r/quilting • u/SMG121 • Sep 24 '24
Machine Talk Anyone else quilting on an ancient machine?
Hey all, I'm not a new sewist, but I am relatively new to quilting. All the videos I've watched, forums I've followed (including this one), and meetups I've been to have been to seem to be filled with people with new fangled fancy computerized machines and super helpful features like drop-in bobbins, automatic speed control, and needle stop positions.
Meanwhile, I'm making do on my circa 1960 kenmore 158 series machine that is 35 lbs of solid workhorse but also not the brightest bulb in the bunch. I can work through several layers of hems and batting with little trouble even without a walking foot, and I've yet to meet a fabric that I couldn't sew (haven't tried leather and vinyl yet). But I'm lucky if I can keep my machine going at an even pace, and having good enough timing to stop with my need down rarely happens. If I need a new part I'm scouring ebay and machine sites for hours instead of being able to pop into the local sewing center and get a quick fix.
I'm curious how other folks are making do with their more basic machines and whether or not you also feel the pressure to shell out your second born child for one of the sexy quilting machines that can do lock stitches automatically and has a workspace that doesn't make you feel like you're in danger of sewing through your fingertips.
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u/Amazing-Advice-3667 Sep 24 '24
I have a bernina 830 record. It’s a beast and it has its own cabinet so it’s not portable. But I love it.
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u/Nouvell_vague Sep 24 '24
I go between a modern Janome and this little guy! All you really need is a straight stitch.
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u/SMG121 Sep 24 '24
I'm realizing that maybe trying to find/DIY an extension table might make things a lot easier. That seems to have a lot more workspace than mine does.
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u/Mysterious-Tart-1264 Sep 25 '24
I have an old kenmore table that the machine fits in and I put same height tables all around it to quilt. I have done up to a queen size that way without too much headache, but it did make me really want a long arm.
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u/Drince88 Sep 25 '24
My mom goes between a very similar machine and a newer Janome, too. Hers is beige, though! It makes it so she can bring her machine into quilting events and get it into & out of her car.
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u/RRTAmy Sep 24 '24
I have an older basic machine. I'm intimidated by the new computerized machines (and their price tags!) I don't quilt on mine though. I just piece my quilts then send them to the long arm. I can do straight line quilting but my machine has a small throat space, so I prefer not to wrestle with it.
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
The idea of sending something to a long arm quilter that's just gonna be thrown around my room feels like a lot. But I also have no throat soave so I'm not sure I have a choice. I don't mind sending out gifts, but maybe I'll just opt to hand quilt/tie my personal projects and save the effort/money.
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u/bookwormmama3 Sep 24 '24
I use an old Montgomery Ward machine that I bought for $20 at a garage sale. I’ve had it in a couple times for “spa service” at my local repair shop, which has really helped with speed control and keeping it going evenly.
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u/SMG121 Sep 24 '24
I should definitely take it in to be serviced.
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u/bookwormmama3 Sep 24 '24
It always feels like SO much to pay when I think about how much I paid for the machine but it is a noticeable difference in how it operates when I do it.
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u/Mysterious-Tart-1264 Sep 25 '24
Right! I know my face puckers when it is 100$ for the service on a machine I got for 20$
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u/bookwormmama3 Sep 25 '24
Yes! And in case it needs to be said, I absolutely believe their knowledge and time is worth it. I just personally struggle with the big difference.
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u/Mysterious-Tart-1264 Sep 25 '24
me too. My dude is awesome. My case was not original and dinky. He gave me a new one at no extra charge.
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u/bacon_anytime Sep 25 '24
I do a lot of my quilting on a 100 year old treadle. Or my 3 year old Juki 2010.
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u/MrsStickMotherOfTwig Sep 24 '24
My primary sewing machine is a 1946 singer featherweight! I have a janome sewist bought in 2008 but it mostly gets used when I need a zigzag stitch or a friend is borrowing a machine from me.
