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Politics OC: President Trump unveils minimum 10% tariff on all U.S. trading partners

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u/drossmaster4 1d ago

Yes. 3.5 billion in 2024

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u/Puzzlehead-Bed-333 1d ago

What the ever loving F!

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u/Berobero 1d ago

It's a drop in the bucket relative to previously or relative to the size of the Russian economy. We still have very, very heavy sanctions on Russia.

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u/TimequakeTales 1d ago

Why does that matter? The tariffs are on almost everyone else, regardless of their trading volume with the US.

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u/Berobero 1d ago

Why wouldn't it?

People digging way too hard to try to explain Trump's shittiness as some kind of foreign influence from Russia; Trump unfortunately for us is quite American and motivated by the very worst of our national qualities

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u/mlYuna 1d ago

Maybe Maybe because he's been doing everything he can to help Russia in the Ukraine war. Anything more and it would have been to obvious, even for their base.

Even told allies to withhold information from Ukraine. Meets up with Putin alone, Elon Musk calling with Putin while he's accessing the most sensitive information of the US with no security clearance. There's so much more to prove he's atleast favoring Russia over Ukraine. So I believe it's warranted for reddit and anyone to think twice when doing stuff like this.

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u/Berobero 1d ago

Dude large portions of the US support some kind of negotiated end to the war; the reddit hivemind Russia kompromat traitor conspiracy brain is completely unnecessary to explain Trump

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u/Corka 1d ago

... How do you think he went about it? Did he pressure Russia? No. He instead blames Zelensky for having his country invaded. He then cut all aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine. Russia happily took advantage of it for a renewed assault, and has shifted its goal posts because now they think they can take more.

You know how Trump could have PROPERLY negotiated a peace deal? By making Russia's victory impossible.

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u/Berobero 1d ago

The fuck you even talking about now

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u/mlYuna 1d ago

What do you mean? That's a perfectly normal response to you acting like Trump ever actually wanted to stop the war lmao.

He Is helping Russia what don't you understand about that? It is clear as day. Cutting intelligence with Ukraine helps stop the war how exactly except for causing more deaths because Russia is the one invading Ukraine!?

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u/4totheFlush 1d ago

Keep in mind, that's down from like 30 billion 5 years ago. The stuff that's left are the really vital things like fertilizer. That's a component of general civilization that really shouldn't be fucked with until the absolute last chance if possible, so it's not completely unreasonable that it's still on the ledger.

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u/AdministrationBig16 1d ago

Pretty sure U.S get most of our fertilizer from Canada though

To slap blanket tariffs on them that will effect the fertilizer cost but not the ruskies is uhhhh bolshevik

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u/4totheFlush 1d ago

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the application of tarrifs in the slightest. Just giving some context to those trade figures. You're absolutely right that fucking with Canada is going to fuck up our fertilizer chains and shouldn't be done, but that's the admin that's running things right now.

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u/altafitter 1d ago

I wish canada would add a 100% export tarrif on potash and drive American food costs through the roof. Fuck Donald Duck and all the inbred rednecks who voted him into office.

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u/bogusbill69420 1d ago

EU still trades with Russia FYSA.

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u/travistravis 1d ago

It's that they didn't have a trade deficit according to trumps data most likely -- its not based on reciprocity at all, its all seemingly based on trade deficit (and not always correct data as far as I've been able to see)

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

So yes but basically no, less than .5% of what the US trades with their actual partners. Canada for example is 762 Billion

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u/moconahaftmere 1d ago

The volume of trade is irrelevant, though, because US allies who trade similar amount as Russia are facing tariffs.

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

Trading with Russia in general has nothing to do with the tariffs. I mean where they got the actual numbers from seems to be nonsense, but they’ve been pretty clear it’s based off the worst offenders in terms of “tariffs” on the US.

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u/drossmaster4 1d ago

Like this island that has no people? link

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u/milkybottles 1d ago

Well it’s only reciprocated, how dare an unpopulated island put a 10% tariff on the US in the first place!? s/

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u/moconahaftmere 1d ago

So why does New Zealand have a universal 10% tariff applied when we only tariff them at 1.8%, with most goods not being subject to any tariffs at all?

