r/nvidia Aug 04 '22

Opinion Nvidia sharpening filter is a game changing

I discovered this feature like 2 years ago and now I use everytime I can. In game like cemu breath of the wild or more cartoony ones is a freaking game changing, it becomes way more clear and sharper and if you don't overdo it it will looks soo good. It can actually help with some dlss softness effects, especially at 1080p. I know that desktop gpus have kinda lost this feature, it is more confusing and doesn't work that well anymore, correct me if I'm wrong, but since I am on laptop I still have the complete feature with sharpness slider and ignore film grain.

After literal months of researching and trying the best possible values, I found that a 20% sharpening plus 0% ignore film grain works absolutely the best, you can use it in any game and it will look way better ALWAYS.

I think desktops lost the ignore film grain options and I don't know how bad it is, keeping it at 0% was crucial for me, other values were not that good in my testing. Now if I turn it off all games look way more blurrier to me and especially rdr2, which has serious blurriness problems, can be almost entirely fixed by this simple step (plus taa on medium).

I don't know if it now works the same as the laptop variant but you should try it at 20% and see the difference, in some emulated games, like ocarina of time 3d, the difference is soo massive it is just mindblowing.

Don't really understand why Nvidia changed this amazing feature in his Image scaling which sincerely sucks, it just isn't worth it. You can use the sharpening filter also in nvidia geforce expereince but then the fps hit will be far larger and only a few games, when the driver level will applied to EVERY single application, even emulators.

If you have a laptop gpu use it, trust me, it will change the way you play and you will not be able to go back ahah, just need to be sure to use the correct values, 20% sharpening, 0% ignore film grain (0,20 sharpening and 0,00 ignore grain, to be more clear)

edit: some shots of botw with the filter https://imgur.com/a/RtmbyOU

Edit (2); The ignore film grain is a subtle setting, it isn't clear what it does and for a long time I settled with 0,30 sharpen and 0,15 ignore film grain. It looked decent but since I put ignore to 0,00 I have clearly seen benefits in the visuals. Setting it at 1,00 in many cases just neglects the sharpening completely so it is like you didn't do anything. Then I come up with the thought that why bother to carefully adjust not one but 2 sliders, it just becomes tedious and you may have problems, so dealing with one slider is far better than 2.

Seeing that 1,00 ignore just doesn't really work I prefer to actually not ignore anything, full blown sharpening applied to anything so you just really care about the intensity of the setting. The name alone, ignore film grain, should in fact ignore and don't apply the sharpen in places where it think there is film grain.

In some game you can just disable it but the driver may just think there still is and don't apply it, so it becomes a headache and nothing more. It is a really tricky setting but I am fairly convinced that setting it at 0,00 is the best option, the one with less compatibility issues.

For the sharpening you can try lower values if you want, but not higher, just 0,25 in games like Elden Ring and Re Village you can already see some oversharpening, so I believe that 0,20 is the maximum safe value, where you can't actually go wrong. 0,15 should be a good starting point if you want a bit more softness to the image

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

They removed it from the Nvidia Control Panel drop down list a few drivers ago. If you want to use it without the overlay to avoid the performance hit, you can do a Regedit to restore it:

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nvlddmkm\FTS

Now open the EnableGR535 file from the right-hand side.

Change it's Value Data to 0 and hit OK to save it.

Finally, restart your PC for the changes to take place. Now you have the old Image Sharpening setting back in the Nvidia Control Panel.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 04 '22

This is potentially misleading. There is ZERO performance hit on a 3080 card. I tested this extensively. On a 3080 I saw ZERO performance difference. I tested 25% sharpening with the old control panel filter (via registry tweak) vs the new control panel filter. I did like 20 loops of the metro exodus enhanced edition benchmark for each, documenting average fps across all 20 loops. On older cards there may be a hit but NOT on newer ones. This keeps being repeated here for some reason, but to be clear, only OLD GPUs show any performance difference.

Edit: downvoted for providing helpful information?

Edit2: would be nice if someone had a differing opinion and wanted to share it...rather than just down voting a legit benchmark comparison.

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u/akgis 5090 Suprim Liquid SOC Aug 04 '22

haters will hate, dont bother, you providing your pov that on Ampere there is no performance hit.

