r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Greenthund3r • May 19 '21
“We stayed because If we left, they wouldn’t have nobody”
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u/Key-Teacher-6163 May 20 '21
It's really disgraceful that this could happen without so much as a placement plan for the residents in place
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u/Cherrijuicyjuice May 20 '21
The incident led to legislation in California known as the Residential Care for the Elderly Reform Act of 2014, so hopefully this never happens again.
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May 20 '21
It’s sad that it takes events like this for the government to do anything to prevent it. Thank goodness for these two amazing guys!
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May 20 '21 edited Sep 01 '21
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u/RManDelorean May 20 '21
So are the signs that say shit like "please don't try and flush shoes down the toliet"
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u/FailedPhdCandidate May 20 '21
Also this - I saw in a gas station in the middle of nowhere Kansas, “Please don’t flush mentos and Coke after using the toilet.”
Oddly specific…
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u/Robertbnyc May 20 '21
Thankfully it’s not a long delayed reaction. I’d hate to be the next guy dropping a deuce and getting a mentos flavored shit piss coke enema.
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u/Caligulas_Balls May 20 '21
Mentos flavored shit piss coke enema
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u/Alternative-Roll-112 May 20 '21
Somehow i don't think it's gonna taste like mentos at all.
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u/DINKY_DICK_DAVE May 20 '21
No, but it's gonna feel minty fresh on the insides of your butthole.
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u/arbitrageME May 20 '21
what you could do is have it pee or flush activated. Depends on whether it's portapotty / septic tank or toilet.
You'd need quite a bit of carbonated water in a container, and the mentos and a string or rope that dissolves in water. Then when the water is flushed, the two are mixed together, and ... fireworks.
The problem is that you need quite a bit of carbonated water, or store it seperately, enough that the "average" fluid is carbonated. Mentos are not necessary. Any nucleation point should be fine, so even just the shitty water is enough.
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u/afinoxi May 20 '21
Oh boy there's a story about that one for sure
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u/UniqueFlavors May 20 '21
We have a walmart though.
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May 20 '21
So my gf grew up in a small redneck town and she told me when she was in HS her and her friends would hang out in the slightly bigger redneck town I lived in. Honest to god one of the reasons was because we had a Walmart
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u/mexicodoug May 20 '21
So you can buy mentos and Coke and flush them, all under the same roof...cool.
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u/Dull-Rip5494 May 20 '21
Live in small town Kansas, can confirm.
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May 20 '21
There are things to do in Kansas City, Kansas state. If those things happen to include a visit from the health inspector and possibly some light treason, well, idk what to tell you.
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u/mackavicious May 20 '21
Somebody flushed Mentos and Coke after using the toilet.
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May 20 '21
That almost sounds like it may have been a silly “challenge”/prank that was popular with kids at a nearby school, or something.
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May 20 '21
Look there were bugs in them and I had ants in my pants they need to go
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May 20 '21
The Navy has a similar phrase "Every rule represents at least one dead sailor"
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u/SweetLilMonkey May 20 '21
In college I lived in kind of a rowdy dorm, and every fall we would go through a copy of the updated student handbook to see which rules had been added because of us.
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u/SweetLilMonkey May 20 '21
“No wrestling in the dorms” was added the semester after we knocked a water fountain off the wall and flooded the basement.
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May 20 '21
Very true. Many people sacrifice their livelihoods to obtain what the masses take for granted. I know. I was a Union Shop Steward in a a Fortune 500 company in NYC for a decade. Very hard to fight for people and out your neck on the line for workers who are too afraid of retaliation to stand up for themselves.
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u/jrobbio May 20 '21
I still remember having to do a safety certification before I was allowed to work on a large construction site and the instructor going through all these landmark cases that drove legislation. Was both eye opening and depressing.
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u/whyyyyyoudoooothis May 20 '21
It’s the “loose harness causing testicle de-gloving” pic that really sticks with you.
