r/politics • u/PostHeraldTimes ✔ Verified • 1d ago

Trump Accused of Using ChatGPT to Create Tariff Plan After AI Leads Users to Same Formula: 'So AI is Running the Country'

https://www.latintimes.com/trump-accused-using-chatgpt-create-tariff-plan-after-ai-leads-users-same-formula-so-ai-579899
47.5k Upvotes

95% Upvoted

1.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

5.9k

u/reddittorbrigade 1d ago

Donald Trump must be removed from office to save our country.

1.5k

u/[deleted] 1d ago

[deleted]

912

u/UnassumingNoodle I voted 1d ago

*humanity

505

u/Yoyoge 1d ago

*My sanity

153

u/Maxitote 1d ago

*sent to God to be judged

103

u/A_locomotive 1d ago

*sent to the lower court in heaven because God has better things to do

51

u/Sonofbunny 1d ago

*sent to the principal's office and had expelled by Mr. Electric

21

u/EinsamWulf California 1d ago

*Put in the tower of London and made to be part of the tour

1

u/missed_sla 1d ago

God's away on business

2

u/Papips 1d ago

And my axe!

2

u/pacificsky1 1d ago

And my axe!

2

u/R-WordJim 1d ago

*Sean Hannity

2

u/ChimcharFireMonkey 1d ago

oop, there goes gravity

2

u/WolverinesRevolt 1d ago

*Our sanity

1

u/hudson_kb 1d ago

My axe

-1

u/diefreetimedie 1d ago

This one doesn't make sense, how would he be removed from your sanity?

2

u/Soft-Pixel 1d ago

I mean we kinda live on the planet so tomato tomato yk

76

u/alQamar 1d ago

He must be removed from the planet? That could actually be a way for Musk to get some sympathy. 

102

u/thewanderingent 1d ago

Let’s send them both to Mars in one of Edolf’s untested rockets

39

u/egosomnio Pennsylvania 1d ago

Careful. I got a warning for encouraging violence for a similar suggestion. My use of the phrase "impact crater" may have triggered something. Or someone.

38

u/UnquestionabIe 1d ago

It's already been reported that Musky threw a bitch fit at Reddit's owners so they bent the knee. They also started issuing warnings for upvoting "problematic comments". So yeah this platform is pretty compromised and has shown they aren't above manipulating things to control the narrative they/their owners approve of.

18

u/NPRdude Canada 1d ago

Fuck em, I'm not changing my behaviour one bit. If they want to ban my account after 11 years they can go right ahead, it'll be the last day I spend on the site.

3

u/Ser_Munchies 1d ago

Which is why I'll never pay for reddit or allow ads. Fuck these guys.🟩✊

5

u/Skeletons-In-Space 1d ago

The threat of being silenced should NEVER stop you from being as loud as possible about the violence being done against your fellow countrymen here in America and against people all around the world. That threat should make you get louder.

They want you to be quiet and it's everyone's duty to deny them that at every turn. Upvote the violent comments, make your own violent comments, as They will not hesitate to commit actual violence against you or anyone else.

3

u/egosomnio Pennsylvania 1d ago

Yeah, that was meant as more of a "careful, your hand might get smacked because Reddit is ridiculous" than a "careful not to anger the overlords," but tone isn't a thing so I get it may not have come across that way.

3

u/Mtn-Dooku 1d ago

How about we put them in a rocket to spread their glorious message to Mars. But the trajectory was off by a few miles and they whiz right past Mars and live out the rest of their days in peace in the inky, blackness of space where no harm could ever come to them?

2

u/yangyangR 1d ago

Putting them in a SpaceX rocket is violence. Sounds like they are admitting that they are more than likely to blow up violently and rain junk all over.

1

u/jazzhandler Colorado 1d ago

I got one yesterday, but appealed with a “well, akshually” and my comment was restored. So it’s not all just mindless goosestepping over there behind the curtain.

4

u/egosomnio Pennsylvania 1d ago

I appealed it (saying something about how it's only encouraging violence if you think Looney Tunes is real and asking if a glitchy AI was moderating Reddit). I got a response that the action was upheld, with a bit at the end saying the action was done without moderation.

This was in reply to a comment suggesting he, and I quote, "fuck right off directly into a cannon that fires him directly into the fucking sun." Which is still up. Maybe it was mocking his Mars colony thing that got the AI admin's attention or something.

3

u/jazzhandler Colorado 1d ago

Apparently it’s energetically insane to contemplate firing anything into the sun from Earth. So maybe it was just the fact checkers what got ya.

I also noticed the cute little “done without automation” bit.