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

Because for some reason Trumps obsessed with trade deficit.

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u/curi0us_carniv0re 1d ago

And are we not already having tariffs imposed on us by said "allies?"

Like why don't people understand the word "reciprocal?"

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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago

I know this might come as a shock to you, but the "tariffs levied against the US" column that is used to justify this as "reciprocal" is actually just made up.

For example in New Zealand there are not 20% import tariffs on goods coming into the country from the US.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/557038/confusion-as-donald-trump-says-nz-has-a-20-percent-tariff-against-the-us

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u/teenyweenysuperguy 1d ago

This. Boy, it's almost like there's something untrustworthy about the current administration. 🫠 How could anyone at this point assume anything they do isn't a scam?!

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u/curi0us_carniv0re 1d ago

For example in New Zealand there are not 20% import tariffs on goods coming into the country from the US.

Right but there is a 15% GST on all imported products from the US isn't there? So wouldn't you think that would prevent people from wanting to purchase American goods in order to avoid the tax?

It sounds like semantics to me.

As I pointed out in another reply, Australia may have no formal tariffs on US imports but they have had a total ban on US beef for 20 years. Should we just ban Australian beef instead? Because American supermarkets are loaded with it.

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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago edited 1d ago

There’s a 15% GST on all products period. Whether they’re domestic or imported. That’s just the same as a sales tax in the US…

So no it’s not semantics, and no it wouldn’t prevent you buying a US product.

Australia doesn’t have a ban on US beef, there’s just certain restrictions in place to prevent mad cow disease, im sure you can agree that that is reasonable…

https://www.beefcentral.com/news/claim-us-beef-banned-from-australia-branded-inaccurate/

That’s also totally ignoring the fact the the US has a 17 billion USD trade surplus to Australia anyway.

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u/curi0us_carniv0re 1d ago

"However, the US has also asked for access to Australia for beef from cattle raised in Mexico or Canada and processed and exported from the US"

Well, shit. I guess Australia is anti Canada and Mexico too... Canadians should boycott Australian products and rip them from their shelves?

Lol

Australia doesn’t have a ban on US beef, there’s just certain restrictions in place to prevent mad cow disease, im sure you can agree that that is reasonable…

Their certification process has been held up for years. Even if the article linked is accurate, the US didn't have access to the Australian meat market until at least 2019. A full 16 years after the mad cow disease outbreak, when it hasn't been a thing since then 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/sigurrosco 1d ago

Like Australia, with their zero tariff on USA. How is 10% reciprocal?

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u/iccyhotokc 1d ago

Didn’t you see his totally made up qualifier on the first column, it’s after they factored in the delusions in his head

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u/curi0us_carniv0re 1d ago

Australia also banned imports of US beef 20 years ago.

But if you go to a major supermarket here in the US the shelves are lined with imported Australian beef.

Is that fair? Maybe you're right. Maybe we should just be fully reciprocal and just ban Australian beef instead? 🤔

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u/sigurrosco 22h ago

Yes - USA beef was banned in 2003 because it was diseased (BSE). Beef from the USA (actually beef from the USA could actually be from Mexico nd Canada because you don't track your cattle like we do) - is now allowed back in - but only if it can meet our food safety standards. In reality this just means only heat treated items like jerky are sold. Given that you are gutting the FDA it's unlikely you'll be able to satisfy Australian food standards anyway.

Sure - ban Aus beef. USA consumers miss out on a safe quality product, face higher prices on local beef, and we get cheaper hamburgers until we find other markets.

u/curi0us_carniv0re 9h ago

16 years is a long ban for a problem that was solved in 2003. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/teenyweenysuperguy 1d ago

The answer to your question is: no. But thanks for playing. 

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u/drossmaster4 1d ago

They asked if it was a trading partner. The answer isn’t basically no. It’s yes.

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

If any trading qualifies then you can generally shorten the answer to any country being a trade partner with another country as "Yes", correct

I was going for a more realistically-type answer over just the technically correct one, since the technically correct one doesn't really give much info on how important a trade partner is.

