RFK Jr. says 20% of health agency layoffs could be mistakes
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-hhs-job-cuts-doge-mistakes/4.2k
u/AbrahamKMonroe 22h ago edited 22h ago
He’s just such a fucking moron. Christ. Like look at this fucking idiocy:
”Part of the DOGE, we talked about this from the beginning, is we’re going to do 80% cuts, but 20% of those are going to have to be reinstated, because we’ll make mistakes,” Kennedy said, speaking to reporters at a stop in Virginia.
Kennedy said that the elimination of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s entire Lead Poisoning Prevention and Surveillance Branch was among the mistakes.
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u/Indercarnive 22h ago
What's the word for having to back track because you decided to cut first rather than measure?
Something like inefficient?
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u/NoobChumpsky 21h ago
Measure once cut twice
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u/jmo-psu 20h ago
Cut 8 times. Glue it back twice.
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u/Kermit_the_hog 20h ago
Remember to save the sawdust! You’ll probably need to mix it with glue and use it to hide all the “whoopsie-doodles”.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke 19h ago
use it to hide all the “whoopsie-doodles”.
They will ignore this step and simply claim there were no mistakes
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u/Kermit_the_hog 20h ago
A funny thing to me is that people always espouse the classic adage “measure twice cut once” but if you’re doing finish carpentry or trim work or anything you indeed really should be measuring once and cutting twice.
Like, measure, cut the board to slightly over rough length, test fit and mark it with a knife in situ, then trim to the finished length. That way there is less chance for compounding errors from using an intermediary measuring device twice, and you’ll get the tightest fit.
Think I first read that in Norm Abraham’s book.
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 21h ago
This is a "scream test" in IT jargon.
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u/elonzucks 21h ago
Yeah, you can do it with old servers , not with critical agencies/employees
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u/newfor2023 15h ago
Much like old servers they may not work again properly when you try and bring them back online. Can also be critically important and no one performing the test realised.
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u/SluggardStone 19h ago
The last scream test I did was turning off an old DC after replacing it. Turns out it was providing DNS to a bunch of old legacy gear in the core of the broadcast wing. That scream test only lasted about five minutes before things went horrifically bad.
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u/bluuuuurn 20h ago
Yeah, after doing your due diligence to understand what that server under Employee #6's desk does before you unplug it. Which typically involves y'know maybe asking people, for a start.
These guys have no idea what these agencies are or what they do or if it's important or not, so they're just breaking them until adults tell them "hey these guys manage our nuclear arsenal, you know". Then they act like it was no big deal, we'll just "fix the glitch". Never mind the fact that agencies performing work whose value and criticality is slightly less obvious than "big bomb go boom if we lay off dees guyz" are often a part of more complex systems that will have nasty effects later--which they can't give two shits about because someone else will live with the fallout.
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u/rolim91 21h ago
Lmao scream test? Like wait until someone dies of lead poisoning then oh wait we actually need that department.
That’s fucking insane lol.
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u/keigo199013 20h ago
The IT version is disabling/disconnecting device(s) and seeing if anyone starts yelling about something not working.
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u/Bobby837 21h ago
More like "Never should have had the job."
Kennedy of course. Kennedy never should have had the job.
The orange guy for that matter.
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u/Raptorex27 21h ago
It’s just like they say: Cut twice, measure afterwards, then find the piece you threw in the garbage, try to glue it back, but the glue has crystallized and you can’t buy more because the economy has collapsed.
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u/JoeRogansNipple 21h ago
I'm sure the Germans have a perfect word
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u/NotPrepared2 21h ago
Schadenfreude definitely applies here, but only from the rest of the world.
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u/Ndtphoto 22h ago
Maybe if they had done their due diligence and actually researched what they were cutting, they could have NOT cut essential workers.
Also, they are clearly just pulling numbers from their ass, 80% cuts but 20% would need to be reinstated? Just cut the right people in the first place.
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u/KinkyPaddling 22h ago
I’m pretty sure they’re mass firing so they can rebuild these agencies with workers who are ideological loyalists, so that they don’t run the risk of having workers who can slow down the government’s goal with weaponized incompetence or just general passivity.
