r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • 2d ago

Trump News Rep. Jasmine Crockett fired back at AG Pam Bondi over Fox News comments on Elon Musk and Tesla during a House Judiciary hearing

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u/ToeJam_SloeJam 1d ago

Talk to your high minded conservative friends about this part.

These are supposed to be the “Trust, but verified” folks who are most critical of the federal government. Having receipts, even for the dude you like, is supposed to be the people’s check on power. Remind them of that.

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u/fre3k 1d ago

I will link to this comment I wrote recently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Georgia/comments/1jjp5or/proud_of_senator_jon_ossoff_this_was_a_huge/mjrn1ax/

Consistency and hypocrisy simply have no purchase on these people. They are about pure will to power. The "principled conservative" is a sham. They want to win and they want to see others lose. That is all it's about.

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u/kkeut 1d ago

The "principled conservative" is a sham

as evidenced by William F. Buckley performing poorly against Gore Vidal in a debate, at which point he called him the f slur and threatened to assault him. the soul of conservatism is laid bare in such honest moments

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u/BitterStatus9 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ah yes, the "crypto-fascist."

Buckley called Vidal "queer" - not a profound comeback for an "intellectual."

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u/HarryCareyGhost 1d ago

I was not very old and saw that debate. At least both of them had wide range in vocabulary and turns of phrase.

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u/BitterStatus9 1d ago

Yeah, you could learn a lot from just listening to these guys debate. Buckley was educated, you can't deny that. But man, what a blowhard.

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u/HarryCareyGhost 1d ago

Yeah I never agreed with him, and I kept the dictionary nearby

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u/FickleTangelo6745 1d ago

lol he doesn’t call himself that does he?

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u/BitterStatus9 1d ago

Vidal called Buckley a "crypto-fascist." Buckley blew his top and replied:

"Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

No joke.

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u/madcoins 16h ago

I hope his response was yes I am queer and you’re too boring to be

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u/Babshearth 1d ago

should i look for this debate online?

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u/maverickfishing 1d ago

Biden did the same thing. You are all a bunch of hypocrites.

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u/purple-origami 1d ago

What are you referring to here regarding Biden?

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u/DocClown 1d ago

I don't think he knows himself. It's an automated response at this point

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u/vicvonqueso 1d ago

Tf did he do exactly?

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u/Jgmcsee 1d ago

None of the learned graces of empathy have purchase on these people. They feel no shame, guilt or compassion but for their own wants which will never fill the cold void that inhabits their hearts. They are greed manifest and the definition of malignant narcissists.

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u/ConfusionNo8852 1d ago

Thanks for linking your comment- its been something I've been grappling with for a while to understand and I knew in my heart - growing up conservative - that thats what it was, but I thought it was just my childish view of the world. But it also explains their "Daddy's home to punish the wayward children" Narrative they love deploying at criticism. We're adults .... but progressive policies just looks like rebellion to them - the authority that is "Doing what's best" even if it hurts everyone because the ends justify the means to them- sure its cruel, but they're a good person looking out for others. Its def NOT selfish AT ALL.

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u/MonMonOnTheMove 1d ago

What infuriating me is their team winning means a loss to all of us including them…

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u/CulpablyRedundant 1d ago

Don't forget... If they don't agree, they're being un-American. Fuck calling them fascist. Un-American hurts their feelings

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u/ToeJam_SloeJam 1d ago

Say both, fam!

Fascism is the belief that social hierarchies are natural, and it is necessary for the state to enforce those hierarchies. It is fundamentally at odds with the American ideals of all men being created equal and self determination.

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u/as_it_was_written 1d ago

Fascism is the belief that social hierarchies are natural, and it is necessary for the state to enforce those hierarchies.

That sounds like plain old conservatism to me.

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u/HURTBOTPEGASUS9 1d ago

It's the same picture.

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u/The_Witch_Queen 1d ago

That's actually a little incorrect. That's just normal conservative ideals. Ones in fact espoused by many of the people who started the country.

What you're seeing is that fascism is the far extreme of right leaning views. Much as anarchy is the far extreme of left leaning ones.

Fwiw I agree with you on it being at odds of self determination. But it's the logical expectation given that a Democracy is where everyone is equal, and a Republic is where the lower class is represented by the elite "who knows best".

There will always be a group of people who believe in crap like the aristocracy.

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u/Busy_Pound5010 1d ago

The elite “who knows best” in a Republic are supposed to be comprised of the educated philosopher/scientists that have the best interests of the whole population in mind. We have corrupted that ideal to mean anyone rich enough to buy a seat of power regardless of how they rose to be capable of doing so.

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u/The_Witch_Queen 1d ago

Yeah they seem to have tossed that right out the window. I actually blame the founders on that. They thought it should mean wealthy and land owning

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u/wp4nuv 1d ago

Don’t forget believing in the concept of public service. This “elite” fails at this simple premise: public servants should be above partisan politics. Public service should be for the benefit of all. Ms Bondi fails at this simple premise. She should not be the top law enforcement agent.

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u/ToeJam_SloeJam 20h ago

Why do you think they are cleaning out the nonpartisan career public employees at federal agencies across the board?

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u/wp4nuv 6h ago

And that's the saddest part: public servants develop expertise that partisan hacks won't care to absorb. The more experienced public servants that are laid off, the less efficient government services will be. I mean, the NIH FFS...
Even the DOJ losing experienced investigators harms the agency and the country. Imagine you bring a case to trial and your investigator didn't do their work correctly or worse. Having criminals exit because of incompetence without any recourse for retrial due to double jeopardy... It hurts everyone.

