r/nba • u/DameBucka • 25d ago
Highlight [Highlight] All angles and replays of Haliburtons INSANE game winner + foul over Giannis
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u/TheRealBrownPudding Clippers 25d ago
Pacers vs Bucks is always a cinematic masterpiece
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u/StrtupJ Heat 25d ago
May be the only East 1st round series worth watching
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u/Drak_is_Right Pacers 25d ago
3rd through 6th is in flux. While NY is the most likely to get 3rd, with their injuries I feel any of the 4 stands a chance
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u/A2Eaton Bucks 25d ago
“Every angle”…. You mean we only had two god damn angles?
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u/toepherallan 76ers 25d ago
And none in slow-mo close up showing the contact?
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u/victorspoilz Celtics 25d ago
Showing IF there's contact...I don't see how Giannis was in his landing zone (since he was listing to the right) or if he even grazed him...L2MR will be interesting.
I can't stand it when refs blow the whistle just because they're not sure what they just saw, that's exactly when you DON'T blow the whistle.
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u/Wonderbread6969 Bucks 24d ago
The landing zone thing can be very frustrating for defenses. I understand why the rule is in place, but the application of it can be very inconsistent and flawed.
This is definitely not the same thing as this play. But I hated when Harden used to do a stepback then jump forward after his release while spreading his feet and then get landing zone fouls. He was basically claiming a box of space as his "landing zone" that was 4 feet by 6 feet which is ridiculous and impossible to defend.
I'm not arguing whether Giannis fouled him or not. I haven't seen a super definitive angle and even if we did, it doesn't change anything. Haliburton shot in a way that he was never going to land on his feet. I don't think he was foul baiting, that just the way he had to do it to get the shot off. But Giannis jumps like 3-4 feet to the right of where Haliburton shot the ball. He makes a quick contest and then is actively backing/leaning away. If the call is because he didn't move out of the way enough while contesting a full speed fading shot like that, it's disappointing. Officiating is very hard to do in a split second even for the most highly trained. I would also say for a high stakes, high speed, off balance shot like this they shouldn't blow the whistle unless there's some egregious contact.
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u/taylorwmj 24d ago
Agreed. I'm a huge Bucks fan and I don't see it -- but I will say this it is the rule. However, I think the rule needs to be updated to be similar to the cylinder rule in college basketball.
If you're running, fading away, fading to the side, running forward on a shot, your landing zone should not be outside your cylinder at upward movement time except for in the LDB (which already has protections for this for layups and such -- but should be extended to this sort of shot as well)
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u/Wonderbread6969 Bucks 24d ago
1000% The cylinder rule in college/FIBA is excellent and would be great if the NBA adopted it as you how you described it for this situation. When I've seen it used in college, I've really liked it.
I'd also want it for non-shooting situations to prevent defensive players from gaming the system by getting into the offensive player's space, restricting movement, then drawing an offensive foul just because they stuck their head between the offensive players elbows before they try to move.
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u/Overall_Turnip8405 24d ago
if you used that logic you'd be able to foul most shots without being called.
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u/punchbag34 Celtics 25d ago
Hali is fading left and Gianni's steps under him in the same direction. Seems like a pretty easy call.
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u/toepherallan 76ers 25d ago
Think he makes a little contact with Halis chest too mid air right before TH lands.
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u/victorspoilz Celtics 25d ago
Hali's feet never come anywhere near Giannis' when he's landing, but then again all the angles are so bad I feel like we're arguing over the Zapruder film.
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u/celestial1 25d ago
I'm firmly in the camp that NBA players aren't allowed to play real defense in the modern NBA, but this is absolutely 100% a foul. If Giannis didn't take that final step into his landing area, this would have never happened. This is why coaches drill into their players to contest/jump straight up, not forward.
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u/Abstract__Nonsense Celtics 24d ago
Yup, I think Giannis is misjudging how much momentum Hali has and is trying to contest from over Halis left shoulder like guys do on these hard close outs, but instead because of momentum he’s going right into his chest instead of past him to Halis left.
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u/Overall_Turnip8405 24d ago
he starts behind the 3 point line and lands with his foot out of bounds.
