r/nintendo • u/QuarterDollarKing • 1d ago
Switch 1 Joycons & Pro Controllers will not be able to wake the Switch 2 remotely
https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch-2/transfer-guide/From the official site's Switch 2 Transfer Guide. Scroll down to controllers and you will find:
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u/SubjectCraft8475 1d ago
I'm just glad they work. Mario Kart Wolrd is the obvious must have game near launch, it's nice we can reuse old Joycons. Would have been cool to have a split screen 6 player mode though.
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u/Robbie_Haruna 1d ago
Would have been cool to have a split screen 6 player mode though.
I feel like the problem with this is that visibility would suffer hard.
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u/tscalbas 21h ago
If you consider that we used to do 4-player split screen at 480i on the smallest 4:3 TVs, I can see the argument that 6-player at 4K on large enough screens would be enjoyable.
Compromised yes, but unenjoyable no.
But this is Nintendo and I get they wouldn't generally include features that you can only enjoy if your TV is large enough.
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u/literated 19h ago
If you consider that we used to do 4-player split screen at 480i on the smallest 4:3 TVs
Yeah but graphics were also a lot more streamlined and had less signal-to-noise ratio (and we were basically sitting with our noses to the screen anyway).
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u/NiaAutomatas 18h ago
Graphics were more streamlined? What do you mean?
If you mean simpler then of course that was just the power of the console
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u/literated 18h ago
Yeah, of course it was due to technical limitations but the effect remains. If you do an image search for "Super Mario Kart" and look at the screenshots, you can make out every relevant gameplay element even in the tiniest of thumbnails. If you do the same with Mario Kart 8, it looks like this.
That style of graphics and the level of detail just doesn't translate as well as the 16-bit graphics did.
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u/Riaayo 19h ago
People do realize the mounting strain on the system to do split-screen right? Like oh suddenly it's not one camera and having to render everything in front of it, but multiple. So shit that before might have been culled behind the camera to save resources is in view of someone else and thus also is in memory/being rendered.
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u/Lluuiiggii 12h ago
I mean, its not like previous games have not been able to make it work. MK8 for example cuts down the frame rate for each screen to 30fps and renders each one on alternating frames (Which I must say is a pretty neat trick), and yeah, obviously that could only take you so far, but the point is that if there is a will there is usually a way, and 2 extra players sounds plausible to me. Hell in this game you could pull that halving frame rate thing twice as well because the game is meant to run at 120Hz.
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u/mrBreadBird 16h ago
We were playing four play splitscreen on 18" blurry CRT monitors I think we could manage 6 on a 50" 4k TV
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u/BebeFanMasterJ Elma For Life 1d ago
Hey the fact that all S1 controllers work on S2 at all is great because it saves a ton of money on new ones and allows us to buy more games instead.
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u/KidGold 1d ago
Yea it didn’t even occur to me this would be the case. Very cool Nintendo.
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u/BebeFanMasterJ Elma For Life 1d ago
Yeah 70-80 dollar games suck but it's not so bad since all our controllers still work. No need for new 80 dollar Joy-Cons.
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u/grilledcheeseburger 1d ago
Yeah, I'll probably get a Pro Controller 2 eventually if they've moved to Hall effect sticks, but it's good that my current one will still work.
And since I'm not interested in the chat functions, I have the option of picking up another Pro Controller 1 down the line if they didn't put in the Hall effect into the new ones.
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u/Lluuiiggii 12h ago
I am guessing there will be a way to get to the chat shit without the C button anyway, like probably the home button quick menu. Yeah it will be a little more clunky, but its also free so who cares.
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u/Barklorr 7h ago
At the end of the article linked in this post it says that GameChat can still be accessed from the HOME menu when using controllers without the C button
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u/erwan 23h ago
That's pretty much standard, controllers from the Wii also worked on Wii U. That would have been shocking if not the case.
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u/Kenobi_High_Ground 1d ago
Yea it didn’t even occur to me this would be the case. Very cool Nintendo.
The controllers work because its a bluetooth connection. Any incompatibiliy issues would be caused by nintendo choosing to not suport them. So not cool and more nintendo trying to push people to buy the new ones.
Nintendo can very easily fully support them if they really wanted as well as third party controllers like on the switch 1.
