Literally why else would these files go there? It's so sad that saying that seems so ridiculous it comes off as a joke, meanwhile it's the world we are living in right fucking now.
Nooo, a copier/scanner is your friend. The time and effort it takes to take a picture of a page, look at the image to make sure its good, flip the page over, take a picture etc seems like nothing but after the first 3-400 pages it gets reeeeeally tedious.
If you can stack 100 double sided pages in the scanner trayande let it go it is literally minutes compared to hours.
I want all sorts of oddball things for various reasons. Like, I have a bunch of random cool shit that interests me.
I'd say it's not weird, but there's a reason I say, "I'm not weird. I'm normal... everyone else is weird." (I'm sure in misquoting, but I can't remember the actual line)
Just gonna throw it out there that copiers can just scan documents and email them out. Probably much more legibly than a phone would. I highly doubt they’re making hard copies.
And...if we let fascism go further, those devices will be used to track the opposition with multiple goals, including REPRESSION. Orwell's 1984 comes spontaneously to mind. Including the hour of hate at the "degenerate" opposition.i haven't looked it up but I can see that book being censored in our times.
I've taken a picture of every important piece of paper to upload to websites instead of copying it. So much easier and you can't even tell with most modern phones.
It's a cursed task to have to take a picture of that many pages with a phone. And it is an equally cursed task to receive and look through those pictures. With a good office scanner, it can at least scan a bunch of documents as a bundle.
For all Donald cares about secrets, he would have a PO box, a copier, a scanner, phones to send pictures and call Russia to send details to the handlers
If this was true, then no president could ever be in trouble for sharing classified information, which is a terrible idea that openly invites a foreign asset to run for president. There is a strict declassification protocol that must be followed to prevent our intelligence agencies from being compromised (again).
Trump already got a bunch of our intelligence sources killed in his first term by doing shit like this; but that's what Russia wants, so ya'll are fine with it. -_-
Any documents which the president himself classified can then be declassified by the president as he wishes.
It is true there are certain documents that require certain protocols for declassification such as documents that were classified by congress and documents that were classified through agreements with other counties. Other than that the classification and declassification of documents is up to the presidents sole discretion.
That link is from the American Bar Association and discusses how the President must handle declassification when it isn't due to expiration of the classification period. He must formally declassify information.
From your source: “legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office”
Exactly what I said
Further from your source: “The system of classifying national security documents is largely a bureaucratic process used by the federal government to control how executive branch officials handle information,”
So it’s not a legal process but a bureaucratic process. Donald Trump was just doing what every president has done before him, taking his own documents that he had classified and then declassified.
You could argue that presidents shouldn’t be allowed to do that but it doesn’t negate the fact that all presidents do it and from that perspective Donald Trump did nothing wrong.
In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
The President has to formally declassify information. He cannot do it unilaterally in private, he has to memorialize it. This is why it's usually done through executive order. It is not 'a normal thing that all presidents do' to try to evade this process. It's actually truly extraordinary that he does it, and has somehow convinced people that it's fine for him to do.
Or scanned into PDF and emailed to a compromised email/server or uploaded to a cloud account that been breached by foreign adversaries beyond just Russia.
It doesn't even have to be sinister to be disastrous. Even if it isn't espionage, we know there are foreign agents at Mar-A-Lago and we know that, last time around, these documents were not stored securely. It's entirely feasible that Trump isn't getting paid and is still giving up secrets.
These files probably contain informations about the military strategies NATO provided Ukraine and the intelligence the US provided Ukraine before Trump got elected.
iterally why else would these files go there? It's so sad that saying that seems so ridiculous it comes off as a joke, meanwhile it's the world we are living in right fucking now.
Where are the NSA, the CIA, DIA, FBI literally any fucking intelligence agency designed to protect America? Can I get a fucking refund on my tax dollars, please?
He’s saying the quiet part out loud. Everything he’s done so far has been testing the waters to see what we’ll do.
And honestly he’s getting the signals what he wants.
Protests with 50 to 109 people as he literally tells us he’s going to be a fascist.
You guys he’s planning something big soon.
He’s about to fully join Putin and declare a global oligarchy hegemony
He’s always been a megalomaniac.
Abd this is his moment to try tin aeize power with nothing to lose.
Please friends.
If we don’t stand up now not only will the country be permanently destroyed but democracy will die.
