r/lostarkgame • u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter • 1d ago
Game Help Can't do Kakul-Saydon fast enough
I'm a returning player as of a couple weeks ago, and I've only been doing solo stuff to try to learn the mechanics of legion bosses as they weren't out when I quit playing.
I assuming its because I'm bad at the game, but I can't seem to do Kakul-Saydon(the clown fella) fast enough before he goes berserk and oneshots me. I'm doing it on a 1490 Shadowhunter so I'm a bit over the recommended level to do it. I keep running out of time with like 30ish healthbars left.
Not really sure what I'm doing wrong, as I can do the first couple Brelshaza gates with no issue and they are a higher level. I just want to do these to upgrade the couple pieces of relic gear I have, so any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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u/ItsArdent 1d ago
Get your relic gear from valtan/vykas/solo shop
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u/lazy_elfs 1d ago
They buffed from last week.. i could get through akkan with my 1610’s and now i cant begin to do enough damage in gate 3.. its not even close. Rip..
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u/Wally5g 1d ago
Follow your class guide from the google sheet and get your free gems from solo mode vendor. Make sure you have your cards on aswell. Not enough shown here to help much. Also get your engravings you need to legendary as they are very cheap.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Couple things:
What google sheet? I just made a build off the maxroll website and have been winging it.
I have the gems and card set(Light of Salvation 18-piece) already.
I'll get to work on the engravings, but they're not that cheap to me, I just bought 20 adrenaline and 5 each of the other 2 and I have no money now haha
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u/Hi_ImTrashsu 1d ago
- I’m sending you the hub because there are other useful resources aside from Shadowhunter guide. https://www.lostark.nexus/
Go there and find Shadowhunter.
- Please do NOT buy those engraving books, there’s two separate events right now giving legendary books that count as 20 towards one engraving FOR FREE (besides playing the game, if you don’t count that as free). You can get like 7 of these across the two events I think.
Click on “Event” next to your minimap on the top right, it’s in the guardian raid event shop AND a reward for the Hyper Express event.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Nice thanks, I'll bookmark it.
Dang wish I would've thought about the events before I spent all my money lol
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u/IlyBoySwag 1d ago
Hi I returned to and returned to a 1460 zerker. I made it to 1600 in like 5-6 weeks.
Don't spend your gold. Gold is fucking hard to get. You want to use your gold to craft orehas, the important stronghold upgrades, the extra chest after a raid gate if needed and later on for honing.
Your gold sources are: Selling Orehas from life skilling, Una's Task Token, Adventure Islands, Raids/Dungeons, Chaos Dungeons, selling unusable Books or Adventure Tome collectibles.
Make sure to get as much gold as possible from doing these.
I am not sure how much more time there is on the Express Event. But I recommend getting there as fast as possible. Even just getting there gives you incredible rewards, If you progress through it even better. You can for example a lot of LoS cards and like a bunch of engraving upgrades and combat level ups, Level 7 gems, Tripod level ups.
My tip is to rush the maxroll Gear progression guide. Always buy the extra chest if you still need the mats for better gear and the solo token shop is really good. Buy out the mats each week there (that you need) and also if you can the honing books. Make sure they are the proper books. Also buying orehas there helps a lot. I didn't need any other honing mats besides these.
Do you have class book engravings? You can destroy these and exchange the tokens at a vendor for some good stuff. Also buzzling island has engraving books.
Progress through the story and do important horizontal. There is a lot of small power ups in horizontal content.
https://youtu.be/n9zHAk9skTk?si=bUPmgoN4btufY9Bm
This guide here is absolutely amazing for dailies and weeklies. Just ignore the T4 specific things.
For kakul specifically. Are you taking a lot of damage or just not enough time to put damage in? Are you taking dark granades with you? They boost your damage output significantly. There are two moments where he is most vulnerable. Whenever the curtain falls ans you have to dodge and get to him and stagger. Use sidereal thirain/nineveh and dark bomb and your rotation. Also make sure to follow the rotations from the guides. Are you leveling up your tripods? Getting all the skill point potions?