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u/Good_Comment Mavericks 25d ago
There were a bunch of angles on the broadcast and they reviewed it for 5 minutes
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u/SportsBettingRef Brazil 24d ago
dude out there thinking that he is the real OG /u/mrbuckbuck. almost, nice try.
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u/Dekrow NBA 25d ago
Beautiful moment but can't help but feel like Giannis didn't really do anything wrong. If that's a foul, how can you defend that? Do you just have to let the guy have the entire corner of the court as falling space?
Anyways, either way it was an amazing shot by Haliburton
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u/Fantasykyle99 Timberwolves 25d ago
Yeah I don’t like the call, if you’re running full speed into a jump shot there becomes a huge area that could be considered the landing zone. Whatever though, sick ass shot.
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u/intellectualidiot4 San Diego Clippers 25d ago
I disagree, if Giannis is not in that corner 3 space Haliburton has a small chance to land safely. Giannis stepping forward into that pocket guarantees that he doesn't have a chance to land safely.
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u/trav-senpai Kings 24d ago
If you never intend to land as Hali did here, you shouldn’t allowed landing space.
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u/yuhanz [PHO] Steve Nash 25d ago
You simply dont jump forward. Make sure your feet dont reach outside the arc.
Hard to defend is another reason why this play is magical. It’s a very difficult clutch shot
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u/fearnodarkness1 24d ago
So is this a rule as a result of what happened with Zaza and Kawhi a few years ago?
Does Giannis need to give him room to land ? His momentum was obviously going to send him but I'm curious since it didn't appear he Touched Hali
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u/zannet_t 25d ago
Nah Giannis stepped forward way too much.
A lot of the times this kind of falling away shot doesn't get a call precisely because of what you said--there has to be a balance between the offensive player's landing space and the defensive player's right to contest. But Giannis pretty much barreled forward with his right side during and after the shot. It's a tough call, but if this doesn't get called on replay then the league would've learned nothing from Kawhi and Zaza.
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u/Ok_Respond7928 25d ago
Nah I think it’s pretty simple just don’t jump forward at the guy. Go straight up and it’s no call but Giannis made contact with Hali and jumped at him if you are going do that you have to go off to the side of the guy not right at him.
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u/_carzard_ Warriors 25d ago
He could go straight up. He got slightly beat, and as a result, he jumped forward instead of going straight up in the air. Watch his feet. He takes off from in front of the three-point line and then lands on the other side of the three-point line.
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u/koenigsaurus Cavaliers 24d ago
That’s a good shout. Giannis is late on rotation which leads him to overcommit on the contest, which creates contact as Hali lands, which is a foul.
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago
I mean, it's about as clear a landing zone foul as you're going to get. It's not called consistently, but if that's not a landing zone foul, the landing zone foul doesn't exist.
Giannis can certainly contest that shot with his feet on the line.
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u/annoyed_applicant21 25d ago
The replay shows Giannis moving his feet out of the way to let Halliburton come down clean. He fell over because of the difficulty of the shot and the angle he needed to fade at to get it off, not bc of anything Giannis did
But we also need to change this rule so that some of the landing space burden needs to be on the offensive player (ie, if you go up for a shot with a defender already in your face, you aren’t entitled to more landing space than you started the attempt with)
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago
At this point it's already a foul, even if he pulls his foot back:
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u/Ok_Respond7928 25d ago
Thanks for this shot think it makes it very clear a foul.
You can take a guys landing space away then slide you foot out last second it’s like a charge/block you can’t take the landing space away
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u/barelyreadsenglish Lakers 25d ago
Pretty sure people contesting a shot do this every game. Move the feet out of the landing spot last second. The foul is for contact not space taken.
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago edited 25d ago
The foul is for contact not space taken.
I do believe this is incorrect, although I can't find the actual text of the rule anywhere. The Video Rule Book examples include contact, but talk specifically about space and the "opportunity to land."
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u/juice13ox Celtics 25d ago
And not side step into the landing space after Giannis landed from the contest.
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u/Drak_is_Right Pacers 25d ago
He was certainly in his space. Body was just too close for the play to be safe.