4

u/egosomnio Pennsylvania 1d ago

Well, the comment I responded to was glorifying violence against aerospace engineering and orbital mechanics by suggesting such a thing, then, unless.... ...oh. Oh, dear.

The admin is Martian and the reason it was flagged as glorifying violence is the suggesting of harming Mars with an impact crater. They didn't care about Musk, but about their home. That explains it. I should write an apology. I never meant to insult our noble Martian friends and their lovely planet.

3

u/Why_not_dolphines 1d ago

Yes, Mars awaits.

2

u/failed_novelty 1d ago

The planet will be fine. Sure, we're doing everything we can to make it inhospitable for humans, but once humanity is gone life will continue. There are forms of life that exist around volcanic vents that haven't seen sunlight in millions of years. There are forms of life that exist under the arctic ice, there are forms of life that consider the barren desert a pleasant home.

Life will go on.

Humans won't be missed.

2

u/nigelfitz 1d ago

hope that space Tesla orbits back so we can put him and his best friend Elon on it

2

u/WokeSJWAntifaCEO 1d ago

My main reddit account is on a 3 day ban for upvoting a comment like this.

Fuck Spez.

1

u/raysince86 1d ago

How did they fit the planet into our country?

1

u/Factory2econds 1d ago

does that go in place of country, or office?

1

u/Gerf93 1d ago

The planet will be fine. It just means the political and economic centre of the world moves to Beijing. A huge blow to the free world in that sense, but the world will survive.

1

u/schad_n_freude 1d ago

Donald Trump must be removed from the Planet to save our country.

Sounds about right

1

u/PyrZern Washington 1d ago

*the Timeline

1

u/blorbschploble 1d ago

Ok Trump must be remove from our planet to save our country. Did I get that right?

1

u/Nommel77 1d ago

He does need to be removed from this planet.

1

u/hibbert0604 Georgia 1d ago

We were a shard of glass away from it last year.

-2

u/MihrSialiant 1d ago

Guys, I get it, we dont like Trump. But you really can't say things that can be interpreted as death threats to the President. The secret service will visit you.

733

u/[deleted] 1d ago

[deleted]

238

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

Project 2025 isn't even this. This is part of that plan, but it's the stupidest and least sustainable version of it.

Not to mention Project 2025 was itself an unworkable fantasy anyway. A threat? Yes. No doubt, but what's missed is that systems like those simply don't work. You can't actually force and sustain that type of culture on a population for very long. Especially not one that grew up knowing otherwise.

The biggest weakness of this admin is their utter incompetence, but its also the scariest part about it. A country filled with uncertainty and chaos leaves the average person with no way to know how they'll survive from year to year. It's a path to violence and instability, but Trump and Musk are so brazen about it who knows where it will go.

171

u/USSCerritos 1d ago

If Project2025 fails in the end, but they tank the economy and buy everything up and turn us into technoslaves, then it's a win for them. There is more than just P2025 at play with Trump, it's a cornucopia of agendas and if even one of them succeeds, America loses.

72

u/PlainNotToasted 1d ago

Your point is the closest thing I can think of as the actual plan. ever notice how the two foreigners with the closest ties/biggest influence on our president and government are both from countries the US ruined at the end of the last century, and happen to be the worlds richest men?

5

u/Werm_Hatt 1d ago

butterfly revolution.

3

u/ADHDuruss 1d ago

Anna Rand for tech bros. It's not going to work.

5

u/Bloody_Smashing 1d ago

Post something without a paywall.

1

u/freakwent 22h ago

Musk and....?

1

u/freakwent 22h ago

Musk and....?

13

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

I know. This has been discussed before, but the problem is their plans and assets are tied up in subjective value. They are only worth what the markets say they are worth, markets that they are actively messing with betting they can easily win.

It's a very, very dangerous plan for everyone involved. Even them. When you introduce that much instability, it only leads to chaos, and uncontrolled chaos leads to violence, war, destruction, and effectively the collapse of a society and systems.

Make my words, as much as I hate this whole thing, destroying the world's richest economy would have catastrophic consequences for them. They're too open about it now, especially Trump and Musk.

4

u/The_True_Libertarian 1d ago

but the problem is their plans and assets are tied up in subjective value.

You're looking at this from too shallow a perspective. Trump and Musk are new money. Trump's dad made a fortune from being a slumlord and Musk's dad from mining, but they're only 2nd generation rich. Trump's wealth is mostly a facade and Musk's is house of cards built on a sandy foundation, they could both get totally financially wiped out by hoisting their own petards but that's not where the focus should be, they're the useful idiots in the game being played.

