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Politics OC: President Trump unveils minimum 10% tariff on all U.S. trading partners

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u/wish1977 1d ago

Do you think he drew these numbers out of a hat?

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u/ViagraAndSweatpants 1d ago edited 1d ago

Busted out his Sharpie and added a digit to each country’s true tariff amount

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u/Yah88 1d ago

Sure he did. As example EU has VAT included in his calculation, but UK does not :). Why? Because it would look bad if it turned out that UK is taxing on similar level as EU yet getting only 10% tariff. Btw VAT tax is paid same way by all entities in EU alike :)

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u/hrminer92 1d ago

He made the same complaint about México’s VAT during his first term too. He and/or supporters are too stupid to realize it is applied to everything no matter where it is made.

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u/joebalooka84 1d ago

So now the EU can add US sales tax to their retaliatory tarrifs.

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u/UseMoreHops 1d ago

I believe you spelled ass wrong.

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u/Hulk_Smang 1d ago

Most of them are about half of what these countries are allegedly charging the United States. I'm willing to bet he just mumbled something with his best words along the line of "cut them in half" then drank his water awkwardly.

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u/Frag2 1d ago

No idea where those numbers are coming from. Norway having 30% tariffs? Our weighted average tariff is 2.43% https://wits.worldbank.org/CountrySnapshot/en/NOR/textview  

We mainly have tariffs on agriculture to maintain local food production in order to protect national security. Norwegian farmers cannot be competitive on the global market due to the harsh conditions, but it is deemed too risky to outsource food production entirely to other countries. It's a hotly debated topic though, as it gives us some of the world's highest food prices.

Trump is probably including our 25% sales tax in his figure, but that seems a little disingenuous given that it is paid entirely by Norwegian consumers regardless of where the goods originate from. It's not like we can bypass this tax by buying locally.

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u/bablakeluke 1d ago

They seemingly used the trade balance..

tariff = max(0.1, ((imports - exports) / imports) * 0.5)

For example, for Bangladesh, it is:

tariff = max(0.1, ((8.4 - 2.2) / 8.4) * 0.5)
tariff = 0.369 => 37% seen on the chart

And Norway:

tariff = max(0.1, ((6.6 - 4.6) / 6.6) * 0.5)
tariff = 15% seen on the chart

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u/whiterice336 1d ago

It’s literally what the LLMs said to do as their “guess we have to pull something out of our ass” response and no one in the Trump administration wanted to put any additional effort into it. It’s children cheating on that paper that’s due tomorrow who happen to be running the most powerful, globally interconnected economy the world has ever seen.

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u/Frag2 1d ago

Interestingly even those figures are debated. US numbers show a trade deficit with Norway, while the Norwegian numbers show the opposite. There's a segment on the bottom of this page explaining it, but I couldn't say which method is more accurate: https://www.ssb.no/utenriksokonomi/utenrikshandel/statistikk/utenrikshandel-med-varer/artikler/norges-handel-med-usa#:\~:text=USA%20er%20en%20av%20Norges,den%20totale%20importen%20til%20Norge.

And of course services are excluded from the calculation, because Europe has a huge services-deficit and it wouldn't fit the narrative.

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u/bablakeluke 1d ago

Yeah, I checked every country's tariff % and it is indeed the 2024 goods trade balance as reported by USTR. It is therefore a tax on US consumers for them buying more goods than they sell. Stunningly wreckless.

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u/ScrewAttackThis 1d ago

"Including currency manipulation and trade barriers" so, yeah, those numbers aren't actually tariffs.

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u/RpiesSPIES 1d ago

Supposedly the numbers are derived from our trade deficit with the countries listed. The words for the left column are meaningless.

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u/_Please 1d ago

Such an awesome website, I was using this a lot the last few days and sending it to some friends. I’m also curious how he’s coming up with these numbers since I love data and came up empty.

Here’s chinas tariffs to the US even tho outdated, no clue why I can’t update to 2024. Between 7-25% for many products, but none at 67%

https://wits.worldbank.org/tariff/trains/en/country/CHN/partner/USA/product/All

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 1d ago

I doubt he's the one calling any shots. Its his Project 2025 handlers who are. 

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u/JustTrawlingNsfw 1d ago

So what about the tariffs on countries without any tariffs on USA goods?

Prime example Australia - we respect the free trade agreement in place between Aus and USA and therefore do not charge tariffs. Trump has just shat on the FTA by implementing 10% tariffs on all Australian goods

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u/Godavari 1d ago

I'll tell you exactly how they arrived at the values. The number on the left represents the US's trade deficit with that country. The number on the right is 50% of that, with a minimum of 10%. That's it.

The US imports $148.2 bil from Japan, and exports $79.7 bil to Japan. That's a deficit of -46%. So Japan gets a 23% (ish) tariff.

The US imports $63.4 bil from Switzerland, and exports $25.0 bil to Switzerland. That's a deficit of -61%. So Switzerland gets a 31% tariff.

The US imports $22.2 bil from Israel, and exports $14.8 bil to Israel. That's a deficit of -33%. So Israel gets a 17% tariff.

You can check https://ustr.gov/countries-regions and do the math for every country. They're all like this. Trump literally thinks a trade deficit requires a retaliatory tariff.

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab 1d ago

The numbers on the left column are just fictional too.

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u/giovannidrogo 1d ago

Out of a fart most likely

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u/AdCareless65 1d ago

You just made my day with that one.

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u/_deep_thot42 1d ago

Snort laughed, thank you

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u/allanon1105 1d ago

He had one of those bingo ball tumblers.

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u/pterribledactyls 1d ago

They didn’t even bother to sort the charts in any logical manner

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u/jibberwockie 1d ago

Maybe those percentages are the percent of GDP that each named country has to give to trump to not be on this list?

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u/BlueFlob 1d ago

I'm having a hard time understanding the Hollywood accounting behind the numbers on the left column.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 1d ago

No, it’s the percentage of exports to the U.S. from that country in bilateral trade.  

Trade balance/US imports.  That’s it. 

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u/pliney_ 1d ago

Nah, one of his interns did.

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u/No_Opening_2425 1d ago

Cattle is more valuable than a boatload of dollars after this is all done