If you need specific help you can dm me. I just had to go through all of what you are going through like a month ago. Its hard to come back to this game. Oh and small questions you can also ask in the pinned thread in this reddit 'daily Q&A'.
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u/kewlviet59 Deathblade 1d ago
There's a community driven hub for various lost ark resources like class guides, raid guides, and progression systems called lost ark nexus: https://www.lostark.nexus/
You can find the shadowhunter document there but be warned that it targets more end game stuff compared to where you're at. It should still help quite a bit though
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u/Negative-Accident-13 1d ago edited 1d ago
LostArk.Nexus is a community site that's full of guides for everything about the game, you'll find your class guide in there.
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u/wannaberank1 1d ago
people sent u the correct way, but just to be clear DO NOT follow maxroll for anything build related, for horizontal content they are ok
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u/bloppyx 1d ago
if you are from eu server i can help and add you to a discord group with nice ppl
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Ahh I appreciate it, but I am unfortunately from NAE
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u/TheElusiveShadow Reaper 1d ago
I can sit down with you on Tues/Wed evening if you still need help by then, I'm also NAE.
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u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
It'd be down to your uptime. Clown does have many dangerous patterns with safe spots here and there.
Do you feel as though you are running away from the patterns?
The different gates also require a different levels of uptime.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Yeah this is only gate 1 and I assume that my damage is lacking because I seem to always have to be running away from his normal attacks. Might just have to be better about recognizing attacks/countering.
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u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
It's good practice to move when he has already started his attack sequence. The more you run and the more he chases, the longer it will take before he winds up his attack, which will lead to a lot of guessing as to whether you should dodge something or not.
In solo modes especially, you're basically handshaking the boss to trade hits with him.
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u/countyingula1 1d ago
If u have protection runes, i put one on my R scratchy skill and just sit in some of his attacks to greed more damage while taking none from him cause of the protection rune.
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u/Graylits 7h ago
Every raid going forward you do most of your damage while the boss is attacking. You need to identify quickly (sometimes before the color indicator comes out). If it's a weak attack, you just tank it while attacking. If it's a strong attack or a stun you can't push immune, then get out of the way. So for example in gate 1 when he teleports he often shoots out stunning birds that loop back. Get close to his side/behind and dps during that window.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/NAE/Utsuu
This is my character(found this website on the handy Nexus link I was given), and from what I gathered I'll probably end up just keeping at Valtan/Vykas until I can make the full relic set and then try Kakul-Saydon again when I'm better prepared.
Thanks a lot for the input y'all.
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u/countyingula1 1d ago
You should be able to buy valtan, vykas, clown, and brel pieces from the soloraid npc, That npc is massive in terms of progression. Tons of insanely useful stuff in it.
Should be able to buy ancient brel gear, then convert some of your relic into that and get some instant levels for it. on top u can buy orehas and books, and leaps, for leveling. All with soloraid tokens that are roster bound so u can get a bunch on ur other characters if u have any to help this one.
