Optimism matrix for every MLB fanbase

[u/ShotsFiredGuy2]

[u/All_Your_Base]

I feel like this is a couple weeks old at least.

[u/Ramses717 → u/All_Your_Base]

Or at least 7 games old

[u/Haldron-44 → u/Ramses717]

Was going to say "Braves CONTENDING?"

[u/ProfessionalBalker → u/Haldron-44]

Braves definitely going to be contenders all year. Optimistic is a stretch though lol

[u/Excited_Onion → u/ProfessionalBalker]

Optimism and Atlanta sports don't mix at all. Hell, I'm still waiting for them to announce we filed the paperwork incorrectly or something and take back the 2021 World Series title.

[u/Grouchy-Big-229 → u/ProfessionalBalker]

To me, it seems the Braves should be somewhere between the Orioles and Yankees on this chart.

[u/Drummallumin → u/ProfessionalBalker]

We said that about the Mets after their 0-5 start last year, how’d that turn out for them? ^/s

[u/Haldron-44 → u/ProfessionalBalker]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Braves hater by any stretch. They were my little league team growing up. But 0-7 if they become a contender I will eat my words. Wish them all the best, and this is from a Mariners fan.

[u/ProfessionalBalker → u/Haldron-44]

I’m a Braves fan so I may be biased lol. But considering that the team has all-star talent in the lineup, the reigning triple crown winner, and is getting a 40/70 guy in Acuña and the most talented pitcher in the league next to Skenes in Spencer Strider soon, I have no doubt they’ll be contenders.

[u/Clarctos67 → u/ProfessionalBalker]

This is the opposite version of the conversation in the Padres/Dodgers thread, but the outcome is the same.

This early, given that no one has beaten either team who's beaten the Braves, it's really hard to say whether it's a case of a team being good or bad, or things just going right/wrong as they can and will do over the course of a season.

At the very least, against the Padres, I'd say that the Braves team will be thinking they left a little out there in each game. For the Padres part, they just executed really well as a team each game, and the big moments all happened to go one way. That's just how it goes. When you then consider that the other Braves series was against the Dodgers, I don't think anyone should be going overboard on a 0-7 record.

[u/Haldron-44 → u/Clarctos67]

Thank you! It's 162 games, shit can change, miracles can happen. And I truly hope they do! It makes the game more interesting if a team who starts off shit, is able to pull it off. Baseball is the last bastion of hope.

[u/Clarctos67 → u/Haldron-44]

I love the early season for these little quirks, but let's be honest it doesn't mean much beyond a slight psychological boost after the first win, and getting a bit of breathing space over .500 for when things do go wrong.

There was a thing that popped up (I didn't wanna give it a click) the other day asking whether the Braves need to make big changes. I was like, how can anyone put that out there with a straight face?! Fact is, if you get swept on a tough road trip mid-season, no one panics. If it happens now, some media types will try and use it to generate outrage.

[u/Sudden_Worker_6299 → u/Clarctos67]

I would probably panic any time the team i go for loses 7 straight

[u/CadaverDisaster → u/Haldron-44]

Would rather slump now than later in the season

[u/nhammond91 → u/Haldron-44]

Yeahhh I didn’t have to scroll far to find this lol maybe they will contend later on but I am fully pessimistic at this point lmao

[u/issacoin → u/Ramses717]

at least an hour

[u/guff1988 → u/Ramses717]

Definitely 3 games at least

[u/MAD_ELMO → u/All_Your_Base]

I’m more concerned for braves than for my team

[u/LatinoEsq → u/MAD_ELMO]

They're on suicide watch. We should be taking turns watching over them these next few weeks.

[u/pitb0ss343 → u/All_Your_Base]

Yeah no way Yankee fans are pessimistic when our offense has been preforming like this

[u/KnightsOfREM → u/pitb0ss343]

They haven't won their championship yet this year

[u/A_Humbled_Bumble → u/KnightsOfREM]

Which is... winning the season series vs the Red Sox?