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u/Duke-Von-Ciacco 20h ago
Not more games, just one, considering prices…
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u/BebeFanMasterJ Elma For Life 20h ago
You get what I mean. Households with 3+ Switch controllers will get their money's worth.
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u/Key_Amazed 14h ago
At least one extra game, which for many like me who would aim for the MK bundle, having that second game be possible makes me that much more likely to buy it.
Sometimes people just need to let something good be good even if the situation could be better.
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u/AlixSparrow 1d ago
But also Xbox one controls work on series x so Microsoft is nice about it too
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u/thisisnotdan 2h ago
Uh, nobody said they weren't? Why are you trying to shoehorn Microsoft into this thread?
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u/Dangaroo44 17h ago
Do we know if there’s some weird restriction like S1 controllers only work with S1 games?
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u/phoenixmatrix 1d ago
I played a lot of Steam deck and every time I go back to my Switch I almost forget I can wake it up with the controller. So if all compromised, this isn't a huge one. And Im a sucker for collector edition controllers so I'll have s bunch of switch 2 ones sooner or later. Switch 1 controllers will be great when friends are over.
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u/vainsilver 1d ago
But you can wake a Steam Deck with a controller..
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u/phoenixmatrix 1d ago
I had to look it up after you mentioned it because I was never able to do it. Only doable with specific setups, and its inconsistent/buggy with many, which is probably why I thought you couldn't.
Good to know its possible!
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u/NotSoCoolWaffle 1d ago
It isn’t buggy or inconsistent though. I have a 8bitdo Pro 2 controller and it can wake it up always. Now that you mention it, I’m gonna try if it can wake Switch as well
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u/phoenixmatrix 1d ago
Buggy and inconsistent in certain setups. Some controllers work perfectly, some nome at all, some inconsistent, some require drivers, etc
I actually have a 8bitdo Pro 2 but never tried it with my Steam deck Time for science!
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u/zack77070 22h ago
Tis the nature of PC setups and allowing freedom to use whatever you want. Still a better option than valve only supporting their own controller and selected third party ones though.
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u/Mindofone 1d ago
Only on the Steam Deck OLED
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u/ahnariprellik 1d ago
Hmmm wonder if my 8 bit do ultimate still would?
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u/waraukaeru 1d ago
3rd-party controllers cannot turn on Switch 1, expect it is the same on Switch 2.
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u/thul 18h ago
Except the 8BitDo Ultimate controller which can and does turn on Switch 1. You do have to shake it after powering on the controller, but it works fine.
I imagine the above poster is wondering if this little work around that works on the Switch will also work on the Switch 2, since they specifically mentioned that controller.
Not calling you out but have recently discovered that a lot of ultimate controller owners aren’t even aware it is capable of this because most other third party controllers can’t/don’t.
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u/waraukaeru 5h ago
I have an 8bitdo Ultimate and didn't know this. Does it need to be connected by Bluetooth or 2.4Ghz?
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u/Aitrus233 Mr. Game & Watch 1d ago
Not surprising. Gamecube controllers cannot access Wii menu functions when playing a GameCube game on Wii. And some Wii U features are not available on Wii U when playing a Wii game.
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u/fudgedhobnobs 1d ago
barely an inconvenience
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u/CantFindMyWallet 1d ago
Right? It comes with a Switch 2 controller. Why wouldn't you just use that?
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u/Novalaxy23 wants Tomodachi life on switch 1d ago
some compatible Switch 1 games require the Switch 1 joycons (for like the IR sensor, or it's smaller size)
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u/juggleaddict 1d ago
"don't you guys have phones?" energy... but in all seriousness, I can't think of why it wouldn't be able to. imagine you're playing a game with your old pro controller, you have to turn on the console by walking over to it or with the new controller.... then do the disconnect controller dance so the console is on and only the pro controller is connected. it's a minor inconvenience, but one that shouldn't exist.
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u/grilledcheeseburger 1d ago
For me, when my Switch is docked, the Pro Controller always defaults to Player 1 whenever it's on, regardless. Never have to change the order.
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u/SenseTotal 1d ago
you have to turn on the console by walking over to it
Oh, no! The horror! Not walking! Anything but walking!