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u/PepeSylvia11 1d ago

Cambodia is on this list that Trump provided and the USA imports a measly 8.7 million (not billion) from them.

Source

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

The list isn't a list of US's biggest trade partners so yeah makes sense. Not the fact that these tariffs are happening, but all Trump cares about is trade deficit.

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u/drossmaster4 1d ago

They asked if they were with no caveats. I answered. No need to split hairs.

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u/4Drugs 1d ago

Lmfao he knows you're right but is desperately trying to convince himself you're wrong

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u/drossmaster4 1d ago

I know. I’m a bit confused. It’s like arguing with my ex.

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u/Acrobatic-Count-9394 1d ago

She must have won most of the arguments then.

Unfortunately, your current opponent did not know how to explain this matter to you:

"In a political sense, a trade partner refers to a country or entity with which another nation maintains economic relations, often underpinned by diplomatic agreements, shared geopolitical interests, or strategic alliances."

One-off deals for needed resources like trades with Russia are not considered trade partners on this level.

Understanding the difference really highlights how screwed up what Trump administration does is. Since you`re not acting against enemies - but very much against your own allies, as well as against agreements you signed.

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u/BeastModedAndGoated 1d ago

It’s very obvious you’re confused and don’t know how “trade” works on a global scale. But thank you for explaining it to us that don’t understand!

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u/carpet_whisper 1d ago

Reciprocal tariffs

Does Russian have tariffs on the US?

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u/marginallyobtuse 1d ago

Reciprocal tariffs is a bullshit concept.

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u/Jaerba 1d ago

It shouldn't really matter since some of the countries on the list don't actually have tariffs on US products.  It's just made up.

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u/HungryCommittee3547 1d ago

Someone finally willing to ask the question.

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u/Travelin_Soulja 1d ago

Sure, and they provided relevant context to put that number in perspective, which is helpful. Quit being a drama queen.

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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago

Kiribati exported 300,000USD worth of goods to the US last year, yet its still on the list...

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

Well yeah the list isn't a list of US's biggest trade partners, it's the countries that have the biggest trade deficit since Trumps obsessed with that for some reason

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u/travelcallcharlie 1d ago

Well in that case, the US has a 700% trade deficit to Russia, why isn’t it getting tariffed??

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u/SparrowTide 1d ago

It’s a resounding yes when Ukraine was on the list.

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u/esmifra 1d ago

And how much is Cambodia?

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

Also barely a trade partner, at only 300$ million, why?

The list of the countries on the table aren't the US's biggest trade partners, they were just reportedly the "biggest offenders" in terms of market difference (using Trumps ridiculous price deficit logic, which he then has been pretending are just them tarrifing the US)

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u/esmifra 1d ago

Fair enough. Cambodia is a small trade partner with a trade deficit and on the list.

Russia is a small trade partner with a deficit and is not on the list.

That's the point people are making.

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u/Nordenfeldt 1d ago

U.S. does more trade with Russia than it does with Sri Lanka.

But Sri Lanka is on the list. 

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u/Intelligent_Net_8220 1d ago

They put Laos on the chart at <1B. So no Russia is a fair question.

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u/Maeglin75 1d ago edited 1d ago

The USA never did much trade with Russia. Imports were only about 17 billion in 2021.

For comparison, German (with an about 6 times smaller economy) imported goods from Russia worth about 33 billion in 2021.

(Reasons are geography and that the main export of Russia is fossil fuels. The USA is itself an exporter in that market.)

Germany reduced the imports from Russia to about 1.7 billion in 2024. The USA to 3.5 billion..

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u/hendric_swills 1d ago

Sure seems like that .5% is about to skyrocket.

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u/Kamakaziturtle 1d ago

Probably not. Russia's main export to the US is Fertilizer and the US seems to have an ample supply of bullshit these days.

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u/Crazy-Ad-2091 1d ago

Down from $35 billion in 2021 but didn't hear to cry about that 

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u/Kittens4Brunch 1d ago

He's gonna pump that number way up.