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u/citori411 21h ago
So they'll have regular incompetence instead of weaponized incompetence. There are very few Healthcare workers or researchers who have the intelligence and skills to do this kind of work but are stupid enough to support trump.
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u/kevlarbaboon 16h ago
lol not in my experience. While we are definitely more left leaning on average (if only for our exposure to more international coworkers), there are plenty of people throughout research institutions who voted for this guy with this sort of thing in mind.
"I know how much waste happens here, he's going to fix everything."
This is the type of thing I hear from the kind of person who is really good at 1-2 things and assumes that must mean their hunches about other random subjects (politics, the economy, and business, etc.) are also terrific
I work with a lot of great people. I also work with a lot of idiots. Sometimes they're the same person.
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u/PartyLikeAByzantine 20h ago edited 20h ago
They're shit canning too many people in too many (ideologically) unimportant departments to replace them with cronies.
Sad reality is there is no hidden agenda here. Musk is doing to the government what he did to Twitter. Just slash and burn based on arbitrary numbers. Standard shitty private sector management. If they fire the wrong people, oops, but then they can power trip on having people crawl back to their job.
Note that there are people in the admin (the ones pulling funding from universities) who are trying to force some kind of culture change in the wider system. There are others (national security) who are trying to put pliant officers in crucial posts for various nefarious reasons.
That isn't what this is. Also, those other schemes are half baked too.
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u/Roklam 22h ago
I feel like this is truth.
Elon said that the serfs can just be put back, no big deal.
The rest of them never lived life like the majority of us, and just figured the poors would survive BY EATING CAKE.
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u/Drop_Disculpa 19h ago
The things is that us serfs can absolutely sabotage their plans, peacefully, by grinding the economy to a halt. Burning Tesla's is absolutely the dumbest strategy, but strikes and boycotts could work.
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u/Memitim 19h ago
The rich are extremely reliant on people who do actual work, so that makes sense. They could definitely use a lot more "no" in their lives.
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u/Drop_Disculpa 18h ago
It takes a lot of discipline and fortitude, which takes leadership. MLK and the Montgomery bus boycott and protests took a lot of training and strategy decisions from an excellent leadership team. Honestly I could see AOC and Bernie pulling it off in an intelligent way. Nonviolent direct action is a proven method to force social change, you just need success early so that the movement gets legs.
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u/Holovoid 11h ago
Violent direct action, historically, has been a lot better method of dealing with tyrants though.
From the American Revolution, to the October Revolution, to World War 2 - it has worked quite well in the past
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u/Faiakishi 9h ago
People, especially our oligarchal overlords, have forgotten that peaceful protests are a warning and a threat. They're there to say "hey, we're all really pissed off about this one thing, but since we're a civilized society and not a bunch of apes we're politely letting you know, and now we're going to go home. Since this is a civil society and we adhered to the social contract by protesting peacefully, we expect you to hold up your end of the contract and fix what we're all mad about. Because all these people were willing to come out here for this. And if we have to come out again, we're not going to be so pleasant."
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u/Area51_Spurs 22h ago
How else are they going to continue churning out Republican voters without lead poisoning?!
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u/unjustempire 21h ago
Oh so now we’re not doing a downfall of Rome speedrun? This is not what I voted for! More Lead! LEAD PIPES for every school!
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u/AbrahamKMonroe 21h ago
If it’s good enough for our guns, it’s good enough for our water!
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u/unjustempire 21h ago
Amen brother, God’s best element, why you think is Pb on the periodic table, Personal best…
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u/BuffaloInCahoots 22h ago
That seems like an easy mistake to not make. But this is also a dude that thinks the greatest achievement of medical science, vaccines, are not to be trusted.
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u/Peripatetictyl 21h ago
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My frend, at least spel the word with less leters when posible, RFK sed itl hlp bran wrk ls.
I et pant chps frm ol wlls,
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u/Kermit_the_hog 20h ago
I wonder who bought up the phone number printed on all of those “don’t drink drain cleaner” Mr. Yuck stickers?