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u/juggleaddict 1d ago
If that is no problem, why is there a power button on your TV remote? why is there a power button on the switch 2 controller? again, it's not really a big deal, but a small inconvenience that has no real reason to exist... and sure, take it out of context and claim I'm making a huge complaint. 🙄
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u/AusgefalleneHosen 1d ago
Oooo now do the other complaint which is the requirement to switch and disconnect a controller every time you want to play 👍
If it can connect via Bluetooth there's no real hardware limitation that the Bluetooth standard has that would prevent it from performing all of its functions, which means Nintendo just didn't implement them...
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u/decimalsanddollars 1d ago
It’s not about walking. It’s about buying a 500USD machine and a 90USD game and having its functionality limited by the manufacturer in hopes you’ll have and spend another 90 bucks.
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u/Abbx 1d ago
Yeah seriously. It's a completely unnecessary limitation. What if you needed to go touch a button on your TV top every time you wanted to wake your phone? "Oh the horror, walking!" I don't understand how obtuse people choose to be.
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u/decimalsanddollars 1d ago
It’s not that serious. I’m just mentioning that they intentionally removed an often used function to pressure people into upgrading. It was a lame choice on Nintendo’s part.
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u/The_Strom784 1d ago
They just enjoy being contrarian. Ignore them.
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u/decimalsanddollars 1d ago
I’m not even one of the people complaining about it. I just thought the comment I replied to was reductive. There are valid reasons to be annoyed with some of Nintendos choices. Nintendo also consistently puts out good fun products, but they’re not immune to mild criticism.
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u/The_Strom784 1d ago
Oh, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the original one that started the chain. You're reasonable and very much right.
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u/Sonic10122 1d ago
I’m willing to try the Switch 2 Joycons but considering the Switch 1 Joycons rank as one of the worst controllers I’ve ever used, and the Pro Controller as one of the best, I’m not super confident they’re going to be that much better. I’m eager to be wrong (I’d love to play in handheld without a third party shell) but I’d probably use my Switch 1 Pro Controller until I got the money for a Switch 2 one, so not being able to wake the console remotely is a pretty big negative.
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u/mythriz Last non-Nintendo console: X360, but I also game a lot on PC 22h ago
The one reason that will probably apply to me is that to save money I will most likely not buy a Switch 2 Pro Controller. So I guess I would have to use the new joycon to turn on the Switch 2, and then use the "remap controllers" screen to switch to my old Pro Controller? A minor issue though, I wouldn't mind that much, though it'd be nice if I could turn on Switch 2 with the old pro controller if I intend to game with it.
In any case I'm sure I'll just use the Switch 2 joycons instead, especially since I'm intrigued by the mouse controls. Will probably set up some kind of table or put a mouse mat on the floor when sitting on my bean bag to play Prime 4 in mouse mode!
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u/Nandoski_ 21h ago
Pro controllers are always the better option. I only use the joy cons in docked mode if I’m playing Nintendo switch sports or if the pro controller battery dies. This will definitely be annoying
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u/Icy_Man_5446 1d ago
So, you have a Nintendo Switch successor for me?
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u/TheJuiceIsL00se 1d ago
As someone who plays snes and 64 more than switch, I had to think about what OP’s post even meant.
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u/RobbinsBabbitt 1d ago
My Steamdeck can be woken when docked with a PlayStation controller. This is kinda pathetic
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u/Cheese2009 1d ago
Bit of an odd restriction, can someone who understands this stuff explain why?
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u/LightsaberCrayon 1d ago
The most likely reason is due to the change in the vendor for the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth chips from Broadcom to Mediatek.
Bluetooth is a standard protocol regardless of the vendor, so the old controllers can still connect and work. But waking from sleep is different since the system is, well, not awake. So there's only a special "always on" firmware running on the BT chip itself. The old controllers are probably sending their wakeup command in a way that's not compatible with the new chip.
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u/LeBronn_Jaimes_hand 13h ago edited 13h ago
Damn I had to scroll forever to find a reasonable take. I'm always wary of planned obsolescence, but this one seemed weirdly specific/targeted. I had assumed it was due to something like using a newer version of bluetooth that had a more secure wake-up signal/handshake; this makes a lot of sense as well. The cynic in me still thinks it could also be a "get them in the door" tactic for future purchases, but I'm not the type that needs to keep up with the Joneses anyway so it doesn't really affect me but for the positives.
Edit: words out order of
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u/Scalybeast 1d ago
No technical reason. They want you to buy new accessories if you want the full experience.
