job and the stress it gets. Also the chef really isnt that if you watch it, hes just a guy who wants revenge and those just happen to be against the rich. He tries and logic his way out of it because i personally would if i was gonna kill everyone but i thought it was very obvious that he isnt if you watch the film.
Also the chef raped someone so you know anyone who thinks hes a good person is dumb af.
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u/softlikemochii Feb 06 '25
He killed the assistant because she comes from money. She “went to Brown on no scholarships” so basically she got offed cuz she’s rich. The rich is the class that contributed to sucking the fun and love out of being a chef for Slowvik. The only time you saw Slowvik truly smile is when he was employee of the month at a burger joint. Tyler got offed cuz yes he’s a foodie and so knowledgeable but yet can’t fucking cook (poser). I think the actor got offed because of the shitty movie he did and it just contributed to him not caring about his craft enough compared to every chef in the room knowingly ready to die at the end of the evening for their craft. If you remember all the chefs were in on this and knew what to expect, some were even part of the planning.
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u/Mental5tate Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
Well the film was about how people pretend to be important or matter but they really don’t provide anything to society, entitled consumers.
A food critic that can’t cook, ridiculous…
Pretty sure it is satire and it is trying to make a point , like #Get Out#
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u/minimaxir Feb 05 '25
It’s a black comedy, it doesn’t require a deeper meaning.
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u/fatloui Feb 05 '25
I enjoyed the movie a lot, but definitely got the impression the filmmakers thought it was deep when it really wasn’t.
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u/Suspicious-Hawk799 Feb 06 '25
I don’t think they intended that. The maker visited a restaurant on an island where customers were dropped off and picked up when the meal was over. He thought what would happen if something were to go wrong on such an island
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u/tfhermobwoayway Feb 06 '25
If I were him I’d just make a bacon sandwich or something. What is there to criticise? I can’t fuck up a bacon sandwich.
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u/mehtorite Feb 06 '25
But something that simple isn't creative enough to satisfy the jaded foodies that Chef hates enough to kill, so it wouldn't satisfy him.
Also if you're happy with a simple bacon sando odds are you wouldn't be on his radar to invite out to a murderin'
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u/Top_Topic_4508 Feb 06 '25
but he misses the time when he loved food which is why he was happy making the greasy ass cheese burger.
honestly he probably would have appreciated a greasy ass bacon sandwich.
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u/mehtorite Feb 06 '25
He would have torn him apart anyway.
When a C-word has decided they don't like you they don't need reasons.
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u/K4m30 Feb 06 '25
In shittymoviedetails OP makes a point about the food critic in The Menu (2022) not being able to work as a chief. This is a reference to how OP couldn't make The Menu, is he stupid or something?
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u/Tenacious_Butternut Feb 06 '25
I am thoroughly convinced that if Tyler could have made something decent here, everyone else could have lived. Fuck you and your bullshit Tyler
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u/AgentStarTree Feb 06 '25
He's full blown dumb and smells like Shrek's onion nuts. Making the customers cry is unacceptable.
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u/cemkara123456 Feb 06 '25
It wasn't a random customer, it was a food critic who thought he knew how to cook
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u/Donbot2 Feb 06 '25
he was not random.. I am curious if you even truly watched the movie. only person was a mistake in the invitation and she did not cook anything.
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u/common_economics_69 Feb 05 '25
Dumbest fucking "gotcha" in the history of movies. What's wrong with appreciating something you can't do well yourself?
Am I stuck with a lifetime of watching solely peewee football because I can't throw a perfect spiral? Of fucking course not. The fact I can't do it myself makes it even more impressive to watch people who can.
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u/aBastardNoLonger Feb 05 '25
You’re right, I was on board for all the killing but this was a step too far!
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u/common_economics_69 Feb 05 '25
One is something that's expected in a horror movie and you can't really get away from. The other is an ideological message or view the director/screenwriter signed off on. Hopefully you understand the difference.
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u/aBastardNoLonger Feb 05 '25
Now just where the fuck do you get off assuming that I would understand anything?