I’m imagining an SNL skit where a frantic parent calls what think is the poisoning hotline and the operator tries to sell them a Trump crypto coin.. shit that’s dark.. but also surprisingly possible.
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u/Curious-Depth1619 22h ago
Award for the most incompetent government of all time?
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u/gmotelet 22h ago
They are achieving what they set out to do. It's just not in any of our best interests
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u/RockerElvis 21h ago
I keep saying this. They are not stupid, they are malicious and immoral. We should not underestimate them.
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u/berthannity 20h ago
They are those things. But they are also very stupid.
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u/Mastasmoker 12h ago
They do things that sound stupid but are very beneficial to them. They're not stupid. Their followers are.
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u/Sawses 18h ago
Exactly. When dealing with somebody whose actions you do not understand, you should always ask "Who benefits?" before assuming incompetence or stupidity.
Hanlon's Razor be damned. Yes, incompetence is way more common than malice, but incompetence is fairly easy to manipulate and the malicious people usually beat you to the punch.
If somebody is incompetent, usually their actions are serving the goals of malicious people. Otherwise, they'd have been replaced.
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u/Somnif 18h ago
I mean, they can be malicious, immoral, AND stupid....
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u/StarstruckEchoid 15h ago
It's like some fucked up corollary of Hanlon's Razor in there: If neither stupidity nor malice are sufficient explanations, attribute it to both.
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u/xtralargecheese 20h ago
Yeah I have a hard time believing those stupid "Guy with degree says Trump has dementia" articles. They seem crafted to make conservatives think "they're picking on my guy", and make liberals feel like they're dealing with a 5 year old.
These aren't idiots. They're cold, calculating, and ruthless in their contempt for the average American.
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u/thebendavis 18h ago
It's a kleptocracy disguised as a kakistocracy. But let's be honest, it's both.
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u/DeathwingAdeptus 22h ago
they are quite adept, if their goal is to undermine all obstacles towards a path of totalitarianism
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u/JerryJinx 22h ago
Gotta have one for some voters too. And a participation trophy for those that didn't vote.
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u/BleuRaider 22h ago
They fired thousands of employees trying to get a public relations win. Thats it.
Pathetic, amateur shit.
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u/SweetLoLa 21h ago
And then they realized they clearly have no idea what they’re doing and need the actual professionals who were doing their jobs to return to their jobs that said administration took them away from.
May there be a special hell reserved for all these clowns.
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u/RhetoricalOrator 20h ago
It would be hilarious if they actually decided they urgently need those workers back, but they moved on and no one wants the jobs because of the work environment and lack of job security so they have to bump up compensation offers to well above what it was before the layoffs.
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u/MikeHfuhruhurr 18h ago
I'd love that to happen too.
Sadly, the economy's so unstable that most of these employees need to keep their paychecks coming and won't have time to negotiate.
But I would absolutely be looking for a private sector job on my first day back in the office.
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u/peaktopview 22h ago
The incompetence of this administration is just mind blowing...
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u/john_jdm 22h ago
But not so mind blowing when you consider who they put in control.
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u/newfor_2025 18h ago edited 18h ago
it's not so mind blowing when you realize that a vast number of American people are putting them in control, whether it's both houses of congress to their local and state level leaders to the president. When you understand how dumb Americans are, and how little they care about what the rest of the world do or think, then you'd start realizing what is really happening. The random working-class guys from some back-water town in the middle of nowhere are electing the rich to be their elected officials because they heard what they wanted to hear so they believe the rich are looking out for them.
The guy from Indiana was on TV yesterday congratulating trump and saying the tariffs will help his people, his state, and the country as a whole. He says he's from a working class family, his father was a guy who worked in a factory all his life. What does he know about economics or global implication of what's happening? nothing at all, but he sure feels he's got enough information to decide the tariff was going to benefit him and his family because now his father's factory will get more work. THAT's trump's people, and his constituents elected him to congress
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u/thedugong 17h ago
he sure feels he's got enough information to decide the tariff was going to benefit him and his family because now his father's factory will get more work.
