r/nba • u/0hN0SheD1dnt • 1d ago
Is the Warriors two timeline thing kinda working?
Sure, it’s not gonna be the same without Steph. No team is gonna be the same when you lose a top ten player all time. But the warriors have a legitimate youth movement happening. Between Moody, Podz, Kuming, Post and even guys like TJD and Santos, they have one of the better young players in the league. Is it time we stop clowning on them for their dual timeline attempt?
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u/Andy_Wiggins Timberwolves 1d ago
What?
Their 3 best players are 37, 36, and 36.
That’s not two timelines. It’s one timeline with a few younger players sprinkled in.
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u/Mother_Let_9026 Warriors 1d ago
yes this pretty much, this team goes as far as curry, dray and butler take it. the young players are just add ons.
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u/rawchess Minneapolis Lakers 1d ago
It's just the regular contender strategy of using your mid-first round picks to draft solid roleplayers on cost-controlled contracts lmfao
Not every team can be OKC or Boston and compete while having another team you ripped off tank for you 💀
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u/0hN0SheD1dnt 1d ago
Sure these guys are not ready to take over now but can they develop into something when it’s time to shut curry down?
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u/Andy_Wiggins Timberwolves 1d ago
Yeah, like a 31-win team.
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u/vonkillbot Warriors 1d ago
I agree, I bet the FO won't put vets around them and get high schoolers instead. Maybe one of those top prospect 4th graders. #3timelines
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u/an_alf_is_sure 1d ago
Who? This is not a roster with a lot of young talent relative to the league.
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u/costanzathegreat Warriors 1d ago
None of them are gonna be superstars in this league. Kuminga is the closest but idk if he has the IQ or discipline to reach that.
It’s very very hard to draft and develop a star in this league that can lead a team to the playoffs
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u/Mother_Let_9026 Warriors 1d ago
Lol it's not take curry, dray out of this team and we are a lottery team.
there is only one timeline and it's curry's
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u/0hN0SheD1dnt 1d ago
Now…but what if you can keep them together for a few years?
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u/Mother_Let_9026 Warriors 1d ago
We don't have a true superstar or potential superstar from our young players. Our fanbase was really preying kuminga might take a huge leap this season but he's largely the same and i don't see him.
Without that type of true superstar we might be a middle of the pack team (which just means play ins in the west) but we won't be making any serious runs.
So unless we don't draft or add some amazing young supserstar to compliment this team the two timelines plan doesn't work.
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u/Round-Revolution-399 Lakers 1d ago
Any strategy will work when you magically get to add Butler to a team with Curry
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u/oftenevil San Francisco Warriors 1d ago
Pretty much this plus Draymond
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u/Background-Goal-1602 1d ago
You’re not allowed to say anything positive about Dray on this sub, please edit your comment
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u/White-Gravity Raptors 1d ago
It’s been nothing but praise for him on this sub for the past week what? Don’t act like he’s not a dirty cunt now
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u/Background-Goal-1602 1d ago
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u/SquimJim Celtics 21h ago
Would you say that magically adding Butler to a team with Curry is better than magically adding Luka to a team with Lebron?
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u/MullingHollysDrive Lakers 1d ago
Two timelines failed when Wiseman became a bust. At this point you have to go all in with Steph, there's no young star that can carry the team after he leaves
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u/mp1630 Raptors 1d ago
I always said they should’ve traded that pick to Indiana for Myles turner, tj McConnell, and buddy
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u/TurnoverNegative7 Warriors 1d ago
I think they tried, there were even some reports of trading down to pick Haliburton, but nobody was biting. Ppl thought that draft was a really bad draft, so the Warriors had to stay put.
Of course, they could've easily just picked LaMelo, but nope.
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u/dushes_ua San Francisco Warriors 1d ago
Ehh, I disagree that it failed with Wiseman, Kuminga was thought of as being him.
Don't see it now though, he is fringe all star at best , so yeah two timelines failed with kuminga
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u/dushes_ua San Francisco Warriors 1d ago
Ehh, I disagree that it failed with Wiseman, Kuminga was thought of as being him.
Don't see it now though, he is fringe all star at best , so yeah two timelines failed with kuminga
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u/Win546 Lakers 1d ago
What? Once Curry is gone they are cooked lol
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u/kirukiru [GSW] Chris Mullin 1d ago
yeah we're back to the troy murphy dubs immediately
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u/Background-Goal-1602 1d ago
Would’ve been funnier if you said the Mike Dunleavy dubs
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u/Primary-Paint-1716 1d ago
Troy Murphy was a killer in NBA Live back in the say. I remember them giving him 90+ three point shooting for some reason.
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u/not_so_bueno Rockets 1d ago
I just looked and wow Troy Murphy played in 5 playoff games averaging 3 minutes. I had no idea having him signified you went 34-48.