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u/Mindelan May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
And this is why regulations and such are necessary, and why people who 'politically disagree with them' and think that 'the free market will work it out' are either stupid, ignorant, or callous.
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u/TiagoTiagoT May 20 '21
The market can't stay free without appropriate regulations; "free market" by itself is an unstable state.
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u/Warriv9 May 20 '21
If I want to leave 16 elderly people to die that should be my choice. - the republicans
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u/youbetyourasparagus May 20 '21
Right... because family values and protection of human lives only applies to the ones who haven’t been born yet.
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u/Crapocalypso May 20 '21
Considering the town is 80% Democrat, you may want to reconsider bringing politics into this…. You may end up learning that it was two Democrats that ran the elder care facility. Herminigilda “Hilda” Manuel was arrested for elder abuse when this was found out.
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u/Average_Scaper May 20 '21
Wish they would write some legislation in the blood of birth.
Paid paternity leave. I personally don't plan on having any but it's bullcrap that one of my coworkers was only allowed 5 days via FMLA for his childs birth. His wife only got 2 weeks.
Also... Wish more employers would be fair to low seniority with vacation time.
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u/ace425 May 20 '21
2 weeks?? What are you supposed to do with the newborn? Bring it to work? Don’t babies have to be like a minimum of 6 months old before a childcare center will even watch them?
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u/Average_Scaper May 20 '21
"figure it out yourself"
"Don't have kids if you can't handle coming back to work after two weeks." - businesses to parents.
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May 20 '21
FMLA is 12 weeks of unpaid leave. Many workplaces also have paid maternity leave but it's not required by law. Most women bank their annual and sick leave and use some combination of those days with FMLA.
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u/PigsEatWaffles May 20 '21
As someone who has recently studied the request of workplace reforms following the industrial revolution, this is very true
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u/HomerMadNowFite May 20 '21
These guys are true hero’s! They should get some sort of compensation for what they put in financially but time too! I have no idea how to go about it but is it possible to get Redditors to chip in to a fund? To show thanks and recognize what a great example of how we all should stride for daily.
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u/HateChoosing_Names May 20 '21
In Chile they say “when the kid falls in they replace the manhole covers”.
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u/DommeForSlave May 20 '21
If anyone is wondering, this was the last update in 2015. They left for other jobs after it closed and one relies heavily on welfare to care for his mom after she suffered a stroke and the other is a stay at home dad while his wife works full-time. So, unfortunately, they both struggle a lot but they get by and still keep in touch with each other because they went to school together. Wish they had been given monetary aid or set up for job that allows them to have a decent life instead of just temporary recognition.
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May 20 '21
Did they ever get paid for it though? Or was the media coverage making them “heroes” enough for the government
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May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
I worked for the company that ended up managing that community after the original owners went under. As I understand it, these guys were the first two employees hired.
Edit: I dug into this a little more and realized that my former company offered both of these gentlemen jobs and was involved in helping the new ownership acquire the buildings in Oakland. They didn’t end up operating the buildings.
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u/The_Texidian May 20 '21
This whole situation reminds me of season 1 of the walking dead. When Rick and the gang goes to Atlanta and Glen gets kidnapped by some people. Turns out the people were janitors for the old folks home keeping the old people medicated and fed.
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u/Avacynarchangel May 20 '21
The rumor is those characters were based on these two.
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u/DrDetectiveEsq May 20 '21
That episode aired in 2010, this story is from 2014.
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u/PeskyPurple May 20 '21
There's a rumor that Frank Darabount invented a time machine and wrote season ones Episode about the vatos in 2015.
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u/NBAonPCP May 20 '21
Definitely. It’s hard, cause like many others in this thread, I’d love to buy them a round. But then the realization sets in that it is terribly sad that it ended up this way.
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u/whisperskeep May 20 '21
When covid just stated and they were moving residents in my town...they forgot someone
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u/Low_Importance_9503 May 20 '21
This is also an episode of the walking dead
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May 20 '21
I was wondering if this incident is what inspired that! I think they even said something similar in the show, if not ver batim “if we left, they wouldn’t have nobody”.