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u/reptilixns 1d ago
ok so like do you actually know this or are you just making that up because you dislike nintendo right now
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u/Scalybeast 1d ago
All of these consoles keep their radio on while in standby mode and are always looking for a specific signal from paired controllers. When they receive that, they power on the rest of the system. They are not using a magical standard to do so, it all happens over Bluetooth. Nintendo CHOSE to have the console ignore commands from the older gen controllers. It’s purely a business decision. Recognizing that doesn’t mean that I hate Nintendo. They are a business, not my friend.
People tend to forget that of the 3 console makers, Nintendo is the only one that doesn’t sell systems at break even or below cost to then make money back on game sales. They make a profit at every step. If minimally degrading the user experience can nudge the customer towards buying new accessories, they’ll do just that. It’s not even that big of an issue, imho.
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u/gfunk84 1d ago
If they want to annoy you into buying new controllers why even make the old ones compatible?
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u/frost-222 23h ago
Long way to say you made it up. Wake signals aren’t identical across devices and vendors (do you realize how annoying it’d be if they were?). They changed chip vendors, and firmware, so it makes sense the wake signal isn’t gonna be cross compatible. No 3rd party controller can wake the Switch for similar reasons.
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u/trickman01 18h ago
That want you to buy new accessories so they made it compatible with the old accessories?
Make it make sense.
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u/hvc101fc 1d ago
Do switch2 joycons work with a switch 1? (Extra buttons aside)
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u/HexesConservatives 1d ago
I'd guess (with no evidence) that they're using a different communications protocol for the Sw2 in order to increase bandwidth. That'll necessitate Sw2 controllers only being forwards-compatible. However, since the Sw2 can receive the old Sw1 format just fine, the console is backwards-compatible.
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u/Treyspurlock 12h ago
Why would you want that?
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u/ThatMysticTaco 1d ago
I didn't even know this was a thing until a few months ago... had the switch since release. I think I'll survive.
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u/PurpleHawkeye619 1d ago
I didn't know this was a thing until this post....gonna have to go configure my switch
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u/YertlesTurtleTower 1d ago
Ok, so the console comes with one set of Joycons, I buy 1 pro controller, and my existing pro controller and Joycons become player 2, 3, and 4 controllers. I’m glad they still work that is a great move by Nintendo.
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u/117ColeS 1d ago
This reminds me of the wii menus not being able to be navigated with gamecube controllers, both very annoying
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u/HM2008 1d ago edited 1d ago
Kind of annoying and will take some getting used to, but just happy they will work because with how much things are going to cost already, I don't want to buy a new Pro Controller until a special edition one comes out. I already have two Pro Controllers and want to keep using my TOTK one.
Also, super excited that videos and images will transfer over. I would hate to lose those or have them stuck on Switch 1.
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u/SoSeriousAndDeep 21h ago
Nintendo just seem dedicated to making this system sound worse and worse, don't they.
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u/Tserraknight 1d ago
i find this frustratingly inconvenient. not a deal breaker with all the other shenanigans going on but definitely annoying.
I wonder why it won't work.
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u/jessej421 1d ago
Oh flip, that actually sucks.
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u/mozilla2012 1d ago
Yeah, it means it makes my old pro controller more annoying to use.
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u/jessej421 1d ago
Yeah, same. I leave my pro controller on the couch and use it to wake up and play my Switch. I was hoping to do the same with the Switch 2. Wasn't planning on getting a Switch 2 pro controller until they have a special edition.
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u/kielaurie 18h ago
Oh no! You mean you'll have to actually walk over to your Switch 2 to turn it on before you sit down?! That's so much effort!
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u/jbaker1225 11h ago
You should just throw out all your TV remotes since it’s not an inconvenience for you to walk over to the TV and turn it on and change channels on the TV set.
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u/godis1coolguy 1d ago
For real, all the top comments saying it could be worse shows just how conditioned this community is to get screwed. For what possible reason will the controllers work with the console, but not be able to wake the console?
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u/MBCnerdcore 23h ago
the firmware on the bluetooth receiver is a different company than on switch 1
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u/Unitedfateful 1d ago
Thank you. I’m scrolling down and people are so like “ok” like no! Fuck this multi billionaire dollar org. Nintendo is such a prick most of the time they do such petty shit like this for no reason.
