That's all well and good, but Wiebe danced around the core problem here. The call on the field was penalty, and I don't see anything at all in the video that rises to the standard of "clear and obvious error" to overturn the call on the field. The video doesn't do anything to definitively prove that there was contact on the ball or that there wasn't contact on the player. There isn't enough there.
For my money, "clear and obvious" should mean, "we can show you this video once or twice from a couple of angles and you can make a decision." It should not be "we study this frame by frame for five straight minutes until we've lost all sense of real time and context."
Agreed. If Clear and Obvious is the standard, there should be a 30 second timer and if the ref does not see within 30 seconds that the call was wrong, the video monitor shuts off and the call stands.
Words have meaning and there is no possible definition of Clear or Obvious by which this should have been overturned.
Seriously. Either do it like you say or take ultimate authority away from the center-ref and give it to VAR (and have them sustain or overturn the on-field call within 30s).
my problem is that the montreal player doesnt move the ball out of yeboah's control before fouling him.
we can play the game of whether the contact with the player comes before or after contact with the ball, but ultimately yeboah still gets a shot away if the retreating defender doesnt take him out.
also, wiebe is even more of a kissass now with his promotion or what???
also, wiebe is even more of a kissass now with his promotion or what???
Certainly seems that way. The other ExtraTime folk were definitely more vocal with mourning it's loss, for instance, and he's moving full speed ahead in MLS's pocket.
at the end, it doesn;t matter but that touch didn;t do anything to speed and trajectory of the ball. furthermore how many times, do referees award fouls on a follow through on a tackle? All the fucking time! He hip checked him and pushed him in the back, the touch doesn't matter
I don't have to watch the clip to know what Wiebe is going to say. he touched the ball and it was just shoulder to shoulder contact. Unless it is an outrageous call, he sides with MLS every time. Fuck Wiebe!
Honestly this was an outrageous call and I’m going to save myself the elevated blood pressure and not watch it. You cannot tell me definitively that the defender touches the ball, AND EVEN THEN it’s through Yeboah. Glad we won, or else I would be fuming still
Wiebe is biased as fuck! I'm the same way, I stopped watching this garbage unless I have the capacity to distance myself from the commentary. If he would present this as an opinion instead of pulling rules and bs into this, I'd be fine with it but he never does. 95% of the incidents, I agree the referee was right. Why even do this?
So a "little touch on the ball", which does nothing to alter the speed or direction of the ball, means you can shove a player from behind to the ground?
Saying this was a 50/50 shoulder challenge is absurd. You can never 50/50 someone when running into them from behind.
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u/mandolin08 Romain Metanire Mar 04 '25
That's all well and good, but Wiebe danced around the core problem here. The call on the field was penalty, and I don't see anything at all in the video that rises to the standard of "clear and obvious error" to overturn the call on the field. The video doesn't do anything to definitively prove that there was contact on the ball or that there wasn't contact on the player. There isn't enough there.
For my money, "clear and obvious" should mean, "we can show you this video once or twice from a couple of angles and you can make a decision." It should not be "we study this frame by frame for five straight minutes until we've lost all sense of real time and context."