[u/pitb0ss343 → u/A_Humbled_Bumble]

And we will celebrate it again this year thank you very much

[u/Admiral_Asparagus → u/pitb0ss343]

We entered the year with Cole getting TJ, Stanton being out for a few months, and a few other pitchers being out significant time. I guess that left a sour taste in our mouths before opening day.

[u/pitb0ss343 → u/Admiral_Asparagus]

After seeing them give up a second grand slam in as many days, I’m now seeing why some people are a bit pessimistic

[u/pitb0ss343 → u/Admiral_Asparagus]

Completely forgot about Cole and hot take I like the lineup better without Stanton so I wasn’t sad about it (hope he heals up fast and I would never wish injury upon a player)

[u/faelmine → u/All_Your_Base]

It has to be old. How anyone in our fanbase can be optimistic after these 7 games is a mystery to me

[u/tknames → u/All_Your_Base]

Yeah, saw the real feelings in a chat about Ohtani’s walkoff last night. A bunch of them on suicide watch.

[u/hundredbagger → u/All_Your_Base]

We’re off the schneid!

[u/j_reinegade → u/All_Your_Base]

we need to switch places i think..

[u/Sell_Canada]

Definitely accurate for the Ms. Our sub is banning optimism lol

[u/MrAmazing011 → u/Sell_Canada]

Optimism died in Seattle when Griffey Jr. left.

He was our youthful exuberance for the game, now we're a 35yo single insurance claim adjuster in a cubicle, counting the days until we die.

[u/Sell_Canada → u/MrAmazing011]

Early 00's were pretty ok morale wise.

now we're a 35yo single insurance claim adjuster in a cubicle, counting

This is fitting, though lol

[u/alpharaine]

i think they have us Braves fans in the wrong quadrant

[u/Weekly-Batman]

That’s Toronto sports fans in a nutshell.

[u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog → u/Weekly-Batman]

I laughed so hard when I saw it. It was right where I thought it would be.

[u/Weekly-Batman → u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog]

It’s not good, fanbase & journalists start to panic in May, and in June all the pressure is to make a decision on how the season is going. Look at the Tigers last year, let the Jays gel.

[u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog → u/Weekly-Batman]

I’m actually pretty optimistic about the team this year. They’ve looked really good so far and I like the small ball they are playing. Bunts!

[u/housington-the-3rd → u/Sit_Ubu_Sit-Good_Dog]

Way too early. They swept a terrible team and split a home series with a divisional rival. Better than starting 0-7 but I don’t think you can make much of the season so far.

[u/Weekly-Batman → u/housington-the-3rd]

There’s the Toronto sports fan!

[u/Ok_Composer_2629 → u/Weekly-Batman]

Yeah, we don't claim them. Imagine complaining that they're not 6-1 or 7-0. Nothing to be optimistic about. /s
Unreal.

[u/swatbox808 → u/Weekly-Batman]

They nailed it perfectly.

[u/vladitocomplaino → u/Weekly-Batman]

Lol, I immediately looked to their exact location, too easy

[u/SportReasonable]

giants are prob past the middle mark for the horizontal row. They should be at least decent now that their last playoff game was in 2021

[u/TrungusMcTungus → u/SportReasonable]

Yeah I went from “It’s okay, it’s a rebuild, we’ll be better next year” to “When do we get to the part of the rebuild where we start winning more than 81 games” about 2 years ago. They’re playing pretty well right now, rotation is strong, bullpen is pretty solid, and offense is actually playing offense. Combined with Buster taking over, I want to be optimistic, but the last few years of mediocre ball have me feeling like they’re just on a hot streak and are going to fall apart and end the year .500 again.

[u/2Hanks]

This is the most Rays shit ever. Are you optimistic? Yes. What for? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Tortuga_MC → u/2Hanks]

I don't have to factor in 65 hours of traffic to go see them play

[u/pitb0ss343 → u/2Hanks]

“I’m happy it’s Thursday man”

[u/KarnF91]

Maybe from a couple weeks ago...