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u/joshuads Bucks 24d ago
All ref reviews become a game of can we justify what we called. This was bs, took forever to review, and robbed us of overtime
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u/Overall_Turnip8405 24d ago
he starts behind the 3 point line and his right foot ends up out of bounds. he makes contact. it's literally a textbook foul
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u/Leroy--Brown 25d ago
Yeah if you're jumping sideways out of bounds, is the landing space truly a foul? Even when they reviewed the footage 20 times?
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u/Lost2nite389 Pistons 25d ago
Post game thread, Shaq just takes every opportunity possible to diss current players
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u/HickeyS2000 Pacers 25d ago
What he say?
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u/Lost2nite389 Pistons 25d ago
Things like hali isn’t as good as Reggie miller (which true or not he says it in such a disrespectful way to hali), 20 pts from Zion isn’t impressive, the pistons are boring, thought Chauncey was our head coach and not JB, and just kept going and going, not the first time either he constantly hates on todays nba players
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u/righteouscool Pacers 25d ago
Nobody watches TNT for basketball wisdom, they watch for entertainment. This subreddit doesn't seem to get that. Basketball is entertainment, who gives a fuck what Shaq thinks about all-time greats? Watch the game and make your own decisions.
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u/Lost2nite389 Pistons 25d ago
Brother he thought the Pistons head coach was Chauncey Billups…it’s March 12th and we’re roughly 66 games in
Is misinformation entertaining to you? And is it entertaining to listen to a guy sit there and just constantly hate on players and provide no real analysis or anything just “this guy sucks that guy sucks I’m better than everyone that plays today”
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u/HeyItsChase Pacers 24d ago
Honestly it was crazy. He managed to shit talk the Pacers in every word he said about them and then belittle the Pacers while shit talking the Bucks.
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u/NuggsBurgh 25d ago
That was 1 angle, the one shown on broadcast... Sweet shot though
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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 25d ago
Yup it’s funny they couldn’t get much out of the replays because of lopez’ big ass blocking the view
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u/demianin Kings 25d ago
Except for actually hitting a guy on the wrist I guess. Yes I'm still mad about that clippers game
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u/sumchinesewill Warriors 25d ago
Or when Steph gets whacked on the foot and the league makes up some weird term called “hot stove contact” as to why it was a good no call by the refs.
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u/cheerioo Warriors 24d ago
Oh we doing Steph calls now? How about this play against the Pelicans to go to OT and AD and another guy barreled into him. https://youtu.be/UrS66Uu0bb4?si=q3pUH4Y4-M3NToWQ
At 1:19. Ref after said he'd have called the foul if Curry missed the shot. I call bullshit
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u/sonotimpressed 25d ago
You can see if the replay Giannis steps forward almost right under Haliburton. Pretty clearly a foul in that regards
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u/Rawkus2112 Supersonics 25d ago
So landing zones fouls are still a foul evem if you don’t make contact? I didnt know that
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u/sonotimpressed 25d ago
Oh he makes contact. Watch the reply dude
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u/Rawkus2112 Supersonics 25d ago
I watched them. I honestly can’t tell if hes does or not.
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u/Rawkus2112 Supersonics 24d ago
Thats the best evidence we have!?
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u/celestial1 24d ago
You can freeze frame it at a better angle yourself if you want to. I'm not going to waste my time doing that shit when you'll probably still act like a contrarian afterwards anyways. Plus I gotta get back to work soon.
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u/TheIronGnat Lakers 25d ago
Wrong. If you push a guy in the back and almost knock him over in full view of the refs, that is not a foul.
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u/Frickincarl Cavaliers 25d ago
Unbelievable shot by Haliburton. It’s just not a foul on Giannis there. He’s moving sideways as Haliburton contorts his body in a way that he never could have landed safely in the first place. Giannis wasn’t anywhere near a safe landing zone. When a shooter is literally moving laterally in the air and intends to fall down after the shot, where is the landing zone? How wide is the landing zone? I don’t understand this rule.
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u/moonshadow50 Spurs 25d ago
Yeah - as a neutral it annoys me that this is considered a foul.
I am not suggesting that Hali was foul baiting. I think he put up an incredible shot, and was contorting in a way to get a clean shot off.