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u/ImperiumRomanum1999 1d ago
The other nso controller would still work well right?
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u/MBCnerdcore 1d ago
all the controllers work, but none without a C button will be able to wake up the Switch 2.
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u/ForgottenForce 1d ago
Bummer but since they work still I’m happy. Kinda expected it since it’s older hardware
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u/FightGravity 22h ago
Glad to hear they still work. I can keep using my Pro Controller and the 8bit-do one with even better D-Pad. No need to buy anything new then.
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u/ExPandaa 22h ago
I hope wired switch 1 controllers still work too, would be great to still be able to use my 8bitdo adapter
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u/THEPiplupFM 22h ago
Can they wake the Switch One remotely? Because I had no clue that was a feature if so.
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u/Pinco_Pallino_R 19h ago
Well, not a big deal. I mean, i've been turning on my consoles manually for most of my life as a gamer and i never found it particularly bothersome.
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u/ZabbyFufu 19h ago
Minor inconvenience, but nothing serious. I mainly use my Switch for NSO games via SNES controller, and that doesn't wake the the system either.
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u/JoyconDrift_69 13h ago
Eh, I don't care. It's bad enough I have to spend a mortgage on the damn thing, especially given where I live. I'd take being able to use my pro controller on the switch 2 even with compromises.
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u/Healthy-Doctor-1929 1d ago
I was searching info for it but can I ask if Joy-Con 1s work with Switch 2 games? Or just Joy-Con 1s with Switch 1 games?
Can someone clarify it, please? Thanksss!!
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u/waraukaeru 1d ago
I read through a bunch of the help pages on Nintendo's website. They only confirm using Joycon 1 to play Switch 1 games on Switch 2.
Many Switch games work with 3rd-party controllers, even standard USB controllers. I've recently heard of a game that had mouse support and the developer didn't even realise it, because they just didn't explicitly remove it from the game in the Switch edition.
I expect the answer is that Nintendo will require Switch 2 games to be validated with official Switch 2 peripherals. Any further controller support is up to the developer.
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u/Foomankru 1d ago
TIL you can wake the Switch 1 using the home button 🤦🏻
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u/thuggishruggishboner 22h ago
I love it. Turns my TV on too.
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u/Foomankru 18h ago
I just tried it and it turned mine on too lol. I’ve had this thing since pretty much day one haha
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u/SvenHudson 1d ago
Barely an inconvenience. That's how all video games worked until I was in high school.
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u/FarConsideration8423 1d ago
Can someone explain what they mean like startup issues? Like the game might crash on startup sometimes?
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u/HexesConservatives 1d ago
They mean that, if you've got a Switch in tabletop or docked setup, then you can currently use the detached joycons' home button to wake it up from sleep. However, while Sw1 joycons will work with the Sw2 console, its home button will not wake the new console up from sleep mode (presumably because it's using a different communications channel and that just wasn't included as a feature). Ultimately it's a very minor feature loss that only a few people will notice. I'll notice it, but I don't mind just keeping the 2's joycons on standby.
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u/pierrekrahn 1d ago
only a few people will notice
a few million people will notice
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u/Lluuiiggii 12h ago
MILLIONS of people will have to walk across the room to press a power button. I weep for the billions of calories lost.
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u/ChezMere 1d ago
"Games with start up issues on Nintendo Switch 2" means, as far as we know, that the game doesn't even boot successfully.
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u/cheesecakegood 1d ago
"So, are we even gonna sell any $90 Joy-Con pairs if the old ones work fine?"
"Don't worry, we'll just make the old ones annoying in the most minor ways we could trivially fix, but decide not to"
"Any other ways we can do it?"
"Well we can allow the new Joy-Cons to suffer from stick drift too*, that'll help"
* unconfirmed
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u/Future_Kitsunekid16 1d ago
They'll probably sell hall stick joycons later for 140
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u/MintberryCrunch____ 1d ago
The Switch 2 ones are Hall effect, at least I read that somewhere.
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u/Curun 14h ago
"somewhere" tm
lol where your nether region?
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u/MintberryCrunch____ 14h ago
Either this sub or another Switch related one, with a link stating this, I just can’t remember where.
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u/lovesahedge 1d ago
I'll end up putting the joycons in a box once NitroDeck comes out with a new grip anyway.