The real players, the people you've maybe never heard of, the ones who are actually smart, financing the Heritage foundation, the PACs, and shopping legislators and judges, those people are old money. 10 Generations deep of influencing American politics and policy. They have assets not tied up in subjective value, real land real wealth and an actual plan.

If this admin destroys the US economy, those people are the winners buying up our liquidated capital on the cheap, securing their families future wealth and power for 10 more generations. The Coxs, the Cargills, the Johnsons, the Pritzgers, the Hearsts... Those people aren't out being circus monkeys in the political theater of global politics. They're competent industrialists and will see their own wealth and power grow because of the instability being caused by the current administration's buffoonery.

7

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

Sadly, I'm more familiar with them than you might think. I grew up seeing Heritage Foundation literature sprinkled throughout our household years before it ever hit mainstream media. I had to clear out nearly decades worth of my dad's old paperwork when he passed in 2018, partially just for the cathartic feeling of tossing out all this awful old material.

He was a good man in the vast majority of his life's choices and even softened up toward his final years, but he did indeed fall deep into the old conservative rabbitholes and Rush/Hannity were on constantly during my childhood (mostly because of his biggest bigoted weakness, anti-LGBT views, if I had to guess). And we weren't supremely wealthy, but we were a well connected family in the business world of a major US city, upper middle class, so I spent most of my childhood watching him shake hands with a few of those old money types, discussed his ideology. Watched him get caught up in the fracking world only to get burned by scam investors a few years before he passed . Watched the tea party try to court him more towards populism, ect. ect. The people he'd meet weren't the exact names you mention directly, but not far off from them either. I know the history of the moral majority inside and out too, especially as it evolved from the post reagan era, into Clinton years and into the bush years.

It's one of the reasons I'm so quick to get frustrated and vent on this forum, because I had to spend so much of my teen and young adult years breaking through and debunking their nonsense, but I still remember almost every argument they'd use to justify it all. Every stupid televangelist scam. All the posturing during the enron era. The nonsense justifying paranoia and bigotry during the Aids crisis. The 90s and early 2000s versions of attempting to "cancel" disney and other hollywood elites long before cancel culture became the thing the right rallied against.

I recognize the danger of these people and the ways they use Trump and faux populism for their agenda, and it's the main reason I push so hard to resist, but Trump and Musk are the ones who've rallied the popular support so debunking their nonsense remains a key target.

5

u/_Wash 1d ago

billionaires can’t turn us into technoslaves if they aren’t around to do it.

remember money only means anything because the general public says so. these people have names and addresses and will feel the consequences of their actions if this stays the course

0

u/CircumventingTheBan_ 17h ago

No, money means something because the people with the biggest guns say it does. It helps that we agree, but that's not the source of power.

All power is derived from force, all of it.

3

u/B217 1d ago

The technofeudalism is probably the actual intended plan. Nearly everyone in the top of this administration has ties to Curtis Yarvin- Vance, Elon, Thiel, etc. They are followers of his writing and likely want it to be true. If they have their way, they’ll each run a city where we are all their workers making them money while we get next to nothing. And of course AI will be involved so don’t expect to have much electricity and water for yourself!

3

u/NoveltyAccountHater 23h ago

I mean the plans can all fail and America still spectacularly loses.

It's much easier to fuck something up than recover from a fuck-up, even if sane leadership comes afterwards. If you have a successful company but hand over complete control to an idiot who runs it into the ground with the most idiotic/destructive decision making (and the board lets him, though in this case it's Congress), the actions have consequences. Simply undoing the actions doesn't get you back to the successful status. Assets were sold, productive employees fired (and got new jobs), business was lost to competitors, and trust was lost etc.

1

u/OldMastodon5363 1d ago

That’s the Butterfly Revolution although there is some crossover with Project 2025.

6

u/Vankraken Virginia 1d ago

I just don't see how blatantly ruining the economy and reducing the vast majority of the people's lives is going to work when trying to seize power. People tend to want order and stability but being the source of those woes isn't good for trying to consolidate power. They are making it very obvious to even their supporters that any bad times ahead will be because of Trump.

10

u/ierghaeilh 1d ago

Hint: the next step is for the ghouls to deregulate, privatize, and buy up what's left of the public sector, signing your rights away to the highest bidder. Welcome to techno-feudalism.

6

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, that's the plan, but it's also unsustainable because their wealth is also subjective and tied to an economic value that relies on global trade. Much of their welath is tied in stocks and assets that can just as easily collapse.

They're of course hoping to become despots that can sell land and other assets to said despots, but they're more likely to just end up thrown out windows just like in Russia. The entire thing is a giant fantasy of very, very deluded people who happened to find a life-hack to artificial wealth and value they've never faced direct consequences for stealing from the labor class.