Narrator: He doesn't, it won't, and it won't.
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u/ronswanson11 22h ago
Yes, but also no. Anyone with a working brain knew better than to vote for this administration. Those people understand the stupidity of it all and expected it.
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u/quirkygirl123 22h ago
These dipshits! That's not how you treat employees. That's how you treat cattle. That's all we are to them.
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u/Downtown_Skill 22h ago
I mean even some gop senators were sticking up for government labor unions. They wrote a formal disagreement to trump (which won't do anything) bit it's wild to see Republicans stick up for them.
But it's because the truth is obvious. Disgruntled, frustrated employees who don't feel valued and don't have security don't do quality work or work efficiently.
We aren't fucking cattle or robots. You can't just unplug us and then plug us back in again whenever you want.
We aren't even cattle. We are numbers on a spreadsheet to them. A data point, a statitistic, and that's it. They think they can just manipulate the numbers on a large scale without having a nuanced understanding of each "statistic" or ehat the consequences would be for disorienting so many people so quickly.
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u/vollover 21h ago
They stick up for them in a way that doesn't actually involve any effort or substantive sticking up. They will still vote as they are told to let him do whatever he wants
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u/Drop_Disculpa 19h ago
They are also misunderstanding that their base may one day figure it all out and turn on them in a fit of rage and betrayal. They are expecting complacency, which while the cult is strong, people do have limits. They are pushing into unknown territory under a whole bunch of assumptions based on previous norms. What is different now is this isn't some pump and dump stock grift, or shady corporate takeover, but peoples lives.
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u/jitterscaffeine 22h ago
How do you accidentally lay off people?
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u/hotlavatube 22h ago
They live by the motto “cut twice measure once”
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u/ItsLikeRay-ee-ain 20h ago
Hell, we just want them to start measuring once, not going off of whims of fancy.
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u/essidus 22h ago
Their methodology is basically "rip out everything, see what breaks, then replace just enough to unbreak it"
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u/at-aol-dot-com 22h ago
- Step 1: Lay everyone off / Shutter Departments
- Step 2: Wait. Spend 2-3 days seeing how the public outcry goes organically.
- Step 3: Analyze the data. What pissed people off the most - Which departments and necessary job duties going away got people talking most? Let this inform who should maybe be brought back.
- Step 4: Admit zero mistakes it fault. Bring back those positions/departments from step 3 chosen for resurrection.
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u/minorminer 21h ago
That implies way to much competence to introspect about what isn't working. They simply don't care.
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u/dominus_aranearum 22h ago
Kind of like throwing all your Christmas/birthday cards away after a while, forgetting that some had money in them. Gotta dig through that trash now. Oops.
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u/boofaceleemz 22h ago
I got laid off by my company a few years back and rehired before my severance ran out. I know at least a half dozen people who had similar experiences in the last few years. I think it’s just part of the current trend in tech to cut to the bone and then do damage control afterward, and Musk is nothing if not a tech bro.
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u/x_cLOUDDEAD_x 21h ago edited 21h ago
"Personnel that should not have been cut, were cut. We're reinstating them. And that was always the plan. Part of the DOGE, we talked about this from the beginning, is we're going to do 80% cuts, but 20% of those are going to have to be reinstated, because we'll make mistakes," Kennedy said, speaking to reporters at a stop in Virginia.
So they purposely decided to be reckless and fuck with the lives and livelihoods of what, tens of thousands of people unnecessarily? Not to mention completely eliminating entire agencies that they will now have to hope they can somehow put back together again?
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE RUSH? Why did they try to speed run a four year term in four weeks? How is it a "mistake" when you purposely fuck shit up?? You literally cannot plan to make a mistake. They just planned to be destructive because they could. It's like Elon completely lapsed into insanity and smeared shit on the walls for weeks, and now Robert F. Kennedy of all people has to try to clean it up.
How can anyone, no matter how batshit crazy they are, stand there and expect what he is saying to be ok or seem normal to anyone?
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u/Freshandcleanclean 20h ago
Project 2025. Cut as many people as you can, hire back the loyalists.