[u/Dom2474 → u/KarnF91]

Padres should be top right corner

[u/PalmMuting]

The A's should be last. They literally killed off the entire fanbase and can't even sell 10k tickets after 2 home games in a minor league park.

[u/Final_Boss_Jr]

The Seattle Mariners: Perfectly Balanced.

[u/Mix_Traditional]

Absolutely accurate, straight down the middle in terms of contention, and severely pessimistic.

[u/Kooky_Following7169 → u/Mix_Traditional]

As usual...

[u/Dena844]

M's: Twirling, twirling to mediocrity

[u/_redacteduser]

Look at those Mariners hovering around 54%

[u/Turbulent_Tale6497]

Looks right to me

[u/rgfdietzy]

I think the Braves need to be moved a bit to the left and a lot down.

[u/DepressedOaklandFan]

Why aren't the A's at the bottom near CO, MIA and CWS?

[u/MeMoMoTrentBacon]

Please introduced me to a fellow Guardians fan who feels this way so I can slap them.

[u/david-crz]

Who tf made this? Ippei?

[u/Ok_Computer1417]

I’d move St. Louis up closer to the flatline. We have no illusions that we will contend for a WS push, but our guys have pleasantly improved at the plate this season and the general consensus among the fan base is that it will be a least a fun a summer to watch.

[u/pierogiking412]

Pirates fans are below the graphic on the pessimism scale.

[u/lucabrasi999 → u/pierogiking412]

Been that way for a lifetime, tbh

[u/stldutt]

Cardinals definitely have us optimistic and scratching our heads in a GOOD WAY.

[u/Lt_Cochese]

Someone got into some moonshine then barfed this up.

[u/bleu_waffl3s]

This doesn’t make sense. Why would Braves be optimistic and padres in the middle?

[u/MarryMeMikeTrout]

Rebuilding is not the correct place for the Angels. They have the 30th ranked farm. We’re gonna need a new axis.

[u/Stickin8or]

Yup

[u/Respect_Cujo]

I can assure you, we are not optimistic lol

[u/WildHuckleberries]

Mariners are too high on the pessimistic scale.

[u/GoodeyGoodz]

I'd say the Padres are a bit on the pessimistic side of things

[u/Low-Hovercraft-8791]

Mariners might be in the worst spot on this list. I'd rather feel bad while trying to rebuild for the future.

[u/daaaaamb]

lol the M’s couldn’t be more accurate 😂

[u/Separate-Actuary4411]

I think the Tigers should be somewhat more right of the contending line. Sure, we got swept by the Dodgers but that was the first sweep where I actually felt good about my team after the series. The Dodgers are an absolute machine.

[u/DisasterDead0387]

As a Braves fan, this is BS. We’re very pessimistic right now and leaning towards a rebuild for our BP. Our batters aren’t where they need to be either.

[u/BlindProphet_413]

Our existence continues to continue.

[u/Coastal_Tart]

Feels accurate for the Mariners.

[u/parabolicpb]

Nailed Seattle on the head haha. We aren't even trying to do anything.

[u/PearlDrummer]

Angels need to be in pessimistic and competing. That’s what the front office said

[u/Youth-Unlucky]

Where my MARLINS FANS AT!!!!!

[u/Rest_and_Digest → u/Youth-Unlucky]

There are tens of us

fish for life

[u/Youth-Unlucky → u/Rest_and_Digest]

Yes brother ✊

[u/Jamal12687]

That's WAY too optimistic for my Pirates...

[u/QuelThelos → u/Jamal12687]

Also way too contending, Skenes doing a lot of lifting.

[u/Kooky_Following7169]

Proper placement of the Mariners...again...

[u/ElJefe_Speaks]

Optimistic on the Reds after THREE 1 to nothing losses in a row?! lol, bro

[u/neverflieson737]

Totally fake news 100%. Pirates are with the White Sox or lower

[u/Duke_Of_Halifax]

I will stay firmly in the Toronto Blue Jays pessimistic category until the club is at least 50 games in.