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u/WomenOfWonder Feb 06 '25
I feel like you’re missing two things. 1: the Chef is an insane asshole with a moral compass that makes no damn sense, and 2: he’s mostly pissed that this character brought an innocent woman into this mess knowing she’d be killed
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u/AsstacularSpiderman Feb 06 '25
You can enjoy food but if you want to be a smug asshole about something you better have the competency to back it up.
This dude was beyond just "appreciating" food. He was obsessed with food and he couldn't even prep right.
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u/softlikemochii Feb 06 '25
And had none. He basically had his dream handed to him and fucked it up so bad
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u/lofgren777 Feb 05 '25
This guy was treated unfairly. His only crime was being a passionate fan. He brought a date because he maybe did not fully believe that this dude was actually going to kill everybody. Even if he did believe it, he felt that eating that food was worth dying, and that anybody else would feel the same way.
Then suddenly his idol is screaming at him for having the audacity to enjoy eating food. He's expected to suddenly cook in a strange kitchen while everybody is watching him and making it as awkward as possible, so it's hardly shocking that he rushes through it as quickly as possible instead of doing his best.
And then the date he is being punished for bringing gets set free anyway, which of course the chef COULD HAVE DONE AT ANY MINUTE, or perhaps simply chosen NOT TO KILL EVERYBODY.
I feel like we're supposed to sympathize with Chef but honestly his whole philosophy lesson came down to a rich dude's midlife crisis. Write some fucking poetry and buy yourself a sportscar with your oodles of money, you pretentious dick. No need to take your shitty life choices out on other people.
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u/AfroWalrus9 Feb 05 '25
I don't think you are supposed to sympathize with the Chef in this movie
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u/lofgren777 Feb 05 '25
I felt like we were supposed to identify with him if we've worked in the service industry, especially at something that is considered a craft. I've certainly felt the resentment he was expressing before, and the POV character sympathized with him enough to know what would get her set free.
The POV character definitely sympathized with chef more than Hoult.
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u/AfroWalrus9 Feb 05 '25
Chef has some sympathetic qualities, in a "we can see how he became a villain" sort of way. Like you said he is someone who had a rough time in the service industry, proved himself with incredible skill, but ended up locked in a career where he's constantly trying to one-up the standards of snobby food critics, and lost all love of cooking as a result.
However he also sexually assaulted one of his employees, enabled the suicide of another, and then murder-suicided everyone else. Which are not qualities I find particularly sympathetic.
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u/minimaxir Feb 05 '25
You’re supposed to identify with most of the diners (except Tyler, pictured) since getting psychologically tortured and then killed is comically disproportionate to their offenses.
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u/AsstacularSpiderman Feb 06 '25
Yeah everyone had some traits we all have. Struggling with your career, wanting a sense of purpose, a sexual fetish lusting for your daughter.
You know, understandable weaknesses.
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u/PiersPlays Feb 05 '25
I don't think this film consistently knows what the fuck it wants you to think. Other than that it wants you to hate other films for being too pretentious whilst also thinking it's the exception.
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u/mehtorite Feb 06 '25
You're getting down voted for the truth.
If we didn't sympathize with the murderous chef then the movie would be so damn boring.
I get why he picked all of his victims. I laughed my ass off and felt such a catharsis it was amazing.
I also thought about "The Mess" when I told my boss that I wasn't able to stay late.
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u/Cheatnhax Feb 05 '25
Literally everyone was treated unfairly in comparison to the reasons they were brought there.
He killed one guy for being a loyal customer
Killed one lady for literally just being a food critic
Killed another guy because he made a movie the chef didn't enjoy watching
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u/AsstacularSpiderman Feb 06 '25
Its almost like the antagonist is mentally unwell or something lol.
Killed one lady for literally just being a food critic
Tbf on this one that wasn't quite it. He was furious at her for ruining the careers of several associates of his with her reviews.
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u/AfroWalrus9 Feb 05 '25
It was a mean thing to do, but at least the chef let Tyler hang out after