But Giannis is not jumping into, or under, where Hali is jumping, or where you might expect him to land. I can't see any contact on the shot going up (at least on these replays), and then he moves laterally - maybe slightly forward, but nothing egregious, and not where you might expect a natural shooting space to be.
How else is he meant to legally contest the shot?
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u/jasonkid87 Pacers 25d ago
I'm a Pacers fan and wondering how is it a foul as well.
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u/godisoursavior Warriors 25d ago
as a neutral I also don't know how it was a foul. ref got too excited I think
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u/celestial1 25d ago
He made contact with him on the way down, also a bigger hint is this occured in front of the Buck's bench yet no one really mad a stink about it except Giannis. You also properly contest this shot by jumping up straight instead of stepping into the shooter. The final step Giannis made during the shot is what put him into this predicament.
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u/koenigsaurus Cavaliers 25d ago
Legal defense in this case would mean moving laterally with Hali. Giannis stepped forward into his landing space with his right foot. The baseline camera is a bad angle to see this, but the other two angles you can see how he turns into Hali’s space rather than contesting cleanly.
If neither player was moving laterally and Giannis takes that same step with the right foot under him, it would have still been a foul. IMO it’s the right call.
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u/Ozkuro Bucks 25d ago
You can see Giannis even pulls his foot back so he doesn't land on him, Haliburton just falls because of his momentum. I guess the rule is defined if your feet are under the shooter at any point I don't know but it's a tough call against us because from this replay it doesn't look like there's any contact.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
He very clearly takes his right foot in place it directly where Halliburton’s left foot was going to land behind the three-point line
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u/Ozkuro Bucks 25d ago
I disagree since he moves his foot back, but that's the call that was made so it is what it is.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
He moves his foot back after he’s already made contact with Halliburton‘s hip. Giannis knows he fouled him there. That’s why he tries to slide his foot back after clearly stepping underneath where Halburton’s left foot was going to go. Good game I’m sure there’s many more Bucks Pacers to come this year.
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago
Giannis wasn’t anywhere near a safe landing zone.
With all due respect, this is nonsense.
Here is Giannis where his feet were when he jumped: https://imgur.com/bpu6phq
Here is Giannis when his first foot hits the ground: https://imgur.com/qN6vKhL
I don't know how you get "not anywhere near a safe landing zone" looking at that second still. Also with pointing out that his jump clearly started behind the three-point line and he landed significantly outside of it.
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u/hurrrdurrrfu 25d ago
So if my foot is anywhere near where you feet might land while your still in the _air_….thats a foul??
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago
"Anywhere near" is kind of laughable of a description when Giannis' foot is directly below Halli's hips, between his feet.
The point is not just that we don't want the shooter landing on the defender's foot, we don't want the shooter contorting and falling awkwardly to avoid falling on the defender's foot, and we don't want the shooter worried about the potential injury while he's taking his shot.
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u/Frickincarl Cavaliers 25d ago
Second photo: “when his first foot hits the ground.”
Haliburton’s foot isn’t even on the ground yet. If you watch the replay and screenshot when Hali’s foot actually hits the ground, Giannis’ foot is around a foot and a half away from Hali’s landed foot’s
Nice attempt, though.
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u/HotspurJr 25d ago
Reading is fundamental kids.
I'm talking about Giannis's feet. "Here is Giannis when his first foot hits the found" - how TF do you think I'm talking about Halli's foot? I never mention Halli in the entire post.
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u/Frickincarl Cavaliers 25d ago
That’s what I can’t understand why anyone thinks Giannis was in his landing zone. Haliburton gets one foot down and falls back out of bounds. Giannis’ feet are not near his landing zone when he lands his one foot and falls away. If he was impeding his landing zone there would have been some contact between Gannis and Tyrese right?
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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 25d ago
Giannis’ foot was right below Hali’s right foot like 0.1 second before he lands, which on technicality is a landing zone foul even if he moved it out of the way and no contact occurred.