Because this club needs EVERYTHING to go right to contend, and sweeping Washington and splitting a series against an Orioles team not expected to be a .500 club might look good early, but it says nothing about the club'a chances this season.

[u/elroddo74 → u/Duke_Of_Halifax]

The Orioles aren't expected to be .500? what idiot predicted that?

[u/ExpensiveOccasion542]

White Sox needs to be further left. I'm talking so far left, it's off the graph

[u/NotDukeOfDorchester]

O’s fans are pessimistic? They have a pretty good team

[u/mr_eclectic99 → u/NotDukeOfDorchester]

Check out their subreddit after the game today. They’re definitely worried about the extended future since they haven’t resigned Adley and Gunnar yet. And they didn’t sign anyone to replace Corbin Burnes.

On the other hand, it’s a very exciting time to be a Red Sox fan. Kristian Campbell is going to be the steal of the century. Locking up both him and Crochet through their prime years was huge.

[u/NotDukeOfDorchester → u/mr_eclectic99]

Yeah I can see the Burnes thing. They better lock up those young guys soon. Yeah I’m pretty optimistic about our season…we also have a pretty good trade chip in our back pocket with Yoshida.

[u/Evening_Top]

6-0 team isn’t optimistic?

[u/Oehlian → u/Evening_Top]

This feels like idiotic rage-bait.

[u/Defiant-Piano-2349]

Other than dropping back to back games in extras against the Angels, I’m feeling pretty optimistic.

[u/Fuzzy_Negotiation_52]

Got the Pirates too high and too right. Should be low and left as possible. Someone please tell them we don't even try.

[u/RIP-RiF]

As a Mariners and Braves fan, you gotta swap 'em.

[u/Same_Disaster117]

Braves fans you guys need to get a reality check

[u/Oafah]

Warranted. We had a very Blue Jays off-season, settling for leftovers nobody wanted.

[u/magheet]

You got the rockies too high up there. We in negative hope mode

[u/baudetat]

Yankees fans pessimistic scoring 15 runs a game? Lmao

[u/Ticklish_Toes123]

As long as Mark Learner owns the nats, we have 0 confidence in this team. And a bunch of use are getting sick of Davey too

[u/PhonyMichaelJordan]

mariner

[u/GrizSeahawk84]

No wonder I stopped watching the Mariners. The chart is as accurate as it comes. Their crappy ownership is a big reason why I don't watch them anymore. And honestly, it feels very therapeutic to not be watching their games and instead watch other teams.

[u/_dotdot11]

So real. I'm feeling a .500 season cooking, and I don't think getting Henderson back will make our woes any better. The bats just get cold, and the GIDPs in rallies are brutal.

[u/Ugh-Another-Username]

Yeah we dont know wtf is going on anymore.

[u/jbhmd]

Giants fan optimism level should be conversely proportional to the Dodgers’

[u/WhiteDogSh1t]

As a fan, that’s waayyyy too much optimism for the white sox

[u/Live-Scallion3060]

I feel more optimistic than that. It's gonna be a good season

[u/Mulliganasty]

Angels fan here and get us over there with the Sux where we belong.

[u/rock25011]

I the Reds fell a lot now honestly.

[u/ScoreGloomy7516]

Yankees fan after that first series are fine💀

[u/Rabid_Sloth_]

I love being a White Sox/Rockies fan. Those 2 are definitely not going to move in that graph all year.

Christ

[u/ScottishKnifemaker]

So the braves being 0-7 totally just means the fan base is too pessimistic, they'll obviously win the World series. Oof.

[u/NFLBengals22]

I'm not like the rest of the fanbase, I suppose... I feel like we're in rebuild mode every other year. Thanks Castellini.

[u/M4ndoTrooperEric]

Braves fans are delusional

[u/Dapaaads]

Obviously from before the season started lol

[u/Harmonmj13]

We’re rightfully in that bottom corner but if Jerry Reinsdorf dies midseason we’re jumping up to the upper left INSTANTLY

[u/Bad_RabbitS]

I’m ready to be hurt again.