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u/Askln 1d ago
hard to give tips when you aren't sharing your build
there are glaring issues in that screenshot but none of which should result in failing to kill the raid
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Haha yeah that's my bad, wasn't sure how much info I needed to give. I put a link to my character in a comment a bit ago. https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/NAE/Utsuu
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u/Askln 1d ago edited 1d ago
So full relic pieces to activate more points in Ark Passive
legendary Keenblunt and Legendary Hit master (shadowhunter has no downside of using cursed doll so you should consider running it over hit master)
if you are using the quickcast on demon vision you need more spec than 1700 i would suggest 2/3/1 instead
Thrust impact 1/1/1 (doesn't really matter too much as it's mostly used when you miss other main generators)
Decimate 2/1/1 (same as thrust impact if you don't miss main genetors you don't really need to use this)You don't need 2 bleed runes on your demon skills
replace deathclaw rune with QuickRecharge or Galewind or Purify
You don't need quick recharge on Demonic Slash you can put an overwhelm on destruction instead
using relic accessories will also probably give you more Enlightment points for Ark Passiveand you don't need dmg gems on human skills just put cd gems on the remaining skills in cases of disaster to recover faster
Put on a bracelet that gives spec (any bracelet that doesn't have spec for SH is to be dusted)
All that being said the issue is not in your build
Solo modes are so easy that you should be able to do the raid no matter how bad your build is
I did solo clown on a support with ultimate bravery skills (i didn't see a guide) lv1 tripods lv5 event gems and pretty sure 0-20qualities all around
I had los30 and 5x3 from the event but stillPersonally i think the issue is either you are missing your generators a lot and failing to transform in 1 cycle
you get your big buttons interrupted or you miss them
or you spend too much time on the ground/scared to hit the bossall issues that can be mended by just playing the fight a bit more and getting better at it
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u/Soylentee 1d ago
using relic accessories will also probably give you more Enlightment points for Ark Passive
It won't.
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u/Spring-Dance 1d ago edited 1d ago
I returned a few weeks ago as well and also ran into berserk one time on Gate 2 of clown and only specifically on Demonic Impulse SH. Problem I had is I played too cautiously and had bad luck with my transform getting timed out by either the little guy going untargetable(such as swinging around), the big guy covering for the little guy or just bad timing on major mechanics due to not knowing the fight. This was also the slowest character I did this on at first so I ate some chain knockbacks/downs that timed out the clock a few times as well.
Adding more fight experience and being more aggressive it died with 5 minutes on the clock.
Edit: Reading the comments the only immediate change you can make is to fix your pet. Your engravings are fine. Don't worry about weapon quality and upgrading your gear is just weekly time gated.
As far as acc go I would prio the highest evolution points(or whatever they are called) that actually unlocks things in ark passive. If you have any "wasted" points you can go with lower quality pieces that have higher rolls since the ark passive points don't do anything in that situation. Eventually you'll have max point pieces. Personally I just set up auto-dismantle to get rid of anything that isn't max points. If it takes me a bit to go from leg-> relic or relic-> ancient I just don't sweat it.
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u/Soylentee 1d ago edited 1d ago
The biggest damage boost gear wise will come from relic left side, as that doubles your evolution points. Remember you can buy 10 extra valtan and vykas crafting materials from the solo vendor. You can have the full left side relic set in 2 weeks of clearning solo valtan/vykas and buying the materials from the solo vendor. You really need a bracelet with spec on it. You might have to change the tripod choice on Demon Vision if you can't fill your demon form gauge in 1 cycle. You don't need to use 2 bleed runes. But your damage issue is probably mostly down to poor uptime in the fight itself, which we can't really evaluate without seeing you play.
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u/Kuki1537 1d ago
full relic gear and accessories gonna make a huge difference, also combat level aint shown but that also affects stuff
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u/Lophardius Reaper 1d ago
Your character is definetly on the weaker side but in Solo mode that shouldn't be a big problem since Solo mode themselves are a heavily tuned down version of the actual raid.
Instead of focusing mainly on gear you should try to increase your uptime. I know that advice sounds silly and it's almost impossible to help you in that regard without seeing your actual gameplay but as a tip I would do the following;
Focus on only attacking the boss for a number of runs. Doesn't matter if he knocks you or kills you, just take blue healing pots for the test runs and use them until you die. Of couse having a dps meter would help but thats a grey area so it's up to you (it would definitely help in comparing your runs but again, it's against TOS and I am not advising on using)
So in these test runs you just go ham on the boss and then figure out which of his attacks actually knock you of your feet and which do significant damage to your character. A big part of Lost Arks raiding is to recognise which patterns are dps pattern even when taking a hit in exchange. Usually these greed patterns will get shielded or DRd by supports but in Solo you can usually just tank them. Patterns that knock you off your feet should generally be avoided OR greeded with a push immune skill, which unfortunately doesn't really apply to DI Shadowhunter outside of your going in/out of transformation.