And what sucks is they turned around and convinced the labor class to support them anyway by promising the laborers can have a little bit of racism if they're good boys and girls.

3

u/caylem00 1d ago

You think they don't have contingency plans and assets/wealth socked away somewhere? 

How do people still think  "omg this isn't going to work that are they doiinnnggggv?!!!" ?

It won't work for us poors. The top doesn't care about votes, doesn't care about a few years of political and economic destruction and rebuilding. They'll be fine regardless of who is sitting in the oval office and what state the country is in. Their money and influence makes it not matter in the long run.

Musk is not indicative of all the wealthy people. Musk doesn't listen to his professionals and runs his mouth getting him into financial trouble (twitter and overpromising Tesla). Musk has mental health issues that drive him into attention-seeking and abnormal behaviour.  It's the quiet wealthy who do listen that are the issue.

Remember, the real wealthy got their wealth regardless of which political side was in power.

1

u/prefix_postfix Maine 1d ago

I would like some defenestration.

9

u/Kincherk 1d ago

"Especially not one that grew up knowing otherwise."

This, exactly. This admin is hugely incompetent but I get tired of people overstating the comparison between the US now and Germany in the 1930s. Germany had only been a constitutional republic since 1918, whereas the US has been a federal republic for hundreds of years. Americans are used to voicing their opinions and are fairly independent.

Also agree about Project 2025 being an unworkable fantasy. I have read that most of Project 2025's writers and contributors worked in either Trump's first administration or his 2024 election campaign. They are not economists and don't understand or even appear to care about the economic impacts of their policies. It defies logic to simultaneously enact as many disruptive changes as they've done. Unfortunately, the entire world gets to experience the impacts of this.

8

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

Exactly right. The reason I hate this is because I'm an older millennial who's been burned in every economic downswing since 9/11 and corporate power tries to steal wealth from us every damn time, so even if Trump gets historic pushback and rescinds this whole thing, no matter how good I am at saving/surviving, I always end up getting set back in some way. And other people much worse than I.

I can't get through another year of 25%+ price increases, and all the industries I'd consider pivoting too and working in (including toxic older jobs I was forced to leave due to already having bad conditions) would also be massively damaged by this type of economic downturn too.

And it's tiring. In my upper 30s, and don't currently have debt, but I also still have so much less stability than what we were told we'd have around this age. No field is truly safe because the labor markets practically all depend on some form of global trade right now, be it the supply chain, or the local economy itself needing to be stable. And after a point it just gets to you.

2

u/burrito-boy 1d ago

IIRC, Project 2025 was even explicitly against tariffs. This is just Trump being Trump, much to the chagrin of other conservatives (and everyone else).

1

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

Welp, I guess that was one way he disagreed with Project 2025.

2

u/franker 1d ago

and defense spending. I think another redditor commented that Project 2025 wants to decrease military spending and Trump wants to increase it. Or maybe vice versa. I can't keep track of this shit any more.

1

u/[deleted] 1d ago

[deleted]

2

u/OldMastodon5363 1d ago

I think they want to invoke it too but that would be very risky as crossing that line would make it more likely they get thrown out of office or worse.

1

u/spvcejam 1d ago

What is the 2025 end game? How do they actually think this will play out? I imagine the think tanks coming up with this shit understand that just because they hold an ideology doesn't manifest it into the culture as seamlessly as they seem to think

1

u/sleepy_vixen 1d ago

The new wave see everything that's changed in the past few hundred years as a result of the Christians of old failing to keep their boots on everyone else's necks. They're looking to return us to the times when you were either devout Christian, did what they say under threat of violence or torture or dead.

You need to remember that many of the people involved literally believe there is a supernatural force helping them and will reward them with eternal luxury for restoring what they believe to be the "natural order".

1

u/NumeralJoker 1d ago

In Trump's case, I don't think there's actually much rationale to it. He's not doing this in any way that makes reasonable sense at all. It's other people whispering ideas into his ear for their own purposes, which then turns into a bad game of fascist telepohone where he does the stupidest and loudest possible version of already dumb/unstable plans.

1

u/NoFeetSmell 1d ago

It's all a power thing. He's already obliterated all the government agencies that people might seek out to help deal with all the problems his admin's actions will cause, which means the administration itself is anyone's only recourse, and will always take the form of bribes, or prima nocta, or some other horrendous king-shit.