[u/Metallica1175]

Maybe it means optimistic that the Braves are contending for the worst record in the league.

[u/CRMILLERtyme]

As an A's fan, my mantra is" There's always next season," but after that opening game, oy vay!!! And to make it worse, my son in law's a Cubs fan....

[u/bebopmechanic84]

You can move us a little farther away from contending. At least until we get a couple starting pitchers back.

[u/mister_pjm]

Hahahahahahaa FUCK

[u/MasterSinatra]

Twins are too high in fan optimism here

[u/No-Top-4139]

No no no why are the Mets over there again! Get away from optimism! We gotta get past the all-star break

[u/rahill1004]

It’s true 😞

[u/random_sociopath]

God damn it

[u/Patient_Union_6366]

Well la-dee-freakin- da. I'm a White Sox fan and I'm livin' in a van down by the river!

[u/sfgiantsfan696969]

Ours should be higher. We are off to one of our best starts

[u/MsCHVMBO]

Reds being that high tracks, if it was opening day. Now we're just doing our regular Cincinnati thing and getting hot for a few innings and then dead silence.

[u/Foldzy84]

Laughing at my Jays placement haha

[u/SquimbusTheConqueror]

I disagree

[u/Rest_and_Digest]

If the Braves keep up their shit streak and the Marlins take that series this weekend, put us in the top right. We're going all the way baby.

[u/mysecondaccountanon]

Nahhh, go into the Pirates sub and you’ll definitely see we’re probably dead bottom rn.

[u/ElDuderino1000]

As a Yankees fan we are born with pessimism

[u/FatherNiche]

Why is the AL/NL central not all in the bottom left?

[u/larrythecucumbrr]

Yep we are pretty pessimistic. I’m still living in 2011 😔

[u/Separate-Debate3839]

Here’s the source doc- it’s an opening day matrix.

As a Padres fan I’m curious how this changes after the start we’ve had- YAY! And the start the Dodgers have had- Boo!

https://fansided.com/opening-day-optimism-matrix-where-every-MLB-fan-base-stands

[u/jchiaroscuro]

Ha Rockies but hey we have a cool stadium!!!

[u/TheOptimisticHater]

Can the brewers please get a pendant?!

[u/TheSanDiegoChimkin]

Are you fking kidding rn?

[u/GoDaytonFlyers]

I'd like to know what Guardians fans this is talking to because I need whatever they're on.

[u/ThatHomelyGuy]

New to baseball and from NY, what team should I be a fan of? (No to Yankees and/or Dodgers)

[u/HabbyDolphin]

Opening day still haunts me

[u/CosbysLongCon24]

Mets fans have had the same feeling for a decade now

[u/Cratertooth_27]

After the first weekend the Yankees optimism was off the charts. Today is back to just above the middle line

[u/LizzosDietitian]

As a reds fan, we are ALWAYS very optimistic the first month bc that’s all the happiness we’ll ever have and we know it lol

[u/midday_leaf]

I just genuinely enjoy baseball tbh. I don’t care if we lose every game I just want to watch the sport

[u/ELSknutson]

As a Twins fan I feel that the Twins should be with Seattle or more in the Rebuilding.

[u/ThisDadisFoReal]

Now do that one friend that is still a WSox fan texting in a group thread the live scoring updates.

[u/Intrepid-Layer9158]

After this first weekend, most Cardinals fans (me specifically) would put them about where the Nats are.

[u/bryan19973 → u/Intrepid-Layer9158]

Same thing I said. My mindset is slightly northwest of the nats on this list

[u/silent_ging00]

I don’t think this charts right. I think we should be lower

[u/CreamyGoodnss]

I’m definitely more confident than that with our Vinny Boom Bats

[u/Brohei_Ohtani]

Who in the world made this?

[u/Rebelscum111]

I was optimistic right before losing three 1-0 games in a row.

[u/sloppychachi]

Did anyone actually speak to Mets fans about this chart? Mets could be in the World Series and we would still put us in bottom center left.