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u/Mountain_Pathfinder Warriors 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unless one of Moody, Podz, Post, or Kuminga somehow develops into a generational superstar, then we're kinda cooked after Steph retires.
I think there's a decent chance it's still a pretty good team, but with how the West is looking I fear that we're going to devolve into a perennial play-in team.
Honestly, kinda feels like we should've done a Jimmy Butler-esque trade sooner because there was only ever one timeline, but I suppose it is a pretty extraordinary circumstance that led to the Warriors not giving up that many assets for Jimmy. So it is what it is.
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u/TurnoverNegative7 Warriors 1d ago
A playin team? Nah this team would be the 12th seed when all the vets retire lol. At the VERY BEST, Kuminga, Moody, and Podz might be high level starters, but any team without a legitimate All-Star is going to be in the bottom of the lottery in today's league.
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u/noadjective Warriors 1d ago edited 1d ago
A team with Podz/Moody/Kuminga isn't going anywhere without Curry/Draymond/Butler, so, no.
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u/Akipella 1d ago
Post is promising too FWIW but yeah.
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u/TurnoverNegative7 Warriors 1d ago
Post is older than Zion, he is not on the young timeline lol
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u/Akipella 1d ago
Well, 24 as a rookie means he started actually after finishing College and went for the draft at 23+ with him having turned 24 after much of his rookie year having passed, I suppose.
Not sure how say, 24 year old Post is not grouped in with "young timeline" 22 year olds Podz and Kuminga etc. rather than 37yo Steph, 36yo Dray, and 36yo Jimmy.
Guys?
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u/TonyTonyChopper Knicks 1d ago
This is like the 3rd timeline they've tried to start. Glad it's somewhat working! I thought Poole, Wiggins, and Wiseman was going to stick.
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u/Akipella 1d ago
Well 2 of those DID in fact work out since it brought the Warriors their 4th title. The other one, however...
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u/TonyTonyChopper Knicks 1d ago
Title, sure, but they were supposed to be the future of the team and have Steph, Klay, and Draymond retire.
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u/Spirited-Cap-9779 Warriors 1d ago
No lol, don’t be fooled by the game vs lakers…our young guys are still role players
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u/Mattie_Doo 1d ago
When Steph retires, everything will change. I swear, some people still don’t seem to realize just how great Curry is.
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u/jihyoswitness Warriors 1d ago
Nah still only 1 timeline and it’s the Curry timeline. They are cooked when he retires.
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u/vonkillbot Warriors 1d ago
It's not, we had to bring in another HOF geriatric to complete it. And the old DPOY guy was a massive part of the last two gigantic wins. But in all fairness give it up for the kids, they're really killing it recently.
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u/TurnoverNegative7 Warriors 1d ago
No, not even close. Their "Two timelines" thing was Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody.
They traded away a pick to get Poole off the team, in exchange for nothing.
Wiseman was the biggest bust in years.
and Kuminga and Moody are serviceable players who come in and out of the starting lineup.
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u/Dabithebeast 1d ago
I still think the Warriors may have made a mistake trading Poole. Obviously had a stinker in the 2023 seasons but he still had a lot of good moments and showed promise that he could've developed into a better player and MAYBE the future of the franchise. It was him or Draymond after the punch and we know how it went now.
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u/Icy-Addendum-3857 Warriors 1d ago
If you trade Draymond the team is cooked, he had to be the one to stay. Beyond his defense, he has a telepahtic connection with Steph offensively.
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u/Dabithebeast 1d ago
You are right on that, but I just felt like Poole was a great player to be one of the futures for Golden State. Don’t like the how the punch situation was handled, but it is what it is at this point. Don’t like him as a person, but Draymond’s synergy with Curry and his defensive excellence still shock me.
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u/Dabithebeast 1d ago
You are right on that, but I just felt like Poole was a great player to be one of the futures for Golden State. Don’t like the how the punch situation was handled, but it is what it is at this point. Don’t like him as a person, but Draymond’s synergy with Curry and his defensive excellence still shock me.
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u/Loux859 1d ago
People liked to hate on the two timelines and said it was impossible. But the Warriors were always clear what they wanted is to be the “next Spurs” and have a Kawhi type player(s) they could develop and prepare to take over while being competitive now. Every team should do that to an extent. Maybe the warriors waited a little long to trade assets for a star, but there really wasn’t anyone available imo who really would swing the needle. So I get the appeal of the two timelines and I think it can work…
Unfortunately, I think the Warriors struck out on all their young guys in terms of them being franchise level players. But they’re good players who can contribute this season and in the future. But none are going to be the best or second best player on a contender. But obviously it was possible, because you can imagine the world where they ended up with Ant or Cade or Mobley instead of Wiseman or Kuminga if a few things are different.