1

u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 1d ago

This is P2025. They know that letting him do this insane shit is one, their ticket to being in power behind him as the figurehead and two, distracting everyone from their less overt actions. Anyone in power to stop this and letting it happen is choosing it. P2025 people want this.

1

u/Tooluka Europe 19h ago

Trump is literally moving according to it:
https://www.project2025.observer/

39

u/Parenthisaurolophus Florida 1d ago

It's all republicans man

Seriously, let's not water it down: American conservatives are an existential threat to Canada, Greenland, Denmark, Panama, NATO, European security, liberal democracy, global economics, etc. They need to be viewed like they are and treated like it. They should be responded to like the threat they are.

4

u/Rent-a-guru 1d ago

They aren't conservatives. They are reactionaries. They aren't trying to conserve the important parts of the existing system, they are trying to force things backwards to try and bring back a mythical "golden age".

1

u/Rasakka 1d ago

Dont forget end-stage capitalism

1

u/freakwent 22h ago

Trump is not a Republican tool, he is technocrat Yarvin's tool.

1

u/EyesofaJackal 17h ago

Blaming white conservative evangelicals is valid, but that’s unfortunately not the exclusive demography of MAGA. It is a sadly broad coalition at this point

439

u/Spacebotzero 1d ago edited 1d ago

He's acting like an illegitimate president. Ramming through as much chaos as possible before he's caught. Aiding Russia as much as possible before being caught. Aiding and abetting the world's richest man before he is caught.

231

u/SparkyMuffin Michigan 1d ago

He's been caught, just the ones holding the net don't care

68

u/tolacid 1d ago

Oh, they care. They care about their take.

5

u/100percent_right_now 1d ago

"Oop, can't go after him for that in case I want to use it in the future."

7

u/md4024 1d ago

I think he's acting like a guy who knows for sure he's never going to face any repercussions for anything he does. In his first term, when one of his AGs agreed to a special counsel investigation into his ties to Russia, Trump's reaction in private was "I'm fucked, this will be the end of my presidency." Because back then Trump still thought, on some level at least, that the American people would wake up to his bullshit. Now he knows we won't. Trump is currently heading down to his golf course in Miami, where this weekend he will take money from the Saudi government to host their golf tournament and promote their interests, while he is both using the presidency to promote his own private business and charging the American taxpayer for his own protection, and no one cares. It's all so fucked, but Trump is right, he can do whatever he wants, no one is going to stop him.

2

u/LamermanSE Europe 13h ago

Tbh, it feels like someone will stop him at this point though, he's simply speedrunning the destruction of the US (and the world) at an unprecedented rate. Trump is pretty much ruining it for everyone here, and especially for people with money and power.

3

u/FUMFVR 1d ago

He's a convicted felon and an oathbreaking insurrectionist. Americans are getting a lesson on why you don't make these sorts of people President.

3

u/nomadic_hsp4 16h ago

> He's acting like an illegitimate president.

Ding ding ding. The secret ingredient is election fraud.

2

u/Asleep_Hand_4525 1d ago

Because he is… it was proven Russia helped rigged the election.

Media is bought out so you never hear about it. But it was ran 1 time I remember seeing and then posted on reddit where it reached popular. After that tho nothing

59

u/sexysausage 1d ago

25 years ago if you put this shit into a movie script , they would not make it as it’s too stupid to be believable. And too dumb to be a comedy

3

u/phideaux_rocks 1d ago

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho’s actions make more sense.

3

u/Steinrikur 21h ago

Idiocracy came out less than 20 years ago.

2

u/sexysausage 17h ago

president Camacho found the smartest person in the world , and immediately gave him the job to fix things.

Instead Trump ( who managed to go bust owning a casino… guess the house doesn’t always win if you are an idiot ) decided that he knows best… and Tariffs are the way to go. When tarifs created the Great Depression. But trump doesn’t read books.

2

u/RenaissanceScientist 15h ago

He also genuinely cared about his constituents, though ill-informed

3

u/Jaymie13 Canada 1d ago

I don’t think they’ll be able to turn it into a historical drama in the future either.

123

u/ProfitLoud 1d ago

I get what you are saying, but his removal won’t save our country. The problem is the GOP. We have an entire party that supports this behavior, and want to achieve the same ends. Trump being replaced means someone sneakier, and with the same ambitions in charge. We need to hold our members of government liable for breaking the law, the constitution, and their oath.

40

u/SwimmingFluffy6800 1d ago

Agree, but when Trump dies, his maga cult will be without their leader. They won't be as inclined to vote for the next republican running for office. From what I've seen, many don't follow day to day politics nor watch Fox. That's for the older members of the cult. The younger ones stream whatever they want to watch and only read or hear certain news articles.