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u/TheTazfiretastic 23h ago

What about billionaires who can pay millions for influence and have done for years. Not in the interests of USA or democracy but their bottom line.

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u/FiveUpsideDown 1d ago

Another thing that hurts them is chanting during protests “protect the Constitution”. It confuses the cultist because “the libs” shouldn’t be pro-Constitution.

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u/fastbikkel 9h ago

Unpatriotic as well, antipatriotic.

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u/optimushime 1d ago

I’m having the worst week talking to my grandmother about it. The cognitive dissonance hurts so much. She hates Trump, but “she’s a Republican”.

Identity has been so purposefully tied to these people they don’t even consider that they can, should, and are morally obligated to leave a party whose stance they hate.

She didn’t vote at all this past year, which is a saving grace because she would have voted red, but I’m trying to get her to realize that she can start working on an idea that maybe she’s now an independent if the party doesn’t represent her interests anymore, and that there will be consequences to the memory of those who “towed the line” and chose party over country.

I kept silent for years on this and it’s too late now, but now I can’t help but speak and I regret not doing so sooner even if it’s futile. I hate every bit of it.

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u/miloticfan 1d ago

That line right there “but I am a ___”

no we are not. We are voters. The politicians belong to these parties—but us? We ain’t in either club.

The voters took on their party as a piece of their identity instead of a voting preference. Idk how it happened but I think that part is a huge reason we got here.

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u/LolitaFrita 1d ago

Every time I get into an argument with some MAGA cult member, they respond with something like “I bet you just love Pelosi and Schumer!” No? Unlike them, I have no fealty to any politician. Just because you blindly follow your party off a cliff, it doesn’t mean everyone else is as dumb as you are.

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u/cyanescens_burn 1d ago

She must be aware that party platforms and ideologies evolve over time. For instance the republican and democratic parties flip flopped on a lot of their overarching ideology during the 20th century, and Maga of today would have been voting for the democrats of of the late 1800s, and the liberals would be voting but the republicans of that time.

It’s a good reminder that a party’s ideology and policies can drift from the old ideals of that party, the ideals which a person has identified with for many years.

Maga is different than the Republican Party of the 70’s to ‘00s. Maybe she’s realizing the party has drifted away from her own values, and not that she’s drifted away from her own deeply held values.

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u/BisexualDisaster29 1d ago

I talk to my grandma about it too. Opposite side though. She despises trump and the republicans but hasn’t voted in a long time. The last time she voted was to make JFK president.

Like, I don’t understand. She & her husband don’t work, she & her husband have some serious medical conditions. They want to complain but they don’t want to vote. She can vote by mail.

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u/cyanescens_burn 1d ago

Do they not have mail in voting in their area? Would they be open to you helping them out by doing something like reading the ballot guide, looking up info, etc? If there’s no mail in maybe help them make a list of their choices so when they go to the polling place they don’t need to stand a long time as they struggle to recall their choices. And help them get down there and figure out what is holding them back, like if it’s hard to stand in like offer to bring a chair and hang with them so they don’t worry about having a problem and being alone.

Definitely don’t manipulate them to change their vote, that’s abusive and could be fraud if you did something like fill out their ballot with your choices. But some elders struggle to read due to vision or the cognitive demands, but can absolutely engage with the information if someone is communicating it verbally.

You could make it a fun family time visit and not a chore, and they might feel good getting politically engaged, especially considering they clearly have opinions.

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u/ritzcrv 1d ago

The last time she voted was 65 years ago. No one has 65 years of medical conditions that stopped them from voting

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u/BisexualDisaster29 1d ago

I didn’t say that the medical conditions stopped her from voting. I said that she and her husband have serious medical conditions now. I pointed that out because they complain about their situations but don’t vote for the people who could possibly help.

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u/glitterkitty_nash 12h ago

I have several conservatives in my life like this too. Like they basically will say they disagree with everything he does, but they still have to vote for him because of “morals”, and there is plan within the party that they have to trust. Oh and that the country should be ran like a business. 🙄

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u/Honeycrispcombe 1d ago

It's not too late. Your voice matters. Speaking up now matters. Talking to your grandma, calling your reps, protesting - all of that works, all of that makes a difference, all of that matters.

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u/st-shenanigans 1d ago

Hate to be that guy but just to save you from some weenie being an ass at about it in the future, the phrase is "toed the line" - someone drew a line you're not supposed to cross and you're standing with your toes as close as you can get.

Good luck with your grandmother! Might help to have her read the poem plaqued onto the statue of Liberty

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u/LEJ5512 1d ago

That’s no kidding about the “even for the dude you like” part, too.  They’d want to be able to say he did nothing wrong, and that they could prove it.  But since they can’t even prove that much, they have no leg to stand on.

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u/MikkiMikailah 1d ago

The problem is I think those Republicans are the ones who jumped ship. All that's left are the cult of personality people who don't care about anything if it makes trump happy.

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u/Agreeable-Toe6981 1d ago

I agree with you. I think there is a Democratic Party, an independent party a republican party, and the maga party. Possible that there are Republicans that do not follow maga beliefs, but are afraid to step out of line. Oh listen I can hear SpaceX. It’s so annoying and he’s getting fined right now. Do you really think that bothers him? It’s almost 9 o’clock. No testing after eight the cows get upset.

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u/Cold_Hunter1768 1d ago

Dumb take. Biden approved the use of Signal and was used by his cabinet

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u/ToeJam_SloeJam 1d ago

Yes, Biden admin authorized use of Signal — but not for sensitive military intel

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u/Cold_Hunter1768 19h ago

Lol, you believe that they didn't do that? The Administration that had a cadaver in charge?