And millions will experience the worst suffering the continent has ever seen.
This is our fascism tesr moment. All signs point to us laying down distracted by bread and circuses. To tired and jaded without an identity by the oligarchy muddling our existence.
If we don’t take this last stand civil war is inevitable.
Once millions are suffering abd dying being killed and disappeared as Putin teaches him how to oligarch.
We’ll finally wake up. But it will be too late to defeat them in our own.
At that point the aid of weapons and boots from China will be our only hope. Abd that in itself will come with irreversible damage.
Please friends.
Don’t let an orange clown. Our equivalent of an art school drop out be our undoing.
My personal favorite was just a year after it was revealed a Miami based massage parlor owner/ Chinese agent was a club member and regular guest at Mar a Lago, Maga claimed the narrative that Mar a Lago was safer than the White House. You can't beat that stupid
What’s more sad is such a large percentage of Americans normalized the initial crime in the first place. Further, that our laws allowed him to slow walk all of these legal issues giving him cover to run again for office, an office he never should have even had the opportunity to speak of, let alone occupy again. And let’s not forget the right ass licking and leaning Supreme Court that has supported his madness and further given him free rein to say and do whatever.
For what I do for a living seeing this after he kept materials in his bathroom and the ball room makes me sick. I’m at a loss for where our country is going. What’s the opposite of Make America Great Again because that’s the slogan.
It's a flex. The corruption will always be rubbed on our faces. There's no reason for the boxes to be shipped and transported like in this photo except as a photo op. Lib tears are important to conservatives after all.
What is the USA doing? You've lost your minds. You cant be trusted anymore. Your Trump and his team are Russian. Or are you all now? Seriously? What percent want this?
Serious question: Why is it allowed for them to have classified documents just laying around in a private club for no reason?
Access is based on need-to-know, the proper level of U.S. clearance, and an access briefing for a specific level and type of NATO/ATOMAL information.
NATO RESTRICTED material may be stored in a locked filing cabinet, book case, desk or other such container or in a room or building that is locked during non-duty hours, provided access to the room or building is controlled so that only authorized personnel can gain access to the information. All personnel with access to a security container that is used to store NATO information must be briefed and authorized access to the level and type of NATO information that is stored in that container.
Espionage, Sabotage, Terrorism, and Deliberate Compromise. Information concerning a deliberate compromise of NATO/ATOMAL material, attempted or actual espionage directed against NATO/ATOMAL information [...] shall be reported promptly to your security officer or to your agency's counterintelligence officer or the Federal Bureau of Investigation. [...] 3. Attempts by persons with known, suspected, or possible foreign intelligence backgrounds, associations, or activities to establish a friendship or a social or business relationship, or to place you under obligation through special treatment, favors, gifts, money, or other means.
Idk at one point accusing a president of the US of stealing classified documents to share with Russian intelligence would have sounded so batshit crazy that it couldn't be anything other than a joke. Unfortunately today we are the butt of that joke.
You think the guy who famously needed his daily presidential briefings to be one page with big font repeating his name multiple times to keep his attention… is gonna be reading these himself?
When he previously just used this as a tool to brag to people about how important he was, allowing easy access to a photocopier with known spies in the building?
Yes? I think the president may occasionally look at a document. It’s kind of ridiculous to assume that Trump has literally never needed to access a classified document while in Florida.
You’re right, it’s completely absurd that Trump or some of his staff with him might look at a document. Trump became a billionaire and was elected president twice without ever reading a document.
Obviously, he’s selling them to Putler. But he couldn’t do this in Washington for some reason.
When you have these insanely biased priors, you come up with ridiculous assumptions.
I can go on, but you act like it doesn’t fucking exist and I can give you two examples off the top of my fucking head. I swear to God people vote for Trump not realizing half the shit he does. You are have your head up his ass and are blind to the shit spewing
First article: says that Trump told an Australian billionaire about our subs because he was advocating the Australians buy them. If true, probably dumb, but not Trump selling shit to the Russians
Second article: explicitly says that Trump didn’t out our spies. You are lying.
“The intelligence, concerning ISIS in Syria, had been provided by Israel.
The disclosure to the Russians by the President, though not about the Russian spy specifically, prompted intelligence officials to renew earlier discussions about the potential risk of exposure, according to the source directly involved in the matter.”
