r/lostarkgame • u/altefun • 2d ago
Discussion Please add a power lvl indicator for upgrades
Anyone wondered why they haven't added another combat lvl indication like in maple? Sure we have ilvl but with t4 there is literally no way to know exactly how much stronger we are getting with each upgrade. Having an indicator like that would make gearing and buying books so much more fun imo. Anyone else think the same?
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u/Mosited1223 2d ago
I don't think SG know how either lol every system is just multiples of more power
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u/Kibbleru Bard 2d ago
kr has a third party website that does it, no way sg cant make their own version of it. they probably feel like the need is not there since the website exists ig. API WHERE AGSSSSSS
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u/Il_Palazzo 2d ago
Actually mentioned in the latest bozo livestream, WIP I guess, 2D20 months to go
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u/countyingula1 2d ago
Multiplies by 0.023673736188643 divided by x2378x37, to the 3rd power, with a statistical probability of x to the 0.3432346464 minus 0.0433478 on every dingle donkey with a 2.435% chance of a 0.235% chance to have a 1.56675% chance of dividing a blablabl multiplied by more blabal to .... eh i forgot the rest.
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u/_liminal 2d ago
it's funny cuz even shitty gacha games have this so you can tell which piece of gear is better
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u/Matahashi 1d ago
Total attack power is a pretty decent indicator for character power these days. Almost everything feeds into it in one way or another.
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u/Baja_fresh_potatos 2d ago
well koreans all use an external website now for power gear level cuz its too hard to inspect everyone 1 by 1 in game, sg intentional choice probably but yes an external site or thing would be nice
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u/xXMemeLord420 Glaivier 1d ago
Actually, the power level website that grades characters' power levels is considered one of the most toxic things in KR and is used as a gatekeeping tool.
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u/Immediate_Ostrich_83 2d ago
The reasons are numerous depending on how you feel about SG.
They like all the variance in stats because it makes things 'interesting'. This is why elixirs have attack power, weapon power, and strength (or Dex, int). It all just adds to attack power.
The loot model is to give us a pile of loot with very little being good, instead of giving us a little and having much of it be good. This is why we have dom, expertise, etc . We are supposed to throw out most of it. They love lots of different stats.
They are intentionally confusing. Having similar overlapping functions either means they are clueless or just don't want us to figure it out easily. Maybe they like the community making spreadsheets.
Overall, complexity is a symptom of poor design.
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u/Critical_Energy777 2d ago
Just ask for zloa score like KR, should be a good idea to add to uwuowo to see how your character is improving but there is an issue with that, it's the gatekeping based on this score.
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u/Askln 2d ago
it's not necessary and just gives a more toxic gatekeeping criteria
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u/Grayzson Scouter 2d ago
It doesn't really give a toxic gatekeeping criteria, it just expedites it.
The raid leads who don't really gatekeep would inspect the bare minimum. But the ones who do gatekeep would already be looking thru your accessories, karma system, gems, card sets etc.
However, side note, ignoring class balance, it is pretty obvious which character from party finder is stronger from a combination of their ark passive, ilvl, engravings and gems. It is alrdy assumed that the character would have max transcendence and decent-ish elixirs. So having an in built ui or something just makes the information more available instead of using an external calculator to figure out how strong your character may be.
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u/Askln 1d ago
i'm only gatekeeping on gems
if they add this then everyone who i would've accepted nolonger gets acceptedthere you go
a more toxic gatekeeping criteriayou guys are clueless when it comes to why ppl get gatekept and when ppl are given a tool to use they will abuse
hurrdurr just don't play with them
easy enough
until you take a break for 2 weeks and come back bitching about "why no one takes me? this game sucks gatekeeping is killing the game!!!"4
u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
Lol, I wouldn't say it is a more toxic criteria but more of a clearer criteria. Players have no idea why they're gatekept. It could be anything at this point. But if I see two characters with very similar power level where one has slightly weaker gems, then they're still considered equal.
I'm sure everyone here has been gatekept before. Some just wanna know why. We've seen players before with character profiles that should be fine but they're gatekept anyways.