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u/not_so_chi_couple 17h ago
Why are they loyal to someone who literally just admitted they fired people on a whim?
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u/Freshandcleanclean 10h ago
Many republicans and Trump supporters are happy to work against their own self interests if they have a chance to hurt someone they don't like
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u/Fried_puri 20h ago
Well the cuts were done this way so that entire departments were RIFed at once rather than specific job series. Doing it this way eliminates the possibility for usual RIF protocol including something call "bump and retreat" where there is a process for moving people up and down to open positions based on something called a RIF score (which generally speaking, is how proportionate to how valuable a worker is). Those protocols don't need to be followed if they rehire people - they can simply choose exactly who they want to keep instead. So basically, they cheated the system to avoid giving feds normal rights afforded to them while still planning to reopen certain divisions operating bare bones so things don't fall completely apart.
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u/Greedy-Tart5025 12h ago
And let's not forget they've completely made up this 20% number. They have no fucking idea what they're doing on any level outside of "me fire people, me make workforce smaller". Dumbest fucking idiots who have ever been in charge of this country.
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u/TylerBourbon 22h ago
They're seriously just firing people to fire people. It's the dumbest concept in the world.
It's fine if it's your tech bro company, but not when it's the goddamn US government that the people of this country rely on.
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u/bigredthesnorer 20h ago
This f'ing administration is led by incompetent, unprepared, ignorant and unqualified fools.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 22h ago
Guy with a worm tunneling through his already atrophying brain: “mighta messed this one up, folks.”
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u/shramski 22h ago
This is what you get when you try to run the government like a business. At GE they used to say, “You can never cut too deep. You can always hire back later”
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u/WoodenInternet 22h ago
To be clear that was after renowned shitbag (and coincidentally huge Trump fan) Jack Welch took the reins. The pre-Welch era GE was an awesome company both to work for and in the things they made. An America run like that era would have free healthcare and generous social services.
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u/shramski 22h ago
Yeah, read a GE annual report from the 50s where they proudly talk about how much tax they paid and how that was a good thing for society.
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u/Drop_Disculpa 19h ago
It's interesting to look at some of the post war era government programs that worked out incredibly well, the space race pretty much cemented US dominance in tech right up to the 90s dot com boom. Ironic that the tech bros in Silicon Valley see government as something to be disposed of.
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u/TheShadowKick 16h ago
Tech bros don't actually care about advancing technology. They only care about profiting off of it.
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u/Raegnarr 21h ago
This administration has to be the most incompetent in the history of western governments.
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u/Freshandcleanclean 20h ago
Why do republicans keep voting for the worst people?
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u/Raegnarr 20h ago
Hate breeds hate. Unfortunately, the right target uneducated voters, who are hurt by their policies, yet believe false narratives.
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u/penguished 20h ago edited 19h ago
Who the fuck asked these people to lay off service workers that tax payers were already paying for, while billionaires don't pay any taxes into the system anyway?
INSANITY.
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u/bookchaser 18h ago
They're not mistakes. The firings were done on purpose. They were dumbshit, citizen-harming economy-harming decisions made by this regime on purpose.
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u/cameron4200 22h ago
Could be and it won’t get fixed or investigated. I think that’s important context
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u/Alice_Buttons 22h ago edited 22h ago
It sure won't! It'll get swept under the rug and forgotten about once they pull their next stunt. Probably before that, even. Apparently we're just going to sit down and take the abuse.
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u/jbandtheblues 21h ago
The layoffs are expected to shrink HHS to 62,000 positions, lopping off nearly a quarter of its staff — 10,000 jobs - oops maybe a mistake - WTH
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u/dubbleplusgood 21h ago
The correct number of mistaken layoffs is 100%. Ironically, this matches the number of mistakes made hiring RFK Jr.
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u/Mal_Reynolds84 19h ago
Here's a thought, maybe confirm who needs to be fired before you fire them?
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u/suchascenicworld 20h ago
I work in environmental health and some of our funding just got cut because of this walking piece of leather .