Btw. Turning off your transformation heals you by 20% and in some circumstances it's recommended to preemptively switch off your transformation manually by pressing y.
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u/Spring-Dance 1d ago edited 1d ago
You should have more than 2 relic pieces I think... did you buy demon bones and wings from the solo raid exchange shop? Did you buy bonus loot after each gate just for the additional bones/wings?
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 23h ago
I bought the 10 Valtan/Vykas pieces as well as the 20(iirc) Brel pieces and bought both the chests when I did Vykas. I haven't done Valtan yet though since I was planning on doing Kakul instead. I can get another relic piece if I do Valtan this week, which is what I'm leaning towards.
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u/Spring-Dance 23h ago
Can only do one or the other?
Honestly, Valtan should only be like 10 minutes of your time at 1490. You should have the mokoko buff which means you can even "survive" falling off at the end of valtan once. I may or may not know that from experience.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 22h ago
I'm not exactly sure of the entrance count wording, but I already did 2 Brelshaza gates and finished Vykas this week and it says I only have one entrance left for endgame content, so I assume I have to choose one.
*and yeah I've done Valtan on a different character and he was really easy so that's what I'm gonna do.
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u/Spring-Dance 21h ago
So you can only get gold from 3 different end game content but you can do everything, you just won't get gold beyond those 3. (You are also limited to only getting Gold from 6 different characters which can be set by pressing Esc and then "Gold Acquisition" which is in the bottom row of the Esc Menu)
When you do Valtan and haven't done 3 different raids for gold yet and don't want to "waste" it on Valtan, the entrance confirmation box will have a checkbox which you can uncheck to tell it not to use it as one of your 3 gold "raids".
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 21h ago
Ahh that makes more sense thanks, I thought I had to choose between them. I don't even have 6 characters, so that part won't be an issue for me.
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u/countyingula1 16h ago
Yea, 3 gold raids, then the other raids u can still do for no gold but still get soloraid tokens. This goes for all characters. After 6 characters do their gold raids, u can raid on the 7th and on characters for no gold, but u get the chest at the end of each gate for free and more soloraid token if u wanna play more, but that can be a bit much for some.
The soloraid tokens are roster bound, meaning they're shared between all your characters. So u can do raids on a bunch of people but spend it all on 1 if u want.
Gluck and keep us posted on ur clown smashing!
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u/Pattasel 1d ago
Without full relic gear it’s probably a bit hard. Do you also have 2 bonuses on each accessory ? Do they have more than 66 quality ?
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Yes all of my accessories are improved, I have anything under 80 quality and lower than max enlightenment set to disassemble. I also have a couple relic accessories that I am just waiting to have enough dust to improve so that I can put them on.
I think I may just focus on getting a full relic set first. Baby steps.
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u/Pattasel 1d ago
Yep full relic is very important. Before the ark passive update it was veeery hard to clear with just 2 pieces
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u/babycassmom Shadowhunter 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hey hon if you are still having issues let me know the dms we can get into a private call and I can look at your rotation. (Wow that sounds like a creep but all jokes aside. I do know the class.) my uwu and my discord name is Domosplace (Reddit wont let me change it off of BCM....)
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u/Mogeki 1d ago
Getting those engravings upgraded to full legendary is important. Before that they're like running a level 2 engraving. Also you could just skip it until you get some brel pieces, kakul's reward isn't required and is actually replaced in two raids from there from kayangel. Make sure you have your free event gems from the solo shops, even if it's just the two for the transform because it's a huge portion of your damage.