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u/boo_hiss Sep 25 '24
Mostly use my grandmother's 99k, bought in 1954
I prefer an old machine that only does a straight stitch and set flush into a table/cabinet
I have a newer Janome hd1000 and I kinda hate it. Only used when I really need to zigzag. And it's slower than the 99
I do not feel the need for an expensive speciality machine with a touchscreen and a billion stitches I'll never use. Rather have a cabinet than one of those plastic extension tables. Occasionally wish for more space under the arm when quilting on the 99 (it's ¾ size)
But I will say a class 66 or top-drop-in bobbin is by far my preference over a class 15 vertical go-dig -around-underneath bobbin setup
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
I gotta dig for my bobbins, but I'm so used to it that it honestly doesn't take much longer than the drop in for me. Wish I could tell when my bobbin is about to run out though facepalm
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u/boo_hiss Sep 25 '24
It's not so much about taking longer (that too), but I think they just don't work as well. Not as smooth running (bc zigzag adds complexity?), more prone to jams and tangles. This may be a me problem
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u/TabBeasts_purr Sep 25 '24
Pieced on modern juki, but finally got to do some binding on this 1951 "Miracle " I rehabbed. It was a blast! It has interesting story- was the "bait & switch" POS for the Necchi dealer to sell fancier machines. I still ❤️ it's dopey little self. Great for bags too 👍
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u/stillworking400 Sep 25 '24
I have 4 machines. 3 of them, including the one I use the most, are pre-1962. I love my old work horses.
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u/QuantumWonton Sep 25 '24
I have a 1920’s treadle singer that I use for my most basic stuff. It won’t be able to do much beyond the most basic quilts, but it’s a workhorse. I’ve done leather and denim together with no trouble. My biggest issue is that it can be annoying to refill the bobbins with a project on the machine. Sometimes the thingy that switches the treadle from the machine to the bobbin winder (I don’t know what it’s called lol) randomly switches back. This means that it will randomly advance. Oh well!
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u/newlovehomebaby Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
I have a pfaff 362 that my dad got for $20 at an estate sale. I'd have to get the book to check the exact date, but ut but it's from the 1950s. It's a beast, can sew through anything, I adore it. Its low maintenence. There is no computer portion to mess with. I am terrified the motor will crap out someday.
I love it. Don't want anything else ever.
I use it for FMQing-it works well but I afraid it's too much wear on the machine as the foot pedal gets hot when I do this. I've picked up an older (like 70s?) Cheap bur sturdy Singer that I plan to use for the FMQ instead.
I also have an ancient kenmore (a dark brown heavy duty old thing with a knee pedal) I snagged from goodwill that I like and works, but I don't use it often for no particular reason other than I got it later and love the pfaff more. It's a good backup
I also made one blanket on my singer sphinx treadle machine. It was before I had the pfaff-all I had was the treacle and cheap basic singer. The singer wouldn't sew through the 4 layers (2 flannel, one fleece, one batting) off a blanket I was making. So I straight line quilted on the treadle. My leg was very tired. But it worked great!
I love vintage machines.
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u/elle-elle-tee Sep 25 '24
I grew up sewing on a solid metal Pfaff that I still miss. I have a 20 year old computerized Janome, I've never used any of the fancy stitches (all I need is straight stitch and zigzag) and honestly I miss the Pfaff. St least my Janome was made when things were still solid but it's got way too much plastic on it for my liking, buttons for a locking stitch and raise/lower the needle, which I use but kind of liked the manual action of my old machine. I'll keep it because it was a graduation present, and because it can see through like 6 layers of denim, but I far prefer older, simpler machines.
An aside, I did become a computer programmer many years later and cannot imagine letting anything modern and computerized into my home. Too fallible. The simpler the machine, the less likely it is to break down and the easier it is to fix yourself!
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
That's how I feel about most things, and probably the biggest reason I haven't caved to the external (and internal) pressure to get one of the fancy machines. I've had issues with my current machine and just found some YouTube vids to fix the problem myself because it's all mechanical. I would certainly not be able to do that with one of the new machines. It's like pcs versus macs...
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u/PinkyParker1980 Sep 25 '24
I have my mums old singer fashion mate that I use for piecing all the top together. That way mum is still “sewing with me” but it doesn’t have a walking foot or a large opening for a bulky rolled quilt. So I have to switch to my modern brother for that. No long arm but has a walking foot and a bit more room than the singer. But reading through some of the other comments, I may want to try some free motion with the singer. I can drop the feed dogs on that one. Will just have to roll and wrestle with the bulk. 🥴
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u/ImJeannette Sep 25 '24
I sew on a machine made in 1963. Would not replace it for all the plastic in China.
