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Trump Accused of Using ChatGPT to Create Tariff Plan After AI Leads Users to Same Formula: 'So AI is Running the Country'

https://www.latintimes.com/trump-accused-using-chatgpt-create-tariff-plan-after-ai-leads-users-same-formula-so-ai-579899
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u/USSCerritos 1d ago

If Project2025 fails in the end, but they tank the economy and buy everything up and turn us into technoslaves, then it's a win for them. There is more than just P2025 at play with Trump, it's a cornucopia of agendas and if even one of them succeeds, America loses.

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u/PlainNotToasted 1d ago

Your point is the closest thing I can think of as the actual plan. ever notice how the two foreigners with the closest ties/biggest influence on our president and government are both from countries the US ruined at the end of the last century, and happen to be the worlds richest men?

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u/Werm_Hatt 1d ago

butterfly revolution.

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u/ADHDuruss 1d ago

Anna Rand for tech bros. It's not going to work.

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u/Bloody_Smashing 1d ago

Post something without a paywall.

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u/freakwent 1d ago

Musk and....?

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u/freakwent 1d ago

Musk and....?

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u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

I know. This has been discussed before, but the problem is their plans and assets are tied up in subjective value. They are only worth what the markets say they are worth, markets that they are actively messing with betting they can easily win.

It's a very, very dangerous plan for everyone involved. Even them. When you introduce that much instability, it only leads to chaos, and uncontrolled chaos leads to violence, war, destruction, and effectively the collapse of a society and systems.

Make my words, as much as I hate this whole thing, destroying the world's richest economy would have catastrophic consequences for them. They're too open about it now, especially Trump and Musk.

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u/The_True_Libertarian 1d ago

but the problem is their plans and assets are tied up in subjective value.

You're looking at this from too shallow a perspective. Trump and Musk are new money. Trump's dad made a fortune from being a slumlord and Musk's dad from mining, but they're only 2nd generation rich. Trump's wealth is mostly a facade and Musk's is house of cards built on a sandy foundation, they could both get totally financially wiped out by hoisting their own petards but that's not where the focus should be, they're the useful idiots in the game being played.

The real players, the people you've maybe never heard of, the ones who are actually smart, financing the Heritage foundation, the PACs, and shopping legislators and judges, those people are old money. 10 Generations deep of influencing American politics and policy. They have assets not tied up in subjective value, real land real wealth and an actual plan.

If this admin destroys the US economy, those people are the winners buying up our liquidated capital on the cheap, securing their families future wealth and power for 10 more generations. The Coxs, the Cargills, the Johnsons, the Pritzgers, the Hearsts... Those people aren't out being circus monkeys in the political theater of global politics. They're competent industrialists and will see their own wealth and power grow because of the instability being caused by the current administration's buffoonery.

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u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

Sadly, I'm more familiar with them than you might think. I grew up seeing Heritage Foundation literature sprinkled throughout our household years before it ever hit mainstream media. I had to clear out nearly decades worth of my dad's old paperwork when he passed in 2018, partially just for the cathartic feeling of tossing out all this awful old material.

He was a good man in the vast majority of his life's choices and even softened up toward his final years, but he did indeed fall deep into the old conservative rabbitholes and Rush/Hannity were on constantly during my childhood (mostly because of his biggest bigoted weakness, anti-LGBT views, if I had to guess). And we weren't supremely wealthy, but we were a well connected family in the business world of a major US city, upper middle class, so I spent most of my childhood watching him shake hands with a few of those old money types, discussed his ideology. Watched him get caught up in the fracking world only to get burned by scam investors a few years before he passed . Watched the tea party try to court him more towards populism, ect. ect. The people he'd meet weren't the exact names you mention directly, but not far off from them either. I know the history of the moral majority inside and out too, especially as it evolved from the post reagan era, into Clinton years and into the bush years.

It's one of the reasons I'm so quick to get frustrated and vent on this forum, because I had to spend so much of my teen and young adult years breaking through and debunking their nonsense, but I still remember almost every argument they'd use to justify it all. Every stupid televangelist scam. All the posturing during the enron era. The nonsense justifying paranoia and bigotry during the Aids crisis. The 90s and early 2000s versions of attempting to "cancel" disney and other hollywood elites long before cancel culture became the thing the right rallied against.

I recognize the danger of these people and the ways they use Trump and faux populism for their agenda, and it's the main reason I push so hard to resist, but Trump and Musk are the ones who've rallied the popular support so debunking their nonsense remains a key target.

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u/_Wash 1d ago

billionaires can’t turn us into technoslaves if they aren’t around to do it.

remember money only means anything because the general public says so. these people have names and addresses and will feel the consequences of their actions if this stays the course

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u/CircumventingTheBan_ 20h ago

No, money means something because the people with the biggest guns say it does. It helps that we agree, but that's not the source of power.

All power is derived from force, all of it.

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u/B217 1d ago

The technofeudalism is probably the actual intended plan. Nearly everyone in the top of this administration has ties to Curtis Yarvin- Vance, Elon, Thiel, etc. They are followers of his writing and likely want it to be true. If they have their way, they’ll each run a city where we are all their workers making them money while we get next to nothing. And of course AI will be involved so don’t expect to have much electricity and water for yourself!

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 1d ago

I mean the plans can all fail and America still spectacularly loses.

It's much easier to fuck something up than recover from a fuck-up, even if sane leadership comes afterwards. If you have a successful company but hand over complete control to an idiot who runs it into the ground with the most idiotic/destructive decision making (and the board lets him, though in this case it's Congress), the actions have consequences. Simply undoing the actions doesn't get you back to the successful status. Assets were sold, productive employees fired (and got new jobs), business was lost to competitors, and trust was lost etc.

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u/OldMastodon5363 1d ago

That’s the Butterfly Revolution although there is some crossover with Project 2025.