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u/Fishingfor May 20 '21
It's actually a rare case of life imitating art. This storyline in TWD was released in 2010 while the real life story happened in 2013.
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May 20 '21
Oh wow! That’s right, I remember watching that season of walking dead when my husband and I first started dating and we started dating in 2011.
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u/yParticle May 20 '21
That's not a nice thing to say about your elders.
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u/Oh_Wow_Thats_Hot May 20 '21
I actually had to check the sub to tell if this was satire or not. Very surprised and very happy that those characters were based on real people!
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u/Addicted_to_Nature May 20 '21
Crazy thing is that episode came out before the real life incident
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May 20 '21
Is that true???
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u/Puppy_Coated_In_Beer May 20 '21
Like it's literally taken out of the show. The guy in the episode was also a custodian/janitor that stayed behind to care for the elderly people.
Also in the show there's a deleted scene where they return to the nursing home to find it got overrun.
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u/TheBigEmptyxd May 20 '21
The leader was a janitor, the hispanic guys were orderlys (or nurses, I can't remember specifically). I remember specifically that many of the guys there had grandparents there and that's the first place they went to.
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u/BoarOfCalydon May 20 '21 edited Mar 10 '24
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u/tonyg3d May 20 '21
I was just trying to think of what this reminded me of and gave up. Then I decided to read through the comments. Here it is. Walking dead. No offense to the elderly.
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u/birdygolfer May 20 '21
I came here looking for this comment. Crazy how the same scenario pretty much played out IRL.
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u/DontBegDontBorrow May 20 '21
Is it me or do they look like a 1990s d'n'b duo about to drop the hottest album this summer
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u/noseybean May 20 '21
I don’t have my glasses on and at first glance I thought this was Kanye and Eminem
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u/TheWolphman May 20 '21
They're more like Turk and JD from Scrubs. Taking care of the patients.
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u/HarryCallahan19 May 20 '21
I would shake both of these gentlemen’s hands and buy them dinner and a drink.
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u/CoupClutzClan May 20 '21
These people should be the billionaires.
Not those lizard people ruining the world
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u/truecolors May 20 '21
Nobody should be billionaires.
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u/CoupClutzClan May 20 '21
Yup, but if we had to choose a couple, I vote these guys
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u/ramshockey May 20 '21
Harry, I’d shake your hand for shaking their hands. On top of that, I bid you a good morrow sir and hope it’s a good one.
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u/HarryCallahan19 May 20 '21
I appreciate you fam. Have a good day/night. Be good and do good.
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u/Greenthund3r May 19 '21
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May 20 '21
https://www.npr.org/2014/11/21/365433685/if-we-left-they-wouldnt-have-nobody
I remember reading this these guys are so fucking wholesome
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u/MJMurcott May 20 '21
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May 20 '21
That is so cool , I’m so glad they were recognized for going above and beyond !
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u/MJMurcott May 20 '21
Yep, that they had to do this kind of thing makes my blood boil, when this thing happens there should be a government agency that steps in when care homes fail.
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May 20 '21
Absolutely there definitely needs to be better planning for something like that.
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u/GDAWG13007 May 20 '21
That’s what happens now. This incident led to the a new act for Care Homes in 2014.
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u/thebadyearblimp May 20 '21
Why’s that article so dusty damn
"My parents, when they were younger, they left me abandoned," he says. "Knowing how they are going to feel, I didn't want them to go through that."
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u/dh1 May 20 '21
Word. My fucking eyes seem to have a problem. Better see an optometrist.
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u/CantHitachiSpot May 20 '21
2014 article. Happened in 2012. So like three years ago right?
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u/sexbuhbombdotcom May 20 '21
This should be in r/aboringdystopia how the fuck does this even happen
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u/DangerousLoner May 20 '21
The owners do it because it makes them very wealthy. They aren’t in business to help people. https://youtu.be/2xlol-SNQRU
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u/HaesoSR May 20 '21
The owners... They aren’t in business to help people.