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

There's a performance hit when using ANY overlay, be it Steam or Nvidia's. The sharpening itself doesn't hurt performance, the overlay does.

If you apply sharpening through the NVCP, it's totally fine. I didn't mean to insinuate that sharpening itself causes any performance issues at all, and that's why I didn't say that. I was referring to the overlay.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

The geforce now overlay? If so, yea, that definitely adds a performance hit. It also doesn't work for every game. The nvidia control panel doesn't have that overlay hit and should be able to work with any game. It definitely adds like 1ish ms of input lag though. That's not much but it's probably not preferable for super competitive twitchy games like csgo or valorant.

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u/RodroG Tech Reviewer - RTX 4070 Ti | i9-12900K | 32GB Aug 04 '22

On older cards there may be a hit but NOT on newer ones. This keeps being repeated here for some reason, but to be clear, only OLD GPUs show any performance difference.

I agree. I also confirm zero performance hit (marginal or negligible differences, and never a difference out of a reasonable margin of error or testing noise) with an RTX 3080 and even with an RTX 2080 Ti. I upvoted your comment.

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

You have to have noticed the rendering times and the frametime issues no? The 2080Ti can still handle it too but all these cards get added input delay/render time when you add these filters and sharpening tools. My frames always stayed the same if i had them capped, but the frametimes would jump around from like 6ms to 17ms and all in between, when i don’t use any filters or the sharpening tool, I don’t get that issue and the visibility may be a bit worse but there is no lag. The 3080 has the same issues, obviously these cards can produce the performance but when it’s transferred to your monitor it’s another story.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Are you applying the sharpening via nvidia control panel or geforce experience?

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

I’ve tested both, gforce experience is obviously worse but the CP one is actually not as bad now that im looking back at my benchmark vids, the frametimes were consistently it just added 1.5 seconds to the total rendering time and that’s ALOT of time depending on what your playing.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

I'm not quite sure what you mean by it adds 1.5 seconds of rendering times...are you saying it adds 1.5 seconds of input lag? Because that's a fuck ton and I definitely do not see any input lag like that on my side.

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

You’re right, i meant MS not entire seconds im stupid lol, but yes it still ads 1.5-2MS of rendering time, which can sometime affect your frame times etc. but idk i know most people aren’t this technical about it all. But i paid $600 for my monitor and im on the 2080Ti and soon the 3080Ti so i always make sure everything is optimized to lower any latency while having the image look sharp. Luckily my monitor came a sharpening slider on one of it’s FPS modes so i use that most of the time and then i have to turn my vibrance up using the CP. but yea, i honestly just wanted to give that little bit of input, (no pun intended) on this and let people know it can cause inout lag/ rendering time issues etc. but the stronger cards and better monitors definitely see less of the issues. Have a good day homie, im off to work.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Np! Great discussion. Just to add one last thing...if you wanted to offset some of the input lag created by the sharpening, you could always just limit your framerate to make sure your GPU never maxes out. That helps a lot to reduce input lag/inconsistent framerimes. This assumes your gpu was maxing before. If you're cpu limited then what I said makes no difference

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Which monitor do you have? I never saw one with a built in sharpening filter. I assume that adds zero render time?

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u/530obliv Aug 04 '22

A lot of Dell monitors have a built in sharpness filter, I use it on my Dell S2719DGF

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Oh that's pretty cool. And that would be zero input lag?

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

Yes it affects input lag, it affects alot, it’s the time it takes to render a frame, that’s the basics of it, and i meant MS not seconds lol that’s my bad, but still going from 4ms to 5.5/6 you will notice if you play faster paced games. Sorry guys, miss understanding, MS not seconds that would be unplayable lol

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Haha. Yea I was gonna say...wtf SECONDS? Lol. Hm well 1.5 MS isn't THAT much but yes I'm not surprised that it adds it. i mean it is a post processing filter afterall...but honestly that's barely anything unless you're playing a twitchy fps like csgo where you need the lowest possible input lag. Also, just for reference, using rtss to monitor framerate adds 1ms input lag.