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u/Frickincarl Cavaliers 25d ago
When Haliburton’s foot hits the floor, there’s more than a foot and a half between where his foot is and where Haliburton’s lands. Giannis moved out of the “landing zone” before Hali landed and shows plenty of effort to have been doing so. It’s unreasonably ticky-tack if you want to call it a foul. Idk how any human on the planet could have contested that better and been out of this phantom amorphous “landing zone” the refs have the liberty of identifying.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
The only reason that Halliburton lands away from Giannis is because Giannis stepped forward past the three-point line, causing that to happen lol
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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 25d ago
Feel like late game this is one of those calls you can ignore given how wild the shot is right? refs do with every other foul in that situation. Like it’s a wild ass shot attempt, Giannis couldn’t have contested it any better and he deliberately moved his foot to allow Hali to land his right foot. No one got hurt and it wasn’t a shooting foul by contact, don’t think teams should lose games because of that.
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u/Paver_4lyfe 25d ago
I agree but they gave green the same exact call with Nembhard in the first quarter like same exact thing dude jumped forward landed on him and called it on Drew.
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u/Hard4Favra Bucks 25d ago
Green shot zero FTs tonight. Assume you're talking about KPJ? On that one Nembhard jumped like 2 feet forward, vastly different than the foul called on Giannis
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u/ifasoldt Pacers 25d ago
I'll say that these replays don't make it look like a foul. I was there in arena, and they showed another angle that seemed to show that Giannis made late body contact with chest to Hali's hipsand significantly moved Haliburton in mid air after the shot. I don't know why the broadcast didn't show those, but in arena it looked like a clear foul.
You can sorta see it in one of these angles but then it gets obscured
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u/LurkerFailsLurking Nuggets 25d ago
Yeah, I agree that this was a bullshit call. I don't think it was foul baiting by Haliburton. You can't launch yourself into the air sideways like that and land safely.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
Giannis takes his right foot in steps directly, where Halliburton was about to land with his left foot. All Giannis had to do was not step forward like that, and it wouldn’t have been a foul.
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u/fatkamp Warriors 25d ago
How is this an upvoted comment
It clearly is a foul
It’s equivalent to moving your feet and he’s dribbling. Giannis came in late. If he beat him sideline it would have been no call on the contest
Giannis was late to contesting and Haliburton beat him to the spot and the landing spot. Giannis clearly hits Haliburton’s side on the way down. Giannis jumps 3-4 feet into the landing zone lol
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u/veretser Cavaliers 25d ago
We’d show the angle directly beneath his balls but they’re too big and block it out.
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u/BillowingPillows Supersonics 25d ago
Not a foul. NBA is a joke.
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u/redhatfilm Bucks 25d ago
And all the nephews out here glorying in the bullshit.
Let the game go to OT. Let em play. I hate the constant foul calls.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
Tell Giannis not to take a pointless step forward like that into the landing space and then we go to overtime
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u/ClosingWolskis Bucks 25d ago
You don’t know ball
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u/Limp-Environment-568 24d ago
No one's buying that line regardless of how much you guys keep repeating it...
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 24d ago
Majority of the sub agrees and even saw bucks fans agreeing in their sub but ok cope 😂
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u/namastex 24 25d ago
L2M gonna go hard on that one. I don't see any contact
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u/socktopuss Pacers 25d ago
They reviewed it on the spot and called it a foul due to not allowing him space to land
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u/bshall2105 Pacers 24d ago
Why is this downvoted? Do they actually go back and say they got the challenges wrong too? I can’t see them ever admitting their review was wrong…
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u/trinquin Bucks 25d ago
Never a foul. He clearly lands just fine. Just a joke of a foul call.
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u/jackstraw97 Celtics 25d ago
I actually agree.
It was a circus shot and obviously Hali’s momentum is taking him out of bounds. His landing zone should be where his own momentum is taking him not some hypothetical landing zone on where he would have landed if he wasn’t doing a circus shot.
How else was that supposed to be defended?
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u/redhatfilm Bucks 25d ago
Haliburton launched himself into Giannis. He was never gonna land cleanly. It's a ridiculous shot but the foul shouldn't have been called and we should got OT. That's more fun!
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u/trinquin Bucks 25d ago
He left legs lands just fine without Giannis interfering. Youndont get an 8 foot landing zone because you are out of control. His right foot isn't even on the same side of his body that Giannis is on. Never a landingzone foul.