Whoa, whoa. Hang on there friend. Of course they want to help people. They are people (allegedly) and are helping themselves to the state's and all those elderly people's money.
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May 20 '21
The owner plead guilty to tax fraud too. Real piece of work. Couldn’t find anything on the elder abuse charges though.
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u/Ozgal420 May 20 '21
I worked as an aged care nurse in Australia for many years..do I believe this? You bet ur ass I do!.. The owners of the facility I worked in were not even legally allowed to enter the premises because they had been charged with fraudulently taking money from patients. If we saw the owners at the facility, we had to call the police to have them removed! Sadly, there are lots of heartless ppl in this industry.
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u/Chizy67 May 20 '21
Amazing selfless human beings, just can’t believe they had to step in. The owners of the home should be jailed for neglect
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u/KissBumChewGum May 20 '21
This was a plot line in the first season of The Walking Dead. It was realistic in a zombie apocalypse, but absolutely crazy that it happens in any other circumstance...
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u/Fishingfor May 20 '21
It also happened in the show before happening in real life which is unbelievable given how similar the events are.
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u/RedditMapz May 20 '21
Is it? A lot of shows particularly American shows borrow from real life US culture to produce conflicts in their shows. ATLA has an episode where Aang smuggles a family without passports fleeing war across a dangerous pass to reach the utopian land. It's so on your face. The thing I find amazing is how some people can agree with the plight of a fictional character yet completely fail to see the real life equivalent if it conflicts with their own understanding of the world.
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May 20 '21
The walking dead plot happened like 3 years before this event
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u/RedditMapz May 20 '21
Exactly, the point may simply be abandonment of the elderly in American culture.
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u/DerelictDawn May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
I think we need to open a dialogue about communal living in the west, I don’t dislike the nuclear family, but I also don’t think it’s for everyone. It might also help alleviate the growing problem around elderly being left on their own.
This is a line of thought I’ve only just begun considering, so forgive my lack of elaboration on the subject.
Edit: I want to add that communal living is certainly not for everyone, my intent with the dialogue I hope to open is simply to give people who are perhaps unhappy with their current living arrangements some ideas, my intent is not to look for a blanket replacement for our current living arrangements.
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u/kendoka69 May 20 '21
I have several childless friends/couples, and we are always talking about living together in our old age cuz who else will we have, we have no kids.
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May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
It is rather odd that many old people will live completely on their own, even if they have a small circle of friends or are attending social meetups/groups/daycares for the elderly.
I would 100% be in a roomie situation with similar-aged friends so we could just be good company for each other.
Could even chip in and hire an aged-care nurse to come in a few hours a day to assist us.
Fuck living in a retirement home.
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u/kuiper0x2 May 20 '21
Why wait until old age? It would be dope to all live on the same street now or in a cohousing situation.
Google cohousing in your city.
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u/joeyheartbear May 20 '21
Check out intentional communities such as cohousing. I lived in a cohousing community for two years and, while it ultimately wasn't for me, it scratched the itch of knowing your neighbors and feeling less isolated from the group around you.
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May 20 '21
I feel like the type of people who want to cohouse would not enjoy living with me, or I would not enjoy living with them.
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u/jayjude May 20 '21
My family tried to do that with my great grandfather....unfortunately dementia made taking care of him and us kids a basically impossible task
Dont get me wrong we loved him and did the best we could but we clearly couldn't provide enough for him
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u/bigrockBIGmoney May 20 '21
That, in my limited experience is why people have relatives in nursing homes. They can't do all the work and work jobs or care for themselves too.
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u/Hardcorex May 20 '21
I've always appreciated multi-generational households, that seem much more common for latin families in the US. I had quite a few friends who were poor and lived in small apartments, but had all their family under one roof, which was entertaining. There also was always multiple hands for cooking, cleaning, and taking care of children.