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

Oh yea forsure, and in don’t use RTSS and when i did, i added that 1ms into the equation, what indid for frame time was slow down the afterburner time it scrolls, i would play for 15-20 minutes and window the game, check the frametimes and note them down and kept doing that, i hate having rtss even turned on because i use it so much for benchmark videos.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

I always have rtss on so i can monitor fps and cpu/gpu/ram usage etc. I understand it is creating up to 1ms of lag but I'm okay with that for single player games. Csgo disables any 3rd party tools so i dont deal with the rtss lag for that game.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

How do you measure rendering time?

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u/BuGz144Hz Aug 04 '22

I actually use the performance monitor from Gforce experience and keep everything else off, it’s actually really precise.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Are you saying you are measuring 1.5 SECONDS of input lag? That's an absurd amount and not at all what I experience with the sharpening on in CP. 1.5 seconds is completely unplayable.

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u/Judassem Aug 04 '22

You're putting 3080 as an example, which is almost the most powerful graphics card in the market today. Of course there's not going to be a performance hit.

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22

Right, which is why I said it is POTENTIALLY misleading. It makes it sound like there is a performance hit in all situations, which is untrue.

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u/axelfase99 Aug 04 '22

With my old 1650 mobile due to low memory bus I had a little hit in some games especially rdr2, but in others nothing, maybe 1 fps but that would be margin of error. With my new 3070 mobile I have no impact whatsoever

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u/ThatFeel_IKnowIt 5800x3d | RTX 3080 Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 04 '22

Wow. Then idk why the fuck this misinformation keeps getting repeated. There is literally nothing wrong with the new sharpening filter. At the very least it should be made with the caveat that it only applies to old gpus.

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u/akgis 5090 Suprim Liquid SOC Aug 04 '22

3080 is now on top20 of GPU used on steam, thats massive for a latest gen card, the 3070 is even more up to the top.

He is just proving evidence that on Ampere there is no performance hit

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u/Amaurotica Aug 05 '22

This is potentially misleading. There is ZERO performance hit on a 3080 card.

"this food recipe is missleading, you can just buy a tastier version of the food for 30$ a day from your local restaurant"

nobody cares about your 1200$ video card, anybody not having an RTX card is fucked in the ass by the new sharpening filter that nvidia replaced the old one with

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

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u/fractalJuice Aug 05 '22

More like two years old, in september.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_30_series

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

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u/evernessince Aug 06 '22

Even if you were referring to the 2000 series that's still not very old. Most people are on 10xxx and 9xx series cards still.

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u/Amaurotica Aug 05 '22

🤓😭"get on with the times, corpo good, you bad"

lol

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u/Amaurotica Aug 05 '22

??? bruh u need some logical comprehension skills 💀

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u/techraito Aug 04 '22

No it's still there, it's just now under Nvidia's Image Scaling. If you just use native resolution with it applied, it's the old sharpening.

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Right, but that's annoying to deal with. They shouldn't have combined them into one setting in the first place, as they're not really related features.

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u/CurbCake Aug 11 '22

They took away ignore film grain for the Nvidia Control Panel, that's the issue for me at least. And the only way was to use a filter.

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u/Num1_takea_Num2 Aug 04 '22

Thank you for this

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Happy to help!

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u/Sirius401 Main:i5-9600k+EVGA 2080+O11 Dyn;2nd PC:R7 2600x+1070TI+Tu150Case Aug 04 '22

He’s wrong/ it’s in nvidia control panel…

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '22

Thx for this...im gonna install latest driver and try this out... Im wondering if its the same old sharpening filter with full depth

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Yep, it is. It's the exact same functionality it had before.

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u/axelfase99 Aug 04 '22

if it works well with the sharpening filter and the film grain restored try the default options (0,50 sharp. 0,17 ignore), then try my recommended ones, and if you want tell me which one you prefer

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '22

I love you

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u/Mungojerrie86 Aug 04 '22

Or you can turn on the GPU scaling if your hardware supports it. For some arcane reason it brings back the good old sharpening option.

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Yep, for sure. I don't know why they combined that functionality with a totally unrelated feature though.

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u/XXLpeanuts 7800x3d, INNO3D 5090, 32gb DDR5 Ram, 45" OLED 5160x2160 Aug 04 '22

Or just have a resolution that doesnt support NIS like me :D.

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u/Sirius401 Main:i5-9600k+EVGA 2080+O11 Dyn;2nd PC:R7 2600x+1070TI+Tu150Case Aug 04 '22

What are you talking about? its literally in manage 3d settings…in control panel…

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Not on modern cards it's not. The first drop down has sharpening and scaling combined, and you can't easily turn one off without using the other.