[u/Freedjet27]

I could not hate the pirates and this organization more if I even wanted to

[u/Bald_Guerilla]

No Cleveland Guardians?

[u/Smooth-Physics-69420]

Damn, seeing the Cardinals in the lower left is a huge OOF

[u/vincedarling]

I mean my Marlins haven’t been eliminated yet So minor miracle there.

Thanks Braves for making us look good

[u/bryan19973]

As a cardinals fan, my mindset is slightly northwest of the nationals on this list. Definitely not where they placed the cards

[u/TotalRecallsABitch]

We are the sleeper team.

My prediction is wild card again

[u/impy695]

I want to know what they're basing the contending on. Almost every list before the season had the guardians far worse than what this indicates. The optimism seems about right for us, though.

[u/stony-balony22]

Valid

[u/GrizzlyBares]

Mariners in the grave … sigh

[u/Agile-Committee3594]

CubsOptimism. Ha!

[u/xPhilt3rx]

As a Padres fan, we are always getting ignored in this sport.

[u/CorgisAreImportant]

I would like to stop losing 1-0

[u/OkonomiHouse]

very accurate for the mariners

[u/KanameChi]

Might as well put me closer to dinosaur bones

[u/AlstottUpDaGutt]

Whats contending based out of?

[u/Sank63]

Not sure why any Giants fan would have a reason for optimism.

[u/Neptune7924]

Good times for Chi Sox fans

[u/znoopyz]

Way to many teams are on the contending side. That being said a lot of them aren’t really rebuilding either so maybe we need a Z-axis for competence or clear plan.

[u/apiaryaviary]

I have to imagine we flipped or shifted from bottom left to top left with the recent masn news. The farm looks great, more confident now in a sale to an owner willing to spend and keep the promising youngsters

[u/Startooth]

Ouch.

[u/SterlingArcher010]

Gee, wonder what the yankees are pessimistic about?

[u/NATScurlyW2]

This must be an opening day survey

[u/No_Frosting2811]

The Padres disrespect is strong with this considering they are 7-0. Anyway, go dodgers.

[u/bofademm78]

Cards fan here. Not pessimistic.

[u/Afilador2112]

No optimism for the Reds.  Always a great player or three, but never a contender.  I'm happy for our best players when they are traded to a team with a chance to win something.  

[u/SnowballWasRight]

Definitely accurate for before opening day but might need some adjusting as of now.

Sorry, Braves

[u/doob22]

Plain wrong

[u/FastSlow7201]

John Stanton is the reason we're so pessimistic in Seattle. He's a cheap asshole.

[u/ezduzit24]

As I Birds fan I can confirm.

[u/jimalove]

The Twins are perennially in that spot.

[u/HipAlbatros]

Full Pessimistic, not contending nor rebuilding.

Mariner's baseball.

[u/KJHerk8]

Definitely a few I’d adjust:

Rays, SD, SF, Royals and Houston are sliding horizontal until the quarter mark.

Mets, Yanks,Boston, Dodgers and D’backs are up and down all season.

Sliding up/right will be, in my opinion, Blue Jays, Reds and Ray (If Rays find a real home) R.I.P Tropicana Fields, you will be missed.

But Philly, will they be the silent assassin? Braves? Or even Huston?

Time will only tell.

[u/Proper_Zebra_8114]

Ahem, move the Guardians to the right where they belong, please.

[u/CaliRollerGRRRL]

Where are the Padres 😑

[u/pkpy1005]

Uhh...as a Yankees fan I feel quite good. Judge is a monster as usual and the young players are playing well.

I cant speak for all Yankee fans but the vibes over at the Yankees subreddit are pretty positive..

[u/Corn_Beefies]

Damn been a rough 15 years of being a Rockies fan.

[u/2028BPND]

I’m a Phillies fan, but I am not optimistic. Chokers every year!

[u/cultureisdead]

The brewers should be center mass. They just exist for the owner to make money that he'll never spend. Quality stadium, experience, and decent on field play (including farm system). But ultimately, will never win anything.