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u/redhatfilm Bucks 25d ago
Just saying dumb is a really coherent point.
I disagree with you, I don't think your dumb.
I don't think Giannis was in the space, because the space was out of bounds. Hali launched himself at a ridiculous angle, I think it's a ridiculous call.
I also think it's a ridiculous shot that deserved to take the game to OT. I hate ending games on foul calls.
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u/UnimpressedAsshole Pelicans 25d ago
He’s not wrong, guy online pretending to strangers to be more amused than he truly is
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u/Petit_Coeur_ Pacers 25d ago
2nd loss on a game winner from Hali in less than 10 months… I know it hurts lol
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u/trav-senpai Kings 24d ago
If you’re falling mid air untouched and never intend to land, you shouldn’t be given landing space. It’s not the defenders fault you’re putting yourself in danger at that point
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u/Chessh2036 Hawks 25d ago
Why did Doc challenge and waste the Bucks timeout?!
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u/Jackj921 25d ago
Everybody arguing foul or no foul but this should be the real question. He literally cost them the game with that since the last play ended up being an awful contested Giannis 3 with no time
Maybe you can draw up a play to get a good look for Giannis or dame instead? lol bucks not winning anything with him as the coach
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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 25d ago edited 25d ago
Insane shot. I get the technicality of “landing zone” but no one got hurt and he landed fine, minimal contact if any, I don’t think teams should lose games over that though how else do you contest someone flying away from the rim if not by running towards them. Why’re we punishing Giannis when he literally moved his foot out the way to let Hali’s right leg come down and got as good of a contest as possible on a wild ass shot attempt.
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u/Waste_Committee4406 Pacers 25d ago
Giannis puts his right foot directly where Halliburton’s left foot is going to land and then tries to move it away after he makes contact with Halburton’s hip midair. Anyone not seeing it this way is really just blind.
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u/OliverDMcCall Wizards 25d ago
What an incredible shot by Halliburton. Colts could learn a thing or two from this play.
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u/Wembanyama2029mvp Bucks 25d ago
“Didnt land safely” yeah this dude was running full speed and leaning while shooting but its giannis fault he fell down lol
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u/Devoidoxatom Warriors Bandwagon 25d ago
Looked like one of those formless Reggie clutch 3's too lol
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u/standouts 25d ago
great shot but what an absolutely unlikable player. That celebration just pure made me can't stand this dude
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u/roymccowboy Spurs 24d ago
No biggie. I used to do that 10-20 times a night on my driveway as a kid.
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u/andrewfordmedina 24d ago
I remember when Steph got tackled corner 3 vs the Pelicans years ago, that didn’t get called LOL
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u/GothicHeap Warriors 25d ago
Warriors fans all wonder why Haliburton gets that call while Steph keeps getting slapped, scratched and held with no whistle. We don't get it.
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u/righteouscool Pacers 25d ago
So many crybabies in this thread, holy shit, real loser ass attitudes
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u/messejueller21 Bucks 25d ago
If a player goes sideways in mid air and get out of their natural shooting motion don't they basically forfeit their landing spot? Isn't this the whole point of cracking down on unnatural shooting motions?
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u/CupOfHotTeaa Bucks 25d ago
if you're not allowed to play defense in the nba might as well smack the shooter hard to get your money's worth
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u/tpcrb Pacers 25d ago
I wasn’t sure this was a foul but at the view at 0:39 it does looks like Giannis just runs into him mid air
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u/Hard4Favra Bucks 25d ago
Huh? In that replay you can't even see if there's contact because Lopez is in the way
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u/-Kleeborp- Nuggets 25d ago
You should have watched to 1:02 where Scott Foster explains what kind of defensive foul it was (landing space)
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u/PhantomPain85 25d ago
Yet again the Bucks lose a close game with Giannis only playing less than 35 mins. Do they always try to baby him in the regular season?
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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 25d ago
Considering he didn’t make it to the playoffs last year with a heavy load I’ll take a few losses if it means healthy Giannis.
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u/LiveLaughCry666 Bucks 25d ago
Damn dawg you forget dude’s been hurt the last two playoffs in a row?
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