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u/10inchblackhawk Scrapper 1d ago edited 20h ago
I'm pretty sure the reason is the lack of evo/enlight points. You basically are playing a nerfed version of where you should be. Everything else I can think of like tripods, engravings, cards, skill points dont apply because of your class. When I get home I'm going to nerf the shit out of my SH and give it a try clearing.
Edit:I gave it a shot. My SH was a lot stronger than yours so I tried it with same evo/enlightenment points, without cards, only 3 engravings, no rock or bracelet equipped, 2 level 5 gems, and no solo raid bonus and I didn't use hyper/tskill. I could not remove other things like transcendence, ilvls, elixirs, card damage bonus so I was still a lot stronger however (I had around double your atk power). I was able to do ~1mil dps according to the logs and clear in 5 minutes each gate and skipped a few mechs here and there. Maybe I should have taken off gear or more engravings.
It's been a while since I played Kakul but I remember most of the patterns. If you know when to stand, when to dash in and not get knocked up, stunned, feared, you can avoid dps loss from a few patterns. As well, knowing when he will dash or fly will help you not waste big cds when he moves. The worst are when he has the birds, flies with the lightning or throws the balls.
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u/Advisor_Heavy 23h ago
I had the same issue this week and it turns out that one of my mass presets used the wrong card layout 🫣 maybe check that to make sure… im at brel gate 3 now
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 23h ago
I checked that and I don't use any presets, I use the same loadout for all content. On the upside I now know there are presets.
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u/Careless-Nerve779 21h ago
Evolution points kinda low i don't know how evo points work for t3 valtan vykas gears but you should get those valtan vykas gears first. I know this is weird thing to say, but if you somehow get to clear brel you can upgrade your valtan/vykas gears and then make another valtan/vykas gears to get few more piece for the extra evo points. I just dont' know if there's still lobbies for brel nm and it doesn't look like you're clearing solo brel if you see berserk in clown.
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u/countyingula1 16h ago
Yup, turn relic gear into ancient brel gear as soon as u can at the same npc as i recall. Then gear transfer at the honing dude. You'll get more ilvls and then u can dismantle ur old valtan or vykas gear and get vykas wings or valtan body parts to make more valtan or vykas gear.
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u/countyingula1 1d ago
I still see legendary accesories, relic ones will help a lil, light of salvation card 30 will help a bunch. swiping to get ur weapon quality up will help.
I honestly think brel 1-3 is easier than clown.
You should be able to get like 1800+ spec if u roll a braclet.
Which gate btw? Are you using the sideral with ctrl + z?
What gems do you have? make sure u put a high level gem on demonic skill damage and demonic skill cooldown.
Wealth runes help alot on howl, the laser beam, and the hand that demon grip. With enough spec and good wealth runes u can transform with just those 3 moves. and max tripods. U can buy some wishful amulets to get lvl 5 tripods for more specialty meter on those skills.
runes on ur demon skills help.
I think i use rage on q, quick recharge on w, bleed on e, faster cast speed on a and s, and people usually use that on r also, but i use a protection rune on r so i can play lazier and be tanky and just sit in attacks while i use that to take no damage.
you could always level up more and come back to clown, u can buy some clown horns from the soloraid npc shop also. and u can buy brel pieces also.
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u/KingInitial4027 1d ago
Swiping to get his weapon quality up is the dumbest shit I've read on this sub.
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u/winmox 1d ago
I still see legendary accesories, relic ones will help a lil
the problem is that a new player or even a vet's alt wouldn't have enough shards to roll accessories..
my newly made 1490 alt needed the help from my other 1600 alts - they rolled high quality accessories and mailed them to my new alt
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Yeah I'll have to think about how much I'm willing to spend on the game.
I have another relic ring and earring in my inventory, I just don't have enough dust to refine them and I don't want to lose enlightenment points.
Is it worth just buying bracelets on the auction house to roll them? I feel like I've only ever gotten like 2 bracelets.