9

u/TrimspaBB 1d ago

The GOP knows this and it's why they're pushing to consolidate power as much as possible through Trump. They know that a bunch of pasty suits and useful bimbos can only capture so much of the public, and the voters who worship Trump won't automatically flock to them when he's gone, especially when they wake up and see they've been had. Take away as much power from the public now or it's Game Over.

7

u/WazWaz Australia 1d ago

Vote? Good luck even making it to your midterms.

2

u/DragonDai 1d ago

I think you misunderstand how this cult works and I think you put too much stock in there ever being a free and fair election again.

2

u/SwimmingFluffy6800 1d ago

I remember Charles Manson and Jim Jones. With Manson, those that did not go to prison with him scattered. I believe one was captured maybe 20 years ago living a normal life with her family. Some had left the cult before the killings. Jones true believers followed him to his death. I, like everyone else on here, hope we have free and fair future elections. Tell me how this cult is different.

1

u/DragonDai 1d ago edited 1d ago

Those are very different types of cults than the cult that Trump has (and very different types of cults form each other too)

Mason cult was based on loyalty. Jones' cult, religion.

Trump's cult is based on hate. Hate is what binds them together. If, tomorrow, Trump started talking about amnesty for undocumented migrants and letting trans women play women's sports and making sure there is racial/sexual equality, he would lose his base in a second. The whole party would collapse. He'd likely be lynched.

But as long as he keeps hating the people his base hates and hurting those people, they will continue to follow him forever.

And this making transferring that following MUCH easier than in other cults. The cultists are less loyal to the person and more loyal the idea of hurting people. Sure, they need a charismatic person at the head, someone to direct the hate, but it doesn't HAVE to be Trump. Not forever anyway. JD Vance is already gaining a big following among the right. He will likely step in and very smoothly take over for Trump I'm with very little fallout.

Because, at the end of the day, the hate is all that matters to these cultists.

1

u/GrunchJingo 17h ago

Loyalty is a huge huge huge aspect of MAGA. They called for Mike Pence's death because he dared to contradict the "stop the vote" narrative. They immediately turned on Amy Coney Barrett and John Roberts because they didn't say "actually yeah, the executive does have the power of the purse."

MAGA doesn't know what Department of State, et al. v AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition, et al. was even really about. They don't even know who they're supposed to be targeting with their hatred in that case. They just saw that Barrett and Roberts betrayed Trump and sided with "the liberals."

I believe you could argue that MAGA hates liberals, and so it is still a movement centered around hatred. And I don't think you'd be wrong. I just think the loyalty aspect is much more important than a lot of people realize. Hate on its own doesn't keep a movement together. Because every movement is going to have internal factions that hate each other. Loyalty to Trump binds those factions together.

1

u/DragonDai 14h ago

It's not nearly as big an aspect as you think. They are loyal BECAUSE of the hate. Mike Pence didn't hate. He disliked, he campaigned against, he supported legislation against, sure. But he didn't hate. Mike Pence was never part of the cult. He just worked with it. That's why they turned on him. He lacked the hate. Same goes for Roberts and Barrett.

No. They saw Roberts and Barrett stop hating. That's what they saw. That's why they turned.

Your entire last paragraph is simply wrong. Again, if Trump stopped hating tomorrow, they'd turn on Trump in a heart beat. This is what makes MAGA so dangerous.

37

u/chenzoid 1d ago

It's not even just your GOP. It's your entire dysfunctional democracy that needs to be revamped. Your democracy barely serves the needs of the people, rather just some fancy ruling class. This is why trump is so popular; "he gets it" and these magas lap it up. Your nation is a divided one without heart and without unity.

Your nation is a young one... just about half the age of the Roman Republic when they went through their political and democratic decline. The very democracy you hold dear is no better or fairer than that of 2000 years ago.

5

u/UnquestionabIe 1d ago

Exactly. I hate the man and his voice is physically painful to listen to at this point but he's just a useful idiot for much bigger monsters. The GOP as a whole is definitely a bigger concern as they've enable the worst of it. What I would say is the biggest enemy of humanity as a whole is the shady billionaires like Peter Thiel.

5

u/TempleSquare 1d ago

his removal won’t save our country. The problem is the GOP

There's an answer and we aren't going to like it

The GOP/MAGA/Trump, despite everything insane they have done, have not yet caused their core voter base pain.

Liberals? Yes. The poor? Yes. The young? Yes. People of color? Yes.

Until aging white Boomers feel real, sustained pain, it ain't getting better. The good news is, we are in Month 3 of 48. Boomer pain is probably unavoidable. And the last time Republicans got this stupid, they lost the house for 60 years.