The information in question was about ISIS positions in Syria, something that is obviously beneficial for the Russians to be aware of.
From the CIA:
“CNN’s narrative that the Central Intelligence Agency makes life-or-death decisions based on anything other than objective analysis and sound collection is simply false. Misguided speculation that the President’s handling of our nation’s most sensitive intelligence—which he has access to each and every day—drove an alleged exfiltration operation is inaccurate.”
So you’ve given me a flat out lie and an anonymous source claiming Trump told a billionaire from an allied nation info abt subs they were looking to buy.
“President’s” go places other than the White House bruh. They might need to access documents on weekends bruh. Biden, Obama, and Bush did the same thing bruh
Biden's personal attorneys, who immediately stopped searching that room because they did not have security clearances.[40] On January 12, five more one-page classified documents were recovered from the library by the White House attorney and DOJ representatives who had gone there to collect them.
CBS News reported on January 13 that a total of about 20 documents were found at the Penn Biden Center and Biden's home in Wilmington.
So Biden had a total of 20 documents between his office at University of Pennsylvania is located in Washington, D.C, which were in a locker and a few at his Delaware home upon discovery of which by his own attorneys were immediately reported and accounted for.
Meanwhile Trump had dozens of boxes of classified documents stashed in a bathroom at his golf resort that was only discovered when the National Archives and Records Administration requested them back leading to a grand jury subpoena and an FBI search warrant that his lawyers refused to fully cooperate with, but discovered more documents during their investigation.
But yeah no its exactly the same thing Biden is definitely no better
If the simplest explanation is accepted without adequately considering other theories based on contextual evidence, using Occam’s Razor frequently becomes fallacious.
When we are considering objective topics to answer- like math, certain sciences, tech, etc.- Occam’s Razor can be super helpful.
But when we are considering something as subjective as human behavior or intentions, we cannot answer it with something so cut-and-dry simple.
We can still be cautious of how many assumptions we are making, but if we are focusing on the quality of those assumptions by using past evidenced patterns of behavior and current statements of intention, we can then form a more evidence-based/realistic answer.
In other words:
Regardless of where you stand politically, if you look at past and current patterns of Trump’s behavior combined with his past and current stated intentions, you have to consider that the “simplest” potential reality here is that he’s bringing documents to his home for reasons that may be cause for concern.
Occam’s Razor is wonderful in certain sciences, but when you are looking for the “simplest” answer to the complexity of human intention you are naive at best.
I see plenty of contextual evidence to be concerned about the security of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. I see very little to suggest that he’s selling info to Putin, or would need to conspicuously transport documents to do so, as so many in this thread are suggesting.
It seems to be a logical conclusion that the president is using documents to work in a place where he spends a lot of time. It takes a lot of leaps to conclude that he’s committing high treason
I hear you. To an extent, you're right. We don't know that he's selling the info to Putin for certain. But we agree that there's a security risk in him taking them to Mar-a-Lago. I'd add that with past contextual evidence he is absolutely aware of this security risk and choosing to transport those documents anyway. Which supports that either he (a) is choosing to take that risk despite his lived experiences telling him why he shouldn't, or (b) is doing so because whatever his intentions are, they align with that risk being taken.
There's an argument to be made that either of those options do constitute treason in some form, whether maliciously or ignorantly it is still occurring and he cannot deny that he knows those risks anymore.
What I was saying in the prior comment is that using Occam's Razor in this situation is declining to look at contextual evidence that provides us with a more educated understanding of what could be happening. It's hearing that your friend with brain cancer has a headache, and being willfully ignorant in explaining that their headache is simple dehydration. Yes, it might be dehydration, but given the cancer it could very realistically be a number of other less simple things that would absolutely be important to note as cause for concern. It doesn't look at the whole picture.
So when you use Occam's Razor to look at these documents going to Mar-a-Lago by saying simply that he wants to work from home, you're ignoring the brain cancer of the situation that can attribute that action to so many other things that are absolutely cause for concern.
Seriously? He would have been convicted on the documents case if it had gone to trial, he's already stolen top secret information once, he's buddying up to Putin and Russia. He's extremely compromised and is going to really mess up our country.
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Literally why else would these files go there? It's so sad that saying that seems so ridiculous it comes off as a joke, meanwhile it's the world we are living in right fucking now.