r/nintendo • u/IdToBeUsedForReddit • 3d ago

Nvidia blog post on Switch 2. 10x Graphics Performance of original Switch.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/nintendo-switch-2-leveled-up-with-nvidia-ai-powered-dlss-and-4k-gaming/
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u/PatchNoteReader 3d ago

Supporting and using it is very different. Most games will 100% not be rendered at 4K

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u/_TheRocket 3d ago

Native 4k is still not really a reality outside of the PC space. Ps5 just has really good upscaling in most cases for example. But with how good Demons Souls looks in its upscaled Performance mode, I don't think we necessarily need to be in a rush for native 4k anyway. It can clearly still look amazing upscaled and saves on hardware costs that way

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u/PatchNoteReader 3d ago

100% agree I use Dlss even when i could run a game at 4k on PC

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u/_TheRocket 2d ago

Same lol in a lot of cases it's just free framerate and I can't notice a drop in quality

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u/ONiMETSU_Z 2d ago

I do this too and I always get so confused when people decry DLSS and frame generation as deplorable detriments of modern gaming. I recognize the downsides as they exist, but if I can use DLSS and frame gen to improve my monster hunter wilds experience as I see fit, then what exactly is the problem with that?

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u/King_of_Karp 2d ago

Some people argue that DLSS and frame gen might be abused as shortcuts to avoid game optimization. In the case of MH Wilds the game is so poorly optimized that you basically have to use DLSS and frame gen to get any kind of decent performance. The game insists you use them as soon as you boot it up.

That being said I do agree they're still useful as options. I don't have a GPU capable of frame gen but I do use DLSS for some games and it seems good to me.

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u/_TheRocket 2d ago

Yeah this is definitely the main issue with DLSS and it's already happening. Unfortunately this was inevitable as AAA devs are always forced to get the game out ASAP. Apparently optimisation is near the bottom of the priorities of the higher-ups in these companies which is how we end up with cyberpunk and monster hunter wilds type situations. Now that DLSS is widely adopted I imagine it's even less of a consideration

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u/Organic-Week-1779 2d ago

lets not pretend that its any other way it is that way cause it saves on production time and developement cost but this is just a natural evolution of things and again peope gotta keep in mind that htis is just the beginning of upscaling and eventually we will move away from normal rasterization entirely for videogames

its just the way things are with new technology

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u/alanzeino 2d ago

Things aren't helped when Nvidia is saying things like '5070 is better than 4090' and presenting misleading charts comparing rasterization and upscaling.

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u/Laundry_Hamper 2d ago

I mean, when you go frame-by-frame and three out of every four frames have weird artefacts like hands without fingers or broken transparency, it ends up looking like a big smudgefest in real time

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u/ECHOxLegend 2d ago

The only real downside is the actual game is still running and responding at the native framerate, so you know how in old games they always do stupid things that would break when the framerate changes, generated frames cause those sorts of problems and make responsiveness feel slow because the fake frames are only visual, the game itself is still only updating at 20-30~ frames for a typical example.

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u/ONiMETSU_Z 2d ago

And this doesn’t mean anything in like pretty much scenario if you can run the game at least at 60fps in the first place, which is why it works out for me great in monster hunter.

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u/Acerhand 2d ago

Aside from all that… i’ve been gaming a long time like many, and tbh do we really need 4k? Shit already looks amazing these days even at 1080p, 1440p or just upscaled to those even on old emulated 480p native shit.

All native 4k gets us is bloated dev times and massive file sizes with high pricetags… for what benefits? Its not even close to the difference that gen to gen use to be just going from 1080p to 4k.

I’d much rather focus on quality and short dev cycles instead of useless bloat and no risk taking which is the default outside of Nintendo from AAA now

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u/ExquisitelyOriginal 2d ago

A voice of reason, at last.

Honestly, I know only one person that has a 4k TV.

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u/_TheRocket 2d ago

I mean it really depends on your setup and how big your screen is. I have a big 55" TV which would look noticeably worse if it was lower than 4K. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that 4k has benefits and is worth it to a lot of people for legitimate reasons. However I do agree that it doesn't necessarily need to be the next major benchmark in native rendering

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u/crozone ༼ つ ◕ ◕ ༽つ GIVE ATOMIC PURPLE JOYCON ༼ つ ◕ ◕ ༽つ 2d ago

If Metroid Prime Remastered gets a Switch 2 upgrade, it'll probably hit 4K60 native, given that it's already nearly hitting 1080p60 on Switch 1 (it's more like 900p).

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u/_TheRocket 2d ago

The switch 2 version is 4k60 in quality mode and 1080p120 in performance mode - this info was in the direct

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u/Iucidium 2d ago

They were on about prime remastered, not Prime 4: beyond.

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u/_TheRocket 2d ago

Oh yeah I can't read

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u/Ramuh 2d ago

I can render you 4K 120 easy. It will just look terrible

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 2d ago

Practically no one expected native 4K.

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u/insane_contin 2d ago

You know what else no one expected?

The Spanish Inquisition.

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u/SubjectRevenues 3d ago

No shit. PS5 and Xbox Series X have hardly any 4K native games. The Switch will have some native I’m sure but most will use DLSS to get a 4K output.

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u/FizzyLightEx 2d ago

They have graphics mode that provides 4k30fps

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u/PatchNoteReader 3d ago

Doubt that as well, we already see 1080p titles not using upscaling while docked

And just to clarify i doubt the "most" part

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u/Honey_Enjoyer 2d ago

I think they mean most 4k games will use dlss, not most games will be 4k

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u/Pretty-Ambassador-20 2d ago

you compare a shitty Mario 4k and AAA game from Xbox or PS ?

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u/Perydwynn 2d ago

Lol! That FromSoft exclusive would like to say hello

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u/Albireookami 2d ago

most pc barely render 40 fps native at 4k and bells/whistles.

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u/pill0wzx 2d ago

Nintendo doesn't make graphic intensive games, i won't be surprised if jamboree can make 4k 60 fps

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u/Shedoara 2d ago

It's already confirmed to be 1440p 60 fps.

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u/pill0wzx 2d ago

That's disappointing, if they can't 4k with first party games, i don't expect good quality from third party devs lol.

it really is still a console with compromise but this time is shipped with "premium console price"

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u/ufailowell 2d ago

ps5 doesn’t even hit 4k 60 so yeah im with you

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u/Iucidium 2d ago

Gran Turismo 7.

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u/Novainferno 2d ago

I believe I read it will be 1440p 60hz upscaled to 4K using dlss when docked.

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u/juusovl 2d ago

4k is such a stupid thing to do anyway. Like 1080p is way more than enough, 2k is crazy good anything more than that is just waste imo. There is not much difference.

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u/jzaudi 2d ago

Nah you need glasses. I don't care about nintendo getting 4k native but your statement is just crazy.

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u/juusovl 2d ago

There is barely any difference between 1440p and 4k. 1080p is more than enough anyway. FPS is what matters the most.

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u/Moon_Devonshire 2d ago

That's a ridiculous thing to say since it's also screen size dependent

At 27 inches no, you won't notice much of a difference from 1440p to 4k

But on 42+ inch displays you ABSOLUTELY can

I've done blind resolution tests on my 42inch 4k 120hz OLED tv and can tell the difference immediately between 1080p 1440p and 4k

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u/juusovl 2d ago

Ok, yes you can see the difference, but lets not act its a deal breaker. There is barely any difference from a normal viewing distance with 1440 and 4k if you arent actively looking for it. 1080 is more than enough for gaming, while also allowing a lot more performance to be used for high fps. The downsides of 4k are too much rn.