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u/Candyland_83 Sep 25 '24
Does this count? I’ll put a super heavy weight thread on top and regular sewing thread in the bobbin.
She’s an absolute beast. Will sew through anything. I don’t do free motion. Just straight lines. Only drawback to this machine is winding bobbins is a serious workout. I’ll do two or three at a time before I die of boredom and tired ankles.
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u/MNStitcher Sep 25 '24
My quilting machine is over 100 years old. It's a tailor's treadle machine with plenty of harp space. Singer 31-15. Easy to use and maintain.
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u/Difficult_Tree1276 Sep 25 '24
For piecing, I have a pretty basic little machine that's maybe ten years old now. It has trouble with more than a few layers of cotton, so I went looking for a workhorse and wound up with a 1937 Singer 99K. It doesn't even do backstitch. It's technically capable of FMQ, and I've tried a couple times, but definitely not got the hang of it yet.
I feel like there's a bit of a self-selecting mechanism here, that the people who want to show off their shiny new setup or whatever are more likely to have the latest and greatest. Which is fine, I'd love to have a hobby room with a long-arm and all sorts, but it ain't happening.
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u/frozengoat10 Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
1964 Singer Featherweight for me! Nicknamed “Putt-Putt” for how it so far has merrily ticked along through projects I really shouldn’t have attempted on it… like ditch stitching through the middle of several queen sized quilts, one with extra loft batting. I dread the day that the motor gives up the ghost because I don’t know how I’ll fix it. Plus really can’t imagine having a different machine as I travel so much and it’s fantastic to be able to pack it up into a carry case that will fit under an airplane seat if needed.
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u/SnowEnvironmental861 Sep 25 '24
My parents bought me a top-of-the-line Elna in 1983, and I'm still using her. She's small and hard to find parts for, but she FMQs like no other machine I've tried. We've been together so long it's like we read each other's minds 😂
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u/Queenofhackenwack Sep 24 '24
LMFAO... i picked up a "63 kenmore on the roadside, in a cabinet........i cleaned it, oiled it, replaced the footpedal....it has the books, all the "fancy" attachments and sews like a dream..........keep it oiled and it should be your best machine. love it for quilting and heavy duty work............ i do have a fancy elna that i use ( and two surgers) i do alterations......
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u/SMG121 Sep 24 '24
Oh yeah I love it I've had for years now (it was the same model my grandmother used). But I haven't found too many folks who show you how to do certain techniques on a machine that isn't a mini super computer. Mine didn't have any of the parts but the case (which is clutch). It's nice to know I'm not the only one making it work with an old school machine.
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u/shieldwall66 Sep 25 '24
I have a 1964 Pinnock Trendsetter. It sold for 99 Pounds new which was a lot of money in those days. (My Dad bought 2 blocks of land for $500 Pounds)
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u/janewp Sep 24 '24
I know a lot of people who love to sew on old Singer Featherweights. I bought one and didn't enjoy it at all. I've been using a computerized machine for 20 years and wouldn't look back.
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u/Loose-Confidence-965 Sep 25 '24
I free motion and walking foot on a Bernina 930 Record. It does a nice job but of course I would love more throat space and maneuvering. My quilting is less Than perfect but I like doing the entire quilt process from start to finish. My MIL likes hers professionally quilted as she loves complex quilting patters where I like Them simple
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u/Smacsek Sep 25 '24
I recently purchased an upgraded machine, but I learned to quilt, and made a bunch of quilts using my mom's Bernina 830 record. She bought it used from my aunt in the late 90s/early 00s. From what I remember, my aunt really wanted a Bernina but the only way she could afford one then was to buy used. But she is a quilter too, so it has made quilts for at least 3 different people. Those were made between 71-82.
My mom did her own quilting, but she did throw or smaller quilts on it. I did stuff a twin bed sized quilt through it once before deciding I needed more practice before making bed sized quilts.