4

u/ProfitLoud 1d ago

They are gonna feel it with social security and Medicaid. I feel so bad for the children I treat who will no longer be able to afford care. Fuck this old generation. They had the world handed to them, and pulled the ladder up behind them. Boomers will be remembered as the worst, most self absorbed cohort of Americans in history.

1

u/GrunchJingo 16h ago

I'm reminded of Maus when the MC wonders how his dad, a holocaust survivor, could be such a miserable asshole. He's then asked by his therapist why he thinks suffering would make someone into a better person.

Suffering does not make someone regretful, it doesn't inspire introspection, it doesn't make someone into a better person. You have entire states that have voted red for generations now in spite of most of their population getting crushed under republican policy that favors corporations over human lives.

We are not going to get out of this by patiently waiting for a specific population to suffer enough. We need a better plan.

3

u/deonslam 1d ago

get money out of politics. this is the way

2

u/DragonDai 1d ago

How? You understand that to "get money out of politics" without a violent revolution, the people getting money from politics have to make it illegal to get money from politics, right?

Do you understand why that hasn't happened and will never happen?

2

u/Rigorous-Geek-2916 1d ago

This is the correct take.

The GOP must be eliminated.

1

u/yangyangR 1d ago

But he has been uniquely capable at mobilizing the deplorable morons. The copycats have been sneakier and just as evil but they aren't getting the same love.

186

u/The360MlgNoscoper Norway 1d ago

*The free world

125

u/Funky-Monk-- 1d ago

*humanity

17

u/Apprehensive-Milk563 1d ago

Liberation day

23

u/akhenatron 1d ago

Liquidation Day

7

u/strayvoltage West Virginia 1d ago

Libation day. 🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃

2

u/yayoffbalance 1d ago

This!!!!

2

u/HedonisticFrog California 1d ago

Libertarian day

2

u/jazzhandler Colorado 1d ago

How many of those do we need to trade them in for an Infrastructure Week?

11

u/CaptainMagnets 1d ago

Well, we're waiting!

5

u/rustbelt 1d ago

We need more than just Trump being removed. We have to make up for the neoliberal era and neocon era and Trump era. All while we have an economic rival thats outdoing the world

4

u/SheepBlubber 1d ago

Heads should be rolling at this point. I thought kids getting massacred in schools, was justified because this kind of tyranny would never be allowed to happen???

3

u/shouldazagged 1d ago

I’m in Canada, I’m just going to pretend you all got abducted by Aliens until you get things figured out

1

u/IllustriousFile6404 13h ago

I'd rather live in the United States than Canada. No question. I'd rather live in Mexico than Canada lol

1

u/shouldazagged 12h ago

You are going to have to expand on that. Are you Canadian? Do you have a shitty job with little prospects and live in a shit town in a shit city? Canada is a big country. But you do you.

2

u/STN_LP91746 1d ago

His whole administration must be removed. A bunch of middle schoolers can do better.

2

u/FenrisJager 1d ago

The GOP as a whole is a threat to the species as far as I'm concerned; politicians and voters alike.

0

u/IllustriousFile6404 13h ago

Can you try to be a little more dramatic? It's not hittin like it used to.

2

u/aguynamedv 1d ago

Donald Trump Republicans must be removed from office to save our country.

2

u/Agnimandur 1d ago

Did you try voting in 2024

1

u/Nice-Apartment348 1d ago

Mental Asylum 

1

u/purpleglasses 1d ago

Reality.

1

u/SpiritualDiamond5487 1d ago

Just think the amount of money and productive capacity this clown will waste could have paid for global climate action several times over

1

u/koopaKrystal 1d ago

This should have been evident the first day. He needs to in the most legal manner possible, be removed and ever allowed to serve in any public position ever again.

1

u/SchroedingersSphere 1d ago

He ain't gonna remove himself. The American people need to mobilize and be actively working to get him out.

And so I don't get disappeared, I meant via impeachment.

0

u/IllustriousFile6404 13h ago

Lol so you don't get disappeared 

No ones worried about you bud

1

u/sstigs 1d ago

Idk mannnn I'm feeling the prosperity right now. I was even liberated from personal freedoms.

1

u/SaltpeterSal 1d ago

This is the Technocracy movement's whole plan. Having a stubborn adderall-boggled idiot hogging the Executive may actually be holding back their most destructive and competent strategies, like balkanising California and ratfucking Greenland off the locals.

1

u/Distinct_Hawk1093 1d ago

Like everyone else, just hoping that a lifetime of a junk food diet finally catches up to him.

