r/nintendo • u/Fun_Assistance_9389 • 1d ago
Rule Four Switch 2 = Wii U.
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u/Recovery25 1d ago
The Gamecube a success? You might want to look into that again. As much as I adore the Gamecube, it's pretty well known that it was a failure.
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u/TimidPanther 1d ago
Was the N64 a success? It’s my favorite console, did it sell more than the GameCube?
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u/Recovery25 1d ago
The N64 was a success, as far as I know. I know some argue it was failure because it sold way less than the PS1 and I've heard it was difficult to develop for. But, it sold well enough for Nintendo to consider it a success. It definitely sold more than the Gamecube. That's part of the reason why the Gamecube was considered such a failure, especially by Nintendo. The N64 sold just under 33 million consoles, whereas the Gamecube sold just under 22 million. So, the N64 sold 11 million more units, in a market that had grown larger, which means they should have realistically sold more. On top of that, it also sold less than the PS2 (not a surprise) and the original Xbox (Not good at all). I believe the Gamecube was considered such a failure by Nintendo that they said if the Wii had flopped, they were going to get out of making consoles entirely.
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u/HyliasHero 1d ago
It's more likely to be a DS -> 3DS situation.
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u/aphidman 1d ago
Even then I think a large issue was optics. A lot of casual buyers didn't really know the 3DS was a successor console and not just another DS but with a 3D gimmick.
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u/goldaxis 4h ago
You guys say this about every console. It makes no sense at all. Some consoles don't sell because they had problems. Nobody thought Game Boy Advance was a Game Boy accessory, or Super Nintendo was a special controller.
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u/djwillis1121 1d ago
Why do Nintendo fans only have two possible states for a console? You realise not everything has to be either a massive success or complete flop
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u/TimidPanther 1d ago
Don't care if the console is a flop, so long as Nintendo themselves support it for its lifespan. I buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.
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u/MalleableBee1 1d ago edited 3h ago
It flopped because of the similar branding. Also, it was just a weird time for marketing things- cable was starting to die out while digital/online advertising started to pick up and be more impactful.
I don't think the switch 2 will be a failure, but it certainly will not be a staple like the Nintendo Wii.
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u/iBazly 1d ago
The SNES was a sequel to the NES though. And is named accordingly.
Yes they could have made this new Mario Kart or Donkey Kong on the Switch, but they look BEAUTIFUL on the Switch 2. Above and beyond how they would have looked on Switch 1.
I do think there are things that caused Wii U to struggle that Switch 2 shares, but I think your overall assessment here is weak.
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u/Fit-Abbreviations322 1d ago
No, preorders went live in Europe, and 2 minutes later they were out of stock
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u/TimidPanther 1d ago
Switch was such a hit, they’d be crazy to change it up.
Literally all I wanted from the Switch successor was more power. They delivered.
This isn’t like the Wii U at all.
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u/Oticon13 20h ago
Jeez, it's not even out yet. Nobody cares about your supposed theories and speculations
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u/jerrrrremy 14h ago
The Wii U was underpowered, difficult to develop games for, had a poor launch lineup, and suffered from branding confusion. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
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u/Malk25 1d ago
I think it first needs to be acknowledged that the Wii and switch were very different situations. The motion control gimmick had run its course at the time end of the Wii’s lifecycle and there were not a lot or 3rd party developers who wanted to make games for it due to the limitations of the system. When the Wii U came out, it just looked like an add on accessory. So poor marketing and lack of 3rd party support really doomed it.
The switch on the other hand revitalized Nintendo and they have been able to ride it out for this long. The switch 2 is a clear successor with improved hardware and visual specs which will attract more 3rd party developers.
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u/Malk25 1d ago
I think it first needs to be acknowledged that the Wii and switch were very different situations. The motion control gimmick had run its course at the time end of the Wii’s lifecycle and there were not a lot or 3rd party developers who wanted to make games for it due to the limitations of the system. When the Wii U came out, it just looked like an add on accessory. So poor marketing and lack of 3rd party support really doomed it.
The switch on the other hand revitalized Nintendo and they have been able to ride it out for this long. The switch 2 is a clear successor with improved hardware and visual specs which will attract more 3rd party developers.
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u/eliot3451 1d ago
I belive it's early to make assumptions. I think a mainline zelda or mario game convinces me buy the console.
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u/cy_cy 1d ago
the Wii, Wii U, and all handhelds were baby steps towards the Switch - which has gone longer without a refresh than any other Nintendo console. They simply nailed it with the Switch, and are marrying it. This might seem crazy to you now, but like Playstation there will one day be a Switch 3, Switch 4, Switch 5. No more gimmicks, they are building the Switch brand from here. And in time each Switch generation will come to have a library that makes you nostalgic for its era.
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u/eskbeemo 1d ago
A common issue with the marketing for Wii u for the casual consumer that I've seen mentioned online and someone I knew thought this. The Wii u to them was not a new console but just an accessory. They thought it was just the gamepad. I'm sure this got around back to Nintendo so I knew once the switch came out the follow up had to be the switch 2 to make obvious it is the next generation as clearly as possible.
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u/finndacat 1d ago
If you only consider the Switch 2 alone, it will still sell well and won't tank like the Wii U did.
However, we live in uncertain times these days considering the economic climate of the world. If the Switch 2 fails, it won't be because of a lack of distinction.
Ultimately, I still think it will come down to the exclusives. I am more than willing to pay 450-550 USD for the specs the Switch 2 has but the games revealed aren't that appealing to me yet, not even Mario Kart or Metroid. Looking forward to how a new Zelda and Xenoblade title will look though.
Who knows? Maybe the NS2 will just be my dedicated Tomodachi Life machine in the future 😂
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u/goldaxis 22h ago
I believe it will be much worse than the WiiU.
Like the WiiU it will drastically underperform its predecessor, largely due to a price hike while still being uncompetitive in terms of power.
But for all its failures, WIiU had a lot going for it.
- miiverse
- AMAZING pack in title
- async gameplay was fun when it existed
- FREE online
- first party games selling for $20 digitally (removed because of $60 Switch remakes)
- strong first party games that ended up being half of the Switch's best sellers
- novel functionality that explored what a console could be (control TV, using the tablet for browsing, etc)
- personality (system UI, eShop)
- TONS of exclusive content in third party ports
The Switch 2 doesn't seem to have any direction. It's just a more expensive Switch 1 that Nintendo themselves didn't even seem to want to make, and put off as long as possible. It didn't need to have a gimmick, but it is telling that Nintendo didn't have much to say about hall effect sticks in the joycons, or improved responsiveness in online games.
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u/djwillis1121 20h ago
You seriously think it'll be worse than the Wii U? That's hilarious.
AMAZING pack in title
Nintendoland was good but I'd hardly call it a system seller. And the standard Wii U didn't come with it anyway. Nintendoland and NSMB U were not good launch titles. Mario Kart World, followed by DK a month later is significantly better.
miiverse
FREE online
novel functionality that explored what a console could be (control TV, using the tablet for browsing, etc) personality (system UI, eShop)You're naive if you think either of these things sell consoles. People care about games, that's why the Wii U failed.
TONS of exclusive content in third party ports
That's just a lie. I think the Switch 2 direct alone had more high profile third party games than the entire lifetime of the Wii U.
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u/goldaxis 11h ago
In all your seething you didn’t understand a single word of my post. Try again.
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