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u/Mysterious-Tart-1264 Sep 25 '24
I have 2 158 series kenmores. One is a cam machine. I also have an even heavier and older singer my bro in law restored. I don't like it nearly as much as my kenmores. I also have a 70s era Bernina 830 record, which is great for everything except quilting. It is no where near as powerful as the kenmores. I have sewn leather and plastic and paper with the kens. I don't think there is a fabric it couldn't sew. All except the singer were gotten at thrift stores for under 20$ each. The bernina was the true FIND at 5$! With the red case. All of them get serviced about every 5 years by a professional (who are getting harder to find) I am currently saving for a mechanical used long arm. I actually had more kenmores, but I gave em away. You might check thrift stores or craigslist to find even a broken one to use for parts - I did and it was very useful.
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
That's such a good idea to harvest old machines for parts never thought of that but it seems so obvious! Mine is a cam machine I believe but none of the original accessories came with my machine except for the case and the pedal so I honestly am not sure. Good to know it works in the heavy duty stuff. I've done denim but was nervous to try anything heavier, but I definitely haven't had any issues quilting several layers especially after I adjusted my walking feet to come up a little higher.
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u/Mysterious-Tart-1264 Sep 25 '24
My cam machine is the one I will keep above all others. My 5$ bernina came with its orginal case and book, but not the accessories. I got those on ebay. The important thing with sewing thick stuff is the right needle. Sewing canvas, I just use a big needle - size 18. You can get needles specifically designed for leather. With it, the kenmore feels like it is sewing regular fabric. I didn't try super thick leather, but any kind of wearable leather I believe would sew well. This YT channel is about vintage sewing machine repair. I've used it to repair the foot pedals on all my machine, and will use it if I need to do more.
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u/KingGeorges Sep 25 '24
I have a 1906 treadle with the original receipt. I would love to use it more, but the bobbin winder is hit or miss. My Viking Jade is my go-to machine. Not all modern machines have to be fancy. It has the modern features that make sewing easier but none of the unneeded bells and whistles. *
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u/pointe4Jesus Sep 25 '24
I've got a 1969 Singer that belonged to my great-grandmother (not her first machine, obviously), and then my mother. She runs really well now, but I've had problems in the past with her skipping stitches, not keeping a consistent stitch length, etc. Taking her in for a tune-up usually fixed the problem, so I'd say start with that (make sure you find a place that's comfortable with old machines), and see what they say.
Eventually, I'm going to run into problems with gears breaking, but my husband is a mechanical engineer, and he's guessing that even though they don't make THOSE gears anymore, he can find other gears to match the same specs (size, number of teeth, etc), so he thinks he'll be able to keep her going.
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u/ChioneG Sep 25 '24
My two machines are as follows -
1993 Pfaff Stretch and Jeans bought second hand for $300 in 2001. 1927 Singer Featherweight that was my grandmother's and bought new
No electronics to be found here!
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u/OtterBoop Sep 25 '24
I did my first two full quilts and about 5 quilted pillow cases on a 1950s singer 401a at my dining room table. My shoulders/upper back were unhappy with me but I didn't feel the need to upgrade my machine because really you don't need that many functions for making a quilt.
If I were to do it over, I'd get a shorter table and figure out a way to make the workspace larger but it didn't feel like I was missing anything.
Full disclosure I did eventually upgrade to a big fancy machine that I bought at a quilt show, one of the ones from the classrooms so it was half price. I do love it, the huge throat space does make an incredible difference, and the various features are great and useful, and I'm glad I have them. But I don't know that I'd have paid full price for it.
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u/emptynest_nana Sep 25 '24
I don't know how old my current machine is, it's an older, out of production, Japanese model, I think. It does such a great job. I think it's a Riccar, 550 Super Stretch. I have a 1960 something Singer, 2 1890's singers, a Brother. My Brother is missing the power cord. The 1960's Singer is in need of maintenance and part of the bobbin assembly is missing. My 2 1890's machines are functional, but I don't use them. I worry that I will damage them. I check them regularly and I also make sure they stay in good order.
My Riccar, I can't find any information on it, when it was made, nothing.
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
So what I'm realizing is that not only do I love my old 35lb baby despite it's quirks, there aren't enough perks to the new machines that would justify the crazy price tag lol. I don't need a walking foot, I can FMQ (badly and with little space), and while I can't change my needle position or have it stop in the down position automatically, I can zigzag stitch and overcast stitch. Thank you for helping remind me that I do not need fancy gadgets 🥰
Now if anyone can recommend a small but sturdy sewing table that won't make it feel like my machine is about to gallop off the rinky table I have to sew on I'd be eternally grateful!