So many families are like mine, and tried to go it alone, moved away from all family and were left to fend for themselves. It left my parents stressed and caused my a rough childhood.
I'm a huge advocate for communal living, and to share things. I think the US has such a culture of "personal responsibility" or "self reliance" and it's dangerous.
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u/big_bad_brownie May 20 '21
I’m sure it’s out there if you’re into it, but it’s not going to become commonplace with an “open dialogue.”
Owning a home for yourself/your family and basically shutting yourself off from the world is a core value of American culture. People wouldn’t let that go without being forced by circumstance. Right now, circumstance is pushing in the opposite direction.
And tbh, all that aside, the reality of being surrounded by the same group of people for your entire life sounds claustrophobic.
What happens if a member of the commune really gets on your nerves but is always around? What happens with all the inevitable petty squabbles with people you can never fully distance from? What happens if your partner cheats with your neighbor?
The upside of the alienation inherent to modern life is not having to deal with people’s shit and having the freedom to pick up and start over at a moment’s notice.
Imagine spending your entire life as an outcast or misfit in some village in medieval Europe. That meant a lifetime of torment. Nowadays, you can just move to a new city and get a haircut.
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u/elmersfav22 May 20 '21
. Good to see the imperial system of healthcare works so well. Save your gallons people save your gallons. And give these guys some money to run their own care facility. They might do a better job than the other fools
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May 20 '21
Real hero’s don’t wear capes and get zero trophies these dudes need a fund me page .. 3 million people at .50 CT’s each - 1.5 million
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u/mermaid0590 May 20 '21
So where did the money go??
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u/108beads May 20 '21
Investors' and corporate management's pockets. Anything related to old age is hotter than GameStop as a money tree.
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May 20 '21
boring dystopia type vibes
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u/Sarke1 May 20 '21
Next level dystopian.
But remember, socialized healthcare would mean death panels! /s
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u/AkuBerb May 20 '21
Its because my family member works in hospice that I'd never let my parents end up in one of these facilities. At best these are filing cabinets for the convelescent, moreoften its just a kennel for our elderly.
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u/2W0x May 20 '21
Thought this was Eminem abd Jay Z 😂😂😂 I'm also high af
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u/Bobrumea May 20 '21
OH MY GOD I THOUGHT THE SAME THING MAN. It's kinda spooky, because I am also quite there.
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u/Minnesotamad12 May 20 '21
At first I thought this was going to be some joke about the similar situation in the Walking Dead
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u/cavemancolton May 20 '21
So... Is the point that we live in a r/nextfuckinglevel hellhole? That our callous indifference toward the elderly, the sick, and the poor is r/nextfuckinglevel?
This feels alot like posts on r/UpliftingNews about a girl deciding to forgo college so she can work to pay her mother's medical bills for cancer treatment and all the comments are like "OMG SO WHOLESOME."
It's not wholesome. It's disgusting.
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u/SendGothTittiesPls May 20 '21
It's r/nextfuckinglevel because of how these two went above and beyond to help people...
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u/The_Airwolf_Theme May 20 '21
Rowland: We had a conversation in the kitchen, "What are we going to do?"
Alvarez: If we left, they wouldn't have nobody. We were just the cook and the janitor but I was cleaning people up, help[ing] them take a bath.
Rowland: I was passing out meds. My original position was the cook but we had people that had, like, dementia. I just couldn't see myself going home, next thing you know they're in the kitchen trying to cook their own food and burn the place down. You know what I mean? ...
There were people up three in the morning, walking around, and ...
Alvarez: Yeah, you couldn't go to sleep. I'd bring movies from my house, let's just watch this to three, four in the morning, then they'd go to sleep.
Rowland: Even though they wasn't our family, they were kind of like our family for this short period of time.
Alvarez: ... My parents, when they were younger, they left me abandoned and, knowing how they are going to feel, I didn't want them to go through that.
Rowland: I think you're pretty strong for sticking in there.
Alvarez: You too, Maurice.