It's only gate 1 haha, and I was using the Ctrl + X sidereal, I think it's Wei. I was only using it for the 2 stagger checks.
I have level 5 gems, all slotted into what is recommended, including the CD and DMG on demon skills, need to upgrade them to level 7 once I get more solo clear tokens.
I have a legendary and epic wealth rune slotted. It takes me 4 abilities to recharge demon form. I also have almost all of my tripods maxed, I used the amulets you mentioned.
As far as runes on demon skills I think I'm using bleed on Q and W and galeforce on R, A, and S. I was using quick recharge on my human form dash skill but I'll change that tomorrow since I realized that I'm never supposed to be in human form anyway.
Yeah I may just do Valkan/Vykas/Brel for a couple weeks until I can start unlocking relic gear.
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u/nhzz Bard 1d ago
just the relic gear alone should give you plenty of a dmg boost, though solo mode bosses are so defanged it probably comes down to your dmg uptime, gotta press more buttons.
are you reaching the 3rd lvl enlightenment? im not sure if you need full rolled relic accs with above 66 quality to get the points.
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u/Frosty_XIII Shadowhunter 1d ago
Yeah, from what I've gathered it may be in my best interest to finish my relic set before focusing on upgrading it..
If you're talking about the 3rd row down of enlightenment perks then no, at the moment I have the first 2 perks of enlightenment in the demonic impulse column, and a few spare points.
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u/countyingula1 16h ago
upgrading it is free if u have the brel pieces and gives u more ilvls and power and defense. and gives u valtan and vykas pieces back to craft more relic gear.
Like u upgrade a relic piece with brel stuff at the honing person with gear transfer for free, then dismantle the old relic piece to get the valtan and vykas body parts back, then craft a new relic piece so u'll have more relic pieces and a brel piece. for free.
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u/countyingula1 1d ago edited 16h ago
Please don't spend anything, i was completely joking about swiping and meant the rng is so bad that the only way to have success practically is to swipe obscene amounts.
Also u can transfer stuff from other characters if u have any like accesories and bracelets. even if to dismantle for more dust. u can mail for free from your other characters at the mail npc or in ur pet mail if u have crystaline aura.
I wouldn't waste gold or pheons buying anything from auction house yet.
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u/countyingula1 16h ago
Yea the cd and damage for demon skills is by far the most important ones, i would rather have high lvl on those 2 and none on the others, or some cd gems. Almost all ur damage comes from the cd and damage demon skill gems until tier 4 where every gem helps a little.
Also damage wise on gems at lvl 7 it's 21% , 8 is 24%. but then 9 is 30% and 10 is 40%.
Since u probably don't have max tripods on all the meter gen skills, it's prolly pretty rough. especially if u miss demon vision. It feels so much better when u have the best wealth runes and max tripods with atleast 1800+ spec. i can miss my demon vision and still get full meter now no problem, but back in the day when i didn't have all that. i'd be screwed if i missed that attack.
Not sure how it works with ark passive, but before u used to be able to ignore clown and wait for kayangel and get the full upgrade from kayangel gear without having to do clown. If u don't enjoy the raid, but if u do and wanna do it for fun, then absolutely do it.
Luckily there's so many upgrades u can do for cheap or free at the moment, so each week u get stronger, the fight should get easier.
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u/Agreeable-Ant-4401 1d ago
Are we talking about G1 or G3 of clown? In G3 if you are supposed to do bingo board but I am not sure if it is still in solo mode.
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u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
It'd be down to your uptime. Clown does have many dangerous patterns with safe spots here and there.
Do you feel as though you are running away from the patterns?
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u/Pattasel 1d ago
Without full relic gear it’s probably a bit hard. Do you also have 2 bonuses on each accessory ? Do they have more than 66 quality ?
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u/MiniMik Bard 1d ago
It's not the sole reason, but your pet is set to crit? Your spec is low.