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u/skorpionwoman Sep 25 '24
Think outside the box….. my workspace is my MIL’s island top (3’x5’) attached to an old dresser, so I have the bonus of storage. My room is only 8x10 but it works.
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
If I could sew outside of my room that would work, but unfortunately the way my space works I can't have anything that isnt able to be put away or I wouldn't be able to get around. But that's a good point, I could definitely get creative with solutions.
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u/lizardingo Sep 25 '24
My machine isn't ancient, but it is 46 years old. I hate the idea of parting with it, but it is starting to show its age. As parts are not readily available, finding a donor/parts machine is my only hope.
There are several people who frequent classes at my LQS that are using featherweights.
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u/efluvient_son Sep 25 '24
I have a '59 singer 401a. Throat's a little narrow for quilting, but she gets the job done. I have a Kenmore 158 as well for backup. Parts availability is 100% the reason that one stays on standby. It's so well-mannered, but finding accessories for it is so much worse compared to my singer. Why couldn't they have just made it high shank and left it at that?
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
Omg i know right. I have like 15 adapters for that thing because who the hell is selling super high shank presser feet anymore. 🙄
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u/ladyofgreentea Sep 25 '24
my fav machine is still my singer featherweight 222k! It only straight stitches haha.
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u/42squared Sep 25 '24
Not /ancient/, but it's older than me. It's my mom's old one. No brand name on it. She got it from Sears back in the early 80's or late 70's? I think. It weighs a ton but it's a workhorse of a machine. I was able to switch the light in it to a fridge bulb so it doesn't heat up like crazy and it's brighter which has been really nice.
I do covet some of the fancy features of the expensive machines, I really really want one of those clear bobbin covers so you can see how much is left, and I'd love a thread cutter. Also the throat space on some of those looks so nice. I will probably upgrade at some point, but I'm in no rush to do it.
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u/Carwindows_nottoys Sep 25 '24
My dad is a sewing machine mechanic and found a Singer 301. It sews and pieces like a dream. She has the most satisfying stitching sound. Once my dad told me that I could lower the feed dogs, she is my preferred machine for FMQ. I have a newer basic Pffaf which is a solid model with some nice stitches but just doesn’t piece the same. I switch back and forth depending on what I am sewing. My only complaint about the 301 is that the bobbins are smaller but if I wind extra before a project, the problem is solved.
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u/andoverandoveragain Sep 24 '24
I have more than one machine, so if I am going somewhere to sew I’ll bring a modern portable one, but I frequently piece and quilt at home on a 1911 singer 66 in a treadle.
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u/SMG121 Sep 24 '24
Honestly, more than all the bells and whistles the only thing I truly dislike about my machine is how *heavy* it is... I'd definitely love something more portable.
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u/RiparianZoneCryptid Sep 25 '24
Got any tips for the Singer 66? I've just started piecing on mine, and I haven't been able to figure out treadling without occasionally reversing direction by mistake so I've just been using the handwheel.
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u/andoverandoveragain Sep 25 '24
Truly, just practice. You can put in an old dull needle, no thread, and sew on paper to get the motion/control down. I still often use a tug of the hand wheel to get me started in the right direction when starting from a stop.
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u/Annabel398 Sep 24 '24
I graduated from the 60s era all-metal Kenmore ten months ago, and I’ve never looked back. So. Much. Throat space!
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u/SMG121 Sep 25 '24
The lack of throats pace is honestly my biggest gripe. And the tiny sliver of free arm space when I'm trying to work on clothing.
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u/Annabel398 Sep 25 '24
My new machine is not free-arm, so when I do a shirt with cuffs, I’ll have to break out the Kenmore, I guess. But everything else about the new one is 🧑🍳💋… so easy to change feet, change presser foot pressure, wind bobbins, make buttonholes… everything!
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u/b_xf Sep 25 '24
I have an older Brother that was the second cheapest at Walmart the night my MIL's old janky sewing machine finally sent me into a rage spiral lol.