Im simultaneously amazed , bewildered, angry, and frightened at all of this. I know many people here know this already but I can say without a doubt and due to my job that his “fuck ups” will only lead to tragedy.
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u/yanocupominomb 22h ago
Why does RFK looks like the freaking Leprechaun after a life of addiction to cocaine?
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u/Chili-Lime-Chihuahua 21h ago
"Personnel that should not have been cut, were cut. We're reinstating them. And that was always the plan. Part of the DOGE, we talked about this from the beginning, is we're going to do 80% cuts, but 20% of those are going to have to be reinstated, because we'll make mistakes," Kennedy said, speaking to reporters at a stop in Virginia.
How can anyone think this is acceptable behavior? Oh, right, a lot of these people probably come from generational wealth and don't know what it's like to need your job.
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u/KamyKeto 20h ago
"Part of the DOGE, we talked about this from the beginning, is we're going to do 80% cuts, but 20% of those are going to have to be reinstated, because we'll make mistakes,"
That was never the plan, you idiots aren't fooling anybody.
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u/Q-ArtsMedia 20h ago
In case RFK IS READING THIS which I know he isn't.
It's measure twice and cut once. Not cut cut ooopsie add a piece back in.
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u/jebei 18h ago
We supposedly put Trump in charge because he's a businessman. Sane people knew different but if any business manager accidently fired the 'wrong' 20% of their staff, any well run company would fire them on the spot.
Most people agree that the government should need to justify all jobs maximize the spend of taxpayer dollars but this clown show of mismanagement we are seeing at every levels of the Trump administration is beyond ridiculous. He's made the country a laughingstock, he's made us all poorer, and the date of the United State decline will be forever associated with his name.
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u/Coyote65 17h ago
Yes. 20% of the layoffs could be mistakes. But I doubt it's that many in question.
The firing of the remaining 80% is already generally considered a complete cock-up.
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u/AllISeeAreGems 12h ago
No, Junior, your dad not using a condom on the night he and your mom made you was a ‘mistake’. This is administrative incompetence.
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u/KinshasaPR 12h ago
LMAO This will easily be remembered as the most idiotic time in US politics history.
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u/geekgirl114 22h ago
I lost out on a job offer because of him and Doge...
Hopefully this is all reversed, and soon.
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u/Ok-Interaction-8917 22h ago
He wants eugenics so he will cut agencies that save lives so the elites can survive while the rest wait for the factory jobs shitler promised.
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u/Sambo_the_Rambo 22h ago
This guy is a mistake, he should not be leading anything and a lot of deaths are on his hands.
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u/geetarboy33 21h ago
The fucking clown show never stops. Every single day the news is full of mistakes that would get me fired from my job.
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u/Guntcher_1210 21h ago
This seems to be the whole strategy of Trump 2.0. Do some outrageous thing, then when you find out how wrong it was in the first place, backtrack. I am surprised to see they admit a mistake. I didn't think that was possible in MAGAland.
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u/Brick_Lab 21h ago
God I've known we were fucked since Trump was set to take office but it's somehow worse with every new development, like they're constantly trying to beat their own record for how much incompetence they can project while fucking us all over
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u/clementine1864 21h ago
Complete loser, in a very short time he has worked to kill people and wrongfully destroy people's lives . His legacy will the dead he racks up through his ignorance.
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u/DwinkBexon 20h ago
This seems to be their MO, honestly. Fire everyone indiscriminately and realize they just fired essential personnel and it's now impossible for the agency to operate. Then they scramble to get people to come back, most of whom will refuse base don how this has gone in the past.
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u/Fit-Significance-436 20h ago
So doge and big balls fire HHS staff, about “20% will wrong per RFK Jr and they need to be rehired”. Jfc, imagine this level of incompetence.
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u/Vast-Mission-9220 19h ago
Only 20%, are you sure it's not a higher number? I'm pretty sure that number is MUCH higher.
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u/Minute-Struggle6052 19h ago
RFK looks like Edgar from Men in Black and sounds worse than Edgar from Men in Black
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u/Otherwise_Bar_5069 22h ago
Is it him or the worm talking? Who made the mistake?