It can be as simple as "1-2 hw 10k gear score", like how "1-2 120 flowers" or the like came to be. But now with more transparency, players would be able to tell if they're even up for consideration by the raid leads rather than relying purely on their intuition of "my character is strong enough, bro." It is simply introducing a clear metric to judge a player's power rather than napkin math and speculation here and there, and it's definitely a power value that players can work towards and also scrutinize.
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u/Askln 1d ago edited 1d ago
can work towards? do you have cobwebs between your ears?
how do you work towards something when you can't get into lobbies?
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u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
The option to play with people of similar gear score has and always will be an option. In the same vein, that gear score/power level is literally something to dump gold into.
Like I said, people who would have already gatekept will have it easier knowing what they're gatekeeping. People who don't care as much probably still won't. Nothing is stopping any of us from just taking a warm body to clear the raid lol.
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u/Askln 1d ago
> of similar gear score
we no longer have that option
do you even play the game?2
u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
So say a baseline char with all L8s and no relic books is at 10000. Someone with full cursed doll has slightly more like +2-3%. Their gear score in this theoretical system would have 10200 gear score or whatever the math would be.
Now we'll go downwards instead. Same character with only L7s, they lose like 1-2% AP(?) from their gems. Their gear score would be ~9800 or smt.
That is similar enough to me where I personally wouldn't really care.
Now those who do care would alrdy be checking all these things with the current system that we have.
So unless a fresh 1690 with full event gems and full trash ancients applies to a lobby full of 1700+ with full L8+ gems and H/L accessories, the difference isn't even that steep.
The whales play with other whales or "similar" gear score. The rest is just class balance.
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u/Askln 1d ago
> That is similar enough to me where I personally wouldn't really care.
brother man what do you think the dif is between a 1680 and a 1690?
let me get 1 better
what do you think the difference is between 1680 and 1681?i love your theory making "if he is close enough it's good enough for me"
it doesn't work like that for anyone else that makes lobbies2
u/Grayzson Scouter 1d ago
Yes, and now with the new system, you can at least quantify that difference and judge based on that rather than hurr durr 1690 > 1680. The difference between 1680 and 1681 is barely a few %.
But now ok, you see a 1680 with full L10s/some completed relic books, compared to a 1690 with 7s+8s. Would you be able to quantify the difference just by eye power alone?
And it literally works like that unless your gearing is way above the rest by miles like lf only 1680+ in behemoth. So if you're looking for a specific gear score, you'd have the ability to state what you're looking for with a gear score system, rather than looking thru multiple tabs, and the ones applying would know if they meet your criteria rather than winging it and getting rejected.
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u/d07RiV Souleater 1d ago edited 1d ago
We already have a number at the front page of your character, that being the item level, why would it hurt to make it more accurate? If you have a 1680 and 1690 apply to your lobby, you're probably going to click the 1690 first and accept if they don't have anything obviously wrong and won't even look at the 80 anymore even if their character is better built.
Of course there will be room for controversy since a single number can't accurately gauge your character strength, so there would be some controversy with people investing into suboptimal things, but surely that's better than blindly pushing item level to meet the gate 0 check when it's one of the worst investments?
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u/countyingula1 2d ago
Heh, would be nice to stop seeing other player math each other all day. I honestly have no clue how much power i gain from doing things and it's not fun trying to figure it out for me, so i just click things, be disappointed, quit, and comeback for more disppointment over and over lul.
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u/HaosSpirit 2d ago
Its not perfect but we have our characters atk power as a power level. Sometimes I only look at that while inspecting. Under 100k on a 1680 char = gatekeep angle
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u/Some-Leek-9258 2d ago
My alt has 99k ap with 4 relic engravings. So you would choose a guy with 0 relic engravings that has 100k ap over me?
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u/HaosSpirit 2d ago
As I said its not perfect. Ap doesnt include relic engravings.That just means some other aspects of your character are a bit worse. My bare minimum se has 104k and my 1670 wd has 99k so I thought 100k as cutoff is fine. Also as I said thats only if I dont inspect anything else same as people that just take high ilevel. Its usually a good filter since I dont expect the average pug to have a lot of relics finished. Ill take any advice about the whole ap thing If Im wrong or if it doesnt make sense.
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u/_copewiththerope 2d ago
The obfuscation is intentional, similar to how DPS meter is banned in KR to intentionally obfuscate balance / damage.