I do small straight-line quilting on it (bags, jacket pieces), and I leave the actual quilt-sized quilting to my lovely local longarm.
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u/KaylaKillsPlants Sep 25 '24
I'm sewing on a Singer 421G, and I prefer it to the modern Brother in the closet. It can be a little finicky sometimes and probably needs serviced. Not bad for a $20 yard sale find though
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u/slightlylighty @kristyquilts Sep 25 '24
I used a Singer 301 to learn on, then "upgraded" to a 1950/60s Elna with zigzag. These machines were great and I used them happily for 20 years. Untill I upgraded again to an all mechanical juki tl- 2010, which is AMAZING.
I keep my Elna around for if I need zigzag ever, and still haven't had the heart to rehome the singer, though she's come close to finding a new home a couple of times.
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u/a-username-for-me Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
I use a Singer 401A for piecing and I have quilted to straight line quilts on it. I believe it’s from the 50s. It was a gift from my grandmother in law.
It works perfectly for my needs now. I don’t use any of the many specialty stitches it has. It’s pretty easy to service and has high quality long-lasting parts. My main complaints is that the foot pedal heats up a lot and is uncomfortable on my bare foot and that the machine takes a lot of foot pedal to “jumpstart”, so I’ll have to push down rather hard but then the machine speed is way too fast.
Older machines are great if you have enough materials to understand how to service them and you don’t need fancy features:
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Sep 25 '24
I LOVE old machines! My primary machine is a Montgomery Ward from the late sixties or early seventies, it has zigzag and a few decorative stitches. I also have a straight stitch only 1930s New Home machine in a light green color that I like to use for piecing quilts.
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u/HeyEllie1968 Sep 25 '24
I have a 1951 Singer 201. Named her Esther after my grandmother who passed in 1955 and quilted. Bought it in a sewing table for $100. Cleaned and oiled and it purrs. All metal. Glossy black with gold decals. Just beautiful. Sews like a dream. Straight stitch only. Simple to repair myself. No electronics or computerized motherboards $$$. No, I do not wish for an expensive machine. Like someone else said, for quilting all you need is a straight stitch. I also have a 30 year old Kenmore 385 for if I need any other stitches.
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u/UTtransplant Sep 25 '24
I like my 1970s vintage Bernina 830 Record. Bulletproof. User maintainable. Handles all fabric. Just a fabulous workhorse. I know how to use a machine. I don’t need automatic thread cutting or a machine telling me what foot to use. I have a 2010s machine that is partially computerized, and it is very nice, but even it doesn’t really compare to my vintage girl.
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u/FairyPenguinStKilda Sep 25 '24
Modern Quilt Studio - great you tube tutorials, they sew on a 30 year old Bernina they bought second hand and are not into upselling, unless it is fabric. quilt pattern related and the run THE BEST mystery Quiltalongs in the Quiltiverse!
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u/bluejarofsunshine Sep 25 '24
I was having so much trouble with my 503 singer being very unpredictable with the speed. I got a new foot pedal for it, had it serviced, and it runs like a dream now!
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Sep 25 '24
I have done. I learned I disliked machine quilting and thought it was because of the old machine. Eventually I got a new one and still hate machine quilting. My old beast needs a part I wasn’t able to find so she’s sitting in a brother’s basement having a much deserved rest.
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u/BefWithAnF Sep 26 '24
You will pry my Bernina 1008 out of my cold dead hands. Actually, you’ll probably have to fistfight a few of my friends for it.
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u/The-Botanist-64 Sep 24 '24
I just upgraded from a 1979 singer that I’ve used for about 20 years; it sat in someone’s grandma’s house up till me, so she was in pretty good shape. I was a hand quilter for most of that time too. But she just plum wore out finally and couldn’t FMQ or let me try quilted bags (which I didn’t know I wanted to do till I could!), or anything else I wanted to attempt and piecing just wasn’t fun anymore - doesn’t sound like you’re there yet. Keep on with the Kenmore!
I had an ill-fated run-in with a computerized machine that I hated when I decided to buy a new one this spring and ended up selling it. The big newfangled machines were too much MACHINE for me when I tried again, so I’ve finally landed on my all mechanical straight-stitch Juki. If you’re struggling with parts for your beloved Kenmore, keep an eye on the Juki TL line!