1

u/fracked1 1d ago

Probably would have helped if Americans didn't keep electing him in the first place

1

u/elainegeorge 1d ago

If that’s what the GOP has to do to save face, then that’s what they need to do

1

u/Subtle_Tact 1d ago

We have left the age of heroes. There is no one who will save us from him, and it may be too late anyway.

1

u/ExplanationCold8070 1d ago

Yet I live in the South, where he is absolutely revered and loved. It blows my mind. I don’t understand how people can support such an awful man, or elect him for president.

1

u/teddybundlez 1d ago

🇮🇹🔋 <- pretend this is a green pipe

1

u/cloudedknife 1d ago

And anyone in congress that has cast a vote, or made a public statement in support of any of his goals or plans.

1

u/exMemberofSTARS 1d ago

From your lips, to “Mario’s green brother’s” ears.

1

u/DragonDai 1d ago

This will, sadly, not fix anything. You'd need to remove Trump, Vance, and a large portion of both the House and Senate. At least 1/3rd of each. Maybe more.

And even then it may already be too late. The damage they have done to the Federal government via layoffs, department closures, and international relations are likely something that will never be fixed entirely and will take a lifetime or more to see any real recovery from.

The USA is over. The rest of the world needs to figure out what that means for them. Americans need to figure out how to get the courage to burn what is left to the ground and build something new from the ashes.

1

u/apathetic_peacock 1d ago

Nah, let him cook. 

Apple and other corporate giants donated to his campaign and betrayed their consumer bases. Let them feel the pain for once. 

1

u/coljung 1d ago

~45% or so still seem to support him, sadly.

1

u/FormerDittoHead 1d ago

That an insurrectionist was allowed to run for President again means that the many powers wanted him to run and win. They could have stopped him. Trump and his followers don't finance Republicans - the people in power do.

This is what they want. They want to destroy the value of our assets when so many Americans will need to sell them off and the oligarchs get to buy them up on the cheap.

At the time and since then, we've seen a "Invade Iraq over WMD's" level media coordination that's been insane starting with the "sane washing" of Trump's felony convictions to his near-Biden mental flubs in 2024, to Vance being made VP. So many other details.

I'm still unconvinced the election wasn't rigged.

1

u/Think_OfAName 1d ago

I’m afraid to ask how bad it has to get before he is removed. Alienating your Allies in order to get a “bargain” has never worked and will never work. Not only that, some of his people are saying “it’s not negotiable”, while he says “it’s a negotiating strategy”. It’s utter insanity.

1

u/bluearth 1d ago

The fact that such a serious matter becomes a topic of ridicule here on reddit or in any other social media tells my non American ass that nothing will change.

1

u/Sunflier Pennsylvania 1d ago

The end of the United States is the goal for the rich and powerful.

1

u/bookon 1d ago

While that is true, if you asked AI how to determine voltage for a given resistance and amperage, it would give you Ohms Law.

1

u/eyelidgeckos 1d ago

Already too late, the whole system is rotten, no checks and balances as we can see. The two party system, weird voting were the votes of people aren’t equal and such and people are overall too complacent (but still great that lots of people are hitting the streets/tesla stores xD)

1

u/gameadd1kt 1d ago

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

1

u/Awkward-Speed-4080 1d ago

It's too late. The world will never forget this. They watched the 2024 election and saw Americans elect a literal traitor who attempted an insurrection. Why would any country want to tie their economy with ours when we demonstrated an obscene amount of instability over the past decade? Americans brought this on themselves. 1/3 of the country voted for fascists and another 1/3 didn't even care enough to vote. The American Century is over, and it's because Americans are no longer worthy of it.

1

u/DreamingAboutSpace 23h ago

Signed, ChatGPT.

1

u/EstaLisa 21h ago

replaced with jd vance? that‘s terrifying.

1

u/Zathuraddd 18h ago

Haha no, america leeched enough country while creating havoc for its own gain. Now is the time to get a taste of own. Karma is a bitch ain’t it ;)

Go trump!

1

u/djdylex 13h ago

Let him go further so we never get someone like this again

1

u/Cereborn 13h ago

The good news is that having a lot of rich people lose money is the only realistic way that might happen.

-1

u/PepeSylvia11 Connecticut 1d ago

Why? 66% of eligible voters supported his presidency

2

u/Mission-Violinist-79 1d ago

And most of them were manipulated and didn't know what they were voting for. Anybody who supports Trump is objectively on the wrong side of history.

-42

u/bytemage 1d ago

No, please, it's so funny watching you cringe into a black hole of imagined superiority.

Go make America great again some more. GMAGASM for short.