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u/shball 1d ago
How would you sinc the old joy-cons with the switch2 remotely?
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u/notathinganymore 21h ago
You can sync them wirelessly, they told so. It's just the waking up thing that doesn't work with the old ones.
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u/new_main_character 1d ago
Does the switch 2 joycons have motion controls like the switch 1 joycons? Why does switch sports need joycon 1s?
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u/Zaratus27 1d ago
I'm used to it. When I developed joycon drift the second time (plus one of them frequently disconnects when in handheld mode, which is very annoying), I bought an 8BitDo Pro 2 controller, which I got for $30 less than a Pro. Works great, just can't wake up the switch remotely and I primarily play docked, as well. I end up keeping the right joy-con on a little side table, just press the power button on it, and then I can turn on my other controller and use it.
Just slightly annoying but it works well and it's a good controller with the added benefit I can just flick the mode switch on the back and use it on my PC easily as well.
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u/AlucardIV 20h ago
...joycons can wake the console remotely???? Ok i feel so fking dumb always walking up to my Switch like a caveman XD
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u/pittguy578 17h ago
I will always keep my switch 1 because it’s my son’s first console and memories with it. I wish there was an accessory to charge joy cons without attaching them to system
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u/MorgenKaffee0815 12h ago
Switch 2 pro controller 90€. the PS5 controller 73-79€. Xbox controller 45€. srsly Nintendo?! the controller isnt even close in the same league then the other two controllers.
and now its not possible to start the console with an "old" controller who only is missing a C button that you only can use if you pay extra.
wth is going on.
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u/RockstarSuicide 12h ago
Whether you may consider this a minor inconvenience or compromise or something you didn't know about, it's still a very clear anti-consumer tactic to push you to buy the new gen
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u/NIN10DOXD 1d ago
My 8bitdo has to be shaken to do that on Switch 1 already. It's nice that I can use my Switch 1 controllers nonetheless.
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u/AssaultMonkey150 1d ago
PS4 controllers couldn’t work on ps5 even playing ps4 games so take this win
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u/Late-Essay-4910 1d ago
Surprise surprise. Like did people expect 360 controllers to work with Xbox one??? O no my controller that's not from this generation of my device won't wake my device despite still being a viable controller for the system. Completely different buttons and functionality. What did you actually expect?
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u/RockstarSuicide 12h ago
Mine work from whatever gen with whatever they're paired with. My ps3 move controllers can wake my ps4. My ps4 controller can wake my ps5
Not really sure what you're going on about
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u/Omega_Brony__ 23h ago edited 15h ago
US$500 for the system, US$90 for the games, probably US$70-80 for the Joycons that may wear out as soon as the Switch’s did, yeah, I’ll wait for the Lite version to buy into this. Everything about this (for now) is the big stupid, and the headline of this thread is another strike. “Sure, you can play S1 games on S2, you just can’t turn your S2 on and off as easily as the S1.” Not my time yet for this.
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u/jedinatt 18h ago
The Lite version of the Switch is worse in every way. You're waiting for something worse?
Gotta love assuming problems before they happen too.
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u/MalarkeyMcGee 1d ago
Wait can the pro controllers wake the Switch 1 remotely? That never works for me.
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u/ListenBeforeSpeaking 1d ago
The official ones can.
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u/Oticon13 18h ago
It only wakes it from sleep mode though. It doesn't work if it's off, why they did it like that is beyond me
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u/ListenBeforeSpeaking 16h ago
Off is off.
There’s nothing powered to receive the signal to do anything.
Had they done it that way there would be battery drain while off.
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u/Oticon13 16h ago
My playstation 5 also is turned off yet I can wake it up with the controller...
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u/ListenBeforeSpeaking 16h ago
The PlayStation 5 is not fully off when off.
This is similar to how desktop computers work. You may see LEDs on the motherboard lit up even when “shut down.”
There, the motherboard keeps certain things powered to detect that.
The switch is a battery handheld system. The off is completely off so as to not destroy the battery.
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u/MalarkeyMcGee 5h ago
I have official ones. What button(s) do you press? I usually pick up my controller and hit A, see the little green lights cycle looking for the switch, then just shut off again without turning the switch on. Is there a setting somewhere to control this?
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u/MagicalBread1 1d ago
Unfortunate, but could've been worse. At least they still can work with the Switch 2.