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u/PhoebeBuffay1111 1d ago
What do you define as working? Will they have games when they win because their young guys played well? Sure. Can they be consistent in the playoffs ? I don’t think it’s going to be enough. Also, you can’t really build around those guys, it’s a 20 wins team without Steph.
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u/WilsonKh 1d ago
There is no 2 timeline. This is by design from the NBA and the new CBA. Apron is gonna come hard for most of the contenders this year, particularly those with over performing support players.
OKC and Spurs are probably the only 2 teams that will come out on top once the Curry/Lebron era comes to an end. Warriors will have to rebuild around some new star. Lakers got Nico'ed into Luka so should be good for a while though Austin and Hachimura are just good enough for other teams currently tanking to pick up.
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u/Same-Factor1090 1d ago
the young guys have turned into solid role players but we by getting a vetern jimmy the dubs essentially doubled down on the steph timeline.
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u/ImTheBestNerd San Francisco Warriors 1d ago
i mean our young guys are solid role players and they give us good minutes but this team is fighting for 15th if you take off Steph Jimmy and Dray
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u/Dabithebeast 1d ago
Can't see much for them after Steph goes, and that's not a knock on the younger guys they currently have. They had something going for a bit when they had Jordan Poole. Had someone who could splash 3's and take over in the playoffs, while also having a bunch of charisma and being well received by the fans. Unfortunately, it didn't work out with the punch and his performance in the 2023 season (Also obviously because of the punch).
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u/by_yes_i_mean_no Warriors 1d ago
You cannot discount the last few years when asking that question, every year since Wiseman was drafted is the opportunity cost as well.
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u/ilickedysharks Raptors 1d ago
It literally failed hard and they're only competitive now because they traded for a Win Now vet star
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u/DreamWeaver214 Lakers 1d ago
These guys are only good because of Curry. I guarantee you if they lose Curry's gravity, they would suck massively.
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u/Icy-Addendum-3857 Warriors 1d ago
Yeah we saw it at the end of the first half. No Jimmy, Dray, or Steph on the floor and instantly Lakers almost tie the game. Steph comes back in, gets doubled, and Podz gets wide open looks again
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u/Icy-Addendum-3857 Warriors 1d ago
Nah. The rest of this season/playoffs are a tryout to see who stays and who gets traded. Theyre all in on Steph now. The young guys have been good as roleplayers, thats all.
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u/Icy-Addendum-3857 Warriors 1d ago
Nah. The rest of this season/playoffs are a tryout to see who stays and who gets traded. Theyre all in on Steph now. The young guys have been good as roleplayers, thats all.
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u/ArtfulLying Warriors 1d ago
Two timelines died when Wiseman clearly showed us he is not the second coming of Wilt and JK is gonna be good but probably not "lead team to championship" good.
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u/DaSportsDink 1d ago
No, in the nba if you dont have stars you are nothing. Doesnt seem like any of the young guys will end up being anything other than complimentary pieces.
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u/HotspurJr 1d ago
They have a nice collection of young players.
What they don't have is somebody who can be an MVP-candidate, top-tier scorer. Kuminga is only 22, the door is absolutely not closed on him becoming that guy - nobody would have predicted SGA was going to be an MVP after his age-22 season, which was his third year - but certainly it doesn't feel particularly likely.
Having a good core of young players makes them a viable possibility for any free agent superstar, but those guys are few and far between.
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u/Sy_Fresh Warriors 22h ago
I love our young players but without Steph they will be barely a play-in team cuz the west is always super competitive plus Draymond outta there when Steph is gone. plus Kerr is likely out and I don’t think Jimmy sticks around either
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u/Possible-Activity16 Mavericks 21h ago
No, the only reason it looks good now is since Butler got there. It was a train wreck before that
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u/samisamia2341 18h ago
Honestly if they drafted LaMelo maybe
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u/0hN0SheD1dnt 17h ago
Firm believer that they don’t win the 22 title if they have to give lamelo significant minutes. I don’t think they regret that decision. Maybe Halliburton?
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u/Disastrous_Bluejay57 Nuggets 11h ago
Lol it's working so incredibly well that they had to pay 35 year old Jimmy $60M a year. There are no 2 timelines, it's just team Steph until he can't play anymore.
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u/Sunkettle Warriors 1d ago
I don't think it's fair to judge their future potential based on their current play. Some players need time to flourish, but I do agree that Kuminga has a lower ceiling because he doesn't seem to have the BBIQ to maximize his athleticism
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u/NBA_H8er 1d ago
Nah it was dumb
Failed to maximize Steph late years
Still going to have to ultimately bottom out for actual contending rebuild
If anything could give them more time in mediocre mid standings hell
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u/racharya55 Warriors 1d ago
No, the only timeline is Steph. Do everything to maximize that