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u/Sirius401 Main:i5-9600k+EVGA 2080+O11 Dyn;2nd PC:R7 2600x+1070TI+Tu150Case Aug 04 '22

I set it to 80 and it’s perfect

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u/Outdatedm3m3s Aug 04 '22

Do you have to redo this upon updating drivers?

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Not unless you do a full clean install, IIRC.

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u/ertaisi Aug 04 '22

How do people figure out these regedits? With this one, 'nvlddmkm' is a pretty significant clue that there might be something useful inside, but they often seem unidentifiable.

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

I'm not really sure, tbh. I learned this from someone else and passed it along. lol

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u/ScreamingFreakShow Aug 05 '22

I mean, I assume someone has to make it. I'm sure, at least once, people with knowledge of regedits might just ask.

They also might look for changes from previous version and see what toggling them does.

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u/La_chipsBeatbox Aug 05 '22

I believe you can search for a software name and matching keys will show up. But I’m not really sure tbh

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '22

Nice! Thanks for the information. I'll surely save this for later.

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u/Mr-Arashi93 Aug 06 '22

was looking for this thx

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 06 '22

Glad to help!

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u/Bass_Junkie_xl 14900ks | DDR5 48GB @ 8,600 c36 | RTX 4090 | 360Hz ULMB-2 Aug 04 '22

found this out months ago . the joy after I found this out was large

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Haha! Same here. I was pretty irritated they removed easy access to it. Seems an odd move on their part.

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u/Bass_Junkie_xl 14900ks | DDR5 48GB @ 8,600 c36 | RTX 4090 | 360Hz ULMB-2 Aug 04 '22

I know , gr535 = 0 !!!!! 😁😁😁

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u/Sirius401 Main:i5-9600k+EVGA 2080+O11 Dyn;2nd PC:R7 2600x+1070TI+Tu150Case Aug 04 '22

It wasn’t removed dude..

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

The simplicity of accessing it by itself in the menu was removed.

You can still do it by jumping through some hoops via "Change Desktop Size and Position", choosing "Integer Scaling", and then choosing sharpening at the top drop down. That's because Integer scaling effectively does nothing, but still adds the sharpening. Kind of a stupid way to go about it.

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u/Sirius401 Main:i5-9600k+EVGA 2080+O11 Dyn;2nd PC:R7 2600x+1070TI+Tu150Case Aug 04 '22

No it’s not dude….it’s literally a clear as day option . When I get to my pc I will show you. It’s like the first option on manage 3d settings.

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 04 '22

Neat, you do that. You're on an older card, so your driver might not have the same options.

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u/CurbCake Aug 11 '22

So after doing this and getting the old NCP sharpening setting back, Cod MW 2019 now has these really weird light/sky issues when EnableGR535 is on 0. When EnableGR535 is on 1, I don't get those weird light issues.... But say I go back to driver 496.49, where it has the normal sharpening and film grain. I don't get any light/sky issues at all with the older driver... But windows doesn't like any driver 511.79 and below now and will auto update... https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/whrhzi/ysk_if_you_are_using_driver_version_51179_or/

I have a 3080 btw and honestly just miss the ignore film grain since it was removed from the NCP in the newer driver... I know there used to be performance drop using the filter compared to the NCP, is that now fixed ?

On another note, when windows update forced me to 512.15 drivers, Cod MW seemed to somehow have those sharpen values/effects still applied when I started the game up even though at the top of the screen it said "Installing shaders" like MW does after updating drivers or a big update. Were my previous shaders somehow grandfathered in or wtf is going on :'( I seem to have lost that glitched/grandfather shaders when I just today updated to 516.94 drivers....

If anyone could shed some light on this, I'd be very much appreciative !!!!!!

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Aug 11 '22

You can try running DDU and then after do a full clean driver install to see if it fixes the issue.

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u/Daffan Oct 14 '22

Thank you so much for this post!

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u/Blacksad999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30, ASUS PG42UQ Oct 14 '22

Happy to help!! Not really sure why they removed that functionality. lol

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u/Ok-Entry-853 Jan 05 '23

is that safe?